18 Sep 2016 23:28:49
Anyone else think it's time for Wallace and McKay to come out the team for a couple of weeks to give a bit of freshness down the left hand side?
19 Sep 2016 08:31:52
would play ohalloran on the left with waghorn on the right.
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18 Sep 2016 23:02:00
General discussion lads, how do you all feel about the potential new criteria Uefa are trying to push through for to qualify for the Champions league?
The big leagues (England, Spain, Germany and Italy) getting 4 automatic entries.
Personally, I'm raging about the whole thing. The champions league. yet 12 out of 16 automatic entries are not champions of their domestic leagues.
Uefa are obviously keen to maintain relations with the likes of Barca, Madrid, Munich, Man Utd etc but it's to the deprement of clubs like Celtic, Benfica, Ajax. all former winners of the competition. I truly believe Uefa are terrified that the big clubs will break away and form their own exclusive competition backed with the TV companies and sponsors.
Would this call for the discussion of a North Atlantic league again if the big clubs do break away? Could the likes of ourselves, Celtic, Ajax. Psv, Benfica, Sporting and Porto etc all be excluded from the CL as a result of lack of opportunities to qualify?
19 Sep 2016 03:21:25
J
We are so far away from Champions League we should not worry about this.
Celtic are a uefa cup team and gave us a sore botty
We will not be in Champions leauge with current format or new for at least 10 years ( bearing minor miracle)
Lets focus on the SPL where in time we can have success.
A love to dream but a feel too much pressure is put on the boys by John Lennons, a do it maself some times lol.
19 Sep 2016 05:14:57
Good post mate its something that I have been thinking about lately and my main worry is that in a couple of years all going well we are strong enough to take the title and the European place that goes with it will there even been a competition for us to enter in my opinion money talks and the big leagues will win the day and the rest of us will be playing in a mediocre euro cup with little TV/ sponsorship financial backing! Money is ruining football!
19 Sep 2016 08:32:50
I wouldn't say celtic are a Europa league team, they are half descent and a lot better than some of the teams in the group stages this year.
19 Sep 2016 09:18:55
Blueblood, don't worry sir I'm not delusional, I know we're nowhere near the champions league, like I said it's purely a general discussion. As much as it pains me to see our rivals rubbing shoulders with the likes of Barcelona and City, it's their right as league champions to be there. With Uefa and the potential new criteria qualification will be tougher than ever, more qualifiers against tougher opposition, missing out will diminish clubs financially and from there it'll be a vicious cycle.
Nic, your spot on mate. The smaller European leagues will be neglected whilst the big boys call the shots. For me if the champions league becomes a closed shop then there's real cause for a break away European league.
19 Sep 2016 10:36:01
IT hasn't been the champions league for years now, I'm sorry but Celtic shouldn't have to qualify, they should be there for being champions of Scotland, it's a joke, it's all about more money for the big leagues and hee-haw for the rest.
18 Sep 2016 21:15:39
Some good posts tonight re the expectations for us in our first season back in spl. I believe we will improve year in year out, however it will still be another few years before we are challenging . So let's stop wanting the manager sacked after 6 games into the season . Ok he's made a few mistakes, however in my opinion he has done far more right than wrong since he joined the club and the fans need to get behind the manager and the players! Then we will see steady improvement and a good run of games where we are winning and winning comfortably.
18 Sep 2016 22:42:16
Let's also not forget that Celtic panicked after we beat them in last season's semi final, it was well documented that Dermot Desmond was enraged by the celebrations from the Rangers hierarchy after we won and as a result went and got Rodgers and subsequently spend big money on Sinclair and snapped up Dembele and Toure who will be on decent money.
For me this was as clear an indication that Celtic knew they were not as far ahead of us as the should have been given our recent troubles. Credit goes to Mark Warburton for that by the way. When the likes of Wanyama, Van Dijk and Forster were being sold for big money it was ringfenced and never really re invested. Delia was an experiment that went wrong for them and honestly I think they lost about 2-3 years in terms of progress. So with all that being said, I actually believe the gap isn't as big as Saturdays result indicated. This season is all about consolidation, top 4 finish would be great with some good results against Aberdeen and Hearts along the way to set us up for a bigger push the following season.
18 Sep 2016 23:27:31
Just listened to joey Barton interview on talk sport and I personally think he has got the club to heart and a few home truths have wound certain players up and I've got loads of respect for MW but I think what he's done to Barton has put more pressure on the club it should of been left on the training grounday. Well said Djab.
19 Sep 2016 09:24:53
Lost about 2-3 years of progress? Where could they progress too? If u can win the league without spending big then why bother? Imo it was sensible of them to do what they done. Aberdeen gave Celtic a bigger challenge last season than we will this season. We have the potential with some good young players, but until they are played in a position they can play in and we change strategy, teams know what to expect and won't even need to scout us before they play us.
18 Sep 2016 21:04:18
I don't want Barton to leave if he's said something very truthful in the dressing room man, i know he's been poor recently but its really annoyin me tbh that we're still in the dark about exactly what was said, there's far too many different storys of what happened, i just want to know the truth and then judge after that.
18 Sep 2016 22:53:30
The one person that wants him to leave is Halliday because he reckons that he will then get the jersey. Does he not realise that Rossiter, Forrester, Crooks, Holt and no doubt more are significantly better players or, being the big Rangers man that he is, will he accept that he is lucky to be a squad player!
19 Sep 2016 08:33:58
none of them bar holt has done anything in a rangers jersey, halliday was a star player this year and deserves far more respect than he is given. every player at ibrox deserves respect.
18 Sep 2016 20:20:47
Right, we all agree that we need to qualify for Europa League but if we did, would this team be good enough to get us into the Group Stages? Realistically there is only one transfer window between now and qualifiers starting (if we get that far) .
18 Sep 2016 21:11:53
There's 2 windows mate.
