Rangers Banter Archive April 01 2012

 

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01 Apr 2012 23:19:33
If I remember correctly the newly formed ACF Fiorentina had to begin at Serie C2 (Pretty much at the bottom). What I'd love to know is if a Rangers newco would be required to start in Division 3?

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If rangers get 25 points deduction for 3 years and a European ban is rather start in 3rd division, with demand for away games we could start our own tv channel.

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If liquidated, I would prefer to start in SFL3.
There would be no European football anyway.
Also let's see how the teams in the SPL who kicked us when we are down, survive without us for 3 years. Id rather boost the finances of the wee teams.
Tom.

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Yes - Unless the SFA Mafia fix it!

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Don't forget that it's SDM & Co who will have f****d Scottish football NOT the other teams!

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The money will be more in the SPL, which is why I think the deal will likely be along the lines of reply #1's. best of all worlds - Rangers get to play in SPL, they won't be allowed to win it (unless a spectacular set of results to overcome points penalty), may have to fight relegation (depending on level of penalty - could be 30, 40 or even 50 points), TV money comes rolling in, 3 years seems about right too, perhaps with decreasing penalties.

There will be a negotiated settlement. The rules didn't envisage an old form team being re-formed. There's too much at stake not to do a deal given the amount of £££ that Rangers supporters put into the Scottish game.

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01 Apr 2012 22:47:10
Think things are getting so serious, everyone apart from liewell says Scottish football will collapse if rangers go bankrupt. Football is our national game played and watched by hundreds of thousands every week, there is a real possability of national disorder if whyte gets away with killing our club, so why has our much trumped up Parliament not stepping in to bring some clarity don't want government money but since it effects so many people so sort of independent government enquiry someone must have broken the law here and should pay for it

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01 Apr 2012 22:30:34
Fellow bears, don't look now but the fat lady has just stood up,,,,

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Are you spying on my missus ?

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She`s heading for the microphone.

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Can she sing?

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Oh no, false alarm, was just a bit of wind.

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Can you not tell the difference between a "Shark" and a fat lady? Might be game on again lad's. Stevie-A-Bear

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01 Apr 2012 22:22:54
rangers will not be liquidated this week no way we will have a new owner in place who will also have a cva in place to deal with the debts and also rangers will lose the tax case but it will be only around about 10 million quid mark we have to pay back and the ticketus deal will be ripped up also. the club 9 takeover deal will be approved and rangers will be stronger next season so the tims better watch out and enjoy winning the league this season it will be a while before you win it again

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Ha ha,ha ha,ha ha ha ha ha ha,
Ha ha,ha ha ha ha ha ha,
Your own are telling you to prepare,& club 9 said theyl liquadate you,
To a DAYDREAM belever & a liquadated team,
Dont clutch the straw you only take it down with you

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Your meant to have your April fool jokes before 12am .....Stevie

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And why have you stopped
"autographing" your eternally boring piles of drivel?
Stevie-A-Bear

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01 Apr 2012 22:22:13
Sorry this is the first post I have ever made, but I can't believe that we are allowing Craig Whyte to remove our club from existance for his personal selfish gain without any protest from the fans. Every true fan requires to get behind the blue knights and make sure the administrators do not make the same mistake and sell our team to a non rangers person for selfish personal gain. We are running out of time, please support our team before it is too late. Thankyou

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To late pal..... and David Murray is to blame not Craig Whyte!

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Hear Hear O.P. Good debut my man.
Let's see what happens with TBK&BK.

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01 Apr 2012 22:11:50
Show of hands (believe yes unbelievable no) lads and lassies. Who honestly thinks Rangers will be liquidated. Celtic fans welcome to join in, or any fan. Please be mature about it :)

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I am a Celtic fan and I hope you don't die. It's only idiots who want your team to die. Scottish football, not just Celtic, need Rangers

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01 Apr 2012 21:27:00
Hey fellows bears IF Our beloved team were to be liquidated Surely we can and have to follow newco team because for us memories NEVER die and we will always be RANGERS in our hearts!I would HATE if our 140year history went!but it will always stay with us because we are the people and we will support OUR team ever more RANGERS WILL NEVER DIE!

