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19 Jun 2012 22:13:20
I'm trying to come up with a safe and legal idea so rangers fans can contribute Putin money into the club and have a say in what happens at rangers then making it an annual thing any ideas reply to this post, risky bear.
The Russian leader is an investor now?.........green jhedi
Boy Jhedi, will your face be red if its true ;)
Rikkisixx
19 Jun 2012 20:03:38
Just a thought, if green wants 15-20mil for the club is it not time to revisit the donations/investment idea that was put forward when we went into admin? fans buy it from him and run it
What will the fans use to run the club? Their own money? Doubt it.
Get real
Our club is gone, it's time to move on.
If that was viable then it would have been done for £5.5m a month ago.
19 Jun 2012 19:38:11
Ed - how come all the debts and SFA sanctions assoc with OldCo are not transferred to NewCo, but SPL sanctions assoc with EBTs are applicable to NewCo? Why different rules? {Ed039's Note - The oldco the business is being liquidated and is effectively out of business, they have a share in the league, which the newco is applying for and the authorities will attach sanctions to that share so any team applying for them will suffer these sanctions)
How can oldco have an SPL share when it isn't a team. There's no players or management and it hasn't submitted the accounts to keep a share?
Ridiculous. It's a shell of a former football club and is being liquidated and does not have a share in the SPL to cast votes.
19 Jun 2012 18:55:23
Green wants to run the club in profit, he's no chance of doing that in the short term!!
Why was the larger bid by Smith not accepted by duff and phelps?
This whole thing stinks - I'm not interested in anything Green has to say - too many lies in a very short space of time. I've just got a bad feeling about him...
Billy
Smith came in too late............green jhedi
Smith had 4 months too put a bid in,down the tubes was the only route left biller miller(or ng) said it was the best way to go but no they were chased out.walter was trying to do the right thing & buy the club off but as GJ says was too late.also if the ebt comes back as gulity then smith has a few questions too be answered
lenny
@1 Don't think it was just that. Smith wouldn't have the finance to fund the takeover and needed the other members of the group to agree. For whatever reason they timed it wrong.
Smith has really pissed me off, while Green came in and atleast we could move forward but Smith split the fans and walked away a few days later. WHY?
I've had enough tbh.
Walter hasn't come out of this too well at all.A pity he wasn't active right at the beginning and not letting his image be tarnished just that wee bit.
19 Jun 2012 18:14:16
Hope we do go to the 3rd division I am sick of the hatred showed to us by so many in this country they try to disguise it as Sporting Integrity and punishing the club for sins of past regimes but its does not matter how you dress it up or try to disguise it - the bottom line is its cultural and political hatred for us Rangers fans that is at the root of all this. Its a true saying no one likes us we dont care.
Gers1986
Are you also sick like fans of other clubs are of the hatred and arrogance shown by your deceased club?
Aye, and were sick of hearing how sick you all are. Sick with guilt? I think not!
My club is The Rangers. They are very much alive.
Pretty unbelievable post to be honest.........green jhedi
@3: so you're admitting the fans of a club that's less than a week old are showing hatred and arrogance?
Spot on m8 total hatred disguised as sporting integrety.
So Rangers fans think they're the victims of hatred? How have other clubs' fans felt for years and years?
U's guys are deluded! Hatred all brought on by urselves, u's have been cheating every team in the country for over 10 years and still no remorse! No wonder the whole off Scottish football hates u's! Take ur medicine, go to the 3rd division, start again and earn people's respect! U's have no divine right to be successful!
Byars
Well be sick then, OP. The SFL3 route is open to you even as I write.
Oh, and if it's such a great idea to form a newco and carry on as if nothing has happened then all clubs should do that. Great way of never paying debts. Newco can't just simply be a debt-free Rangers.
19 Jun 2012 18:09:33
well i have been rite from the start it should have been green that we back as walter and his bunch of chickens couldnt find 20 million between them they wer just trying there luck so al the fans groups ect that sayed dont renew season tickets are going look like muppets
19 Jun 2012 17:52:55
Surely with SPL Lawyers having a sure fire prima face case against Rangers breaking SPL regulations by the use of EBTs, former Rangers Director and self confessed EBT payments receiver, Campbell Ogilvie, must step down as the president of the SFA?
His position is untenable. Why can't he see that? It doesn't get any worse!
Men in suits need to approach him and tell him the jiggly is up!
Ogilvie has been mentioned here quite a few times.Hope he reads this and takes the hint!Please stand down before you are forced to.
19 Jun 2012 17:42:10
How much of a tool will big mark dungball feel like? He was lording up wally like there was no tomorrow and talking down green at the same time. So it looks like his longtime ambition of being on the board are like rangers...forever gone! Dont understand why he gets the time of day he is a Buffoon
Briggs
19 Jun 2012 17:34:39
Ed I'd just like to say that someone at Rangers or someone previously associated with Rangers (Walter smith) comes to mind. Needs to go public and apologise to all the SPL sacked managers who lost SPL and cup matches to Rangers and were ultimately sacked. The games were rigged in Rangers favour before a single player was put on the park. Honest lads paying their honest taxes were fielded against hugely expensive tax free superstars. Managers were sacked and need apologies.
