Rangers Banter Archive February 19 2012

 

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19 Feb 2012 23:13:32
50 000 plus we will not walk away lol

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Aye we will see how many turn up at your next home game

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Another full boat pal WATP

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Here ya wee clown. A stayed back n missed ma fkn supporters bus back. Was left in govan masel. So don't gees yer pish!

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19 Feb 2012 23:09:13
HMRC will allow Rangers to pay up their debt over a number of years to prevent the club going out of business, however, a key witness at Rangers' tax tribunal believes the club can still win the tax case and that owner craig whyte could not have known the outcome of the tribunal when he put the club into administration. Source - BBC SPL Gossip column (the times & scotland on sunday).

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19 Feb 2012 22:42:33
Tired Bear check out your facts before posting (The company i work for recived sales facts and figures about british footy clubs for a campaign. one of the findings were that Rangers Football club sell more XL and XXL tops than any other club in briton based on JJB's sales figures, compared to other clubs.

The only way i can look at this is that Rangers FC have the Most Overweight Support in the uk.

At least they won something this year but not something to be proud of.)
or maybe your to tired to check

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Im surprised at that though i suppose commons aint played for ur lot that much he only needed 6 xxxxxxxl tops this season,

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You really are thick mate.. You do no height comes into the factor when buying tops... I need a XL but I'm only 11 an a half stone so your stats or way of reading them is p!sh

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That did actually make me LoL! What a load of utter lies haha no name no source no facts no life!

Is it glasgow council you work for?

Tired bear

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LOL I copied and pasted from from the timternet, I mean (internet) go on Google it, only a bit of banter boys.

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Have you had a look at your bench it looks like something out of nightmare on elm street.

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It going to need another xxl as going in at 2 on the pie munch ha ha,

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19 Feb 2012 22:23:19
what lies behind us and what lies
before us are tiny matters compared
to what lies within us
WATP.

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19 Feb 2012 22:15:58
Just to say as a honest bear credit to celtic & lennon amazing run of games for anybody well run club instead of mess we have,great football at times and a joy to watch,mccoist wouldent win title if he had 10 points added,o he did 15 now 22 without deduction,time got heads out of sand and sack ally all the same heads stuck in sand when warned about money now its time for eyes to open about mccoist,lennon a playing legend n mccoist also wipe clean slate as a manager,lenny was 2 games of treble still on this year,already scottish cup,mccoist is worse than bad as a manager the worst i ever seen at rangers

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"a joy to watch" aye right then "rangers fan". Why feel the need to be a bullish!tter? PaulRFC

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"great football at times" No just no, never great football, that is what Barcelona do what Celtic do is nothing like that

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Which rangers manager has worse record than mccoist?,let the case be rested

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19 Feb 2012 21:51:59
The Celtic woodwork must be stretched to the max with all of the bhoys creeping out of it lately.

I've been seeing a lot of Larsson tops with the lowest hoop stretched into oblivion by a beer gut that has been purchased ahead of match tickets and club merchandise. Have you not been supporting your team lately due to the bears winning 3-in a row?

Win lose or draw we're Rangers till we die

Tired bear

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19 Feb 2012 21:39:58
many of the players have agreed to take paycuts for the time being until we get our house in order. could you imagine rooney or tevez doing this. i salute the players, its a great gesture.

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You mean you,ve been paying that bunch of diddies?artybhoy

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19 Feb 2012 21:12:09
Miko Celtic have struck a deal with the BBC for their games to be shown on cbeebies

WE ARE THE PEOPLE

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19 Feb 2012 21:06:40
everyone is calling cw the bad guy which may be true, but remeber this situation was un-avoidable , davie murray knew it too, murray must have gave cw money too act as a pasty, it just doesnt add up, and who got the back hander for failin to mention he was banned as a director for 7 years, and would murray not look into the background too?

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Murray had no choice. LBG forced the CW deal through coz they were desperate for the £18m. LBG turned a blind eye to the fact that CW sold 4 yrs of season tickets before he had ownership of the club. The whole thing stinks and LBG are going to have a lot of explaining to do to the FSA !!

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19 Feb 2012 21:06:38
Edd, any truth in the rumour that Craig whyte was spotted entering cash generator with a large trophy

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Ed,

Any truth in the rumour that Celtic havent actually won any trophies yet this year?

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This rumour regarding craig whyte is actually spot on. we have a full capacity trophy room n seeing we have in excess of 50 league titles, one really wouldn't be a huge miss.
j1985

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Got to admit , the patter fae miko and the rest of the celtic guys who come on here is quite funny , what goes around and aw that , fairplay , but admit it guys , deep down you all kno its gony get sorted , while you are entitled tae a wee laf and gloat , at the back of your wee tiny minds yous are cakkin it , tedbear

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19 Feb 2012 20:58:23
Instead of going to away games as i normally do I would save the money and when we are playing at home instead of using my season book use the away money to pay to get in then sit in my usual seat. Result being my club gets extra income , and it costs me exactly the same {Ed001's Note - won't that result in an empty seat as the club can not resell the spot your season ticket takes up?}

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Sorry ed what I meant to say is, I would take my seat as normal in the Copland, I would then give rangers the money I would have saved from the week before into a fund set up, end result I'm in my usual seat and rangers get the money from the week before. Didn't mean I would take up a public sale seat just donate the thirty quid to my club same cost to me {Ed001's Note - got you now, that makes good sense.}

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Think he means the fifty quid say he would have spent at say tannadice would be donated to a fighting fund not to take a broomloan seat as you think he said

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Celtic fan in peace and no-offence but it's a terrible idea for the simple fact that very few will do it (and a few hundred quid made as a result ain't going to mean much) and it'll just make Ibrox look empty. It's also terribly selfish on all the other clubs in the league who may not be in administration but need all the money they can get.

Why not just spend the money on official merchandise and get something in return?

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Excellent idea

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To the CFC fan, Scottish football can survive without RFC, that's what everyone and your lot is saying. So why do the clubs need the money now?
Iam Legend.

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Just thinking is this the same clubs that dont,need rangers in the league just think how much money the smaller clubs would miss out on two home games each year 20.000 people £100.000 a year surley all smaller clubs would miss this plus tv money sky only thier cause rangers are their

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19 Feb 2012 20:54:08
Here is broon yhodas top 5 internet searches
1.RANGERS F.C
2.CRAIG WHYTE
3.HMRC
4.BONDAGE
5.CELTIC

WE ARE THE PEOPLE

jacko

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@jacko; really the best you can do?what a pathetic attempt at humour,and still pushing the "we arra peepl"nonsense.you are the people who, are in administration,who need to punt players,who's season is over,who owe averybody money and who gave us a right laugh yesterday.the strange thing is you dont see what a laughing stock your club is.look forward to the party at ipox next month,remember be in your seat for two and keep eating those pies...you need the money.i'll be the guy in green with a big grin..............green jhedi

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I doubt you will be there Green Jhedi, just like you weren`t there today, to see your team win 5-0.
As an earlier poster said your more cardboard than real.

Bosley.

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Green Jhedi, the fact your response is so angry shows he got to you. He laid the bait and you just went straight for it. All I can say is calm down dear.

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Angry? i very seldom go to sunday games as it's my busiest work day. and you two who dont even leave a name,well done.season ticket to celtic park for 23 years and make about 8-10 away games.do you?..........green jhedi(just in from work!)

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19 Feb 2012 20:45:03
Dont know if you will post this ed. I think it is more than a coincidence that the daily record was due to make big cuts to staff last month including sports writers such as jim traynor....then all off a sudden thry start a relentless campaign against our club. The DR would have sold lots of papers with headlines about scandal at rangers. I am no saying that some things they printed were true BUT other stuff was pure specilation that has added to the probs at ibrox. Can anyone confirm if this is true as i gor one wont be buying the DR again as they seem hellbent on targeting gers. Watp

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Same here wouldn't even let Timothy wipe his ass with it scumbag paper btw sue me for saying it don't care

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So it was all the fault of the DR that Rangers are in such a mess. Eh .......... NO.

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19 Feb 2012 20:23:46
Rangers have clinched a new deal with Sky, all games will be shown on the history channel!

Miko x

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Fair play Miko,thats quite funny.

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That joke is about two weeks old, come back with a new joke.

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That home was on last week

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Don`t give up your day job.

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Funny Miko that seems to be where most of the Celtic fans have been living lately. I was there at nine in a row.

WATP

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19 Feb 2012 20:17:35
Couple of posts on here today reminding us all that it is far from a forgone conclusion that Rangers will lose the big tax case.

Craig Whyte must be praying that Rangers lose it - after all if Rangers win the tax case then the only reason we're in administration will be his catastrophic management of the club.

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19 Feb 2012 19:55:16
Pappy i though ts sentence was longer mate

WE ARE THE PEOPLE

jacko

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19 Feb 2012 19:52:44
where are all the millionaire ex players, coaching staff and managers that made millions out of rangers must be at least 100 of them or more. they are forever telling you how much they loved the club. not enough to put their hands in their pockets though eh

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Don't be silly!