18 Sep 2016 21:45:51
This team would be destroyed in Europe.
We lack leadership. Our captain is posted missing when we need him. A Butcher, Gough, Greig or Amoruso would have lead us to victory yesterday and, I suspect we would not have drawn against Kilmarnock.
Poor signings were made in the summer and it looks like the manager did not tell guys like Halliday that they needed to up their game to be even squad players in the SPL.
We bought poorly in the summer or rather we signed players that were available. Whether these were Warburton's first choice is unlikely but we will never know because, unlike Barton, he is not likely to go to the press.
King cannot expect his manager to deliver with players that are not fit for purpose!
19 Sep 2016 00:19:54
Not sure who isn't fit for purpose Tom, with exception of keirnan who has let me down I thought he had a chance of being a solid big stopper, I reckon every other player is more than capable of producing in this league! It's upto the gaffer to get them playing as a unit! Would agree however we need a real winner to take on the captains role.
19 Sep 2016 07:54:09
Jack I meant in the sense that qualifying begins so early in the summer that it would be hard to bed players in.
18 Sep 2016 20:16:17
So many clutching at straws on this forum. Panicking. "This needs to happen or x, y, z needs changing".
We're gelling lads. Finding our feet. Getting to grips. The last thing the boys in blue and the gaffer needs is the obscene pressure put on them by us. We're doing ok. We're getting there.
We'll beat Aberdeen next week and the same panic merchants will be on here changing their tunes. I can see us going on lengthy unbeaten run once the lads have gelled. Once they are on the same wavelength.
Man Utd are the prime example. Billion pound club, Argubaly one of best managers in the world, open cheque book and they haven't gelled yet. Beat by Watford today. Haven't played well as at all this season. That's football.
Gers will coasting in a matter of weeks. If it comes January and we're still battling it out in the top six then fair enough, you're entitled to your rants. But right now at this early stage, it's just irrational and not helping our team.
18 Sep 2016 20:41:26
Monty your entire argument is based on we will do this or we will do that. What will you say if Aberdeen win? What's the crack then? Monty, you and other fans on here need to start facing facts. Rangers are not good enough. No point changing manager Rangers need new players so they need investment. Let's see what happens next week before you start talking about unbeaten runs. I think next week will be a 2-2 draw.
18 Sep 2016 20:59:38
So tell me who in our squad isn't good enough to play in spl?
18 Sep 2016 21:07:02
First time post really think team will come good when givin time to gell warbs is working his way through whole club scouting system youth development give him time and we will see where we are in May.
19 Sep 2016 04:14:36
a agree with this post,
we are doing no bad, we were a 3rd divison side a few year ago, now look at us, we even have some people dreaming a europe, would you a accepeted this 4 year ago, ano a woulda.
get behind the boys, we might scrape europa and can get on our hollibags again.
we will get 7 points from our next 3 games, they will drop a few points jsut needy keep up this momentum boys, we shoot we will score.
18 Sep 2016 19:15:59
It seems everyone underrated the spl! Joey Barton underestimated it
Rangers players have underestimated it
And the fans have underestimated it .
Most realistic fans would be happy with a top 3 finish and a euro spot while others seem to think we are rangers we should win everything! Reality check needed.
I myself will carry on supporting warburton as I believe when the team clicks we will achieve, top 3, euro spot!
Revenue is what is really needed, European football revenue and we need rid of that fat git ( Ashley ) so that we get cash from merchandise!
Be patient fellow bears the good times will return,
18 Sep 2016 20:17:25
Good post G. McK&B., but do you also think MW under-estimated the Spl? Fellow Bears, agree if you think he did, and is out of his depth and cannot turn things around, OR disagree if you think he will find his feet and turn things around.
18 Sep 2016 20:20:39
Totally agree Greig. Think we'll easily take second tho. The other teams are too inconsistent to mount a proper challenge. They'll crumble like always.
Can see us grabbing a cup win this year too once the lads play as a unit. Can see us destroying teams once a few of the attackers find the net and grow in confidence. Looking forward to Aberdeen game. My prediction is a 3-2 win in an exciting battle. Can't wait.
18 Sep 2016 20:43:27
Monty can you send me whatever you are smokin! Must be great stuff. Keep some in your pipe for after the Aberdeen game!
18 Sep 2016 18:11:50
Domestically, played five League Cup games and six Premiership games with one defeat. I know that we are all disappointed with the start in the league but given new players bedding in, injuries, stepping up a level and so forth, one defeat in 11 games ain't bad. With Rossiter, Crooks, Windass, Holt and Waghorn fully fit we'll be there or there about. Other mob drew at Inverness today so are far from invincible.
18 Sep 2016 18:50:59
Well said DOIGER.
18 Sep 2016 18:52:20
Nobody thinks there invincible but they can drop as many points as they want because we've not got the team to capitalize.
18 Sep 2016 18:57:40
I don't get this "all the new players bedding in" stuff. Most of the players starting the games are the same as last season.
18 Sep 2016 19:27:16
Last year we blew away every SPFL team we played except St Johnstone (even that game we bossed possession and stole the chief architect of our downfall) . We then added 11 supposed better players yet have struggled in every game back in the top league. That's why people are worried, we've spent serious cash (for a team in our position) but have regressed. I think we would be sitting top of the league right now if the manger signed 2 quality CB's to go with Rossiter, Windass, Crooks and Garner. We missed a trick which is the most annoying thing.
18 Sep 2016 19:51:08
Recbob,
Is a 2-1 win after a goalless draw first leg against Kilmarnock in the cup blowing them away?
18 Sep 2016 21:28:02
Biffo316, Do you not see anything positive in our club at all, ever?
18 Sep 2016 17:47:57
Really like Warburton and there's no chance he's leaving anytime soon.
But if fans think he'll keep his job until the end of the season if we keep playing like this and getting the results we've been getting, they are very wrong.