Go get David Murray to do that not walter or ally - get a grip !
I think you need to apologise for posting such nonsense you dope.
How were the games rigged?
Stay off the legal highs pal....
TTG
See King has just apologised.Where are the rest of them?King's statement makes for interesting reading.It's a start.
19 Jun 2012 17:27:34
I don't see why people are sayin give green a chance considering he has been here a very short while and already lied to us numerous times for example
1. Souness on board - LIE
2. HMRC Deal done - LIE
3. 20 investors - LIE
4. Ian Hart is one of the investors - LIE
The list goes on. Today walters consortium pulled the plug because Charles green and co. have given 'verbal assurances' correct but was it not only 'verbal assurances' we got from David Murray and Craig Whyte...oh wait...yes it was...all those who are sayin get behind Green are pathetic! Was it not all you so called Rangers Supporters who are now backing Green that said we want to know all 20 investors and never got an answer then when you did it was 'oh we don't have 20, your lucky if we have 10' whether it's SPL, 1st, 2nd or 3rd Division, I for one will not be going to Ibrox ever again until Green and Co. are gone! And I believe that all rangers supporters should still be rallying together to get him and his co. out!
Well said mate. There will be no club at all after 6 months with this tube in charge.
Just how many lies have your so called
rangers men told in this sorry mess??
Fits right in at rangers,lies cheats rob other clubs. and thinks everybody is against us and we have been punished enough.......b
What do we do then
19 Jun 2012 17:14:05
If the HRMC win the BTC over the EBT for not payment of VAT & PAYE from the VIP's from RFC will that effect TRFC ? ... I give up ,I need some TLC .BlackpoolBear.
If hmrc lose the btc will rangers be able to sue them for damage done? {Ed039's Note - No)
The BTC is an appeal! When will you learn that Rangers have lost the original case and are appealing? It's a First Tier Tribunal which is an appeal. Fact.
@2 when will you learn - HMRC decided RFC owed £24m approx in backdated taxes and NI. RFC have appealed this. It was like getting a tax bill and you decide to appeal against it. Even after the decision both sides can appeal again on the basis of a point of law. These appeals go to the Upper Tribunal. HMRC have said they will appeal and appeal again if the decision goes against them.
So when was the original case?
@3: ages ago. What is a First Tier Tribunal? Look it up - that's what we're all waiting on the result of.
@4 You can appeal to the First-tier Tribunal (Tax Chamber) if you disagree with a tax decision made by HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC). The Tribunal is independent of HMRC and is part of HM Courts and Tribunals Service (HMCTS), an executive agency of the Ministry of Justice.
Now when was the original case?
@5: when HMRC decided what Rangers owed - it's not that difficult, you know.
19 Jun 2012 16:36:36
Just a short note to say sorry to all ex rangers fans for keeping calling your club newco fc just found out its actually sevco 5088 sorry again. Tulip
I prefer club 12. Hopefully. CheltBlue
Maybe you should apologise for tiptoeing round it tulip no sanctions can be brought to club that doesnt exist
Ok flower we,l forgive you this time doug t.s.o
Whatever you say polyp.
19 Jun 2012 15:54:14
With the debate rumbling on about what punishments should be handed out to Rangers a recent major footballing crime that was carried out could be answer for any future punishment.
In 2006 one of the biggest football clubs in Italian and world football Juventus were found guilty of the biggest sin in the game of match fixing over a prolonged period of time. For their wrongdoings they were stripped of two Serie A titles, banned from the Champions League for a single season, ordered to play three home games behind closed doors and were relegated to Serie B and deducted 9 points.
With previous wrongdoings coming back to haunt Rangers big time with a new company having to be set up, the club has more or less punished itself by being docked 10 points by the SPL for entering administration last season and killing off their title challenge and with a Newco being set up the club have been barred from European competition for 3 years with the very realistic prospect looming over the club of having to start again in Division 3.
Recently when handing out their transfer embargo punishment for bringing the game in to disrepute the SFA acknowledged publicly that the only crime worse than what Rangers had done was match fixing. The Italian FA have set the bar on setting punishments for the biggest crime in football and although every FA has different rules for different crimes, Serie A is one of the biggest leagues in world football and are no strangers to corruption and their punishments for Juventus sins should be noted by the Scottish governing bodies.
With Rangers ultimately punishing themselves and a precedent being set elsewhere in European football for the biggest crime of all I feel the SFA and SPL have to consider the punishments handed out to Juventus when handing out their punishments to Rangers. I feel that the governing bodies should at worst more or less match the punishments the Italian FA handed out to Juventus and strip the club of the SPL titles won in 2003 & 2005 (height of the EBT scheme), play no more than three home games behind closed doors and relegate the club to the first division with a 15 point deduction.
