Rangers Banter Archive December 19 2012

 

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19 Dec 2012 19:50:18
Classic Chuckles on Ssn " I said in May when I came that I wasn't a rangers supporter, but now I've got this disease".... Couldn't have put it better myself Charlie!

Briggs

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You on the jungle juice again my dear bishop lol doug t.s.o

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19 Dec 2012 17:46:03
reading further down about posts on celtics share issue with totally different outcome celtic far exceeded their exectations where rangers didnt ok but there was very good reasons for this , but lets not talkdown celtics achievment as in time rangers share issue will prove to be every bit as important as theirs so well done to them and well done to us

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I know I have posted some stupid things and can be a bit bitter but the fans deserve a pat on the back. You stood up when needed and congrats to them. The quicker yous get back to the spl the better for Scottish football all together. JD

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If anyone did do it then hats off to them hard times nowadays.

Spoke to a few people in work about it,they weren't keen on a £500 by in with no accounts etc now green comes out with a belter .... 30million for ally to spend ? Celtic team cost 13 tops think it was even 10m...remember the last guy who said he would give ally 25million to spend ? ....

Lenny

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19 Dec 2012 16:32:44
Why do we always get Celtic fans on here with their expert opinions on everything to do with Rangers finances? Can we not talk about football for a change? Or am I being stupid here?

BB1

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Why post this on both pages is better question

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Celtic fans care more about Rangers than they do Celtic. Pity them, don't get irritated by it. I feel sorry for them.

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@2; Your right. we would much rather be playing in div 3 than the SPL, and dont even mention the CL last 16,what a pain that is.I wish our midweeks were free to play Annan etc.

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Grew up during 80s knew adults then who bragged about owning original rangers shares how wrong they were

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@2...what alot of nonsense! As most agree celtic and gers are and always will be linked because of the rivalry...it wasn't that long ago the ball was on the other foot and every gers fan dished out they're opinions. The difference this time round is internet football forums provide a wider perspective..either way its only a bit of banter..let's not forget that

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20 Dec 2012 02:08:46
@3 exactly. With Celtic being in such a fantastic position it amazes me how many of your fans still obsess over the Bears. What would they really do with their time had Gers died? sad isnt it.

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We would probably be trying to convince our Rangers supporting friends to get off they're arses and start up a new Rangers cos we are missing hating they're guts and the banter that comes with it. No joke.

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19 Dec 2012 14:42:04
What's your thoughts then on the protest by (IMO)some of Ranger's traditional supporters through Charles' valedictory speech against the possible renaming of the stadium and the heavy-handed way the protest was policed. Eight arrests?

Paddy Malarkey

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First of all the arrests didn't happen during the protest while CG was speaking. The arrests came well into the second half. And in my opinion traditional supporters are decent law abiding supporters and not ones who attend matches completely intoxicated and engage in sectarian signing and behaviour as the vast majority of that section of the crowd do. Eight arrests is hardly heavy handed when you have hundreds of other fans who could potentially be incited by their actions.

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Sorry , didn't mean to imply that the arrests came during his speech. The protesters made their point throughout the speech and beyond .

Paddy Ma;arkey

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Why are you bringing Celtic into it . Nobody mentioned size of crowds either. But you are right it is getting so boring .........DH

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19 Dec 2012 14:13:48
Was talking to Charles Green this morning , very pleased with the share issue and were looking to tie up 4 new players in transfer window for next season ....

The Airport bear

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Charles Green in interview with a website on later today.
Rangers chief executive Charles Green has pledged to hand boss Ally McCoist up to £30m for new signings when the club's transfer embargo is lifted.

The Scottish Third Division leaders are barred from buying players until January 2014 but revealed on Tuesday that they had raised £22.5m from the club's share flotation.

Green said: "In the presentation we did when we were selling the shares, we said that, of the £22m, £10m is put to one side for Ally.

"Of course, we can't buy players at the moment, we can't do that until January 2014.

"But, between now and then, we'll also have another season's worth of season ticket sales so the cash position will increase."

Green added: "We're not saying it's £10m and only £10m.

"If Rangers fans, as we expect, come out and buy their season tickets next year, there is perhaps another £20m there and that is a fantastic position for the manager, the club and its fans to be in.

"When we are allowed to go into the market, this club will take the right players and take the right action.