No way the fans, right or wrong, will give Warburton any leeway just because of the style of football we play.
If we're playing like this and getting these type of poor results come January, Warburton more than anyone else will know, it's no where near acceptable.
18 Sep 2016 18:09:43
Just read what Sutton said about the gaffer well Chris we all know you are a cock and this confirms that belief more I hate pundits like him and Stewart passing judgement when neither were good players and they certainly do not cut it as managers time they shut their mouths.
18 Sep 2016 18:17:13
How any fan on here can say we are not producing .
Eleven new players in, and some people expect results straight away because WE are Glasgow Rangers .
We have came from a dark place and on the way up and still getting criticised, before anyone on here comes on and slate me, then please do it in three months time when MW has his settled team, then I will put my hands up and say I was wrong .
Top three finish and Europe is our aim and hopefully a result in one of the cups ( personal opinion )
18 Sep 2016 18:46:44
Brian p when we got unfairly relegated everyone of us said we'd be back challenging in no time, it's shameful how many people changing there tunes! You say 11 new signings, you think we honestly needed them! I would have took 5 quality signings over what we have! The signing policy has been a total shambles! 2 decent signings so far! The board must act we're the only club in world who receives loans from our board it's embarrassing! Let's not forget these guys were all there when we got relegated in the first place! We'll never challenge Celtic again if there is not vast investment!
{Ed001's Note - actually most clubs take loans from their board. It is just that they are usually converted into equity in time. It would be a much shorter list to name those who have not had loans from the board.}
18 Sep 2016 18:40:09
Gary75, Sutton won the EPL with at the time the best strike partnership at the time. and numerous trophies up here.
18 Sep 2016 19:53:07
Brian p,
Do you think the team is producing having won 2 out of the first 6 games. Scoring 7 and conceding 9?
18 Sep 2016 20:28:13
Brain P, now there's a man with common sense and patience. Same folk chomping at the bit to reply with something negative. Like Brain said, we'll have this discussion Januray. Looking forward to seeing a complete U-turn from these posters.
18 Sep 2016 20:36:06
Agreed Biffo.
Seems as if a decent 3/ 4 of a season in the Championship in Scotland has made this team and manager invulnerable to any criticism whatsoever.
No matter how bad some performances and results have been of late, fans don't want to give the manager any criticism, but will slate individual players left, right and centre.
18 Sep 2016 17:46:48
Like all of us I am disappointed with the start we have made and idenTified the performances are far from what we expected taking into account the new signings. however we need to vine MW a break to find his best 11 and let the new players who have mostly come from a lot smaller clubs get used to the pressure of playing for such a huge club. It's easy.
18 Sep 2016 15:54:22
Anyone know what the pitch invader held up yesterday?
18 Sep 2016 16:47:15
Warburtons P45. Before people start mouthing off i have faith in the management team. Just thought it was a good joke.
18 sep 2016 18:19:53
warburton says he is happy with the performance yesterday. its another 2 points dropped. we now have 9 points from a possible 18. yes he promoted us last season but remember the last 6 games of last season, we scored 19 goals and leaked 21. a wake up call. this season we have regressed. is warburton out of his depth? remember they did not renew his contract at brentford for a reason.
18 Sep 2016 18:34:22
Would love to know what's going through MWs mind, building a new team, sitting fourth in the league after six
games and some people are talking about his replacement, unreal, INSTANT SUCCESS yes we would all love that .
Get behind the team and give them the time they need
and I'm sure we will be fine, Europe is our aim this year, anything else a bonus but I have a good feel about this squad .
18 Sep 2016 18:45:50
Gor before I tell you how warburton and weir didn't stay on at brentford I'll give you the chance to go and find out the story on that, I can assure you its not what you're insinuating and nowt to do with their ability as a management team!
18 Sep 2016 20:17:14
Gor, you are wrong about the brentford and Warbs situation. So so far off mate.
18 Sep 2016 15:00:45
Fellow bears who want warburton replaced as our manager let's cut to the chase here, I've heard derek mciness's name mentioned quite a bit as far as I'm concerned never in a month of sundays, failure big style in england with bristol city and what has he done with aberdeen that's so amazing? Whatt other managers do you guys actually want to replace warburton as our manager, common let's see what names you come up with! For me I 100% stick by our current management team who will imo get it right! Warburton is a better manager than mcinnes hands down.
18 Sep 2016 17:33:14
Think the problem is there's no one cause the board won't at the money! There's plenty out there if the pushed out the boat!
18 Sep 2016 17:26:54
The reason why Celtic went out and got Rodgers was the fact that they identified that Warburton was head and shoulders above any manager in Scotland. If we want to replace him then it needs to be something better! Somehow I don't see Alex Ferguson coming out of retirement and I don't see King spending money bringing in a quality manager from the Continent.
Indeed I don't see King spending money, full stop. If that was on his schedule then we would have strengthened our defence, we would have brought in a guy that could captain the team, (since Wallace is a poor leader), we would have better players than were signed.
Warburton clearly identified that there were a number of positions that we were weak in, defensive midfield in particular where Halliday was clearly not of the quality needed but why Barton was brought in, rather than a younger player has to be solely down to money and King's attempt to placate the fans on the cheap. As we have seen in the past. Iy does not work!
18 Sep 2016 17:38:51
Warburton will work through this and prove his worth in my opinion . Agreed things are not 100% at present, but to make massive changes across the club and entire playing staff it will take some time and patience.
He will get the youth policy right and we will reap the rewards, he has clearly started the process and has recruited coaches who will help him develop young players. Quick fixes of massive cash injections are short sighted and unsustainable, I think we all know that after everything we have been through.
We all want a winning side, and to show the eastenders we are back, however we have to realise that there is no quick fix and replacing the manager would not help anything ie. back to square one! We need to get behind the management and players, the media want us to panic and fight amongst ourselves.