Miko x

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The club possibly owe ( big tax case Inc) 80 mil plus, how many ex players would have to give and how much would u expect them to give? If a company u used to work for was in trouble would u put ur hand in yer pocket? Ridiculous post. L1888

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19 Feb 2012 19:48:40
2 lubo25 on the thing about staff getting a tax bill the answer is no, this happened in my work several years ago, our work tried 2 get us 2 pay but we told them 2 take a flying f*** 2 themselves & the taxman said there was f*** all they could do about it unless they had our consent 2 take money out of our wages on a weekly basis 2 pay it up, so if Mr Whyte has collected the money he will have 2 pay it but I don't know what happens now he has put us in admin, think the adminastrators will have 2 cut a deal with the taxman. I work for a global company so it was about 150k between all workers that had 2 be written off which is adrop in the ocean 2 them but 9 million thats a different ball game
NTYABOW

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Good to hear that bud ,as for swiss toni if he held back the money they should seize his assets and by that i mean his castle cars yacht chase him for the money not your club.and if what has been posted elsewhere that McCulloch and Papac have offered to play for less to save other people's job then my hat i tip to them both,again i will say this i enjoy the banter and have a good laugh but i want to see your club get through this ,i dont want any titles from years gone by removed nor is this years title tainted.it will take a few years for your club to get back from the bother thats going on just now. but a few years pain to save 140 years history im sure you will agree is worth taking

Lubo25

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Agree with this m8, but do you know what gets me, up 2 a few weeks ago I was 1 who would give Mr Whyte the benefit of the doubt, as I would not believe any1 who was sane would do what he has done, lets not forget this guy sat with supporters groups & told them 2 their faces that admin was a possibility but he had other plans before this would happen, now I have not got a clue what this guy is thinking but 1 thing I do know is he is mental! he is doing things that make no sense whatsoever, you are correct that they should chase him for his assets, if I seen him in the street I would seize his assets with a f***in pair of pliers & would not let go, although I would not have given up on the title when we where 4 points behind I think it would have been a big ask considering the way you's are playing & the inconsistency we are showing,when we come out of admin with hopefully new owners I would hope they would back SUPERALLY with money it doesn't have 2 be crazy money but enough 2 bring in experience I don't think we would be that far away considering the strength of the league so enjoy your gloating because it won't last
NTYABOW

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19 Feb 2012 19:44:32
Broon yhoda...you call me an angry man who doesn't know what double standards are,your clearly deluded ma man.As soon as soon as someone posts something positive about rangers,ie something you don't want to hear you get all biscuity arsed,refusing to believe calling people mugs and what not for expressing opinions or posting what the've heard getting your green and white thong in a twist that's anger son.your team won 5 nil the day but your more interested in what's happening here ya mad cardboard cut out ae a Celtic fan go and take yer maws high heels aff and post yer Celtic minded pash on yer own site walloper

WE ARE THE PEOPLE

jacko

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Well said

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@jacko;what a tirade of angry rhetoric ma man(really,you still in the disco era?).i have backed the decent gers fans on this site and stated all i axpect is money owed,paid back.positives for rangers;i cant see you folding,i think mccoist will have to play GOOD young players(ness,perry and i thought mcmillan was ok),you will stabilise and be stronger.there you go.happy?and you need to lose that WATP rubbish,cos your not.............green jhedi

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Well said? you standing behind him patting his back?........green jhedi

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19 Feb 2012 19:42:52
TALK SPORT have been told 8 epl teams also have EBT's and are about to deals with HMRC rangers waching with intrest

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Spurs,everton are two teams i know of.

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19 Feb 2012 19:36:02
The league's gone why don't we
forfeit the rest of the games
to save money probably still finish
4 or 5th no Europe anyway.

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If you finish 2nd you will get more prize money than 4th or 5th
so there is a lot still to play for
im not saying we have won the league already but i do think we will win it in about 6 or 7 games time

Lubo25

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19 Feb 2012 20:14:30
What's the rangers fans thoughts on finishing 3rd ? 6 points behind Motherwell who have a game in hand & who also beat hearts 3-0 ?

Also who will go down ? Hibs or dunfermline ?

Lenny

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Still think rangers will be 2nd, hibs for the drop. TS

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I fancy Motherwell for second, and Dunfermline to drop.

Got soft spot for Hibs as they helped form our great club and we stole all there good players in 1888!

DazzaBhoy

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19 Feb 2012 19:14:38
We need Paul murry and his investors in really soon or we will have no players things seem to be moving fast the way things stand it looks very bleak am very worried about this admi will rip the hole work force apart not just players .if you think it's bad just now it's only going to get worst a think about 7or 8 players will be released through the week prob loose about 3or4 coaches as well god knows how many office staff if it was down to me a would start with the board .. KennyRFC

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I hope the loss of said coaches does not have a detrimental effect on our free flowing pass and move football, after spending the last few years perfecting dire football it really would be sad to think we could leave this behind,Every cloud........

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"our free flowing pass and move football" ........ sorry what club do you support? Certainly not Rangers you're talking about.

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Someone doesn`t know sarcasm when it hits them in the face.

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You having a laugh mate? paul murray? he was part of the board under whyte when all this latest sh it started last may. do you really believe that he and alastair johnston did NOT know that the PAYE and NI were not being paid? and if they even suspected it why didn't they come out and tell us what was going on? i suspect they were probably in fear of being sued and losing some of their own personal wealth. just like whyte another couple of self centred chancers who should never be allowed to darken the door at ibrox ever again

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19 Feb 2012 19:09:50
a pound coin was thrown on to the pitch at ibrox yesterday. police are investigating whether it was a missile or a takeover bid. ha ha. gotta laugh or al cry. graeme

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Even made me smile

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Noticed your posts before and thought you might be a Bear. Not sure now , we dont usually throw coins at people as a support we leave that to the other mob . usually Tynecastle although not often reported by Scottish press . If you are a Bear how possibly can you find anything funny about our present situation . Last weekend visited my niece who returned home with her newborn son who spent a week in intensive care . I presented wee man with his colours with his name on . This weekend i spent with my Grandaughter we listened to game together and although gutted by result i told her , we keep fighting , these colours never run , she also wore her colours with pride . What saddened me most was the knowledge that a handfull of cowards, liars ,thiefs ,and cheats, might mean my club might not exist. Shame on those people, all my family wear their colours with pride as do the vast majority of Rangers fans around the country , aye around the world . I actively support a full inquiry into this mismanagement of our club and would be delighted to see guilty parties end up in court . We are hurting now as a support , and our enemies want us removed .I take this as a compliment because they know like Mr Lawwell that would let celtic win everything , utopia for a tim , but how boring . I will choke saying this but i would never want no celtic because you have nothing to look forward to, as long as you win, and results clearly show we have a rivalry the envy of the football world . Loved my Rangers family on Saturday , best family in world , we will save our club , especially for the weans who deserve to enjoy like we have .

Highland Bear

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19 Feb 2012 19:13:47
the old story, when your down you get no luck.

We scored 2 GOOD goals yesterday and Papac's red card was very harsh. It was NOT a two footed open stud tacked as was described on radio yesterday, but hey when your down EVERYONE wants to kick you.

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As soon as papac made the tackle i said to the boy next to me its a red. haven't seen a replay since tho. as for applauding the guy as he walked off the park....ffs never known anything like it. imagine if it was edu, broadfoot or mcculloch? they'd be public enemy number 1. really annoys me that certain players get away with sendings off n poor performances like papac yesterday n davis all season yet guys like i mentioned edu, mcculloch n broadfoot get abuse for the odd misplaced pass now n again.
j1985

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Iv gota say i think papac is mr steady - but yesterday let us down - the one day we really needed him.

ryanrfc

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Odd misplaced pass, my god Broadfoot has cost us games remember St Mirren at Ibrox. The guy is a liability and hopefully is the first one out the door.

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19 Feb 2012 18:52:49
Not the it really matters but watching it back; Healy is not offside for his goal and there is no foul at the corner McCulloch scored from. Papac, for me was a clear red card but Gordon should have been sent off 3 minutes from time for a two footed tackle. All in all a classic display from Ian Brines.

GovanFR

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.......and the excuses just keep coming!

Miko x

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You have a cheek Miko, what is it never defeated always cheated, you lot have wrote the book on it. Ger4ever

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19 Feb 2012 18:38:35
think we should fill out ibrox till the end of the season , but refuse to take any away tickets just to prove how much they would miss us . say 7000 fans at 30 quid a go 210000 plus catering and program sales looking at about quarter million bound to have thier chairman worried

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That's really grown up. Try and cause damage to other clubs as well. Pathetic.

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And they are backing us right enough in getting out of our self inflicted problems

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Wake up, obviously a dig at Liewell and Thomson

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19 Feb 2012 18:38:08
Am I the only one on here who doesn't mind the Celtic fans posting on it? It is a banter site after all, we give it when we are up and they give it when they are up. One of the great things about the Old Firm rivalry.

GovanFR

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@GovanFR;usual sensible post from you mate! your down and getting it,3 months ago we were getting it,thats lifefor sane people.good luck.....green jhedi

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Well said govan fr.