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01 Apr 2012 17:58:39
ed can i ask you a question mate do you think rangers will be liquidated or do you think we will survive

campbell {Ed001's Note - I still think there is a good chance Rangers will pull through.}

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Hope you are right ed

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Thanks ed

campbell

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01 Apr 2012 19:55:17
Barcelona's motto "mes que un club" more than a club, when we last played them we displayed that in the govan stand rightly and fairly why, simple because we are an institution, but to continue as an institution and be more than a club we as fans must unite together and ultimately back whoever saves us, for brother bears in our darkest of times we must not be liquidated for make no mistake liquidation means the end of RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB.BLUNTRU72 AYE READY

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Not as if Rangers are the only way a group can express support for the region they believe should be autonomous at worst, independent at best.

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01 Apr 2012 19:05:14
Good evening.

As we get ready for the start of another week in this ongoing fiasco being fronted by Duff & Phelps I really do feel that we are now almost at an end game.

It may not be popular with everyone but in my honest opinion I think liquidation will happen this week, the figures being "leaked" from all over the weekend relating to the 3 main bids all quote figures of around 25-30 million, now even without the BTC 30 million will not go far so it would appear that liquidation is the plan for the bidders, possibly with the exception of The Blue Knights. Other options such as a CVA require funds, even 10p in the pound will total an easy 5-6 million and Rangers(in administration) do not have that so how can the CVA be funded ? Regulars who have seen my previous posts will know I have never had any confidence in D&P, I do not think they are working to a plan for someone else, just simply that they have handled the entire project wrongly.

As a consolation I would be now trying to get on the right side of as many SPL members as it could come in handy, I understand the frustration that the fans feel towards DUFC but they may be the difference in any newco getting straight back in to the SPL or not. Recent developments such as Martin Bain dropping his case to me shows also that he knows he was in the wrong and to go to court would reveal even more horrendous tales, As for the newco name etc, my only concern would be that some "rogue" elements may have bought up desired names, one final point, has anyone heard anything about club deck debenture holders ? I have seen my friends debenture paperwork that states if the club goes in to administartion the deb holders become creditors - a bit different from season ticket holders I think - any ideas Ed ?
Anyway guys as you know I am an Airdrie fan and do hope something positive does happen for Rangers, so to the fans best of luck to you all.

Diamond Geezer

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Cheers geezer no point kidding our selfs on it will be liquidation some time this week any way time to bury ma head in the sand .. Kenny bluenose

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Yes the bids have been mentioned at 25-30 million but what d&p asked for last time was what funds the bidders can provide towards a cva and that what these figures are and even if we lose the tax case then 30 million is about 30 in the pound and if i was a creditor of the club i would jump at that rather than get nothing if the club was to go into liquidation.
CalumB800

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01 Apr 2012 19:25:39
A mesage to Sir David Murray. Firstly you were the best thing that happened to the Gers, Gazza, Brian, The Hammer, etc. I am such a lucky fan to have seen all these guys and so many more. Now you have to step in and stop liquidation! You can go from the most loved owner to the most hated if you do nothing. You know what Rangers are, only you can save the history and help me tell my sons why WATP!

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You were the people, maybe, keep your dvds its all you'll have soon. Adcfc

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SDM and his companies are £900m in debt and owned by the bank..don't expect any help from him soon.

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SDM is owned by the bank, the bank is owned by the tax payer, we own SDM.... CheltBlue

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01 Apr 2012 17:07:32
Rangers fans need to wake up and
smell the coffee. All D and P have
done is line their own pockets with
the money from Rangers fans. Ibrox
has been packed to the rafters by
fans professing to save the club.
The Celtic fans showed how to save
a club in the 1990s, they stopped
giving money to the bad guys and
made them irrelevant. Boycott the
remaining matches keep the money
for the newco.

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Unlike other clubs nearly all our fans are season ticket holders

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Who really cares what Celtic fans do away back and spill your p!sh on the septic site ya clown ... Kenny bluenose

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01 Apr 2012 17:07:13
just over 3.000 at inverness today in a very important league game....nearly 50.0000 at ibrox to watch old farts....pretty much sums up the huge diff. between clubs in the spl......nah! they dont need us....deecee

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Inverness will pay taxes on the 3,000 will rangers on there 50,000?