They all love it! Let's show them we are all in it together and we stand as one. Together we are Rangers!
18 Sep 2016 17:39:20
Remember Warburton appeared from no where last time round.
Look at table we are 5th
1) only 2 clubs - the "Thistles" Partick and Inverness have scored less
2) only 2 clubs have conceded more, Hamilton and Inverness
His summer signing have yet to set the "heather on fire" - (taken his time to "bolting the back door" )
He has "not produced" for a while now is it not right that he is being challenged?
How long would you give him?
Bearing in mind he would only give us 2 years - not exactly staying long term particularly as this year (1/ 2 his term) seems to be already written off by all his supporters?
18 Sep 2016 17:41:53
Mcinnes can't beat a poor celtic team but has done a good job at aberdeen. Tommy wright (will probably get pelters for this) would be a better choice imo has st johnstone well organised defensively and won them their first scottish cup. Has top flight experience as manager too.
18 Sep 2016 17:39:24
Warbs15,
What do you base that on about Warburton being better than McInnes? Think McInnes won the league cup and has had 2 second place finishes behind Celtic. Is that not something you would be happy with this season?
18 Sep 2016 17:49:44
I agree w15 we have got to stick with the manager at this stage. Very disappointing start thing I find strange is our signings from the summer and it makes you wonder who is making the signings. I said on here that Niko was asked where he saw himself playing and he said in behind striker. For me that sent alarm bells ringing as warburton was saying something else. Our style last year was quick passing and lots of movement and yet we sign a guy to play as attacking midfielder who seems himself as off the striker and not a midfielder.
With Barton I though it might work because he could give us another option but the evidence so far is that having him and Niko play in midfield means a lack of good pressing and quick passing. Warburton needs to be brave now and for me play haliday, holt, probably windass and gradually bring crooks in. at the minute i'd go for having good honest pros and get back the team spirit we had last year.
18 Sep 2016 18:02:50
Comedy Gold. Brendan Rodgers came to cfc because of MW being head and shoulders above all others? He has won the Petrofac cup and a lower tier title. Over hyped and Found out at a higher level. He's also heading for a nervous breakdown. He will need a tin hat if Aberdeen win next week!
18 Sep 2016 18:07:08
The club is in crisis, only deluded can't see that.
But we can't be changing manager at this point- he needs time and should be judged properly at end of the season.
Anything below third and he has to go.
I hoped like most we had a really top manager when he came in but from fairly early on I have had serious doubts.
The only circumstance we should consider replacing him during season is if we are fighting relegation and there's no possibility of that.
18 Sep 2016 19:05:05
Biffo316,do you not read my posts properly, the answer in how I think warburton is a far better manager than mcinnes is there in black and white in my post, I'll say it once more for your benefit mate, warburton was tremendous with an unfancied brentford and their fans adored him and thought the world of him whereas mcinnes was dire at bristol city fact! Warbs is building our club from grass roots all the way up to the top team which of course takes a bit of time and once he finds his best 11 and our new signings bed in I'm extremely confident we'll be terrific imo, the changes warbs has made behind the scenes I'm told are outstanding and will bear fruits for years and years to come long after he's gone as our manager, even our next manager will undoubtedly reap the rewards of the building blocks warbs is putting in place NOW!
18 Sep 2016 19:59:21
Warbs15,
The fans may have loved him at Brentford but the only person who mattered didn't and there wasn't many other clubs queuing up to take him as their manager. Not say McInnes is a better manager however he has had success in Scotland and I'm sure if we finish 2nd this year you will be pleased.
As for the behind the scenes stuff as you put it what a lot of unproven crap your spouting. Saying stuff like that only means you can't find anything concrete to say about how well or not he is doing.
18 Sep 2016 23:04:11
Biffo, there are many things I agree with you on but even contemplating McInnes as a future manager is not one of them. Celtic has set the standard by appointing Rodgers because they respected what Warburton had brought to the Club. If Warburton is to be replaced at any point in the future then it needs to be with a better manager than Rodgers. Warburton will prove whether he is that man over the next couple of seasons but there are certainly no managers in Scotland at other clubs that are worth even considering!
18 Sep 2016 15:23:38
Our start to the season is even worse than LeGuens. yes that puts the fear of god in me however remember bears Holt is back Waggy is back Windass is starting to show sharpness and Crooks hasn't started a game yet so as far as I'm aware Warbs hasn't yet had the chance to select his best team. When we start to put it together I'm sure we will slowly climb up the league. Am away trip to Aberdeen next week looks daunting but let's get behind the team.
18 Sep 2016 15:44:01
Remember our circumstances are totally different from thee guen reign
Yes we should be doing better but we need to be realistic and not hit all the panic stations 6 league games in. Judge in May.
18 Sep 2016 15:47:58
Fair point, some potentially good players and Rossiter will hopefully soon be back from injury. Unfortunately I don't think that matters will change until we have a captain that can lead by example, that can motivate the players around them and when necessary 'kick ass' on the playing field. Unfortunately Wallace is just not a leader. He deserves considerable respect for staying with the Club during our difficulties but he just isn't a leader and he is struggling with his game now that we are back in the SPL. It will be interesting to see what happens with Barton, while he has been poor I find it difficult to be critical of his comments and those that are living on their past successes a minor league last season need to take a good look at themselves. Personally I am disappointed that action was not also taken against Halliday who appears to be the one that didn't like being told he was crap. Halliday is an ok football player but he is not in the class that Barton can be if he plays the way he did last season when he captained his former club to promotion to the EPL.
18 Sep 2016 15:53:54
People keep saying calm down this is a long term project, we all expected to be challenging for the title this season, this is because of statements made from personnel, now it's 6 games in and it's fine to draw at home to Ross county! Shockin from Rangers fans accepting this. How long should we give it to change Celtic all ready won 6 in a row, so if your happy to wait another 4/ 5 years be my guest!