Lenny

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No objection to banter but detest the bitterness and hatred from supporters of both sides

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19 Feb 2012 18:33:37
Jeezo, this site is either supposed rangers fans moaning about how bad we are, sack mccoist, blah blah blah or full of green jehdi or miko and the likes slating our team.
Why don't the real fans support our team through these difficult times just like the 50,000 on sat or like the biggest fan of all, super ally!
Everything taking place will affect the team, in any career or workplace if the morale is down, everyone suffers. Give the players and ally a break!
Rangers till I die!

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Ally is a good man but he has lost us aload of points way his tactics of playing players out of postion if ure happy way that then fine but there alot of people that are not
if u get a new player he should be straight in the team in his postion this never happens way rangers if players not good anuf dont get them in and go way youth

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Yeah just like the 50000 who walked away early.

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I loved Ally as a player like all rangers fans but just because you support the club should not mean you get one of the coaching roles , it has been a tough year off the pitch, at times it has been painful on the pitch as well, has anyone spotted a system or style to our play if they have could they write it down for me ,I have looked long and hard but I don't see a plan just a collection of guys not sure what they are meant to be doing.centre backs at full back left backs wide left ,David Healy ffs another one that is a fan but should he be near any team let alone ours .

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19 Feb 2012 18:24:45
Rangers manager Ally McCoist has fined Sasa Papac £49 million for his red card yesterday.

Lubo25

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League cup final 1973 , dundee v celtic , attendance , 27,000 , lowest ever attendance fr a major cup final in scotland , tedbear

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Tedbear what is your point exactly??

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The point was that at that particular time celtic wer winning 9 in a row coz we wer pure rank at the time but your so called. greatest fans in the world couldny be bothered turnin up , so nae strong rangers and the games a boagy ,

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Ted bear .....sorry bud but i got to disagree that we were pure rank when mhanky mob were doing 9 in a row. during those years we reached two euro finals and semis on another two occasions. they were just a wee bit better than us at the time and it just seemed we were really bad cos it was them that was winning title every year. ask yourself or one of them what did they do in europe during our 9 in a row. did they ever qualify for europe in those years? lol

billyboy

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19 Feb 2012 18:24:27
Tics are like my mates birds... The longer you ignore them the better the chance the skhanks will leave you alone! PaulRFC

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Motherwell fan hear were going to catch you for 2nd place before your next game

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Your mates havnt got any women(birds,really?).

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So your mates birds are skanks, whats their numbers.

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We are here and here to stay, i doubt very much if you have any mates and the decorative term "birds" just sums you up

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19 Feb 2012 17:51:52
Up here in the north east if there has been one good thing to come out of this - all the supporters from all other clubs have shown nothing but disbelief and disgust at what has happened to our club. So, Mr Whyte, you may well have done more good for the anti-sectarian cause than any other - uniting people from all clubs, religions and creeds in absolute disgust at your actions!

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Thats why rangers fans were singing secterian songs was it?

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Where in the north east?
TODD88

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19 Feb 2012 17:50:05
Let's hope it's another sellout against hearts we must keep selling ibrox out until the end of the season yesterday day was what it was like ten year ago. Doesn't matter if Celtic won 5 nil ten nil or 40nil I couldn't give a toss because we are the people and we dont do walking away

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Great post, should be selling games out every week anyway in my opinion - understandable with the recession that people cant afford though

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Ibrox was half empty ten mins to go yesterday, you dont do walking away lol.

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We don't do walking away either, we will never walk alone......
Bhrydobhoy

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A lot of walked away rather early yesterday

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I think you'll see there won't be any more sell outs after sat, I mean comon you turned up full house yesterday and look how u were repaid?
I'd be peed aff if it was my team that's for sure. Plus the wAy you lot r playing there's nit a team out there just now who doesn't fancy taking points aff ya now too. You know all this is true if your honest man??
CB

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CB we are the Rangers family maybe you were a orphan . Now we know our money going in will help the club we will support , make no mistake , you are misguided , or deluded , or your head is up your arsenal . We are Rangers . We will survive , we will fight back , we will hold accountable all the clubs who vote against us because of MR Lawwell , he has been phoning friends . Thats good , when this is sorted we will know who to trust and when we assume our rightfull position as Scotlands no 1 club , this present position is temporary so enjoy , ice cream and jelly wtf . As a club we have been a benifactor to many clubs since our birth . But that was in a bygone day . Take us on, if you dont kill us THE RANGERS will be back bigger better stronger and run by the family .

Highland Bear

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Let's just see the crowds from now till the end of the season then eh?
Plus my point got as many agrees as disagrees ya nugget?
Lots of love
Cb

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19 Feb 2012 17:42:17
global strength of feeling for RFC. For a man who allegedly likes to keep "below the radar" he has scored a massive own goal! I have one major worry however, can anyone confirm that we definitely own Murray Park and Ibrox and that they have not been transferred to a "parent company".

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You won't find out thst one for sometime I think?
cB

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The Administrators confirmed on Friday that we own both Ibrox and Murray Park. I remember because i'd always though that David Murray might have had some joint ownership of Murray Park. Muzz

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19 Feb 2012 17:37:09
hello bears , just want your thoughts on this team for the next old firm game at ibrokes . zaluska,, cha,,loovens..majstoravic..izaguirre..mccourt..commons..ki..samaras..bangura..brozek.. subs.. cervi..lustig..mcgeouch..juarez..rassmussen. thats the good news , bad news is none of them started today for the champions . hail hail billybhoy

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The Loovens bit shot the whole post down.

Bosley.

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Ha bet that felt good to call yourself champions (even tho you're not). It's been a long time it's a shame for you it really is. Enjoy it while it lasts because it won't be long!
Blue nose mark

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Oooooh don't tease I'd love to see that team. McCourt is a joke, loovens is about as useful as Dan Eggen was for us, if we leave a KFC in the away dressing room that will distract Commons, and Bangura? The wrong one yeh?

GovanFR

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And what possibly makes you think this won't,ast long? Is this cos Simon cowell is due to come in and save yous aye?
CB

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Naw because you are s#*# and the only reason u can win the league for the first time in 4 years is because it's handed to u on a plate.
Not long ago I remember Lennon was ready for getting sacked when u were getting pumped off Kilmarnock.
Now u are on a wee run u think ur Barcelona, trust me it won't last!

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Its lasted 16 games!!

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19 Feb 2012 17:35:43
ED001, talking to my Rangers pals
last night about this Ticketus thing,
they said most fans are in two minds
whether to buy season tickets if
club does not get money, instead
their idea is to buy tickets on an
individual basis for all home games
next season. My argument to them
is that as Ticketus are owed this
money they will simply ask Rangers
to pay from ticket money collected.
How do you read the situation as
regards this? Timalloy {Ed001's Note - I believe you are correct, that they own all ticket sales rights, so they should just get the tickets by the cheapest method. Though no one knows for sure without seeing the contract, there will be an NDA in place to stop people revealing details.}

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So you are saying your mate knows 40,000 season ticket holders or most what you said pmsl. Away you go and stop talking rubbish. Timmmmm we all know youve no got mates even the Celtic posters will back me up on that one.

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Timalloy you are full of sh!t.
1 you don't have mates,
2 you don't have RFC mates.
3 You've just read from posts and regurgitated it here as your own.
4 You hate RFC.
5 You're going to the EPL
6 I've seen what you've posted in your own page.
7 All your mates are virtual - they don't count.
8 This is now boring.
Iam Legend

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19 Feb 2012 17:28:20
Reading all the respectable papers today can see this rangers situation is going to become a huge political pawn in the independance debate , Cameron or salmond not want to be seen to be destroying rangers , Cameron has huge political clout and in the scheme of things concerning Britain breaking up 49 million small fare so would not be surprised if some phone calls go in from downing street to hmrc to drop interest and penalty payments even if the case goes against rangers. Also concerning hmrc appealing this may be dropped through pressure from downing street. Since very few Celtic men will support a no vote , Cameron's advisers would inform him not to antagonise the loyalist vote. Also salmond d does not want the rangers vote to go against him either as he will not get the 51% vote he needs so interesting times indeed, before people ridicule this think before you post trust politicians as much as i trust whyte. We have backed the union since out conception so a bit of backing would only be right from the union

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Well that's wrong in my opinion.... If we are found guilty of tax evasion we should be made to pay it back am no talking pence in the pound p!ss... The only way to rid the shame an get the clubs respect back would be to pay it back.... It will be brutal make no mistake but it has to an must be done.... IF an that's IF we are found guilty. PaulRFC

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@Paulrfc; no wonder your getting stick from your own fans mate. another very sensible,honest post.respect.......green jhedi

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PaulRFC, it may seem cheap but we won't pay it back, the club simply cannot afford to.

GovanFR

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Lets hope we win the tax case pay off the creditors and get rid of whyte and have somebody respectable as chairman without conspiracy debates from the other side bb.blue

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19 Feb 2012 17:26:48
Is it now possible, Ally feels he can now talk about what Whyte has been up to without fear of sack as he may have some insider information about a buyout by someone else and that his job is seccure.