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Well well well...another broken timmy record...go figure...deecee

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DEECEE, another rangers broken record, 50,000 depriving cancer charity of money

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01 Apr 2012 17:02:46
Sdm on tv 2 weeks ago said when it reaches the danger zone a will step in his words not mine so sdm it's in the danger zone so were the f..k are you you put us in this mess so get. Us out of it ... Kenny bluenose

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01 Apr 2012 16:20:25
Never believed that this could happen to Rangers, but it appears that liquidation is looming. It seems to me that every court case in the past and the many more coming I the future seems to be about who we can screw and how much we can screw them for.
I was brought up believing that we did things the right way. We were slightly superior to other clubs, and that us clearly not been the case. We have been run in our recent history by dubious characters and using even more devious Actions.
Am I the only person who believes we should do the right thing and pay our debts.
If that means selling every first team player then that should be what happens. If I can't afford my car I sell it and get a lesser car. If that means relegation then so be it, if that means them winning ten in a row, so be it. At least we would do the right thing, and when we did recover we would have at least our name and history intact.
But let's make sure that we no earn our lesson, we should never be owned by one man, NEVER.
The fans have to oWn the club, because at the end of the day they are the ones suffering, and really they are the only ones that care about the club.
No more men with egos bigger than their wallet, no more sheisters, no more con men. Lets do the right thing for once.

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01 Apr 2012 16:06:52
Right as some Sunday papers are saying is that D&P are giving rangers to Wednesday for all final offers. There's no Europe next year so that doesn't bring in any money,season ticket money is away for 3 years so is liquidation the next step ? 

Maths isn't my strongest point so don't shoot me down but if you have 22 players on a average wage of 15k pw then over a year that's just over 17m in wages alone ticketus are giving rangers 24m but 24m over 3 years without intrest is 8m per year so right away that's about 25m + what ever the intrest is on ticketus? They also need players so there is say 5m for 2/3 players. 

So if the blue knights or whoever makes another bid they need at least 30m for 1 season ? With the state rangers are in I can't see anyone bar mcgregger going for more than 3m ? So even selling the top 4 players isn't going to bring in a lot of money. 

Basically is liquidation the only way for rangers ? If Whyte holds the keys to ibrox & Murray park & he doesn't want to sell & decides to put rangers down he will get 20 ish million for ibrox & Murray park ? So even if a bid does come in then Whyte must be looking for a big pay off ie something along the lines of what Murray park & ibrox are worth ? So now that totals 50m ? 

I hope you post this ed as its not a cheap dig or that just want to know people thoughts on this saga? Think last weekend shows that the OF need each other & the spl need the OF 

Lenny

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If its a newco, the old firm Derby is void.

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Lenny,
Rangers will rake in around 15M on season ticket sales, 8M will go to ticketus.
that leaves 7M to go towards wages, so going by your figures a new buyer would only need to put in 10M to cover wages.
All though we still have a fair few depts on top of this.
I don't think any 1 knows the exact figures involved.
Gary

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Not a hope in hell of getting 15 million in season ticket money.

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D&P issued a “Memorandum of Offer” inviting expressions of interest in acquiring either the majority shareholding in Rangers or most of its business assets. The Memorandum of Offer issued on 14 March 2012 invited interested parties to assume that “no future revenue needs to be committed to Ticketus” both in the context of a CVA and a trade sale of Rangers’ business and assets. D&P issued a revised Memorandum on 16 March 2012 which contained a third option of a CVA in which the arrangements with Ticketus continued to have effect.

Ticketus will be paid out of the creditors pot what ever is left after the secured creditor is paid in full as will rest of creditors on a pro rota basis

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01 Apr 2012 15:28:29
You don't get remembered for what you have done years ago you get remembered for your recent, current and probably more importantly your FUTURE actions, that's why every single rangers fan needs to completely wash their hands of Murray, this guy thinks he's f£cking bullet proof man, there's every chance that he's KILLED our club, my mates say to me " but Paul he brought laudrup, gazza, de boer to us" that then takes us to the stupidest question ever asked, "would you trade those days to be strong today" or how I like to ask it "would you trade those days to still be alive next year" NO players bigger than our club but Murray didn't think that back then and now we are MORE than paying for it now as fans. I can't see how we are getting out of this as RFC. What do you think ed mate? It's getting bleaker ain't it man?
PaulRFC

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Agree Paul with your thoughts about Murray. Unfortunately there's no chance element involved mate, I think we're f£££ed, unless somebdy with wads of cash and a sentimental attachment to RFC appears before Wednesday. The saddest thing is, and on your point about ""being remembered about what you did years ago", i got your point as far as Murray is concerned, but his actions will also wipe everything that our club has been al about,and achieved in the last 140 years. That's ultimately the way i'll remember Murray. The good day's were good, but they're not gonna be around for much longer,and that's the agony us bears have to endure. Stevie-A-Bear

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01 Apr 2012 15:15:11
47,000 for match against ac milan.superb.thanks ac.thanks super ally.

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Totally agree.The Legends game on Friday was a feel good night for all concerned. And our manager Super Ally scored the winning goal. Superb!