18 Sep 2016 16:58:10
I think the reality is the money men in Rangers need the league for extra revenue to be honest.
18 Sep 2016 17:33:39
The problem is that King with his bull has given the fans hope of a team that would challenge for the SPL Title. He has talked about front ending funds, spending the children 'inheritance and various other comments that I doubt he had any intention of doing! (either because he doesn't have the money or because he is not stupid enough to waste money in the Scottish League where there is no chance of a return on your capital.
In any event he has, by his words, given the fans a false hope and he needs to find a way of correcting matters before it is too late.
When Lawrence Marlborough inherited the Club from his Grandfather he had a blueprint for success. He made a bold appointment in Souness and he found investment to implement his strategy. If there is a blueprint today then King needs to follow that lead and find the investment to take Rangers forward. Too many of the current players are not good enough to do that and need to be replaced with quality, not quantity.
18 Sep 2016 13:49:44
I do want MW to stay think what he is doing with young players at the club is smart and could be building something but I don't think he is going to get given the time to do so, and it is okay playing entertaining football but we aren't we r trying and it isn't working, don't want to be another Newcastle thinking it's okay to play attractive football an not get anywhere with it, if it means we start picking up points and goals if happily carry on paying to watch them put long balls into the box.
18 Sep 2016 14:48:48
Me to give him a 10 year contract.
18 Sep 2016 15:27:06
Either English is your second language or your personally offering him a ten year deal- as what? Your personal assistant?
18 Sep 2016 15:41:31
Honestger - you're*.
18 Sep 2016 15:46:28
As manager he's doing a fine job.
18 Sep 2016 13:15:28
Any rangers fans who thought we were going to bounce up and win the league right away needs their heed checked. Booing at the end and wanting Warburton out. Screw the nuts. Mon the GERS. Warburtons blue and white army 💪🇬🇧.
18 Sep 2016 14:10:24
Some of us can see the bigger picture and that's where Warburton is failing most.
No evidence of any kind of long term plan or strategy involved with our summer signings. We should have been working to a plan over several transfer Windows to improve the quality in the team. We would have been much better off signing a quality striker and defender than bringing in 11 players. Then perhaps in the next window look at adding quality to the midfield.
For those that say there is no money- how much to do you think Barton, hill, nico and filflop senderos are costing in wages over the season. that's completely ignoring all of kings empty promises.
Both garner and senderos were reactive panic signings, not part of any kind of plan.
Many of Warburton fans point to his philosophy or style- which might have worked to a point in the championship against as Barton put it sh%&t team's in a sh@#t league. However against average team's in an average league it isn't working. Be honest our football in premier league so far has neither been high quality, effective or good to watch.
18 Sep 2016 15:24:16
Answer me this then Liam, what are fans supposed to think when Dave King, Mark Warburton and Kenny Miller all come out publicly and tell the fans we are going to challenge for the league?
Either fans are justified to think we will be challenging or King, Warburton and Miller should shut their mouths and stop talking pish.
18 Sep 2016 16:01:19
Where I am most disappointed is that Warburton only took action against Barton for the bust up on the training ground and not against Halliday, that was also involved and was, to all intent the instigator with his view that we won a league without Barton last season, (forgetting in the process that it was little more than an upmarket pub league) .
Rangers supporter or nor, Halliday is nothing more than a squad player and while Barton is capable of using his game to a higher level, (as was seen last season when he captained his team to the EPL) .
When you have a very weak leader on the football field, as we do with Wallace as captain you lose the drive that is needed when you are struggling. Ask yourself, how many of these games that we have dropped points would we have won with a Souness, a Butcher, a Gough or an Amoruso as captain. We might be playing poorly but it starts with the Captain and unfortunately that is something that Wallace is not.
It might be emotive but in our current position I would make Wallace Club Captain and give Barton the captaincy and tell him, go out there and get me a winning team. I still think we are not short of a decent quality team but until money is spent or some hidden gems appear from the youth set up we want have a great team.
I am 100% with Boss Hogg, King and Miller should keep their mouths shut. Miller is in the twilight of his career while King is too much mouth and not enough action! I am not even convinced that some of the players signed were even Warburton choices but rather were King signings targeted at giving the support 'marquee signings' without spending the money!
18 Sep 2016 13:02:05
watched the game yesterday, In my opinion the manager keeps picking the wrong team, Mckay, Wallace, need to be dropped Forrester must be wondering what he's done wrong, O'halloran needs to start, give him a run of games, mw is the tinker man, when was the last time he picked the same team, He had All close season to sort out the defence, he did not, every team in the league knows how we are going to play, he does nothing to change, tactically naive. I can't see him at Rangers next season, we won't sack him, we don't have the money.
Start looking now for a new manager, we don't want to be left hanging.
18 Sep 2016 16:05:03
The problem we have is that Wallace is not a leader and he never will be. Yet he along with McKay, (who is capable of more) appears to be undroppable. Add to that, Halliday who spits the dummy out when justifiably not in the team and appears to have been supported by Warburton. We have the risk of a manager being dictated to by mediocre players just because they won the Championship. Guys like Halliday would struggle to be in a Souness team, Rangers supporter or not!
18 Sep 2016 12:29:37
Reading all the cries for 442, Derek McInnnes etc on here is painful! First of all it would make no, or little, difference, the players are under-performing as individuals at the moment and it will improve. Secondly, the mentality of some supporters is so short sighted it's incredible. The biggest problem we, and the other clubs have, is the lack of appeal the Scottish game has! This is heavily down to medieval style of coaching and style of play that focuses on physicality rather than technicality! MW is attempting to address this and the bigger picture (academy, ethos etc) . It's what's called a long-term project! People have already forgotten that players like Rossiter, Barton, Krancjar, Garner, Dodoo joined because of HIS philosophy! Yes they are struggling a little but those that would rather we return to the clogger mentality should save themselves some money and support their local Sunday league side!
