Rangers Banter Archive October 19 2011

19 oct 2011 21:00:28
where does david murray come into it with the tax case after all it was his club at the time and all the directors that were their too who were negotiating players contracts bain etc . david murray said he would only sell the club to someone who could take the club forward, lets hope he kept his word on that.

Let's be brutally honest, dm should be slated for the state that he has left us in. He could not care less who bought rangers as long as got rid before the case. Because if it was still his the whole of his empire would have gone, although that may happen anyway. He is a disgrace and whilst he was the custodian, as he put it, he has put us on the brink of disaster, and yet mr w gets dogs abuse. It is directed at the wrong person. Dm you should be ashamed

Idiots without david murray no 9 in a row yez werent complaining then about him idiots with very short memories toddle on an support the septic

T-bear

DM will feature in this case. Not in the way you think though. If anyone with any business acumen on this (or any other site) took time to study this affair, they would see that DM is playing CW like a fiddle. He will never be the figure head again but he will run Rangers again, and sooner than you think...

I agree but Whyte knew what he was getting when he took over, I'm a Celtic fan and we have had alot of hard times but Whyte wanted Rangers for a reason and I'm sure over the coming months we will all find out why.

If Rangers do go into Administration there will be alot of cuts but I don't think first team players will go, They still need a team to operate as a business and generate revenue.

Without Rangers or Celtic there is no Scottish football as far as I'm concerned.

Hail Hail

19 Oct 2011 19:37:48
Right I know this might sound a bit mental

Martin Bain, Donald macintyre have both had money have had money frozen by the courts. Now these are both men who resided our club through the mess we now find ourselves in, they were the people making the important decisions that went tits up. Could it be that these men who were getting paid vast amounts of Money to do their job and have arsed it up and claim to have rangers best interests at heart are fullyaware of what could happen with the tax case " Now here comes the mental bit " it could be possible that they know we will win the case against us and then the club will be in a richer state of affairs and are just trying to bleed as much as they can out of white. If we were to win the case whyte could do a couple of things he could then invest more money into the club and follow through on the promises to broaden the clubs reputation world wide. As I said this all sounds a bit mental but everything we read in the papers all just fabricated stories made from thin air most of the time, I am on the fence at the moment with what is going on at the club at the moment I want to bac White but want to see what happens when the case is decided then what happens either, but no matter what happens RANGERS will NEVER fade away into the abyss.

We Welcome The Chase

We should sue Martin Bain for being a money grabbing little s**t. When we were up to our necks this little person took £200k pay rise. He has always had rangers in his heart, dirty lying money grabbing little piece of crap

19 Oct 2011 18:06:16
Ed, this one's a belter!

A Celt, a Ger, a hot blonde and a fat woman get on the tube. They go into a tunnel and the lights go out, and suddenly they all hear a loud slap. When the lights come on, the person has a big red handprint on his face.
The blonde thinks: "Oh, the Shameful One must have made a move for me, but fondled that fat woman by mistake and she slapped him."
The fat woman thinks: "Hmm, that Bluenose tried to put the moves on that blonde and got slapped. Good for her."
The Ger thinks: "Hey, that Tim must have gone for the blonde and she slapped me by mistake!"
The Tim thinks: "Boy, I hope we go through another tunnel, so I can smack that donk again".........lol.....Miko

Lol Miko

DazzaBhoy

Well Dozzybhoy if you thought that was funny you and thicko miko you both should go see a shrink cause iv'e heard funnier from a 2 year old you must be a sado if you can laugh at miko the thicko maybe theres hope for you two yet maybe not GERman

Two irishmen in a pub one says to the other I,ll tell you a scottish joke .. miko sitting next to them says "Im a scotsman"the irishman says hes wearing septic colours and the other irishman says that ok pal we will tell you the joke very slowly....

All stolen jokes miko ya bawbag!

Raab

Eh? I don't get it???......lol.....Miko

Ouch! You're so hurtful Raab....ya scrote! lol.....Miko

Lolsy! Wee gimp!

Raab X

19 Oct 2011 16:44:45
Late grandfather always said there where only 2 certainties in life, the undertaker and bookmaker. Bookies still have rangers as favourites and Celtic outsiders for Spl, you would think they would know better, also why haven't the Celtic know-alls been on here bragging about betting on their team winning the spl on the back of our supposed demise {Ed014's Note - Wasn't it two certainties in life are death and taxes?

Sorry Ed, but I thought we didn't pay tax lol, couldn't resist myself {Ed014's Note - Boom Boom!

19 Oct 2011 16:28:22
Personally, I feel it is a disgrace that John Greig, Mr Rangers, was effectively forced out of the door. I also cannot fathom why some fans are still clutching to the idea that Rangers are not in turmoil. This latest shambles - Greig resigning, more money being ring-fenced, should be unequivocal indicators that dark days are setting over Ibrox. Greig resigning is a travesty, he was an ambassador of the club and epitomizes what it means to support Rangers. Clubs such as Manchester United, utilise the likes of Bobby Charlton for the respect he earned and having him within the club instills a sense of tradition and belief. John Greig played that role for Rangers. He rightly earned the respect of his peers, within Scotland. Britain and abroad. The late Tommy Burns played that role to perfection for Celtic, although also having a more active role in terms of coaching, he would be the first to speak to potential signing targets and youngsters. I'm sure Celtic are sorely missing his early departure, so is the rest of Scotland. Having legends around the club promotes pride and belief. Rangers will be worse off without the likes of John Greig.