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Tbh as a tic fan I fancied going to this game, never would but if it was on tv would have watched it tho

Lenny

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Living in the past cos u have no future.artybhoy

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01 Apr 2012 15:02:33
Administrators Duff and Phelps are bracing Rangers fans for the liquidation of their club.

After seven weeks in charge at Ibrox Duff and Phelps seem no closer to a solution and have described Rangers as a 'financially stricken institution'.

The £600/hour administrators have run up their own hefty bill but have still to clarify the situation regarding Craig Whyte's shareholding and the complex deal with London based agency Ticketus.

On Friday Ally McCoist openly discussed the liquidation route before Duff and Phelps issued a statement that the consortiums interested in the club must declare their best bid by Wednesday.

There are only three bids left in contention for the club with Paul Clark issuing a stark warning that exiting administration through a CVA may not be possible.

He said: "The preferred option remains a CVA. We still think it is achievable and we're still recommending that as the preferred course of action to the bidders. We must accept, though, that we have in Rangers a financially stricken institution.

"All of the options have to remain open and it may be that some of the bidders decide that they would rather start afresh."

"CVA is our option and it remains an option for all of the bidders. However, we cannot rule out the winning bid could prefer a different structure that meant the sale of the business to a new company and in that eventuality it is certainly possible that Rangers would be liquidated, but it would only be done so after the football club was made safe.

The latest comments from Duff and Phelps are in marked contrast to their introduction at an Ibrox media conference.

Despite having little detail to hand they presented an upbeat message and expressed their confidence that the club would come out of administration with most of the financial problems created by Craig Whyte's ownership.

On February 16 Clark said: Looking to the future we are hopeful that a Company Voluntary Arrangement can be achieved and these are measures that are put in place and deal with all of the club's liabilities.

"As a result of our preliminary assessment we are wholly confident that Rangers will continue as a football club.

"We do not think that liquidation and the closure of the club is a likely outcome at all.

"We need to stabilise the financial position and ensure from now on income exceeds expenditure.

"We fully understand the 140 years history of Rangers Football Club and are taking steps to ensure this history will endure."

The reality of the situation that Rangers are in has been largely overlooked in favour of short term solutions such as avoiding player redundancies, battling for second place and the future of McCoist.

Liquidation is looking more and more likely, probably before the end of the current season, with the first alarm bells going off a month ago from director Dave King.

On March 7 he stated: It grieves me to state that it seems inevitable that the footballing institution will survive but the company won't."

Later on that day Duff and Phelps issued an equally stark warning: However, no one should be in any doubt that in the absence of sufficient cost-cutting measures or receipt of substantial unplanned income, the Club will not be able to fulfil its fixtures throughout the remainder of the season.

The liquidation of Rangers before the end of the season will be a catastrophe for the credibility of the SFA and SPL.

With numerous legal issues still to be addressed the re-emergence of a newco Rangers is likely to be even more messy than the administration of the existing club.

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Duff & Duffer - obviously realising questions are being asked now as the fans are waking up...time to pack those saddlesbags and get out of town

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Liquidation will not be a catastrope. It will be a test of the SPL and SFA how they handle a re-formed Rangers in the league structurs, but as far as the fans are concerned the newco will be Rangers in all but company name.

All this tosh about Rangers Mk2 not being the successor to Rangers is purely technical. Clubs are first and foremost defined by their supporters and as such the team playing in blue at Ibrox will always be the team that began in 1872.

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01 Apr 2012 14:29:35
I would like to clear something up once and for all. The proposed legislation change WILL NOT effect Rangers. Our creditors WILL challenge liquidation as it is not in their interest to have a desolved company and get nothing. IF Rangers were any other company and we didn't care about our history we would all be thankful of liquidation. And please don't start on at me about the shame of not paying debts, seriously its business and our company has been run poorly and this is the consequence. I am shocked that everyone has taken the Craig Whyte bait. For gods sake wake up and realise Craig Whyte is a scapegoat not the bogey man. SDM has played us all as fools for years.

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The creditors do get one thing from liquidation. If we liquidate, all our assets are sold and the proceeds split between the creditors. Of course the creditors receive something, it seems to be a myth amongst some of our supporters that the creditors will get nothing if we liquidate.

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01 Apr 2012 12:35:41
Bain and King in various news outlets attacking Murray Group and David Murray.

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01 Apr 2012 12:12:19
if we are liquidated i for one will be deeply saddened. yes there are those who say we will reform but it's just not the same. we lose our identity and proud history. craig whyte will not have a life worth living if we hit the wall yet he believes he will still have a role to play.