18 Sep 2016 14:14:17
Excellent post mate.
18 Sep 2016 15:30:44
All those things you just said about Warburton could be said about Ronny Deila. Both might be good coaches and good at developing players but they are both one dimensional when it comes to setting a team up and their tactics.
The truth is, when you manage either half of the OF, if you don't get results and win trophies then you won't get time to implement your vision.
18 Sep 2016 16:11:43
A good post and some very pertinent points. With the exception of Rogers, there isn't a manager in the SPL that is of the same quality as Warburton. Guys like McInnes are also rans. Why do we think that they brought in Rogers, would they have done so if we still had McCoist, I don't think so!
The problem for me is that some of last season's players are not good enough for the SPL and our captain is a very poor leader.
Halliday is not good enough, he kicks up when Barton tells the truth that they are all crap and Barton is the one in trouble. Halliday should also have been in trouble .
The manager is making a problem for himself by taking sides when this is not justified. McKay has been poor, Wallace has been pretty awful, and Halliday is nothing more than a mediocre players. Changes are needed and while it might be an explosive comment, I would give Barton the Captaincy and tell him to get them organised on the park into a winning unit.
18 Sep 2016 20:36:37
BossHogg, Ronny Delia was managing a team with no opposition in the league. He was terrible. How many times did Ronny totally rebuild a team to win promotion into SPFL. Delia isn't even in Warburton's league. He was a cheap mediocre signing to fill a role that a monkey could've done. Celtic had no opposition. And going by his performances last year it turns out a monkey might've been better.
19 Sep 2016 01:27:29
Rangers had no opposition last season in the championship.
18 Sep 2016 11:07:20
People need to relax. I'm not happy we are dropping points but if you think Celtic won't drop points this season then you're dreaming. All of this "the league will be wrapped up by xmas" nonsense. They never managed it in the previous four years when we weren't there so what makes you think they'll manage it now?
The team played excellent yesterday. Any other day and it's 4/ 5 nil. Just one of those games. We are still gelling and everything is beginning to falling into place. MW has my full support as do all of the players.
Panic merchants need to breath. That's it. Breath.
18 Sep 2016 11:46:07
And people that are deluded need to check out reality.
The club is in crisis.
Winning the league was never realistic but our form is of a bottom six team- completely unacceptable considering our playing budget dwarfs everyone except Celtic.
Manager has made a total mess of recruitment in the summer. Only rossiter and windass look good signings at the moment. Has upset the balance of the squad by signing too many players.
He us cracking under the pressure and looks like he isn't up to the job. Everyone knows his tactics and he doesn't seem capable of changing- or more to the point he is too arrogant to Change tactics.
Then there is the scapegoating of Barton.
18 Sep 2016 11:51:52
MW said he would take that performance every week what a 0-0 at home to Ross County, and no one has said Celtic won't drop points that just you making up some stupid statement to shine over how pathetic a game that was yesterday . In all my life I have never heard a Rangers fan say all is falling into place now with the zero zero at home.
18 Sep 2016 11:44:19
There a big difference mate they are unbeaten with a game in hand they have took maximum points we are dropping points against mid to bottom of the league teams
They may drop points but we may be to far behind to claw it back I'd settle for second place just now
Plus they have trimmed there squad and got 2 good players in
We have lots of new players and player not fit or not at there best we just have to stick by our team and hope it sorts it's self out as soon as
I was at the game and thought we were missing something and it wasn't Barton
At times we looked strong the midfield looked strong but we need to score goals to get the points simple as.
18 Sep 2016 17:02:28
we are joint 4th how is that bottom 6 form?
18 Sep 2016 17:02:43
Defo need to improve our form, aberdeen won today aswell. We won't win the title in our first season back. That is unrealistic, but we should be beating average sides like ross county, hamilton and killie. Won't panic yet but warburton is going to have to come up with a plan or we'll struggle for top 4. Hopefully when rossiter comes back he becomes a regular in the engine room with windass and holt. Need money for a very good central defender too.
18 Sep 2016 20:07:41
Honest Ger, MW has made plenty of tactical changes and is experimenting. What he hasn't changed is his formation and style of play. Both of which, I like. The only person that seems to be cracking under the pressure is you. Chill.
Dth100 "in all your life" how many times have Rangers fought from the 3rd Division and back into the top flight? Super Ally started that campaign with 6 players turning up for preseason. We've come a long way.
If anyone thinks MW could have added 4/ 5 players to that squad last season and done any better this season is dreaming. He needed a complete overhaul which he has done. The team needs time to gel. Simple as that. Look at MAN U, a multi billion pound football club, with the "best" manager in the world, lost to Watford today. Haven't gelled yet. We need time. Yesterday's performance was excellent and that keeper will never make saves like that again in his career.
If anyone thinks we'll finish anywhere except top two, they need to watch more Scottisg football. No teams in Scottish football have been consistent in decades, except Rangers and Celtic. None. Last was Aberdeen, 30 odd years ago. Stop panicking. We're all acting like Rangers have never drawn at Ibrox before. It's happened many a time and it's happened with some of the best Rangers teams ever to grace Ibrox.
This obscene pressure people are putting on MW is not helping. Get a grip and BREATH.
18 Sep 2016 11:05:48
Turning up at ibrox is like a lottery now don't know what to expect Apart from Celtic we haven't played a team yet that should pose a title threat. Need to stop this under performing now we are Glasgow Rangers playing for this team is an honour. Need to dig deep and perform the Rangers way. Winning Ps Good time to shift Barton. Don't care what is comments to the media it's the talking on the park that counts and he ain't got it.
18 Sep 2016 11:08:41
Ok we won the Championship last season but not sure how the side would have fared
1) against the Hearts side in the previous season
2) the current "Lennon revived" Hibs in this season's championship
Those that are constantly wishing to lower our targets should remember that this Hearts team finished 3rd last season?