Should you not take all trophies off them? why just league tittles when the players played in other tournies as well? but you do have a good point about it and would agree.
If you's are found guilty in the EBT case, you could have your licence to play in scottish leagues revoked. You could have a points deduction, trophies removed and be forced to play behind closed doors. But as a new-co you don't get into Europe for three/four years anyway mate.
My point is this- if St Mirren/St Johnstone were found guilty of the dual contract debacle or had formed a new-co would we be having all these meetings with SFA or SPL would the chairmen be meeting every week. No they would be booted to Div3!
DazzaBhoy
19 Jun 2012 16:23:22
I don't support either Rangers or Celtic. However I understand the problem Scottish football finds itself in, with trying to find an appropriate punishment for Rangers FC.
If Rangers aren't to demoted to the 3rd Division in the Scottish League, because of financial reasons affecting not only Rangers but all the other clubs in the SPL, then a suitable punishment must be found to appease all parties.
It seems to me, that Rangers needs the SPL, and the SPL needs Rangers. The TV rights are also an issue and gate receipts throughout the whole league would be affected with Rangers being demoted.
Why not give Rangers a 2 year suspension from the Scottish Cup and a fixed 50 point penalty in the SPL for 3 years. This would keep Rangers in the League, the 'old firm' games would carry on, gate receipts would be satisfied.
The only downside, would be that Rangers would not be able to win the League for the 3 seasons. The european football side of the equation is irrelavant as they would be banned from Europe for the 3 seasons also.
Anyway these are just some thoughts.
Ridiculous.
History must show that the men in charge of the game back in 2012 were upright men of honesty, courage integrity and probity.
Rangers cannot possibly remain in the SPL after cheating 5 titles in 10 years. It's truly miraculous anyone else managed to win anything and goes to show the honest levels of sporting excellence developed and managed to beat Rangers on some occasions. Unfortunately some managers wre sacked for being defeated by Rangwrs those men deserve apologies.
Rangers aren't being "demoted" they are applying as a new company to skip 3 divisions and get instant access to the highest league in the country! Again, this isn't a punishment, but sevco666 trying to jump straight into the spl! There can be no compromise as it shows utter contempt to every other club in the SFL! Simple!!
Jog on
@1),
How exactly did Rangers "cheat" 5 titles in 10 years? If they were cheating don't you think they would have pushed for 10 titles in 10 years?
Under Alex McLeish Rangers won a title in which Celtic were unbeaten against Rangers, then the following season, nearly the exact same team finished 3rd in the SPL. I may be wrong here, but, surely if Rangers were "cheating" to gain an advantage they would have done a far better job than that!
Stop with this "cheating for titles" carry on, it is utter garbage!!
TTG
Cheating = paying players in a way that wasn't legal (not a loan as an EBT should have been) thus being able to afford players they shouldn't have. It's really quite simple - Rangers had the players they did through illegal means: ergo, it was cheating
@5),
So Rangers couldn't afford Marvin Andrews, Alex Rae, Bob Malcolm, Nacho Novo, Stevie Smith, Chris Burke, is that what you are trying to tell us?
Rangers may have used an illegal method of paying player's wage but it shouldn't result in the stripping of titles.
TTG
@6; Playing unregistered players does though.............green jhedi
@6: and you've failed to mention the players the club bought that they couldn't afford without the use of EBTs to pay the wages the players wanted. How strange you failed to list them...
The point is that if they had dual contracts and they only declared one of them to the sfa then that automatically makes the players with them ineligable to play... this would mean rangers had ineligable players on the park and the punishment for each game is 3-0 in favour of the other team. this would then change the points over the season, and the same for the cups too.
Green jhedi,
Who were the unregistered players? First I've heard of it!
TTG
@10: part of the contracts wasn't registered, therefore the players were ineligible.
19 Jun 2012 15:55:47
The Rangers FC name is not legitimate!
Will the agony ever end!
From Ibrox, to the SFA is a farce!
How is the SFA a farce in the case of the name?
19 Jun 2012 15:36:15
I need some help getting my head around the EBT dual contract issue in respect of allegations of financial doping. The EBT's were used rightly or wrongly by Murray and is alleged to have paid part of the players wages / incentives through this scheme in order to save a few million to attract better players and win trophies. Now this might be over simplifying the case but rangers in theory spent money they didn't have and as a result we are now to be punished from everyone. What though is the difference from other SPL teams spending money buying players when they are already in debt to win matches. Isn't that just another form of financial doping when you spend more than you bring in. It's just the case that rangers used a different scheme which at the time was legal if used properly. I know that it would appear Murray was being fly with wording on contracts etc about how much players get paid but at the end of the day we never paid refs off or other teams to throw games. We just paid more out. As for our current position no result on HMRC EBT case so as it stands Craig Whyte has caused this whole mess by cheating the tax man to line his own pockets !! Under the previous regime the debt was coming down and we were paying the taxman. Thoughts?