The resignation of Greig indicates that troubles are ahead. He would never leave Rangers unless he had no other option. Before now, I have usually given Whyte the benefit of doubt. I have always remained skeptical however, as with any uncertain or ambiguous situation, we should always look for reason, logic and evidence to support ones answer. In terms of the tax case, I, like everyone else only knows what we have read and however we choose to speculate about it. Even as a loyal supporter of the club, if we are found to of acted illegally in terms of tax payments then we deserve all the punishment we get. It is the only ethical response. We will just have to wait and see, we do not necessarily know what evidence HMRC has against us, or even why they chose Rangers as their first major tribunal over this type of tax avoidance. I do think the case will go on for another year however, due to the lengthy and inevitable appeals process. Whoever is seen to 'lose' will almost certainly appeal.

At least we doing alright on the field. Though, to be honest, if we were doing poorly it would likely lead to more demonstrations and protests, with fans asking questions about the future of the club. Our on-field success is only masking our true state.

Graeme

Graeme well said mate. I'm honestly quite stunned at some fans coming on here having a go at Greig. The mans a legend and deserves the utmost respect. Obviously the few that are giving him pelters know nothing about our history as they are either too young or just plain ignorant. Big Greigy you will be missed by all proper Rangers supporters, a warrior on the pitch and a complete gent off of it.

Gerry The Ger.

Gerry, Willie Henderson and Tommy Gemmell were great friends off the field despite all the rivalry, that is how it should be. LOL Neil T

Mr rangers, my arse, he is the luckiest guy in the world. What player is guaranteed a job for life. Get rid he does nothing so had nothing to offer

Certaily do not want to knock John Greig, but honestly we aint rolling in cash and therefore cannot pay salaries to people who no longer contribute, got to say biggest example is Gordon Smith, anyone know when he last spoke or indeed what he does for his cash.

19 Oct 2011 14:12:55
Right guys let's all be realistic for a minute here. We're probs going to enter administration eventually. Does anyone know the likely, realistic outcome if we were to go into administration?

The realistic outcome if we go into administration is Whyte as immediate creditor keeps the players, sells Murray Park and will offer HMRC less than half of what they want and then we exit administration.

GovanFR {Ed014's Note - I am no expert but HMRC will look for the full value, it is a legal binding and legally enforceable debt,administration wouldn't bring it down any further.

Ed014 HMRC cannot get the full amount if Rangers cannot afford it. Administrators asset strip the club, the only asset Rangers have is Murray Park so once that is gone HMRC will have two options take a settlement for arguments sake say 30p in the pound or liquidate Rangers but if they did this they would probably only get 20p in the pound. There is virtually no way of them getting all of their money.

GovanFR

19 Oct 2011 13:47:48
I thought that DOOMSDAY was in December 2012 ? By the number of " profits of doom " on here, it is clear that this will occur on November 2011 !! Where are all these I've heard, good source, hate to say this, just heard a rumour, my mates uncles , I work in finance, I've got a degree in utter bulls**t rubbernuts coming from ? I heard that Rangers were 10 points clear of the chasers, losers, runners up, and bitter since 1888 s**t stirrers, anyone heard the same ? Go away with your utter nonsense, NO-ONE knows whats going to happen, so stop talking garbage. Rangers have a game on Sunday and it would be great to hear some footy chat for a wee change FFS............. 4 in a row

19 Oct 2011 13:37:55
Could it be that Miko, Timalloy and Lenny are all brothers?. They seem to have same level of intellect and laugh at their own jokes- I know, but they probably think they are jokes.

I saw deliverance recently, and reckon they could all be banjo bhoys.

I've herd that they are either conjoined triplets with only one brain between them or lovers in a love triangle can any one confirm?

I can confirm... it's "common knowledge in the finance world". Muzz

19 Oct 2011 12:01:57
can someone clarify what all this if u play 3 under 21s you so much money per game. unsure

19 Oct 2011 11:15:51
So Mr Whyte buys RFC for a quid right.

He is told that the club has an outstanding debt to Lloyds in the region of 20 million and told to expect an investigation from HRMC which could cost the club 30 million. Worst case scenario is he inherits RFC for approx 50 million once the fines in relation to the tax issue is paid and the debt is cleared. Best case, He wins the tax case and gets the club for the cost of clearing Sir David Murrays debt to Lloyds, approx 20 million. Does this make sence to anyone else?

Surely a self made millionaire businessman like Mr Whyte would not take control of a non profitable business. Buying a football club for 50 million is good business imo, especially a club the size of ours. Getting it for 20 million is a steal !!

J1985

Haha, na ya donk, once they lose the tax case Whyte will present a petition for sequestration.