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Agree totally mate,posted very similar message couple of days ago,we are not alone with these thoughts,thousands of other true fans feel exactly the same

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Craig W is the panto villain. Nothing more. SDM is your man

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Their is more than cw + sdm involved the hole lot filled their pockets the truth will come out liquidation some time this week ... Kenny bluenose

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Exactly m8 couldn't agree more - its always been my family first then Rangers and I would be like many totally devastated. Hatred is a strong word but would be truly aimed at the few who are responsible for this and I make no apologises for feeling this way.

Gers1986

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If Rangers go into liquidation and reform as a "newco" could a supporter's trust not enquire about reviving the Rangers name and look to agree a CVA with the creditors who were left high & dry?

We could let the fans who want to follow the newco company go and keep the rest of us decent fans who want to see "Rangers" continue no matter where we need to start.

The Pilot!

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Exactly (#5). "Rangers" will continue if that's what the fans want, which they do. The rest is just legal wrangling so I say leave that to the wranglers.

Here's an amusing thought. Could the players buy the club?

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01 Apr 2012 11:54:23
Right seriously celtic and their fans, get a grip! see this look at the table bollox its gettin annoyin now! its your war cry! seriously, before we got the 10 point deduction you lot were like 5 or 6 points infront, then boom now you lot were 15 or 16 points not 20! it only became 20 cos we lost a few games during this time, right see if we never lost they 10 points it would still be 5 points and that's not really that good for celtic ( world beaters haw haw ) cos I'm sure fellow bears would agree that you lot would be sh!ting yourselves even more and quite frankly the title would go down to the wire, oh sorry am sure you lot will win the title somepoint haw haw! stewie

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Really Stewie is that all you have to occupy your time. Strangly I would have thought you would have had more on your mind.................

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Stewie........look at the league table. Even that auld tadger Wattie says the best team wins the league. I wonder how much he got paid for that interview. Because you lot have been screwed by guys you worshipped try not to get tetchy. League Champions 2012- Glasgow Celtic.......look at the table if you don't believe me. It's only 20 becuae we lost a few games?? lmao listen yourself you sad sad man. Hail Hail with jelly and ice cream

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What you should have said Stewie is that Celtic ain't as good as they think they are,they will win the league though. My reasons for above statement, RFC have been skint but still won the league last 3 years, Celtic spent a fortune, we beat them 4-2, and 3-2, this year,despite all our problems,and not just financial ones, we've had no strikers for most of the season,should have had a draw at Celtic park as well.(Wallace's goal)
Stevie-a-bear

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This skint rfc bleeding heart b****cks when done 3in a row is a MYTH!!WALTER spent millions that yous couldnt afford,look at price off players he brought in i.e. davis lafferty mendes miller velicka bougherra jelavic,thats about 20million!stevo

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Stewie.... you were doing good at the math from 5/6 points to 15/16 and then 20 points only cause you lost a few games, then from 20 you go to 5 points 20-10= 10 not 5, but i see how you would want it to seem less then what it is (strawclinching, for if Celtic didnt lose we would be 30-40points ahead from your thinking). i find it funny how you say its only cause you lost a few in that time, well thats how sports work you lose and win for celtic lost a few to give you that lead and then we went on 26 WIN STREAK(did yous while we were losing?), but i guess that has nothing to do with anything for its all admin fault eh.
and stevie-a-i still have my head in the sand bear, have you seen whats going on with your club cause they have been spending what yous didnt have in order to cheat to win! for yous should not have had jel or any other player that was a big price. Celitc have been living within thier means for years now to avoid losing our GREAT history, for we have had to look for bossmans and good deals to get people and us paying more for a player is because we had the money to do so from saving so we could make some moves. I guess you rankers fans dont understand how a buissness works, maybe with your new team yous guys can work together to understand buisness.

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Why does everyone say rangers won the past three years even though they wee skint. Rangers may well have been skint, in hindsight, but the still spent a lots of money signing players, (jelavic, lee Wallace, matt McKay, a loan fee for Weiss etc)

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@5 smeltic living within their means for years? Dermot Demond has pumped £20m into the club since 1995 and in 2010 you mortgaged Lennoxtown for an undisclosed sum. When the going got tough you sell Mr Petrov and McGeady for about £16m to help balance your books, which about balances the last 5 yrs of transfers in and out.
Further since 2000 you have spent in the transfer market e138.4m and received e74.8m in transfers, a deficit of e63.5m. Liam Miller, Jan Van DriverfromCastlemilk, Thomas Graveson and Nakamura were all let go for a zero return.
You do not have a very good return on resale.
You have not won the league for the last 3 years and failed in the League Cup against a team some 20 odd points behind you this year.
You have had no refereeing problems for 26 games then get 2 in a week.
As no doubt you have watched the Ch4 reports, Friday's did confirm that Rangers are the biggest club in Scotland and one of the biggest in the UK and a global support. Now you can't question Ch4's award winning Mr. Thomson now.
Fnally I am surprised you didn't know about the above transfer spend performance of the 2nd biggest club in Scotland and a club trying to nudge its way into England.