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Hopefully that is the reason....either that or he is so fed up with what is going on with our club that he is past caring about himself!....

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19 Feb 2012 17:15:46
I'm not looking forward to next old firm game we are going get pumped, and yes I am REAL fan.

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Listen mate see if killie could counter attack we would of got smashed y-day so I agree drastic improvements needed or that lot will destroy us. PaulRFC

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Lets not get hysterical. Celtic are nothing special, we beat them with ease at Ibrox and the only reason they won at PorkHead was because the linesmen didn't give us our goal. Lafferty will be back, Ness as well, maybe even Whittaker. Potentially;
McGregor
Whittaker Goian Bocanegra Papac
Davis Edu Ness Wylde
Aluko
Lafferty

That team can do the business against them.

GovanFR

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19 Feb 2012 16:46:57
Seen that celtic ed's bben sayin we'v spent all sorts over the past 5 seasons lol says we'v spent 33 million 2 million less thn them . And 09/10 season when we got rothen on loan and nobody else ? He says we spent 7 million haha. The guys just tryin to find an excuse for them loosin the title to a club on the brink fur 3 year lol

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Look up the figures before you LOL mug. ed's right..........green jhedi

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He is right but most of that money was made up from the one season where we signed; Davis, Edu, Mendes, Lafferty which is apporx £13 million on it's own. It isn't an excuse we have had four bad years financially and won the league three times, they missed a big opportunity.

GovanFR

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Over last 5 seasons :
Celtic spent 35+ mill received 35mill / profit of 250k.

Rangers spent 33mill received 20mill not including jela fee

Keeping in mind gers squad is very basic compared to celtics large squad ? More sell on value etc

I say rangers should field all youngsters next year it may take 2-3 years to won something but this is the best time to do this

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He is actually correct ya numpty? As jed says look it up? All the wee buys here n there all add up.
CB

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All true it surprised me when I looked at figs ? But think amount players came / went in last 5 years ie mendes , ferguson , Thompson , miller , cousin , darchaville etc to name a few

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19 Feb 2012 16:21:36
Green jhedi do you actually post anything on your own site? I can honestly say I have only ever looked at your page once, I have never returned.

I honestly find it fascinating that so many of you are on this site.

GDog
WATP

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Ano fs. I've posted god knows how much abuse about green jhedi being a fkn pest, doesnt get posted though haha, to contravertial.
Dtp89 {Ed001's Note - nothing controversial about abuse, it is just pathetic.}

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Him an that taco just get ignored on there on site man.. They come on this site looking for arguments then the f&cking second they see something they disagree with their straight on google to try prove their right then that's how they get their satisfaction in life.... It really is quite sad I wonder what they did before google was invented.. That taco even comes on here quoting a dictionary ffs that says it all. PaulRFC

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Hello boys........im back. i post on both pages but expected nothing less than these two comments.glad im under your skin.............green jhedi

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Here,here Ed.It's called banter,if you don't like it then don't read it.Look at the crap that gets posted on other sites,this is no more than what you would say to your friends if they supported the opposition.As long as it doesn't go too far then everyone should be welcome on all the pages on this site.Life's too short.

Jungle Bhoy.

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Nothing wrong with having a look over on the dark side and having a laugh!! Ha ha,ooops there a go again.....
Green jehdi talks sense wether its on the side or in paradise! Theres a few good guys, if your not blinkered you'll realise that!
Going with some of the stuff I've heard and read, r@ngers will still win the league!!!!!!!!!!! Ha ha what a joke some of use guys are........
Let's all do the bouncy (cheque)

Big bad john

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Paulrfc (in administration)....the reason i quoted from a dictionary was because i had no idea why sceptic would be in administration, i thought it was a typo, but then i thought 'nah, surely people can't be so full of hate that they can't even say a particular name?'

and by the way paulrfc (in administration), i don't need google for anything i post on here, a good education and decent upbringing is enough to bring to this table:)

apology accepted


taco

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19 Feb 2012 16:15:14
Another thing aswell don't come on here questioning my loyalty mate there's about 10.000 "fans" need told there's 90 mins in a match not 80mins, that was shocking to see an another 20,000 thousand need told that booing like that at fulltime is not what's needed either!

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But it is funny.artybhoy

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Any booing was directed at the referee not at the rangers players, who actually stayed on the pitch to applaud the fans in return - further booing started when kenny shields ran across to the killie fans and celebrated as tho they had won the bloody champions league

Bill72

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They were boeing the officials , typical makeing stories up.

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19 Feb 2012 16:09:16
@NTWABOW I don't do walking away either mate ofcourse il be back the mega bus is booked to save me money but I stand by what I say (without drink) questions need to be asked about the lack of motivation it stunned me. An aye man I'm "up to no good" in your words.... Ok then ya rocket. PaulRFC

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PaulRFC thats great you will be back but you see the football at IBROX has been shocking all season, it has nothing 2 do with lack of motivation & I will give you an example when kerkar came on yesterday he done more running & tackling in the time he was on than I have seen from some of our players all season, so it is down 2 the players when they cross the line not the manager or coaching staff, when I play football m8 I don't stop shouting from first min 2 last min thats me but the only 2 who do it in our team are shagger & big jig, I remember during 9 in a row every player done it & thats why we won 9 in a row because they fought from first 2 last wasn't always pretty but it got done but as I say I am glad you will be back ya super charged rocket
NTYABOW

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19 Feb 2012 16:08:04
yeah great league the spl.......tic blowin rubbish hibs away as usual.....and thats at easter rd.....and they dont need rangers....THERES NAEBODY ELSE JUST DUFFERS

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19 Feb 2012 16:05:53
we as rangers fans deserve better than what we get from our players athink we should giv the young lads agame from now on athink they could do a better job and mccoist bewilders me way playing papac an wallace he doesnt no how to change agame and he just stands there way arms folded start way perry hemmings burrows macabe and wylde gives us sum energy that we need nuthing to lose now

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19 Feb 2012 16:00:23
I'm going to say something politically incorrect, could fellow bears stop moaning about setic and all there followers gloating about our troubles. If the roles were reversed and rangers were playing today Iwould be exactly the same, so enjoy your fun Timothy at our expense just remember next year when you look down at the other end of your pig sty we will still be there flying the same flags and banners and singing the same songs and pumping your team. So enjoy it for now I assure you it won't last

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Think you,ll find it will last.artybhoy

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What songs would that be? the usual bigoted nonsense you love so much?..........green jhedi

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19 Feb 2012 15:46:49
@GDog I don't think it was the drink mate coz I'm feeling the same now... Ally shouldn't of even had to give a team talk y-day man the noise inside the ground should of been enough... That first half was a disgrace to the royal blue mate... Player sent of blah blah not interested... We have one f&cking player in aluko an if he doesn't play we don't play... I ain't seen any replays yet but the goal we got from the corner looked alrite to me (maybe it wasn't though).. As for bentfoot, he's awful....Davis tried harder second half but still no use.. If you can't lift your team on an occasion like that then there has to be questions asked... Killie could of won that game 4-0. PaulRFC

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100% agree


TB

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19 Feb 2012 15:46:29
Given yesterdays performance, I'd drop Goian and play Perry (sent Bartley back to Arsenal). I'd also like to see us play Wylde, Hemmings, Bedoya and McCabe play for the rest of the season, we have nothing to play for and we may as well get the younger guys playing in the SPL, it's good experience for them and may benefit the club in the long run.

GovanFR

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19 Feb 2012 15:42:13
Hi bears, we've had some great times supporting our team over the years, and they will eventually be good times again. It may be tough for a few years, but f*** it, its still our team, and no matter how tough it gets, at least we'll be there together standing by our great team.

RTID

Jay
Glasgow

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19 Feb 2012 15:27:53
EBTs are believed to have been run by around 5,000 businesses in the UK, including football clubs south of the Border. They became illegal in December 2010 but, until then, firms had been able to exploit the tax laws to provide sums to employees without PAYE or National Insurance as long as these were in the form of discretionary, repayable loans. At the tax tribunal, HMRC argued Rangers use of them for nine years was, in fact, a way to help mostly foreign players evade tax on salaries and bonuses. The source, who is not connected to Rangers but had clients who benefited from EBTs, claims that this entirely misrepresents the scheme in operation at Ibrox. It was totally and absolutely correctly administered, and the club met all their legal responsibilities and complied with all tax laws, said the source. They took advice from top-notch lawyers and a whole battalion of the best accountants on a global level.

I have read a lot that isnt true about how Rangers were supposed to have misused them. They werent written into the players contracts of employment. They were totally separate. Money in any EBTs was not a salary sacrifice. The EBTs were independently administered offshore in Guernsey. I have heard it said that players had letters stating they did not have to pay these loans back. The tax commission hammered away at that but made no headway because these letters categorically do not exist.

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19 Feb 2012 15:22:23
Why dont Rangers get every away game beamed back to ibrox .... We pay our own club to watch and the rest of scottish football get he haw ( coz they dont need us so they wont bother if we dont spend any money on away tickets, catering, programmes, etc,etc) c'.mon guys lets start to sort this out ourselves.