Nonsense.Debt only becomes a problem when you cant service it.Whyte seen this coming so kept back Income tax and NI contributions to help run rangers..........green jhedi
Sounds good to me. Lets punish all the SPL teams for taking out bank loans. The team formerly known as Rangers used more of them than any other SPL club. So that's another charge we can throw at them.
Some people have a funny understanding of right and wrong.
Al
The way Rangers used EBTs wasn't legal, or so it seems.
19 Jun 2012 15:35:24
just a bit of advice to fellow bears, dont expect anything or hope for anything good to happen to our club cause we always end up getting let down.
Walter youve let the fans down like everyone else.
Walter & The Fly By Knights - enough said.BlackpoolBear.
Walter was naive and reckless. He did immense damage and no good at all.
I'm beginning to believe these guys have a wager on who can mess Rangers about and do the most damage.
Jim McColl never came to the front or went on telly and displayed any Leadership. It was a cheap shot, a bluff with threats and collusion by media lapdogs. A dirty lot shame on them all.
Walters offer was an insult considering mr green has done all the spadework doug t.s.o
Time for a big bite into the reality cake Gers fans. I'm not saying that in a gloating sense, read things for what they are, not for what you hope they might be, dampen enthusiasm, embrace cynicism, anything above that therefore is literally a bonus. In the forthcoming weeks Rangers fans have to be pragmatic, this is unprecedented levels of accusations and foul ups. This aint ending soon or well, with at least three vital things to be finalised, which league, what sanctions for disrepute case and then the daddy of them all, the two contracts etc for I'm of the opinion that wont end with the SPL. I'd say at that point there's a fair to middling chance the SFA will pick up the baton for cup games and then UEFA will go to town for European games. This is your first test Bears, is that logical, pragmatic or more Timmy propaganda?
Gaz
19 Jun 2012 15:17:23
efternin edo hows you?
here this "prima facie" thing rangurs ur no thinkin aboot stertin a face paintin company ur they its jist thit they stul huvnae payed fur the furst wan,
wee pat yur ravin repoartur fur sly sports news back tae you in the stewdio ed........
helo thers jim white "awrite jum hows you ?
"naw ye canae get alift tae "the louden, any waey yur stul barred"
19 Jun 2012 15:05:25
Ed - I have been coming on your site advising giving any money to Green's consortium.
I know Stockbridge and Ahmad and their business background. I would plead with Gers supporters NOT TO GIVE THEM ONE PENNY!
You are in for hard times but they have no money to take the club forward and any money given to them via season ticket books will disappear and the club will finally fold for good.
They are all shady if you ask me. They won't see a penny of my money. Willl only be back if Wattie and his consortium take over.
Well if ure waiting on walter good luck
@1: so you won't be back then?
19 Jun 2012 14:43:39
Walter now pulled out of bidding for rangers Why? after all the nonsense of last week. Now dave king in talks why? As last week he was telling everyone not to buy season tickets. I dont think that the whole truth is being told yet. What is mr greens real plans for rangers in the future.
19 Jun 2012 14:31:20
BBC.....the magic cardigan consortium has walked away, Green it is then
Think Walter n co know that splitting fan base the now is not a good idea, wouldny surprise me if they come back in once season ticket numbers and what league were in is known
They shouldnt be allowed back. crowd of
shysters the lot of them
19 Jun 2012 14:03:21
Getting sick of all this wont be in SPL, we should go to div 3 talk, its still not going to be a big enough punishment is some peoples eyes. Why don't we withdraw application to SPL don't bother applying to SFL and take a year out of Scottish football show all these teams that we do have integrity.........but that still wont be good enough, because you'll have all the teams blaming rangers for the lost revenue from the sky/tv deals that will be reduced without us in the frame. Damed if you do Damed if you don't
And who pays the 'wages' for the year out?We're no Uni students taking a year out and paid by our daddy and mammy.Most stupid idea and there have been many!
Yeah, I'm sure Green and his investors would see that as a great business plan.
Al
I your team goes away for a year. Some other club will take your place,you won't be able to re-apply...stupid post an am a Celtic fan
Vambo
19 Jun 2012 14:07:48
BBC - Walter's group pulls out!
Green left in the sh*t!
Yes good news I say, now everyone can settle down and support Green
Green was the only person who made a
concrete offer. The fans must give him a
chance. Walter and co have been pulling
the wool over the fans eyes. Only new
blood at the club will remedy the situation.
19 Jun 2012 13:51:03
Apparently Walter & (new) co does do walking away...
Mo
This is the 2nd time he does walking away
19 Jun 2012 13:29:09
Trying to think of the BBC documentary, McCoist was defo on the EBT wall. If Smith didn't have an EBT he would've come out long ago with that info.