"This is definitely the springboard for the rebirth of Rangers.

"Never in the club's history did it sit there with no debt, no borrowings, with cash in the bank.

"The enterprise value of Rangers is still very, very low and that's why, I believe, institutions have invested in it."

AJM.

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Not a chance in hell Ally will get 30m.

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JESUS WOULD YOU TRUST MCCOIST WITH THAT SORT OF DOSH

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Can anyone point me to the section in the prospectus that says 10 million would be for players ... it says 5.5 million for renovation 4.5 to buy additional property and 3 million for other investments and the rest will go towards running costs that totals 13 million and only leaves 9 million and thats before running costs so where is this 10 million coming from or is green just saying any old crap to the fans

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I think some institutional investors might be more inclined to immediately sell on after that hearing that.

What happened to the Ajax model of youth development. Sometimes CG really needs to think before he comes out with a soundbite like that.

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Giving a serious top drawer budget to a crap manager.
1. Ally is only top of div3 cause he has second biggest budget in Scotland. Biggest fan base to scare wee teams and best training facilities.
2. Give him the same budget and facilities as the second top team in div3 and he'd come third bottom.
3. Rangers are buying this div as they did the SPL for 11 years but then with EBTs and impossible to repay bank loans.
4. The team has only had consistent results since WS returned and started turning up at MP daily. The load looks off young Ally's shoulders.

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Sounds like he is going through the sheffield Utd roll once more! Maybe try talking to them about the utter crap that this guy fed them!

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@6 good points there mate and hard to argue with any of them. Looking forward if there is no league reconstruction I am not confident that Rangers under McCoist would win the 1st division.

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20 Dec 2012 11:28:50
No need to be spending any sort of money for a couple of years. Will still be playing painters and decorators for another 2 years any sort of big money signing in that time is just wasting money for the sake of it. Has nothing been learned?

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19 Dec 2012 14:09:52
The very first trade this morning was someone selling 149,975.00 worth of shares. Who is bailing out? The very first trade. And look at all the early trades, much larger numbers of shares being sold than later in the day. Strange investors this lot, bailing out on day one after an offering. ahhh, its the consortium flogging the shares they got for basically pennies! {The Ed039's Note - That what happens when the price inflates, its called getting rich quick, same thing happened when a certain social media site floated last year, it happens all the time so what is the big deal?)

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Well replied Ed, just shows what a good investment the shares are.

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I buy and sell shares reguarlly. I must admit I was ssceptical that outside EFA I thought any team trying to raise cash coa a sharr scheme. £10 was very optimistic buy your fans raised £5.5 million. Even at that you have in this era pulled a blinder. I had a bet on £3 mll. Well done.

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To 2 if you deal in shares then I am a monkeys uncle

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3. am a bit ssceptical lol myself about 2 buying and selling shares regularly.

But the issue has worked out better than I expected for CG.

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OP - so is that your normal routine, wake up first thing you do is check your share portfolio, or are you (dare i say it, yes i dare) obsessed

For your info the consortium have a lock in period before they can sell, and naw thats no the same kind o lock in as bar67 has

JG

JG

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If there is a lock in how did someone manage to trade that volume of shares? Only a consortium member would have that quantity to trade!

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More cg bull - there is no lock in - when a floated company you can do what you wish with your shares..

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Take it you didn't read the prospectus. JG is right. From memory some of the consortium members are locked in for a period of 12 months and others with lesser values of original shares are locked in for six months. Apparently this is a legal requirement when floating a company.

Brian

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19 Dec 2012 12:21:56
all over the the net forums and all over phone ins i keep hearing Celtic fans go on about how they raised 9 mil in shares and rangers fans only raised 5 mil well lets look at this a little closer bhoys

when celtic fans bought their shares we where not smack bang in the middle of a recession

when celtic fans bought their shares they where not asked to pay up front they got a interest free payment plan ie Tic

Celtic fans where not asked to find £500 1 week before xmas(granted this is due to bad timing from CG)

if you go to thisismoney co uk they have an inflation calculater and if you put 5mil of todays money in it calculates to 8 mill in 1994

so a big well done to all rangers fans for not only buying shares but also for filling ibrox week in week out

Lochaber Bear

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Wait... what? 5 mill today was worth 8 mill back then?? Em.. Think about that for a bit..