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Why would you want to hurt the caley an motherwells they've done nothing to deserve a boycott do you not think we are shamed enough mate. PaulRFC

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Would do it specifically to hurt others but we have got to look after ourselves - no one else is. The route of all this lies in the big tax case and there is nothing to say we have or will actually loose this but we have already paid one hell of a price. This is feeling more and more like persecution.

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19 Feb 2012 15:03:23
Just a wee question answer believeable if you agree or unbeleivable if u dont.

i was peeved to see gordon smith and ali russell sitting in there seats at ibrox, i would have thought they would be with their friend mr whyte, i personnally dont want to see any of whytes board at ibrox.

your thoughts plz.

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There lucky I was in no fit state to see them... PaulRFC

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19 Feb 2012 15:02:51
follow follow we will follow rangers for ever and more come on the gers

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19 Feb 2012 14:56:30
cant belive sound coming from smelltic lmfao
last few seasons complaining everyone against them
1.get allowed back in europe after getting knocked out
2.Goals not given ie gers etc
3.10 points deducted from gers
but still there talking about titles being striped from gers we dont need gers etc sounds sour grapes to me, but on that note congrats to them on devauled title we will be back , dont know when , but hey keep calm and follow on

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Your post says all about the confidence you have in your club, you don't know when ....

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I would start to worry about Motherwells devalued runners-up. Cos the title was won the second that ball came off Joe Ledleys head.

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They are just an unhappy bunch no matter what.

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19 Feb 2012 14:46:08
hears some good news for all us bears hopefully clear some things up the ebt case

A KEY witness at Rangers’ tax tribunal over the use of Employee Benefit Trusts (EBTs) has told Scotland on Sunday he believes the club can still win the case that could otherwise land them a bill for more than £50 million from Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs.


The source, who asked not to be named with a judgment still possibly two weeks away, called into question owner Craig Whyte’s implication of the so-called “big tax case” in the Ibrox club’s plunge into administration last week. HMRC insisted that the reason was a further £9m in unpaid tax accrued since Whyte took over the club last May.

“Until a fortnight ago, it was widely reported that Rangers’ chances of winning the tribunal were 50-50, now it is said they will lose,” the source said. “Yet nothing can have changed in that intervening period, with the tribunal ending last month [18 January]. It has been said Whyte must have got wind of the outcome ahead of the club being placed in administration, but he can’t have done so. The opinion of the judges must remain strictly confidential until they make public their decision. If Rangers won the EBT case, their future should have been secure. Now it won’t be and, in that scenario, serious questions must be asked of Whyte.”

The source says there are “myths” about how EBTs were administered when Sir David Murray owned Rangers, and that HMRC made “no headway” in convincing the three judges who will decide if these were operated in a manner that changed them from a legal tax avoidance loophole to a tax evasion scheme.

EBTs are believed to have been run by around 5,000 businesses in the UK, including football clubs south of the Border. They became illegal in December 2010 but, until then, firms had been able to exploit the tax laws to provide sums to employees without PAYE or National Insurance as long as these were in the form of discretionary, repayable loans. At the tax tribunal, HMRC argued Rangers’ use of them for nine years was, in fact, a way to help mostly foreign players evade tax on salaries and bonuses. The source, who is not connected to Rangers but had clients who benefited from EBTs, claims that this entirely misrepresents the scheme in operation at Ibrox. “It was totally and absolutely correctly administered, and the club met all their legal responsibilities and complied with all tax laws,” said the source. “They took advice from top-notch lawyers and a whole battalion of the best accountants on a global level.

“I have read a lot that isn’t true about how Rangers were supposed to have misused them. They weren’t written into the players’ contracts of employment. They were totally separate. Money in any EBTs was not a salary sacrifice. The EBTs were independently administered offshore in Guernsey. I have heard it said that players had letters stating they did not have to pay these loans back. The tax commission hammered away at that but made no headway because these letters categorically do not exist.”

The Rangers Tax Case blog, which has covered the situation exhaustively for almost two years, claimed the “smoking gun” for HMRC was a number of letters indemnifying players from any future tax liabilities on money placed in their EBTs.

The source insisted: “There is nothing unusual in that as it is always employees who set the schedule basis for tax and there was no great gain for the players.”

But the source also admitted: “The very slight weakness is that the administrators in Guernsey weren’t always as diligent in their book-keeping as they should have been. Players buggered off back to Argentina, Italy and Australia and they didn’t keep track of these movements, as was incumbent on them. This was tightened up, though, over time.”

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19 Feb 2012 14:38:17
Ed's I think It's time for you boys to have a well deserved holiday. Green jhedi will steady the ship from now on, with his expertise in moral foundations. His ability to fully adjudicate all posts without bias So take a bow boys and let green jhedi take over the reins. God knows he comes cheap.

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I have a rather sore testical, and my telly is on the blink.

I was rather hoping that Green Jhedi, being the font of all knowledge, could impart some of his wisdom in my current plight.

Bosley.

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Nail hit right on the head his so called banter is nothing short of pathetic.But hey you know what they say about opinions they are like ar****les and every one has one.Shaun H

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What a truly pathetic trio.nice to know your rattled.i have posted with plenty decent gers fans here, govanfr,paulrfc,pappy nytabow,to name a few. bosley;might i suggest you read a book? and as for your one teste,get rid.i cant see you needing it..............green jhedi

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At my age your 100% right Green Jhedi, the font of all knowledge, the main point being most here don`t really want to hear your comments, which started of pretty constrictive but now most boarder on abusive.
If you can`t refrain from calling people `Mug` or `Muppet` when they are voicing their view or opinion, then stick to posting on your own board.

Bosley.

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@bosley;if someone gives me clog then i give it back.most of your fans cant deal with the fact that if you had listened to the warnings you would not be in this mess.this is also a banter page,and believe me we took enough "banter" when you were 15 points ahead.i also post in defence of neil lennon as the abuse he gets is nonsense.i do not condone the morons in our support who "up the ra" and dont see why i should put up with your bigots on an open site........green jhedi

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Indeed your right bosley, the man has the manners of a Armenian least weasel. How can you have a battle of wits with a unarmed man. Covbear

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19 Feb 2012 14:33:55
Sorry guys a meant to leave my name after posts about Celtic mhankys Broon yhoda n that on here talkin shyte a asked ed to add it in another post because i forgot. my bad! WE ARE THE PEOPLE

jacko {Ed001's Note - I saw that post only after I had already posted the original one so couldn't add it on sorry.}

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19 Feb 2012 13:43:16
Looks like Rangers could still
win £50m tax case. - 'Well fan

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19 Feb 2012 13:44:04
Some of the hysteria in today's media and on fans forums with regards to HMRC not wanting to wind up Rangers through liquidation and some investor coming in to buy the club and take them out of administration completely misses one very relevant point.

Craig Whyte owns 85% of Rangers, and even if a deal is done with HMRC, it will be Criag Whyte who decides Rangers future.

It may well be that at some future point it is discovered that he has done something illegal in his takeover, but as things stand just now, it will be Craig Whyte who calls the shots.

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Administrator can sell club to anyone interested craig whyte has no say.

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Thought it was the administrators that decided what was the best deal for the club, craig whyte lost that when he put us into admin

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Correct he owns 85% but surley fans can make him sell but we all need to wait fof awnsers first ?

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We can force him out tho

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Administrators only have the authority to run the club, Whyte still owns it.

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Administrators can only sell the club if it goes into liquidation.

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Paul murray to talk to administrators during the week to see how much it would cost to buy rangers if whyte was still in full control murray would be talking to him so its the administrators who call the shots.

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19 Feb 2012 13:42:03
Very interesting article in today's Scotland on Sunday.

Rangers may yet WIN the big tax case and claims of misuse could be complete and utter nonsense.

link is below fellow bears, see for yourselves....

www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/sport/rangers_administration_key_witness_says_rangers_can_still_win_50m_tax_case_1_2125385

Blue Bear

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19 Feb 2012 13:20:56
Celtic can say what they want rangers fans will always back the rangers when Celtic were in trouble in the 1990 on wards the fans stayed away as for us we came out in the thousands we mite be down but we are not finished we will be back a still hate the Celtic ... Kenny

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Dont stoop to their level m8.

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"a still hate the celtic" you must be so happy......green jhedi

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WHIT??????? gates of 4/5 thousand in the pre Souness days when your team were struggling. Don't talk utter Craig Whyte and learn a bit of history

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19 Feb 2012 13:08:17
Just want to say thanks to all those who posted a response to my original question.

The best of luck with your current situation. Fans of any football club should aways the last people to suffer but usually end up being the first to do so. One of the many flaws of logic with football today.

Thanks again.

Ajeno.

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19 Feb 2012 12:22:08
EBTs are believed to have been run by around 5,000 businesses in the UK, including football clubs south of the Border. They became illegal in December 2010 but, until then, firms had been able to exploit the tax laws to provide sums to employees without PAYE or National Insurance as long as these were in the form of discretionary, repayable loans. At the tax tribunal, HMRC argued Rangers use of them for nine years was, in fact, a way to help mostly foreign players evade tax on salaries and bonuses. The source, who is not connected to Rangers but had clients who benefited from EBTs, claims that this entirely misrepresents the scheme in operation at Ibrox. It was totally and absolutely correctly administered, and the club met all their legal responsibilities and complied with all tax laws, said the source. They took advice from top-notch lawyers and a whole battalion of the best accountants on a global level. - Scotsman via 'Well fan.