McLeish left Rangers in 2006, that's smack bang in the middle of the scandal. Even the most sceptical would have to surmise all three of the above were on them. All three need to come clean and declare themselves, for openness and transparency.
McCoist was not on the wall pal, neither was walter surprising really considering steven davis had one and walter signed him. If these two did have one it would have been released in the documentary for the scandal it would have caused, the only names on the wall that shocked me were souness and murray. Why would the owner give himself a loan with his own money bizarre the lifes the mega rich lead.
19 Jun 2012 11:56:19
i cant believe what im reading the spl clubs will vote on whether a newco rangers be admitted to the spl.but will insist on sanctions being put in place therfore punishing the newco for the wrongdoings of a now defunct old co...why does charles green not just tell them where to go .he should apply to the sfl for third division admittance .... i think that the whole situation will yet again change with refusal into the spl charles greens consortium will indeed sell to the walter smith consortium but at an undisclosed profit ...3 rd division beckons no doubt about it but a new debt free football club owning the old rangers assets such as the stadium etc ..no history as inception was season 2012/2013..and no punishments carried on from previous old co RFC...if i bought one of woolworths shops and called it the woolies co.uk i would not expect being held liable for the old compamys liabilities ..so its newco and division 3 for me ...ive never had a season ticket for any football club but nows the time to start
Yes but green is appling for rangers place in the spl so the punishment moves with that you can not hvae rangers place and not except the punishment.Rangers can go straight to third div with no penalties.the choice is yours
The newco does not have 3 years financial history. It does not meet the requirements for 3rd Division. Only the juniors are open to them.
Agreed with 1) ! The powers at the club have broken rules and and have left it too late for apologies .They've also made a mockery of the clubs supporters worldwide. The only way for us real supporters to regain any sort of integrity is for the club to take it's medicine and start from the bottom.
Ok The RFC don't get the old RFC place. Does that mean whatever club does get the old RFC place they get the punishment?
He's applying for Rangers place, he's calling the team Rangers, he's sitting in SDMs office he's got the same 200 staff.......
They need to be punished hard for ruining soccer in Scotland....
@1 you cannot have rangers place without the punishment - bet dunfermline and dundee are thinking twice now
or you are on the high horse talking b@ll@cks
JG
19 Jun 2012 11:16:30
This is how I see things regarding oldco v`s newco . EBT`s first.
If oldco are found guilty of illegal pay ments the punishment is removal of titles and cups from the oldco record . That is all you can do . You cannot give out punnishments to the newco for what the oldco did ! But you can , retrospectively , take away illegal gotten gains IE titles and cups. Whether or not they should be redistributed in another matter. HMRC have already said they will pursue INDIVIDUALS from the oldco for non payment of taxes . Are you listening Billy Dodds and Marvin Andrews amoung many others ! The SFA /SPL cannot bring punnishments against the newco for what the oldco did. What they can do is determine where the newco will play next year. That in itself could be punnishment enough if TRFC are told they are not getting into SPL. Please remember thoughout all of this , we are now dealing with a new football club that is applying to get a licence to play football in Scotland. Nothing more. You need to be pragmatic about this ! The question is Will integrity win the day over financial concerns ? Justice in this depends on who you are talking to. In this case the authorities MUST use their rule book. They will be open to the courts again if they don`t !
19 Jun 2012 12:00:48
On Radio Five Live details of government into so-called K2 (EBT) tax avoidance scheme using offshore loans which cost the treasury 4.5 billion per year. These will be closed down with recovery of monies and prosecutions to follow.
This puts into context the reason why Green got Rangers for 5.5 million. HMRC has far bigger fish to fry!
19 Jun 2012 11:02:19
Can anyone answer this! do Rangers lose
their badge and logo as part of the liquidation like Florentina etc and I think Leeds had to change theirs?
Yes of course. Sorry. Same as the gates and tiles will need changed. Otherwise the rangers will look too much like rangers which is another offence after liquidation.
Trademarks (Club Crests, Badges, logos etc) are registered, and were transferred to the Newco - therefore the Newco has the right to use them as they see fit.
No the copyright of the badge etc is an asset which i believe Mr Green has purchased
Wouldn't be the first time the badge has changed
adding 'THE' to the top of the gates would sort that
Unfortunately for some very bitter people, only knocking the place down and starting from scratch will be acceptable (all before 4th August?)
bil72
Yes and shield on the wall at Ibrox etc,....
Bronze statue of players not of your new club. A previous liquidated club. John Greig didn't play for The Rangers FC Ltd.
No4 - my understanding is that the football team are, have been, and will be Rangers Football Club, not The Rangers Football Club. It is the company name that has changed from The Rangers Football Club Plc to The Rangers Football Club Ltd, albeit this awaiting BDO giving the green light once they are in situ. This whole press fixation with the prefix of Thebis quite misleading.