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No disrespect,mate but I think you've misread the site's answer . An imput of £5 million in 1994 would equate to an input of £8 million today.£3,125,000 then gives you £5 million now.

Paddy Malarkey {The Ed039's Note - LOL, LB you are at it again. Paddy check your email soon)

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Your an idiot mate, inflation works the other way round.

Inflation is going up and not down.

£500 in 1994 is £1000 now or close to it

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Celtic fans were not asked to pay 500 pounds it was 600 pounds,but between you and me what diffrence does it make,its like being in the school play ground,we done this you done that, GROW UP,LETS TALK ABOUT FOOTBALL, OLD BOB, {The Ed039's Note - Thank f**k, someone talks some sense)

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Nice how you done it back to front Loch If you put £9 million in for 1998 it is now worth £12.9 million. Did you get your spin from CG

Ian

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OP, I seriously hope you are not involved in any kind of financial work. Even a calculator needs a bit of intelligence to use. Inflation implies increasing. You have got your figures completely the wrong way about. £5mil in 1995 equates to £8mil today.
Al

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Lochaber Bear I went into a site called Measuring worth, it could not give me the figure relating to 2012 as the yearly figures are not yet complete, however £9,000,000 from 1994 as of 2011 was worth anywhere between £13,390,000 to £19,580,000 or to put it another way you are talking absolute crap. Have wages halved in the past 18 years? Is a film that took £9m at the box office in 94 more or less of a success than a 2012 movie that takes £5m?

You've made some suspect claims before but this one is your best by a mile. And for the record you weren't "asked to find £500 1 week before xmas" It's payment may have been due then but this was hardly sprung on you on December 12th.

It's ironic that clearly to the detriment of the floatation that Charles Green actually kept to a promise by floating in 2012. If ever he had justification for saying look, doing this in December would be insane, can I be forgiven for moving it to February? Not even Rangers biggest critic would have slammed him but such was the lack of truths and accuracies to date that he actually felt compelled to go ahead with this one. That big blustering mouth just keeps coming back to haunt him.

Gaz

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@ LB what a trumpet! No doubt you will be back on trying to make out it was a wind up! Listening to much to chuckles Green I suspect..... Ha! Ha!

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Did the original poster go to school? He certainly did not study Economics, looks like he got confused with simple sums. Inflation? The only country I know of that has negative inflation is Japan. So were we paying more for electricity and petrol in 1994 or are we paying more now? Get it?

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19 Dec 2012 12:17:26
17 Dec 2012 12:51:07
hi ed, rumours about a possible exposive story breaking tomorrow in the sun ... yawn still waiting .. shammy

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Thats why it was posted as a rumour, silly obssesed !!

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19 Dec 2012 10:55:52
So, first three hours of shares trading and there is more selling than buying going on - share price is higher so that's good, but I think these corporate investors are out for a quick buck rather than any long term investment in the club. Time will tell.

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Who cares what the investors do now green successfully floated the club got the money he said he wanted. If the price is already rising that's a good thing. They can only sell them if someone is willing to buy them simple. More disappointment for the bullsh,t brigade who said the shares would be worthless right away. What's it one said it would be like buying a brand new car you'd be 30% down as soon as you bought it

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It's the first morning mouthpiece! If there wasn't interest it would be a bad job. As usual flapping your gum prematurely, why not wait a week or 2 and if your still right THEN give them it full tilt with your pelters.

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Selling and buying take place at same time...its just what is paid!

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What does it matter what investors do with their shares? The club already had their investment so if they then make money by selling what does it matter to us? It's not Dragons Den, we'r not looking for investors expertise, so it doesn't matter if they sell all their shares.

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Whos buying the shares thou green only has 15 % whats to stop blue pitch ( who no one knows ) buying up more and getting rid of green

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19 Dec 2012 10:53:58
Looks like some of the tims who live on this site are very upset that Rangers have exceeded their share issue target...nae luck bhoys just another reminder for you that we are the biggest and best supported club in this country.

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Time will tell if the share issue has been a success. what exactly is the money for and if it's needed to make it through the season, where will the extra come from next year and so on?

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How come 'exceeded' if £5.2 million instead of £10 million from fans?Is CG buying the rest as he said?In todays conditions I think fans did ok buying what they did.Hope it's not money wasted---still not sure of this man.