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And the key words are"repayable loans" murray gave letters saying no payment was due from players ever,thats why it's illegal.........green jhedi

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Have you got proof of these letters Sir David Murray has ment to have sent to the players green jedhead?

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According to the source in the Scotsman, there were no such letters issued to the players.

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Green guy do you no that for a fact have u proof ??


TB

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Hold on he will get back to you after having a quick look on RTC.

Bosley.

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The letters that don't exist you mean green jhedi?...............................

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Awwww don`t say they don`t exist, green jhedi has reliable information form a man he`s never met, he has however blogged him quite a few times, and believes every word this fella types.

Bosley.

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Look fellow bears if the Green Jedhead says its true then off course it must be total expert on everything to do with Rangers.NOT.

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Only going by what a RANGERS SUPPORTING journo said. i dont really care if you exist or die frankly.............green jhedi

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So there you have it.

Green Jhedi just comes on here are re-types what a jurnalist prints.

Plagiarism springs to mind.

Bosley.

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@bosley;try and learn to read,i posted what king SAID NOT WHAT HE HAD WRITTEN! that easier for you?......oh and i would get that grape looked at..........green jhedi

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19 Feb 2012 12:15:15
When are the rest of you going to wake up and realise Ally is not the managerial answer. He continually plays 2 left backs then yesterday pulls the masterstroke of sticking one of them in centre midfield. It then took minutes for him to jump in and see red. What was wrong with taking Healy off who offers you nothing put jig back in centre mid (where he eventually went after papac went off) and put celik up front. McCoist just stands there arms folded looking into
Space no ideas no shouting no instructions the guy is a rangers legend but rangers manager not in my eyes.

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19 Feb 2012 11:42:43
My guess is that Bartley and Papac will be the first 2 players to leave the club this week.

Papac wants to leave at end of season and Bartley is only a loan deal.

After that there will be only another 1 possibly 2 players who will leave.

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I can see possibly 4-5 going..........green jhedi

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19 Feb 2012 11:42:15
With regard to the tax case, lots of people seem to be of the opinion we will come out of it debt free leaving most bills unpaid.

Am I the only bear embarrassed by our unwillingness to do the decent thing and pay our bills.

Great turn out yesterday I thought the team played like a bunch of guys who knew something we don't ie that they are about to have their contracts cancelled.

On a purely cost benefit analysis Steven Naismith could be the first to go as they are paying a guy who can't play!

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The bit you said about Naismith is highly unlikely; what an administrator does is weigh up current cost against potential value. For example; Naismith currently has no value because there is no transfer window open, however when the window opens is his value greater than the wages we will pay him until then. So if we say for arguments sake Naismith is on 15k a week with about 12 weeks to go, that is around £325k so the question is, is he wroth more than that is the transfer window and the answer is yes. Out of contract players, and players who have no resale value are the most likely to go. Possibly McCulloch because he will be a high earner and has no real sale value because of his age.

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19 Feb 2012 11:40:29
Morning ed was at game yesterday worst rangers game a have seen a. Understand the players + staff are going through rough time . Let's tell the truth Celtic would have won the league any way it well gone so why don't we play young players . Perry was good players out on loan that are better than what was on the park young ones would fight for the blue top . For get about cousin £7500 aweek that could be a wage for 2 or 3 young boys a say time for youth to get a chance get shot of dead wood keep back bone Davies Naismith lafferty mcgr whitt a know they are higher paid we need them to bring the youth through . Get this board out really soon a fear for our future hears hoping we live to fight another season .. Kenny the prod

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Davis;wages too high,lafferty;800k if he plays one more game(rumoured),whittaker;wages too high will go.mcgregor will, i think, stay unless he wants to go,naismith cant do anything until his injury clears.............green jhedi

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Good post

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Good post and I totally agree. With the league gone what better time to get some of the youth/prospects into the first team.

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19 Feb 2012 11:18:24
HMRC will allow Rangers to pay up their £49m debt over a number of years to prevent putting the club out of business, according to government sources. (The Times)

A key witness at Rangers' tax tribunal believes the club can still win the tax case and that owner Craig Whyte could not have known the outcome of the tribunal when he put the club into administration. (Scotland on Sunday)

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19 Feb 2012 10:51:15
Want to know what does my nut in bears its these mhawkit yins.. when someone posts something negative like rangers are goin into liquidation or new info has come into light regarding wrong doings at our club you'll see bout 5-10 replys mostly Celtic fans usual lot fartybhoy,broon yhoda,ky lubo and miko way his wee kiss on the end giving it yaldy bout titles being returned tax dodgers cheats and sheer contempt and hatred being spouted with the i told you so financial expert attitude undoubtedly being brainwashed by the ginger john barnes and peter liewell billionaire my ar.se comments.then a positive post gets made about tax case deals ,consortium interests light at end of tunnel the usual lot can't and won't take it bull they cry no way not fair boo hoo never gonna happen your all in denial rangers will never go bust get it up you all get it into your thick heeds we will pull through this mess and come out stronger and ram all the bull sh.it back down your throats WE ARE THE PEOPLE

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Sign your name ah loved it!

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Dear,dear, what an angry man you are!so you are gonna ram it down our throats? THATS WHAT WE ARE DOING...grow up n grow a pair and learn what double standards are................green jhedi( and just for miko XXX)

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Well said mate.artybhoy

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The longest sentence I've ever seen!

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19 Feb 2012 10:46:29
i've got an idea! why don't we all go to the celtic page and talk on there? coz i doubt there any of them on it as there all on here bumping there gums!! see yeez over there! dj

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Banter always welcome,you wanna talk yesterdays game? our upcoming cup final? our 14 point lead?,your euro campaign? tax issues.......nah doubt that. come over the weathers lovely.............green jhedi

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19 Feb 2012 10:35:56
2 Paulrfc, I hope it was the drink talking you see SUPERALLY released a statement 'WE DON'T DO WALKING AWAY' well done m8 you lasted 90 mins can I just say something the football doesn't matter just now we need the fans coming 2 all the home games that are left 2 support the team & the staff who may lose their jobs, but then again I have read a few of your posts & me thinks you could be up 2 no good
NTYABOW

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NTYABOW

for every 1 Paulrfc there's 1000 like you bud.if that is his attitude then better off without him.very true about staff losing there jobs and i'm no tax inspector but if that idiot of man has not been paying all staffs PAYE & Ni does this now mean that all staff will be getting a tax bill sent to them at end of the tax year

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NTYABOW; exactly right.people are losing jobs here...........green jhedi

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19 Feb 2012 10:33:31
Surely Whittekar would be heavily considered by Ally... he is on 25k a week and really doesnt justify that salary on the park, this would allow a huge cut in the wage budget allowing Ally to keep more players. Also if there is any truth in the 800k we owe to Burnley if we play Lafferty 2 more games then surely he has to go to? We cant justify paying wages for a guy we cant afford to pay. Also naismith is staying - we have insurance on him, he wont be going anywhere

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19 Feb 2012 10:30:03
The more i hear and read of this fiasco the more it astounds me.I'm not talking about the tax case or administration,I'm talking about this apparent love from Celtic minded people for HMRC.Since when did they grow respect for anything to do with Her Majesty the Queen or the government offices run under her name.I've been baffled for years at how they have no respect for Queen and country but are quite happy to take her coin.Rangers will be back,stronger,and that's what they should focus on.

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WOW! great post.

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Think you are missing the point, my loyal bear friend. we never sang to the queen, you did, that is why we are so shocked that you dont pay your bills. your queen, your bills. not our queen but we still pay her. give unto caesar what is caesars, or do you not know your bible?

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It's about paying dues mate.i play plenty in tax why should rangers be exempt?...........green jhedi

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19 Feb 2012 10:28:09
So Rangers fans turn out in their thousands to support the team through this crisis but the team don't do the same for us, f+++ them, I won't be back & you cvan all say what you want,m that was a disgrace yesterday.

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19 Feb 2012 10:12:20
behind in the league. skint. chance of no more rangers. cause the owner is an bit of a wheeler dealer. beat by a weak team at home yesterday. worst week in the clubs history. but at least were no celtic. mon the gers. graeme

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Interesting outlook.............green jhedi

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19 Feb 2012 10:07:25
Fellow Bears, interesting article in the
scotsman today. looks liek we still have a good chance of winning the big case

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/rangers_administration_key_witness_says_rangers_can_still_win_50m_tax_case_1_2125385

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Ebt's never became illegal until 2010.... hmmmm... as long as murray never commited tax evasion we may still have a chance of beating the big one

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Well if we are to believe that Whyte is a crook, then one reason for tipping us into Admin would be that we would win the case. If we were to win the case before admin that would mean that Whyte would have to stand up and deliver. If his plan was indeed to strip Rangers down then he would have no interest in winning the case.
It is indeed possible that he believed we would never win the case, then in buying the club he would be able to blame the tax situation for the downsizing of our Rangers.