Do we not want to try and better that?
18 Sep 2016 11:20:38
Warburton and King both said we would challenge for the league this season. If that is not a realistic target, they would have been better keeping their gobs shut.
Now it has been said they have raised the fans expectations and if they don't deliver there will be hell to pay from some quarters.
18 Sep 2016 11:49:03
King said that to shift season tickets. He has not kept his word when it comes to investing to the level required to catch Celtic - although Warburton has wasted the cash that was available.
18 Sep 2016 17:19:58
King is full of bull! He is worse than Murray in promising moonbeams and failing to deliver. Big question for me is who signed Barton and Kranjcer, was that King trying to appease the fans with two so called 'Marquee signings' without spending money!
Young guys like Rossiter and Dodoo have real potential as have the guys from Accrington and Forrester. That is probably it! A number of players needed to be replaced because we needed to step up from the Championship to the SPL and that hasn't happened.
The positions that needed strengthening have not been answered. Central defence, we bring in Hill and then, as a panic, Senderos, Defensive midfield, we bring in Barton and Halliday immediately throws his toys out of his pram and the manager, (wrongly in my opinion), backs Halliday.
We still haven't brought in a quality striker! So the Spine of the team is arguably still weak and we don't have a leader on ten Park because Wallace is never a leader!
18 Sep 2016 10:28:27
In the event that we fail to beat Aberdeen next Sunday I hope that King will invoke the board's Plan B by the Monday!
Barton aside - this can be allowed to go on?
At least in 1989 the wins were against Aberdeen and Hearts with a draw away to Celtic and future "remained" bright!
18 Sep 2016 15:50:12
Don't think Derek mcinnes is the answer we need to give warburton bit more time as for his signings few have looked ok but they will also need bit of time to settle look at the most expensive player in the world pogba he done nothing at Man U yet doesn't make him a bad player.
18 Sep 2016 10:02:33
I do think MW should get bit more time but wat we r doing obviously isn't working would like to see us go to 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 just till things start clicking them look at it again but if that m doesn't work what would people think of Derek Mcinnes of Aberdeen coming in?
18 Sep 2016 10:50:17
I think there will come a time where everything will click. Most teams take time to gel and I think everything will be fine. Wether it be this year or next. who knows.
As for Mcinnes I don't think he is the man. Let's be honest he hasn't really done much at Aberdeen. Granted he won the league cup but I remember Aberdeen had week after week to catch Celtic under Delia, and they bottled it.
I really don't want MW to leave but if he was to go, where would that leave us? He done great last year and deserves time to build a team capable of challenging. Not once have I heard MW say we are title contenders so let him do what he is doing.
18 Sep 2016 11:10:47
Coming in and doing what? Taking the reserve the team? Aye that's not a bad idea.
18 Sep 2016 11:10:54
If you want to watch long ball, over-physical football then Mcinnes by all means. For me, I'm happy to support a team struggling to play football the 'right' way! People forget it's an entertainment business, personally I'm not interested in watching a really physical game. I watch too many Championship games like this and it's boring af. I watch the NFL for the big hits! Also, as sad as it is I don't care about CL qualification, there's nothing pleasurable about getting merked 6 times all over Europe and we will never compete at that level! Forget about it and let the oil clubs fight it out! Once we get above Celtic there is nowhere to go so what's the mad rush? We all want to get there but patience is a virtue!
18 Sep 2016 13:01:38
Its a results driven buisness mate, entertainments secondary.
18 Sep 2016 07:14:42
I'm not buying into this idea that we came up from the lower leagues and 6th is ok. We are bigger than that and have team that can finish second in my opinion. I understand we are underperforming recently but we need to have ambition for second place at least. Personally cannot see much difference in this league to the last except maybe them. I've been a critic of few our players recently but we need hope and ambition to drive this team forward.
18 Sep 2016 08:22:36
this manager has a way of playing, attacking football, passing, nice to watch when working. right now it's not working but how many times did we see Smith or mcleish go out 442 451 and lob balls up the park or defend for their lives and still go through bad spells like this? let's face it their isn't a lot of managers out their right now that are better than Warburton.
18 Sep 2016 09:55:21
There's plenty of managers out there better than warburton mate, all with vastly more experience. Let's not forget he wasn't Rangers first choice. The problem is the board won't splash the cash on someone of any note. 90% of Rangers fans hadn't even heard of Warburton before we signed him If we don't get someone in with REAL quality soon there's a serious chance Rodgers could take them to 10 in a row. This CANNOT happen.
18 Sep 2016 10:15:16
The cash is not there to splash! That is the reality and for the life of me I can't understand if some think otherwise. Why would McInnes leave Aberdeen to be put through the wringer as, RFC boss with little resources and with a support that demand instant success. Ain't going to happen. RFC must focus on stopping the ten.
18 Sep 2016 10:31:03
Cee
Smith and McLeish could change it when it wasn't working however Warburton can't. You say there isn't managers out there better than him but what exactly do you base that on? Do you think he is better than Rodgers? McInnes or Neilson? if so can you explain why he is better than them?
18 Sep 2016 10:43:35
Not so sure McInnes wouldn't come, he's had a fair while at Aberdeen now and if the chance came to be Rangers boss it would be difficult for a former player to say no to the challenge and he would have more resources than he currently has.
18 Sep 2016 11:06:49
Good managers are versatile. good managers are proactive rather than reactive. i'm starting to have my doubts about him. To continually play mckay and keirnan just proves my concerns.
18 Sep 2016 10:56:31
@Bluenose .
u say there is 'plenty of manager better than Warburton, all with vastly more experience'
Give us some names mate!
Given Rangers budget, and the state of Scottish football tell me who these 'plenty of managers' are.
I ask this because I cannot think of anyone! If your going down the McInnes, Billy Davies road I'd rather have Warbs and Weir any day.