19 Jun 2012 10:59:09
anyone confirm that the £160,000 fine will never be paid so its another sanction that is not to be fulfilled.
seems so far the only penalty has been the 10 point penalty which at the end of the day
was insignificant.
Bentdnar suffered more for flashing his pants
The ten points is not a punishment its a consequence of going into administration, it was a rule agreed on by the clubs theoretically to stop teams overspending. As things stand Rangers have received no punishment.
There was a21 period to pay it. That has passed. New penalties to follow.
19 Jun 2012 10:52:41
Regarding Season Ticket Renewal.
Having recently had several discussions with friends and fellow season ticket holders and also seen various posts on here and other sites regarding renewing season tickets now or waiting til later I emailed both Rangers and Duff & Phelps yesterday. D&P have so far not replied – no surprise there! But Rangers have just replied with a rather strange answer!
Question: Many fans seem to be under the impression that they should renew their season ticket now but as the forms were issued via the 'old' Rangers prior to the announcement last week that the club is to be liquidated surely these forms are no longer valid? Is it not the case that the bank account linked to the forms is in fact the account of the old club and therefore now under the control of the liquidators BDO? Will new renewal forms be issued to all season ticket holders once the set up of the newco is complete and once the club knows which, if any, division it will be playing its football in next season? Having been a season ticket holder for in excess of 25 years now i wish to continue to support the club but like so many others feel unable to do this until there is some form of clarity on many issues surrounding the club, issues which will not be resolved until after the deadline of July 2 set out in the renewal forms that have currently been issued.
Answer: Thank you for your email. Unfortunately we are at present unable to answer your query. All news updates and Club Statements are on the official website at www.rangers.co.uk . Thank you for once again for your continuous and much valued support.
So, if the club don’t know whether we should renew or not at the moment I would suggest that nobody should part with any money until they do!!
Standard reply!
I got the same one to a different set of questions!
The only thing they confirmed was that there was no extentsion to the 2nd July deadline.
I'll not renew until I can see what Green is going to do with TGRFC.
19 Jun 2012 10:07:21
You have to laugh at the statement by Motherwell about severe punishment where a club is found to have committed financial wrongdoing is this the same Motherwell who sacked players and failed to pay their bills, without penalty from the SPL. You have to love Sporting Integrity in Scotland. Even handedness at it's best.
Finally it's cleaning itself up. Rangers may be the first outfit to be dealt with properly as per the rules. This will be the new clean Scotland going forward.
Motherwell didnt go into Liquidation......Rangers did! Motherwell didnt dodge tax....Rangers Did! Or are you getting altitude sickness on the way up to the moral high ground?
19 Jun 2012 10:05:45
I suspect Mr Green will hang on to newco until he knows the outcome of the SPL vote. As a newco in SPL is worth more than a 3rd division team. Can't see anything happening until 4th of July. If its 3rd division next season Green will sell as quick as he can with a small profit
Thoughts any1 ?
To who? Wattie has now walked away. would you pay 5.5mil for club in 3rd division. If not what would you pay remembering it has to be more than Green could make from breaking up and selling individually. He has stated that he does not want to stay for more than a year. He could not make profit in 3rd division to break even so looks like fire sale The future is bright the future is ......Green
19 Jun 2012 07:32:41
ater showing the sfa up in court with regards to bogus fines and sanctions against the club, now its the turn of the spl, sentenced seems to have been passed on the outcome of dual players contracts already, even though they havent spoke to any senoir figures at the club, they passed contracts to let us play in europe as champions where all financial ongoings are clearly shown they now want to take titles, and take sanctions against a newco over and old companys actions. if this was to happen to companys in britain , how many newcos would open ??. take every title you want, if that makes you feel big, better or even if you would dare call justice, we will go straight to div 3 , lets see how small minded people in small minded clubs survive, we will survive, we will get stronger, we will be bigger , we will win more again, because you cant take away the rangers spirit, watp !!!
Reason the newco faces punishment is because D&D delayed and obstructed the investigation until there was no oldco. Its no wonder us small minded would rather suffer a finical hit than have you back not one person from oldco or the newco have said the magic word. SORRY thats all it would take to win some friends.
No guarantee of getting in third div. S F L have to look at all teams looking to enter and pick based on ground ,support etc. Ibrox has asbestos and fans do not exactly have a good behavior record. (Most fans are okay but a small minoity could be better behaved )All aspects will be taken into account.
din22
19 Jun 2012 06:55:00
I might be missing something so can Iget some quantative answers please. Rangers are gone...someone bought the assets not the club....they atarted a new club "the rangers" which need to apply to be part of scottish football and the spl. why then are the spl trying to punish the rangers for issues at the old club? Can this even be legal? I appreciate rangers have a case to answer in respect to ebt but its one for the old club to be punished. nothing to to with the newco.... {Ed001's Note - they aren't. I don't know why people keep saying they are. They are considering applying sanctions to the Newco, in return for allowing it straight into the SPL, rather than it having to start off in the lower leagues. But it is not a punishment for the old club's misdemeanours.}
Ed once again CORRECT!