In tipping the club into admin he gets his way. We will have to wait and see what the revelation is that the administrators were talking about. This will possibly tell us what Whyte has been up to.

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19 Feb 2012 10:03:27
For the sceptic supporters whith no understanding of the tax system.(which will be all cause your dunderheads).EBT,S are widely used by a lot of company's throughout the UK.including football clubs south of the border.they are a tax loophole which only recently hmrc have made moves to prevent tax avoidance (not evasion).these have been used successfully for some time now and unfortunately for rangers they now see £ signs and want to start reclaiming their lost revenue.there is a chance rangers haven't carried out the correct procedure for the use of such trust.however hmrc have to prove that rangers acted in such a manner as to try "evade" paying tax .EBT,S are still used today by companies so to say that if hmrc get their ruling a can of worms will open is an understatement.rangers have not acted unlawfully with the use of such a benefit trust.but potentialy guilty of there management which I feel could be excused in court due to a simple error.hmrc want to win this badly so they can change a loophole they have left open for 20 odd years.I think a huge responsibility falls on them for their incompetence and speed of reaction Or lack of.Stop thinking this case has been won by hmrc (sceptic fans).pipe dreams,Rangers are an institution and will rise to champions soon.to enjoy success you must taste defeat.this is our bitter taste.but will be gone very soon.keep believing.

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It has been stated many times that rangers EBT problems stem from the letters to the players,this constitutes wages which is not what EBT's are to be used for.In doing so rangers have cleared the players in the respect of taxable income and NI contributions.It has also been alleged that some players have been interviewed by HMRC and have given written confirmation that this was part of their salary package.The "smoking gun" as daryl king put it.............green jhedi

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Dunderheads! have you seen some of the posts on your page?..........green jhedi B.SC

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Its a valid point. It has bugged the sh!t out of me too. Rangers are not guily of not paying taxes they are guilty of mismanagement. They have made an error with regards the letter offloading all responsibility to the players. At that point the game changed.

We are not cheats, we have not cheated.

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Aye from you lot.

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19 Feb 2012 09:49:18
Re Lawell / Lennon and "tainted titles"; Previous Celtic boards systematically under reported their gate receipts over a period of decades (check out the Celtic Wiki site) so the cash receipts never went through the books. The average gate for every decade until the 90's was less than 30k, even though the place was always packed. It then shot up when they started using all seater stadia. The only difference between that tax evasion and the EBT case, is that they didn't get caught. Rank hypocrisy.

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Does not make it right..........green jhedi

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Ah wikipedia the most reliable source in the world,or can anyone edit it?just love when people use it as gospel lmao

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19 Feb 2012 09:33:44
Another bad day on the park...when are we going to realise that craig whytes a business man who is only concerned with cash .....the tax case issue is out of our hands ..nothing we can do about it .....now results on the park we can do something about ....mccoist has cost the club millions in lost european revenue....he has thrown away a massive lead in the race for the spl title....he seems to be clueless about tactics on how to change the dynamics of any game ...please ally if you treasure your status in rangers folklore go now and leave us fans in peace before you do any more damage .....this is no job for a rookie especially now

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19 Feb 2012 02:09:43
are ceptic any better now than when we where 14 points in front ? i dont think so. we were good enough at that moment in the league to go so far in front but i did not hear any one shouting that mccoist was the bees nees or the best thing since sliced, now we lagg behind after losing that lead its criminal. f/s look at the state we are in, no one on bench to change a game selling best players , not buying any players also a couple of key players injured, our players captain and leader leaving(did he know ?) and ceptic on a run that requires a wee bit of luck now and then, like wee had when we were in the lead. all i ask is let Ally finish his task with dignity right or wrong he makes his descisions for the good of rangers when i dont think any manager with any pedigree would touch us with a barge pole
super Ally

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Come on man, hiw well would you perform knowing your company was going down the pan, redundances, tax cases, manager in first season, tbreadare squad, this has been all yea. Celtic were very poor at the start of the year and we were fortunate to build up such a lead.

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The difference between the 5th November 2011 and now is , that Celtic have the bit between their teeth , a winning mentality and a great team spirit , Rangers on the other hand are in a right mess , no money , best player sold , current players worried about their futures , Goian not looking to upset about coming off and Papac laughing when sent off yesterday , no cohessian , no goal scoring threat , no chance of beating Celtic to the title , only 6 points clear of Motherwell who have a game in hand , in all honesty in your current situation 3rd place would be an achievement .

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Yes they are better the have went on a 17 game winning run really are u that thick ???

ally was a bad manager at the start europe 15point lead he is the worst manager in rangers history an that my friend is FACT stats dont lie


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19 Feb 2012 01:18:48
Why is it when your team loses you fans come on here at start shouting hate at Lennon? answer me that. dont you see this is the problem with the club/game and what needs out.

he showed support for you in an interview when asked and said he will wait to see if you are found quilty. and stripping the tittles could happen, dont you think there will be some consequences? in the end right is right and wrong is wrong there are no exceptions for certain peopel, for this is what we are all taught, is it not?

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I am glad you said this right is right & wrong is wrong, because although I would accept more punishment if necessary you will not hear me saying anything about hating neil lennon, I don't know the man so I can't hate any1 I don't know personally, but what I will say in some of our fans defence who are saying these things about neil lennon is the hatred coming out towards our club is plain for all 2 see, if you seen my post the other day you would know I am married 2 a catholic & have 2 kids who are catholic, I follow no faith think it's overrated, but as we know the vast majority of celtic fans are of the catholic faith, now I know your faith ask for tolerance & forgiveness for others sins, now no RANGERS supporter has done anything wrong our board old & new have sold us down the swanie & we have 2 carry this burden of hatred towards us through no fault of ours, so yes you are correct they should be no exceptions but as I say maybe a bit of tolerance if you don't want 2 forgive as you will understand it is a trying time for all RANGERS supporters, if it helps I will say sorry for anything that happened as I don't want 2 see clubs out of money through no fault of theirs but I have a different view on the stripping us of titles, I will not go into them yet lets see what happens & then I will give you my view on it
NTYABOW

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It was reporters that asked Neil Lennon about devalue the league not us gers fans . League is yours you will not get argument out off me for that . He also said it was nothing to do with his clud .it is Peter liewell that's mouthing off FACT do you beleave everything you read in the papers

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There will be no titles stripped from Rangers GET OFF THE GLUE !

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A KEY witness at Rangers’ tax tribunal over the use of Employee Benefit Trusts (EBTs) has told Scotland on Sunday he believes the club can still win the case that could otherwise land them a bill for more than £50 million from Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs.

The source, who asked not to be named with a judgment still possibly two weeks away, called into question owner Craig Whyte’s implication of the so-called “big tax case” in the Ibrox club’s plunge into administration last week. HMRC insisted that the reason was a further £9m in unpaid tax accrued since Whyte took over the club last May.

“Until a fortnight ago, it was widely reported that Rangers’ chances of winning the tribunal were 50-50, now it is said they will lose,” the source said. “Yet nothing can have changed in that intervening period, with the tribunal ending last month [18 January]. It has been said Whyte must have got wind of the outcome ahead of the club being placed in administration, but he can’t have done so. The opinion of the judges must remain strictly confidential until they make public their decision. If Rangers won the EBT case, their future should have been secure. Now it won’t be and, in that scenario, serious questions must be asked of Whyte.”

The source says there are “myths” about how EBTs were administered when Sir David Murray owned Rangers, and that HMRC made “no headway” in convincing the three judges who will decide if these were operated in a manner that changed them from a legal tax avoidance loophole to a tax evasion scheme.

EBTs are believed to have been run by around 5,000 businesses in the UK, including football clubs south of the Border. They became illegal in December 2010 but, until then, firms had been able to exploit the tax laws to provide sums to employees without PAYE or National Insurance as long as these were in the form of discretionary, repayable loans. At the tax tribunal, HMRC argued Rangers’ use of them for nine years was, in fact, a way to help mostly foreign players evade tax on salaries and bonuses. The source, who is not connected to Rangers but had clients who benefited from EBTs, claims that this entirely misrepresents the scheme in operation at Ibrox. “It was totally and absolutely correctly administered, and the club met all their legal responsibilities and complied with all tax laws,” said the source. “They took advice from top-notch lawyers and a whole battalion of the best accountants on a global level.

“I have read a lot that isn’t true about how Rangers were supposed to have misused them. They weren’t written into the players’ contracts of employment. They were totally separate. Money in any EBTs was not a salary sacrifice. The EBTs were independently administered offshore in Guernsey. I have heard it said that players had letters stating they did not have to pay these loans back. The tax commission hammered away at that but made no headway because these letters categorically do not exist.”

The Rangers Tax Case blog, which has covered the situation exhaustively for almost two years, claimed the “smoking gun” for HMRC was a number of letters indemnifying players from any future tax liabilities on money placed in their EBTs.

The source insisted: “There is nothing unusual in that as it is always employees who set the schedule basis for tax and there was no great gain for the players.”