17 Sep 2016 22:50:34
I really can't believe some are saying a euro place is out of our reach and even top six. I'm as disappointed as anyone with our performances so far but second will never be good enough. My thinking is stopping nine in a row for them is the bare minimum. I believe we will get second this year (I'll be at least 100 quid down for that second place finish) . Third is unacceptable, fourth. top six. No way.
18 Sep 2016 08:16:35
You may qualify for europe through league position but you still need to go through qualifiers and that team managed by that manager wouldn't do that. He just comes out with salesman managerial stock trader sound bites and power quotes to make himself sound knowledgeable. His cute wee short corners 60minute subs and constant playing out from the back aren't clever and don't help the team.
18 Sep 2016 09:39:16
LS Rangers may finish second but will be 20 points behind Celtic and that will happen every year until better players are brought into the club. That means big investment. And that is not going to happen any time soon for a variety of reasons, not least being Rangers are not a private company and money going in can only go in as a loan and if you want to change that then it needs shareholder approval. Brining in 34 year old players is a total waste of time. That is just short term. Obviously someone thought rangers could win the league this season and the strategy was bring in experiance who are on frees. It won't work. So no big investment so all Rangers can do is to start brining in young players and gave a long term strategy otherwise this is going to be the same next season and seasons after that. Bears might not like it but that's the facts. Either that or King buys the club and takes it private which won't happen. Or he gets back trDing on AIM, which may happen, but they would first need to pay back the loans currently received over the last 2 years so everyone can stop looking for King to put millions in. He may do in time but that's no time soon.
18 Sep 2016 09:47:32
Ls first up, our target is ten in a row, nine in a row has already been recorded in our history, many years ahead of rangers.
Second, wait till you see the results of your next few matches against aberdeen, st johnstone etc before setting your targets. You might even be moaning after tuesday match against faith ( I have faith) rovers, who are currently on the up.
18 Sep 2016 11:12:32
Bigp
Your spot on about him he has had the 2nd biggest budget in the country for the last 2 seasons and hasn't justified all the hype some people on here give him. He had a far bigger budget than anyone last year so we should have won the league. There were obvious signs last year that his ability to manage the team had flaws however nothing has been done to change this and the team is going backwards.
2 wins out of 6 having only played 1 of the top teams in the league is poor and an inability to change tactics when it's clearly not working is worrying. Concerned about the next set of fixtures when we have tough games away against Aberdeen, Hearts and Inverness. Is anyone confident we can take full points?
18 Sep 2016 10:59:16
See if Celtic win the league by 20 points, let them get on with it!
It's pretty clear they will win the league so if anything I think MW should use this year to find out exactly what he needs and wants to do going forward.
18 Sep 2016 11:57:04
Biffo - I'm not worried about the points, I'm worried we will get thrashed away at Aberdeen and hearts. Can't see us winning in Perth either.
Manager has got found out. Needs to come up with some answers that don't involve trying to carry on as if nothing is wrong.
17 Sep 2016 22:42:53
The problem we have is expectations were to high this season. No one in there right mind should of thought we need challenge for the league. The last time we were in the spl we had quality players including stevie davis who into days market is worth 15 million we just don't have that quality player anymore. We have the likes of forrester and kiernan who hardly set the spl on fire when they were here before. The people that are calling for mw head already are living in the past at the minute we are no better than a top 4 team and unless there is serious investment we won't challenge for the title.
18 Sep 2016 07:51:22
Hooly78,again I find myself agreeing with most of what you're saying but we as glasgow rangers should always have expectation to win anything we're involved in, taking into account of where we've been for the last 4 years I do think for this season we must expect to finish as runners up with top 3 being the worst I'd personally accept, I most definitely think we've got the players to finish runners up to celtic, for our minority fans that want mark warburton sacked, have a word with yourselves, be patient and judge at the end of the season, I fully expect our management team to turn it around and when they do the warburton bashers will be the first on here raving about him and the team, we have some very fickle, impatient supporters! Some think the be all and end all is sack the manager when things don't go right at times, its very early in the season give him time! There's absolutely NO chance warbs will be sacked just now!
18 Sep 2016 08:22:10
The press built up the expectations you read it and heard it on the phone ins they actually thought this team with that poor manager would compete the dj's the gorams hateleys guidis hannahs all blowing the attack bugles building up the expectations of the fans more through hope than actually basing their opinions on facts. No way could rangers compete this season or even the next few seasons.
18 Sep 2016 12:01:16
Wb15 - you say yourself that third is least you would accept, so are you agreeing Warburton must go if we finish below that?
How about King- when he doesn't provide the funds promised in January (again), will people hound him out like they did to the other charlatans?
17 Sep 2016 22:22:29
Wots going wrong guys.
18 Sep 2016 07:53:27
We ain't winning 4 nil every week, that's what some guys are expecting and in a way rightly so we are the mighty Glasgow Rangers, but we are a very young team most of our squad is made made up with guys from English lower leagues who haven't played in the spl where every team is out to try twice as hard against us as they do when playing other sides in lge! We need a couple of wins boost the confidence we need to get the dressing room 'problem' fixed if there is one and we need to support the men in charge and most importantly the guys on the pitch! Booing a young player is going to achieve nothing, yes mackay should sit out a game or two as should Wallace and one or two others but they need to feel they can take the ball and go and play football and not be worried about getting slaughtered for a bad touch or a miss placed pass! It will come good weir and Warbs need to get everyone in monday morning address the issues at hand and move on to the cup tie with fire in us to go grab win and notch a few goals! The whole Barton saga looks messy but hopefully it can be resolved and we can get focused on the cup tie then get smashed into the sheep do that and we can really push on this season and get a euro place, if we go and give 100% every game then come may we will have had a good season and a squad of young players with a spl season under there belts and we will be better equipped to push celtic next term.