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At least we balance the books

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@7...what you talking about, you fans still dont see the point! you just go on a rant about this and that. what you say may be correct but you lose the whole point of the topic and that is Celtic have done a great and proper job running the club by living within our means. you even say the answer in your reply, for we have a balance sheet which is somthing yous have never had hence yous were cheating not paying taxes and teams,dodgy contracts, doing anything possible to do stuf under the table and now looking at liq. you can spend money but to do so you have to make sure you can pay it or get it in return for that is first point in buissness, and we have such a low deficit now we can sell 1-2 player and be out so good times ahead in which we can develop our club as a whole for the better and always improving the proper way. we have been looking ahead of time for awhile and thinking of the future which your club was running from and trying to avoid. for we have had to make sacrifices(selling players and not buying players ect) as well as recently finding good deals on players with development for a great sell on value as well our development squad. you cant possibly say that our young team wont bring in at least 20mil btw a couple players and you cant say that your team has more people in demand for epl and others, well maybe now cause they will go on the cheep.

lets get it out the way, we were complaining about the refs within that run because we had offsides which went for goals and much more but yous dont remember that eh, i remember ally saying aluko isnt a diver or am i mistaken for more then twice he has been called for it, but you guys dont ever complain right? for what yous have been doing for weeks now facing liq and in that losing run about pen this and goal disallowed that is just support right? you can think your the biggest club but thats just more smoke and mirrors and delusion cause i think Celtic is the bigger club because the proof is out there, but one thing is for sure the way things are going for yous that debate wont last long cause Celtic will be the biggest club in Scotland(last one standing) not to mention its big in north america(where im from) Europe, Asia, Africa and so much more.
the point is you seem to know all about Celtics budget, transfers and what not but you fail to realise that we did all that because we had a buissness plan which is paying off as we see the difference btw us and yous. so maybe in realising this instead of having a problem with what Celtic does you should see just how bad yous were runned by sdm and send your hate to him for he seems to be getting away with it amongst you fans.

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Ok the games up, celtic are 135M in debt, havent paid the taxman, players wages have been cut until summer when they will all leave ,been deducted 10 points and may not survive to the end of the season. we hoped no-one would notice.
where did you get that great big steaming pile of bullsh1t ? dermot desmond is on record numerous times as saying celtic are a business and must be run as one. get this point its very important : celtic take 10M a year more than rangers at the gate. everything else is fairly even. it was impossible for rangers to outspend celtic without going into debt. some of the debt was offset by the ebt tax dodge ( i do like that one, simply the ebts) but even then MIH was carrying most of it. when MIH ran into trouble the game was up. it looks like billionaire craig whyte came in to wreck it but keep as much as possible under wraps and palm it off cheap.
the big mystery is how the hell did rangers fans believe it all ? you really thought rangers were bigger than celtic all those years.no good ever came of a marble f&&&&&g staircase, now did it ?

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@10 'that great big steaming pile of bullsh!t' mmmmmmmmm is from one of your own smeltic websites. Interesting reading indeed.
Now if I can find it on the web someone as literal as you could as well.
Now this refereeing business wot about the two incidents in yesterdays game. The penalty by Loovens and the tackle by Commons. Clear cut, just shows what a bit of mouthing off in the media can do to sway a refs performance.

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01 Apr 2012 11:08:32
Hello all, I will start by saying well done on scraping the three points again lads.
Here goes... I am fed up of fans attacking others for criticising player performances as it is not down to being a "thim" or lack of respect for players/ management.
Ally pointed out yesterday that the players have been through hell and wage cuts etc ( I know it isnt easy for them)... correct me If you think I am wrong but these guys are professionals and the vast majority will find good clubs if we go down. They are over-paid as it is and are not affected by the horrendous economic situation that affects most fans paying their wages so ANY contributing fan has the right to voice their disapproval at performances.
For years I have watched us regularly beat poor teams when we have been out-played in a footballing sense. Most of the players at the club are playing above their level and this is/should be a privalege to put on the shirt.