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The glasgow rangers have proved they are the biggest and best supported club in scotland have a nice xmas fellow bears

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@3: no Christmas wishes to anyone else then?

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19 Dec 2012 10:53:12
CG on sky jeff randall 7,30pm tonight.

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I believe Jeff is a Rangers supporter so should be worth watching

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He is a bear, he came up with the quintessential British club line

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So he's a gers fan.Your point being?

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@2; does quintessential mean tax dodging?

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19 Dec 2012 10:30:34
sitting here in work in a quiet moment of reflection thinking isnt it great to be a bear, a new owner of the club who at the moment seems to be delivering and defending the club 100 %, season tckts again been sold and a loyalty shown by the fans,which is unknown at any other club, top of div 3, dundee utd owe us money, for something we wont even be there for,( brilliant ), successful share issue, still sitting as the most successful club side in the world, and knowing the "obssesed" are spewing on a daily basis when they pick up their papers, listen to the radio, go on fan sites, and all the talk is about the famous GLASGOW RANGERS, dont you just love being a bear, happy days !!

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Yes but leave out the Glasgow part it ain't never has never will be part of our name

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The famous glasgow rangers the 1 and only

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FFS now they are arguing with each other
Tam

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19 Dec 2012 09:55:58
Of all the attendances this year to my mind last nights stood out, cold wednesday night nearing christmas v Annan, incredible.

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Sh,t I've missed a day I thought it was a Tuesday night man that weekend must have been crazy lol

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Ok 1) days just roll in to one for us retired codgers, does not change statement.

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Yeh, you know what they meant. Not everyone is as perfect as you. It's is the season of goodwill to all men and women. Or so I heard anyway!
Gio

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19 Dec 2012 09:11:27
Looking on the AIM website good to see ordinary fans getting to buy shares to the value they want and not being dictated to by CG.

Would still be unsure as to buy any if it was me. I dont believe a word that comes from CG'S mouth.

Ian

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Ian are you a rangers fan though and if not I don't think it's a case of you don't believe a word he says and more like you don't want to believe a word he says

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Anon I am not a Rangers supporter but most of my family are. I seen the hurt they went through last year and this year and I said then and I will say it now CG should never have been give your club he says what you want to hear.

I havent seen any statement from him about buying the other £4.8 million fans shares that werenot take up.

Keep an eye on him is all I am saying as he has lied fro day 1.

Ian

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@2 he only wanted to raise 20 mil he stated there was 10mil worth of interest from fans add on the 17 mil from big investors equals 27 mil of interest now considering there were plenty tims on here saying they were flooding it with bogus interest I think the 5.2 mil raised by fans was good

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I'd imagine CG will buy them up as promised but no need to do so immediately.

And hopefully he pays 70p per share. I don't grudge him paying a tiny fraction of that price for the shares he's already been given but to me - a bit of a Green sceptic - forking out the same money as the fans this time round would convince me he really is doing his best for the club.

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Yes very good Ian so now they have to pay more for them.

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@5 yes they have to pay more per share but they dont have to fork out £500 for the privillage. They can buy 1 share for £0.76 or 100 for £76.

IN OTHER WORDS THEY CAN BUY WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD.

Ian

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19 Dec 2012 09:01:27
Is the elgin game on tv? Origional game was in espn, but cant find rearranged game for saturday?

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Only on RTV, £5.99
AJM.

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The only problem watching RTV is that terrible commentator. {The Ed039's Note - I agree, he is dire)

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19 Dec 2012 07:26:52
congrats to cg and rangers on a successful share issue, with just one week before xmas. target figure 20m, actual figure 22.2m, watp !!

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Target figure from fans was 10m and you got 5. celtic fans raised 9m . 17 years ago , how much would that be at todays values ?? shammy

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19 Dec 2012 02:02:21
A 9,000,000 shortfall expected from the realisation of shares from companies:-
Hargreave Hale Limited: 4,949,000 shares.
Artemis Investment Managment LLP: 4,286,000 shares.
Cazenove Capital Management Limited: 2,450,000 shares.
Legal & General Investment Managment Limited: 2,000,000 shares.
Total = 13,685,000 shares.