SO why is the EBT penalties still getting discussed as which will happen after the vote on wher the rangers will ply thier trade next season and in the future?
If you were a new club entering scottish football you would start if the lower levels but you are asking to take old rangers place in the Spl with that you take the punishment for the old co deeds.
If you go in as new company ie third div then fine but green is asking for old rangers place in the Spl If any other company wants straight in the Spl let fred bloggs utd they would start at the bottom so there will be a price to pay to Stay in the Spl.
19 Jun 2012 05:15:07
Guys just my opinion but i keep hearing its the minority that sing these vile songs at both old firm stadiums. So when the so called minority start singing why cant the majority start singing a football song to drown these idiots out. I have never heard that happening at either ground as it always sounds like the majority are singing especially away from home. Would be great if real fans got rid of the so called unwanted ones. We work together we drink together our kids play together lets rid this religion thing once and for all please.
If we go to div 3 then i for one will take my sons, as now my sons ears will not have to listen to the bile of some of the spl clubs that chant at ibrox, rangers are not innocent i admit that but look at the other clubs and i dont just mean celtic
Why do you take children in the first place?I attended one game and saddened to hear the Hearts fans----couldn't believe it.They had no interest in the game,they only wanted to chant at the other side.We need to look to ourselves first though as some of our fans are pretty vile in their chants and outlook.We are better than this.
19 Jun 2012 03:18:23
Reality:
contrition; wrong has been done: admit the wrong
Ask for forgiveness
any one who denies anyone who is truly sorry has to answer to god
i am a celtic fan
i forgive rangers
come back in
relinquish any titles found to be unjust
and then we can all move on
hail hello hail hello X
19 Jun 2012 02:03:35
I would like to remind some people there will be no cva as the club The rangers fc have no debt and it is starting to look like if we don't get in spl then it could be the fist div
SFL boss said its div 3 or nothing.
Try 5.5million in debt to mr greene!!!
19 Jun 2012 01:45:40
anyone else get the impression that we are completely and utterly f**ked now?
I got that impression when a certain Craig Whyte put us into administration....
TTG
As you should be, cheating on a grand scale,walking away from your debt and then blaming everyone else for your wrong doings
Dannybhoy
Dannybhoy,
Define cheating at a grand scale?
TTG
@3 RANGER,S
@3),
Explain how RANGERS cheated at a grand scale?
TTG
19 Jun 2012 00:25:43
A general question...
Given we will not know our fate with regards participating in next season's SPL until 04th July....and with the season beginning 04th August....and with possible ramifications that could see:
1. Rangers relegated
2. Dunfermline reinstated to the SPL
3. Dundee promoted to the SPL
There are a numbe of scenarios that right now cannot be decided such as season ticket sales and players transfers to mention just two obvious ones. And these are things which apply not only to us but Dunfermline and Dundee also....
Given the unknowns right now which could have significant implications for 1 or all 3 of the aforementioned teams and their supporters, would it not make sense to delay the start of the season by at least 2 weeks?
There are so many votes taking place right now, surely one more wouldn't hurt...and it would benefit the supporters...remember them SFA and SPL?
Agree / disagree?
SPM
Relegation can only happen retrospectively, i.e. Rangers will need to have their 2011/2012 points erased which will mean Dunfermline stays up and Rangers relegated.
I can see a way this can happen but nobody at the SPL seems to be talking about it so it's unlikely to happen.
Good shout, Why don't we replace Dumfermline by being relegated and have them take our place.
Surely this would kill the debate of the Sky deal hinging on us being out the league for a year. I also believe it would be a novalty for Sky to broadcast Rangers in the lower leagues anyway.
I would n't be surprised if this isn't being discussed as a possible punishment by the spl sfa for dual contracts. Basically Team X Relegated, Rangers newco buy the Rights to the oldco, and replace them in SFL 1.
All sounds too easy tho, SPL and SFA don't ever dabble in "Easy", eitherway 3rd or 1st division, I just want the football back. Will forever support Rangers old and new.
Rikkisixx
19 Jun 2012 00:10:15
sum pne please explain to me how on earth we can get hit with this double contract thing if its a new club then its a new club not the old one so we shudnt be able to get hit with this yet the spl think they can do what they want per usall i for one wud be challenging this decision green forget the spl and apply to third division no point wasting our time again like the cva case
Dont you think that the dead club and this new one is getting away with it by not being able to pay the money they owe? dont you think it is wrong to spend so much and just have a get out of jail card by starting fresh? for fans that think they are the same club they sure dont like/want to be punished for the dead club.....so what yous are saying is you are alive but when it comes to punishments your a dead former club right?