Administrators will award Wavetower £18m, as the primary creditor, and these adimnistrators, in conjunction with Whyte, will run the club by order of the court. The court will make an order for regular repayments to be made over a period of time in settlement of the debts - this scheme will be administered by the court!

During this period, the club will lose assets and be unable to replace them with the same quality as solvency is paramount. Whyte will get his money regardless!

Worrying times, bring on Thursday night, 7pm, BBC1.........Miko xx

First of all it's not £30m to the taxman it is £50m plus penalties and interest which will take the total to nearer £60m then the £20m to tsb = £80m and don't forget ibrox needs another £15m spent on it to bring it up to scratch . you have more frozen money than iceland and no european income .tim nice but dim has banned the bbc and will be taken to court for that as well , if as expected all this goes against you the january sales will lose you EVERYBODY on more than £7000 a week , ''mr whytes words not mine'' basically you lot are f*****

See the thing is, people like white buy places that are on there bum, sort it out sell it on money made,but it's not always the case. Sometimes they buy it it goes boo boo & nothing else is heard from them. 

Problem is rangers is in the public eye unlike some of whites smaller firms he's took over. Now if he takes over a local building firm makes it money job done everyone's happy, if he buys it it goes boo boo it's hardly goin to make the paper is it ? That's the case with rangers he's the main money man at Ibrox, so he's in the spot light. If he pulls them out a hole he will be the next best thing since sliced bread, (if he does that other teams will want him to do the same.) if it goes boo boo he's proberly world wide news that rangers are in the poo poo,but that's the chance that these business men take. If all pays off he's great, mess it up aw well I'm still a millionaire who can just chill for the rest of my days. EVERYONE knows there's no money to be made in the spl (win the spl 1.5 mil win the EPL or championship 90 mil) so how can he make money at rangers ? Play in europe ? Falls at the 1st fence. Sell big players ? Aye ok but u did say u would pump 5 million a year into the transfer kitty plus the wage bill needs slashed by 10 million. that's just the tip of it never mind the tax case or the old board saying he's not got the money to find the club ? Or the rumour is he's not got the money to fund the club till jan or even the end of this month ? 

Now do you wonder why he wanted the BBC to not air this thing on Thursday night ? Believe what uses want but when the facts are black & white it's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. 

Take lawwell- he's got our debt under a million over the last 3 years with hardly any Europe man/ league money that's why teams down south want him if white pulls it off at rangers do u not thing he will be on the same boat as lawwell

Lenny {Ed001's Note - 90m for winning the Championship or EPL? Where the hell did you get that nonsense from? 90m is the amount they claim the winners of the play offs in the Championship gets, but it is false. That is the total of TV money and prize money for one season, plus the total amount of parachute payments the club gets over the next few years. No competition gives out 90m in prize money for its winners, not even the Champions League.}

Swansea got in the EPL & when they did they said cause they go from championship to EPL they get 90 mil ? That's what they said when they played cardiff ?

Lenny

*just re-read your post there ed just delete my last one read it wrong m8. Lenny {Ed001's Note - no worries mate, may as well leave it now, at least you have the grace to admit when you make a mistake, not many do.}

19 Oct 2011 10:22:44
Down to business bears, hearts is always a tough game away and this will be no different.

For me the team picks itself and taking last night into consideration I feel mccoist will go with:

Mcgregor
Whitts Goian Bocanegra Papac

Naisy Edu Davis McKay

Jelly Lafferty

Subs:
Bedoya, Ortiz, Wallace, Wylde
Perry & McMillan

For me Sasa is a better left back. Healy is a waste of space on the bench when you can move naisy up top and we have to have 3 u21 so I feel they are the best we have. I was impressed with Bedoya last night in the middle, very effective in there.

East Enclosure Loyal

Dont fancy a sub goalie?

Alexander is a given, you are allowed 6 out field players on the bench!!

Bedoya in for Edu, also liked McMillan last night, would like him to get a run. Surprised Wallace missing as well though

Make up your mind is the sub goalie Alexander or Given?

:-(

Bluegenius

If Alexander is a given, it is the 21st century after all, live and let live.

19 Oct 2011 01:26:23
Who cares that John greig has resigned. Since when being a player entitles you to a job for life. He was a good captain, a reasonable player and a rank rotten manager. He is the past and has gone, bye!

The man's a Rangers Legend you fud. You obviously never had the privilege of seeing him play.

I saw hIm play frequently but I am disappointed he has opted to go into the lifeboat. Should have stayed to help steady the ship, he wasnt on the board for his financial accumen, hardly loyal.

The man's Rangers through and through. He's been treated appallingly. Greig will know a lot more about whats going on inside Ibrox than we will and as for jumping ship Whyte has apparently been trying to push him out for ages. It'll all come out in the wash one day but i'd rather see Whyte issue a statement to the fans as to why Greig has gone.

I am a rangers fan through and through does that mean I should get a job for life, and yes I did see him play and if you are telling me he is the best rangers player then I want a pint of what you are on. He is no Baxter, no laudrup, no gazza. Get real he was a good honest pro with little talent. I would remind everybody that he was present when they were winning nine in a row. He has made a damn good living off rangers, now he has gone, won't be missed