13,685,000 shares priced at 70p each = £9,579,500.00

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Add what the Fans took up.

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Yeah not £17m at all. Only £9.5m.
So a target of £10m from fans and £17m institutions = £27m.
But £5.2m fans (if true?) and £9.5m =£14.7m at best.

Is Green buying the drop of £12.3m as promised? He did promise several times on TV.

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Out of the £27m share issue Rangers International FC have realised about 53% take up.

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Op what complete dross are you slavering 22.2mil raised through share issue that's the bottom line now midday 19th dec shares rising in value meaning the overall value of the club is rising. Where the f,ck did you get your info and are you the leader of the bullsh,t brigade. Man you must be spewing rangers going from strength to strength man that must be tareing you up

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@4: from strength to strength? Beating Annan 3-0 in comparision to drawing earlier in the season suggests you're right lol. What happens when the 'working capital' raised by the share issue runs out? Another share issue?

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@5 when stupid ideas by Celtic fans that rangers will not survive and that everything they do will fail what next denial. Oops silly me Celtic fans have always been in denial. I strongly suggest you start caring for your own team as much as you do about your obsession with rangers

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@6: #5 here and your post doesn't seem to be a reply to mine...

If you think I'm a Celtic fan then you're wrong. I asked what would happen when the 'working capital' runs out and you come back with unoriginal and irrelevant p*sh about being obsessed. Try reading the posts in future and if you don't have a proper answer, why bother?

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@7 you are wasting your time with idiots like that poster mate! The guy (presumably a teenager regurgitating the garbage he heard from others in denial!), you lost him with your sensible and relevant question!
I say time will tell what will happen with the working capital! I believe that a club with SPL wages playing in front of sold out (greatly reduced gate takings) stadium (possibly only half paying too) is starting to struggle financially already and administration is on horizon once more! THAT is the only reason for a share issue so early! And anybody denying this needs to have a reality Check!

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19 Dec 2012 02:05:03
Does anyone know when Green can call in the £8.7m loan he lent the company to buy its stadium and training complex?

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07:49:34 19-Dec-2012 70.00 214,250 149,975.00 Ordinary trade

£140,000 in the bank as someone checks out of rangers aim stock. WOW.

Buy a 1p sell at 70p merry xmas.

Green said initial investors making 2x - 4x, wow. He right someone making huge piles of dosh.

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He won't be in a hurry because the loan is accruing interest.

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OP - excellent question and i sure many people are wondering the same

the short answer is no loan of 8.7m was given, 5.5m was paid to D&P to purchase the assets and the club from RFC2012.

let me explain further

CG was part of a consortium, later to become RFCL, which aquired the assets and business of the club for around 5.5M
RFCL issued 8m shares to original investors
CG received 5m shares or almost 15% of RFCL, therefore his individual investment was around 825k (not 8.7m)

Now after RIFC flotation, all shareholders of RFCL will receive one share in RIFC in return for their share in RFCL (aquisition by RIFC)
CG will now hold 5m shares in RIFC (value @ 70p per share = 3.5M)

Furthermore if you check the prospectus you wil see that RFCL received loans totalling 1.8m which have been repaid
Your man CG provided a loan of 25k to RFCL (not 8.7m) on 21st may this was repaid without interest on 15th August

Other loans provided to RFCL by Stockbridge and ahmad were also repaid

OP hope that answers your question

JG

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19 Dec 2012 00:27:49
anyone noticed green always plays the rangers then rangers now rangers forever trump card at every time he can to get the fans to buy everything he says

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Anyone noticed no matter what Green says folk moan and complain about it.

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Green doesn't have to say because as rangers fans its what we believe and deep down you lit know it aswell. Green sticks up for rangers and us fans he is our voice and is only saying what most of us already feel. He ain't doing anything that the fans don't want. Boycott du game the fans decided that green went with it. Starting in div3 the fans wanted it green went with it green here's what we want and acts on it does your CEO do the same er naw

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18 Dec 2012 23:39:16
seems like sir walter of the myth has played a blinder got the mugs to part with their hard earned and banks £50,000 for his trouble no bad work if you can get it

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Walter's dominance of Sellik was no myth.....the only myth is you lot's perception of our demise...the stock footage of bhoys bubbling on the terraces after yet another sore one will once again be on our screens....a matter of time.

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