If we avoid liquidation, unlikely as it seems, I will not mourn the loss of many of the players that are there at the moment because their is proof EVERYWHERE that there are far better alternatives at a significantly lower cost.

Rant over

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01 Apr 2012 11:03:55
Even though he was a thorn in Rangers side on occasion,my best wishes go out to Stan Petrov,get well soon,you were a wee fighter on the park,i now hope you win this battle.

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01 Apr 2012 10:56:46
Here's a though or a conspiracy theory that may answer some of our questions. Does Liquidation really mean the end of RFC, can a viable Newco be founded and have their home at Ibox ?. Would our loyal supporter although up in arms at present really rally and go along and watch our club play in the Scottish 3rd division in their numbers ?. How can we rise from the ashes as a phoenix club and return to the glory days. I don't think this is possible and individuals within the Scottish Government would not allow this to happen. There has been new sectarian laws brought in just recently to try and take away our right to sing our long standing historical songs. Would Scotland shed the religious stigmatism if one of the old firm were to be destroyed forever ?. I believe that there are powers at work to ensure that our club go out of existence and hope this will take away any religious divide. This may be a good thing but not at the expense of our Football Club. We the supporters have not been the reason for our demise, but other individuals past and present have destroyed our standing as a club. While others revell in the thought of liquidation and look set to celebrate at the end of next week, we can all say we played a part in supporting the most successful football club the world has ever seen and no one, but no one will ever be able to take away our memories. WATP.

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Most cheated/corrupted team in history yes but most successful no because we will be stripped so they will be taken away. yous have had enough help from sfa spl gov for all your years now, its time for a change for everyone for the better

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01 Apr 2012 10:42:42
Who do you think is the best and should be the new Rangers owner and why? I think Paul Murray out of the 4

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01 Apr 2012 10:38:16
I feel sure that liquidation is now a formality and HMRC will win the big tax case but will be unable to collect the money.So a lot of clubs in english premier league will be very anxious.Will we get atomatic entry back into our premier league if not we go into the 3rd division.think i wiil stop now too depressing for us all

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01 Apr 2012 10:30:04
Shocking news, Neil Lennon sacked by Celtic for misconduct, Ally McCoist has been targeted as his replacement.

Canyousayaprilfools ;-)

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01 Apr 2012 10:25:21
See these people that keep saying about how mccoist and greig don't tell the truth about the whole whyte carryon . A think if mccoist and greig knew all about this man they would tell the truth

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The claims are that ally and greig knew about EBT's. Im not so sure they knew anything about whyte

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EBT's were not illegal at these times, so it make's no difference if mccoist or greig new about them.
It was the way rangers administered the EBT's that is under question.
These type of scheme's are very common and are still in use as a tax loophole.

Gary

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01 Apr 2012 10:21:04
Is it not funny how the other mob were saying the last 3 year yous win the league cause we had a jelled team . But now we went into admin and players heads went down. Now it's look the state of your team yeeeez are p### yeeeez have got f awl

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01 Apr 2012 10:16:40
Just bought the Sunday life there to read on the back page, linfield are set for a dramatic exit from the carling premier league this summer as plans gather peace for a shock relocation to the spl as rangers replacements! If that's the case I will never be in ibrox again and I no hundreds more that would be the same! {Ed001's Note - I hate April Fool's Day *sighs*}

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01 Apr 2012 10:12:46
So when my life has ended and death has took its part won't u bury all my ashes on the slopes of ibrox park....... My new tatoo

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01 Apr 2012 10:08:05
Why are so many Celtic fans wishing Rangers go bust? Do they not realise the massive implications for their own club? No sky deal, reduced sponsorship and the other 10 teams in the league will then be able to vote in their new voting structure and be able to demand half the gate money for every league game. Just think of the money that Celtic are going to lose and their ability to attract other players. It seems however that some people seem to hate Rangers more than they support their own team.

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They don't like you...

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01 Apr 2012 08:31:21
AM, WS and SDM all hoping for a
Rangers "fan" to save the club and
their necks....if another "outsider"
gets in and lifts the lid on the EBT's
then the fans won't accept these so
called "RFC directors" back at ibrox.

The truth needs to come out.
Who has been running/ruining the
club for the last 12years, its a
short time in the history of the club.

All the records should be there
(records management rules) or have
they been destroyed....

Fans have paid the ulimate price
for the greed of a few...

What do you think?