Why do u keep blaming the spl the spl did not say no 2 cva the spl did not put u in addmin the spl did not put u in liqud the spl did not tell u not 2 pay tax the spl did not tell u 2 buy players and not pay for them the spl did not tell u 2 cheat HAS THAT NOT SUNK IN YET the spl has bent over back changing dates all the time 2 help u now spl is trying 2 merge with sfl so at worst u would only go down 1 division SO WAKE UP AND ACCEPT BLAME
It isn't "a new club", the club RFC will be contained within a new company. If punishments are handed down to clubs and no companies, then it's entirely logical that Rangers still potentially face further sanction for their crimes.
Think tha 'sanction's on old club will be loss of titles
bil72
You gotta laugh you want all the old clubs history but the minute the old club is due a punishment youre a new club Make up your mind you cant have it all ways
If newco drops it's application to join the SPL then it really is a newco.
Otherwise the SPL share comes with Rangers' baggage.
2.) @1 Rangers FC is dead The rangers is a newco. This is why they need to apply not only to the SFA but also to the SPL. Mr Greene purchased the assets and started a new club he did not save the old club. As everyone is aware, football is a business now. WHere is the business ethics in punishing a new company who have legally purchased the assets from a liquidated club?
Rangers Newco should not be punished for EBT as they have never used them! As a new club they will not be able to play in European competitions for 3 years if they are admitted into the SPL. As a rangers fan...I would prefer to join the 3rd div. As a country we are not big enough to support 42 pro clubs. I think in us going down more will follow. Nobody will put the money in to compete with celtic and you will have a 4/5 year stint where the league is over before a ball will be kicked as it will be more of a one horse race than watching Frankel run. The european coefiicient will drop quicker than a Wh@~#s knickers as teh other teams have consistently proved they are not willing to spend to compete at that level. Celtic will attract lesser players and in whole the league will become even more of a joke than it is at the minute.
@7 "...you will have a 4/5 year stint where the league is over before a ball will be kicked...".
Why would it be any different with Sevco FC in the SPL. Bear in mind that they currently have no playing staff and no prospect of European football for at least 3 years. Add to that that they will not be allowed into the SPL without sanctions making them uncompetitive. So who would be joining the new club and would the team be any better than the other SPL teams outwith Celtic.
Al
@7
The old Rangers Euro coefficient is 1 win in last 25 games ,big help eh
18 Jun 2012 23:03:50
As a celtic fan I have to agree with you 100%. Best post on here. And Celtic are exactly the same. People singing about the IRA etc. and they say they don't. Good on you mate, let's get it back to friendly banter and kick these dumb ass fans out the game for good.
18 Jun 2012 22:41:28
Are Leeds a newco?why arn't they called T' Leeds fc? Ann O'Rack
I don't think Leeds are a newco.
TTG
@1 yes they are check !....mark.
@2: different scenario as they weren't liquidated - so-called phoenix company. Ed001 has posted about it before.
Leeds United aren't really a newco. They sold off nearly every asset to clear their debt...players, stadium training ground, the lot. They had a CVA rejected but soon after were purchased and exited administration.
The only time Leeds United changed to a new club was away back when they were formed in which they changed their name from Leeds City to Leeds United.
TTG
Leeds company number different fact, leeds still has its badge colours and history fact. rangers have changed there company number rangers will still have badge,colours, and history green bought ibrox,car park, murray park,and trading brand. oh oldco not liquadated yet ...mark.
18 Jun 2012 22:34:11
pretty simple really......re-admittance to the spl.....10 point penalty for 2 seasons ...3rd season no penalty and offn runnin into europe and as you were........that i feel is fair and avoids confusion ...it really would be up to the individual whether to attend away games or not....personally wi green at the helm im a non starter...prefer the old guard of watty and ally etc....deecee
You think thats fair? Why should a newco rangers suffer punishments? It should be division three and thats the end of it.Its not sporting to levy penalties on a club to use them as a cash cow is it?..........green jhedi
I dont agree with green jhedi a lot but I do with this post...I'll take Div 3 before SPL to be honest...
Tam-Sir 1873 build from the bottom
Well GJ your ethics are sound enough. but this is the dirty world of football management. Rangers will likely be in the SPL for reasons well discussed here. The question is: what are the outstanding punishments are going to be? Yes, oldco's oustanding punishments rightly move to newco just as the "history" and SPL share moves to newco.
Totally agree with Div 3! then go chase Sir David for the cash, the old song go's no one likes us we don't care! And that is proving oh so true at the moment!
No matter which league Rangers are in I would suggest the following penalties: Start in Div 3 with a 30 pt penalty. next season , whichever league they are in, a 20 pt penalty next season start with a 10 pt penalty. My feeling is that they would be back in the Spl in the 4th season quite easily and inm not a bear !
I feel if the newco were being run by the same people that got the club in this mess then OP would be right.Blue Jedhi :)makes a fair point for me.BlackpoolBear.