But the source also admitted: “The very slight weakness is that the administrators in Guernsey weren’t always as diligent in their book-keeping as they should have been. Players buggered off back to Argentina, Italy and Australia and they didn’t keep track of these movements, as was incumbent on them. This was tightened up, though, over time.”

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Not when we get beat when he opens his mouth about a club that has nothing to do with him can u not remember his comments to smith last year ???


TB

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Why is it when celtic are doing well, you find yerselfs on a rangers rumours page?

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@NTYABOW; Good post.In defence of neil lennon,this is a man who played for N Ireland for years without any problem,until he signed for celtic.Going by your post i would be surprised if you are a bigot given your family circumstances, so im sure you must understand the nonsense lennon has had to endure.letter bombs,bullets in the post,death threats to him and his family,his wife and one year old child snatched from their home and bundled into a special branch car at one am.All because he was a celtic player who played for N Ireland.I hate rangers,but wish no ill to their decent supporters,of whom there are many(i also married a protestant) but the bigots on BOTH sides should realise its'sthe 21st century for chrissake!Is that what they want their kids growing up in? I also was raised a Catholic until i started questioning the part ALL religions have in this world,i now would class myself as an anti-theist,my kids are free to take a religion if thats what they feel is right for them,but not me.There is no doubt decent gers fans have been shafted,and ,in my opinion stripping of titles is nonsense. if theres enough of us sane,normal people around who knows what might happen? peace perhaps?.........green jhedi

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I agree and what fans on both sides or any club for that matter should do is when you see a fellow supporter shouting hate and bigotry call them out on it and say its wrong and stop it for it only hurts the club. change starts with inside so help them realize this.

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19 Feb 2012 00:44:43
rangers are goin to com out of this stronger than ever. what craig whyte is doing is for the great of the club. he will take us through these hard times. make us stable and then sell us to someone who will take us forward. craig whyte is doing the work that no one else wanted to do. this was inevitable and someone has to do the hard work. but he has signed a contract with david murray saying he cannot discuss past dealings with rangers or mr murray, and yet, he has to deal ith constant abuse raisd by the bbc, the daily record and the worst of all, alistair johnston. everyone forgets alistair johnston was brought in as chairman and refused to com over from america, saying he could do the job from america. he was also to blame for saying mr whytes deal was more appealing tan paul murrays!! now hes here with his ' i told you so' attitude. h told no one nothing. he's just want to get his ebb in due to personal issues with whyte, so is careless if he is ruining the good name of rangers.

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So stealing tax is great for the club?? what a fine set of morals you have!

whyte will be doing nothing other than going to jail....mark my words, this little scam he's trying to pull off is bigger than he could ever imagine, he's in way over his head, and so many people are now investigating every part of his life that jail is inevitable

this isn't some wee diddy company that can be scammed of 200k and all you get is a slap on the wrist!


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The good name of rangers? administration,possible liquidation to try and engineer a pence in the pound deal with creditors,a trail of companies and football clubs owed money and sackings of decent working people. and you think he;s doing a great job?............green jhedi

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I'm just back from ibrox mate an I'll tell ya what,,that was the sh!ttest game I've seen in my life cost me a fortune there an back an as long as whytes names even mentioned I'll not be going back,an this may be the drink talking but I'm starting to doubt our management team an our scouts need there p45 shoved rite up there arses. PaulRFC

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Listen to you's all! you's haven't got a clue what goes on, just going on what you read in the daily record! there is no proof anyone has taken anything. you's are only listening to keith jackson and alistair johnston! because rangers are in a bad situation you's look for someone to blame. why not blame the people that left us like this? like murray or bain? craig whyte is doin his best to fix this. yet he is taking this grief to fix a club who are on there knees!, why not listen to the people of rangers, like mccoist, who has said he trusts whyte 100%. and believes he can get us through this. instead of reading the rubbish you read in the daily record. this is not a time for in-fighting, but support and support i will. you can boycott rangers, or point fingers at these people and stop going to the games but your only hurting the club and making it harder for us, we need unity.

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PaulRFC Its the drink mate. Your needed at Ibrox.

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19 Feb 2012 00:24:04
I'm not a financial expert but just wondering...if Ibrox and Murray Park are owned by a parent company, and if the season tickets for next 3/4 years are owned by ticketus...what major assets other than the players are left for the administrators to sell off?

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19 Feb 2012 00:22:40
RANGERS' adminstrators revealed today they have received new information about the club's finances and expect to make an announcement about it sometime next week.

They said the information had been gained overnight and would be looked over in the coming days.

Meanwhile, Rangers fans packed into Ibrox today for the club's first game since announcing it was going into administration. But they were disappointed again when they lost 1-0 to Kilmarnock.

Kilmarnock's Dean Shiels grabbed the only goal of the game to inflict Rangers' first home defeat of the season in the SPL, with a red card for Sasa Papac adding to the misery.

A full house of 50,268 fans turned up at the ground to show their backing for manager Ally McCoist and his players during the club's darkest hour.

Chairman Craig Whyte opted to stay away, saying his priority was to assist administrators Duff and Phelps in any way possible to bring the process to "as speedy a conclusion as possible".

Rangers were forced to call in administrators on Tuesday over an unpaid tax bill of s9 million accrued since Mr Whyte's takeover in May last year.

The new revelations were made by Paul Clark, from administrators Duff and Phelps, made his comments during a media briefing shortly before today's match.

He said: "We have received some information overnight in relation to various monies and various transactions in relation to Rangers Football Club.

"We're going to be looking at all of that information over the coming days and we expect to give some form of announcement during the course of next week.

"But, at the moment, from the financial side of things, we are still working so that we can prepare a proper statement for delivery next week."

McCoist praised fans for their show of support.

He said: "It's fantastic. As pleased as I am, I'm not surprised.

"I make no apologies for being biased - we've got the best support and the best fans in the world.

"There are stories coming out about fans abroad buying tickets for people who can't afford them and sending them back to families and things like that.

"The support, who will always be the most important people at this football club, will show their worth. I've got no doubt about that."

Strathclyde Police said they had not been made aware of any trouble within the ground at today's match.

Whyte's decision not to attend the game followed an announcement from the SFA that it will conduct a full independent inquiry into the activities of Rangers.

The governing body will investigate whether there have been any breaches of its rules and said attempts to obtain information relating to its "fit and proper person" requirement - regarding Whyte - have been restricted by the club's solicitors' failure to share information.

It also emerged this week that former Rangers chairman Alastair Johnston has written to the Crown Office asking for an investigation into the background surrounding the acquisition of the club by Whyte.

A Strathclyde Police spokesman said: "We can confirm that we have been passed information regarding the ongoing situation at Rangers Football Club.

"This is currently being examined. It would be inappropriate to comment further."

But Whyte has insisted he has "absolutely nothing to fear" from any investigation into his takeover of the club.

He said a "fair" investigation would prove that he has always acted in the best interests of the Glasgow club and has "been involved in no criminal wrongdoing whatsoever".

Rangers incurred a 10-point penalty after entering administration and they remain 14 points behind Scottish Premier League leaders Celtic following today's loss.

The club is also awaiting the verdict of a tax tribunal which could cost it s75 million.

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19 Feb 2012 00:21:36
Would not put it past Cameron to ask hmrc to go easy on rangers so not to antagonize rangers supporters so that they vote no to independace just a thought from a raith rovers man who has no link to either side of the old firm

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Aye well that's a sh!te plan if it is one coz most the people I seen today couldn't even spell vote! PaulRFC

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19 Feb 2012 00:18:50
Look up Neuchatel Xamax. Be thankful this will never happen to your club. Because in Britain we tell our clubs get away with this all the time. Things need to be changed.

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19 Feb 2012 00:12:09
Ive been on here a few times for a bit of a laugh, this time i am serious.
Like McCoist or not you have to take your hat off to him for the way he continues to cope with all that is happening with dignity.

SC

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19 Feb 2012 00:01:54
Handed the title aha, the title will be won fair and square, it's the same as previous years the team that finished 1st are the champions end of! No excuses, no ifs or buts, and that's the way it is,(so no excuses when we're winning everything the next few years) just remember we've done nothing wrong!!!!!

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I am a rangers fan but I have to agree, the team at the top of the league cone the end of a season is there for a reason - quite simply because they done enough through the year to earn that place. Hard as it may be to take, points deduction or not we have been below par for 90% of the season while Celtic got their act together n put a string of results together that saw them overtake us fair n square. I for one have had enough smears against our great club, let's take this on the chin, rebuild with NO ONE ( yes that includes you Paul Murray) from either of the last two regimes and build a dignified future we can all be proud of.

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They're still totally s**te though- as will become quite self-evident when they bounce oot every European cup come June/ July. I already look forward. :-)

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Totally agree with the OP, we've been saying that to you for the last 3 years.

duccablue

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Well said above poster, celtic deserve the league this season because they have been better, even though the point's deduction has put the final nail in our coffin, we will never know how it would have panned out otherwise, even if celtic were in the driver's seat at the time.

james rfc 1980

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Had to lmao at this one! Try to tell sour face lennon that, trying to take our trophies away from us from 2003
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