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01 Apr 2012 07:23:59
It was Murray that got us into this terrible mess and Murray who authorised these EBTs it's him who should be held accountable as much as I despise whyte he was only person who would touch us with a barge pole Murray was desperate toget out while he could. If he has any decency he would come to a Q&A meeting with hard paying fans who now have to wait on there team being liquidated while he hides away like the coward he is. Time for mass protests. The Scottish media have also done us a massive injustice with there refusal to investigat or criticise murray. Does any1 agree we should boycott buying tabloids? WATP

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01 Apr 2012 06:36:45
The sports 9 American deal has a finders fee /management fee to CW of 259,000o pounds

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01 Apr 2012 05:28:23
PROTEST
Bears I will say it again. You the ordinary fan needs to get off the couch and protest. Let the world know that you are as disgusted with what's been going on as the fast of us are. It wasn't done in your name. Show solidarity and expect support from real football fans everywhere. It won't save the club, but it will set the record straight. Joe PRC

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01 Apr 2012 03:20:51
How have Rangers benefited from ebts?
Where is the unfair advantage? Apart
from those who have milked the club
financially, there is no evidence of foul
play on the field!

Nine in a row era, NO EBTS!

3 in a row NO EBTS! (plus uefa final)

It was the advocat era that used ebts. Tbts.
Ebts made no difference on the park.

I know that corruption is corruption, but
I hope the SFA take this into account.
that success on the park was not due
to ebts! We didnt need to use them,
a major f**k up from the pocket liners!

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1) EBT's, although greatly reduced, were still in use up to 2010.

The argument is that Rangers would not have been able to meet the wage demands so called big name players without the use of EBT's. There was tax savings for the club on what they would normally have to pay on high wage bills.

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01 Apr 2012 01:42:45
All this talk of Rangers being liquidated before the 6th April because of the new law is utter crap because the new law doesn't take effect until 2013! And why would any potential buyer liqudate the company when the BTC hasen't been ruled yet meaning that the current debt of about £20 million debt can easily be cleared by a CVA.

CalumB800

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This years debt is 20 million. You owe a sh*t load more to everyone i think you should talk to more of you club supporters and they might fill you in .......b

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New law starts 6.4.12 it was brought out end feb was on the news just after portsmouth agent in to admistration

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So Rangers will clear their current debt with a CVA then come out of administration? If they then lose the BTC do they go back into administration?

Firstly the club owes more than £20 million, they owe Ticketus who are still creditors unsecured or not. They owe HMRC for this financial years PAYE and NIC. They owe debentures to Rangers supportersthese are just the big creditors. Rangers probably currently owe close to 50 million even before the big tax case

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If the club was liquidated he would make money and lots of it , if we never had any debt, in a football sense its an absolute disgrace in a buisiness sense its probably the only way to make money....
craig+babybear

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Dont no where u been but mccoist said it on friday,paul murray said a cva not likely n group 9 said if it takes the club it will liquadate it,all facts n no crap

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01 Apr 2012 00:44:16
Time too stop pussy footing about if these dubious payments are technically loans and nothing at all has been paid back then now is the time to demand repayment this would show who the real "legends" are. Also if something was repaid it would surely show they were non-contractural (straw clutching at). Lets bear in mind bolton have debts over 200 million and aston villa lost 54 million in last financial year alone(QPR on course too exceed this with tin pot stadium) surely an agreement can be reached with hmrc too accept a time to pay repayment they allow you to pay over 25 years for student loans as do mortgage companies a similar time to pay arrangement could be agreed anything to avoid liquidation. Also they'd get ALL their money.

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Listen mate you still don't get it. It was not a loan it was a payment.No wonder your clubs in trouble......b

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For a start these legends were given letters saying they would never need to pay back these loans just another dodgy tax avoidance! So it was technically a payment not a loan! And QPR have extremely wealthy owner and they are in EPL who's bottom team gets more than any spl champion gets even with a good champ league run!!

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2). If Rangers called in these payments to players they or their Agents would no doubt produce letters to say these 'loans' did not require to be paid back

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31 Mar 2012 23:53:20
Time to realise that the guys running our beloved club have ripped the heart out. From Murray to Greig, to Bain, to Ogilvie, to mcclelland. All out to make a few quid, at the expense of a great institution. It saddens me so much that the club I have loved for fifty years is lurching towards being no more.

And all for greed ans self interest.

We as a club have had many great times, many horrific times where people have died in support of them and these so called rangers men have put an end to it. May they forever hang their heads in shame and may they forever be reminded of their part in this fiasco.

Sir D M stated that he was merely a custodian of this great club, well you were the custodian when our club and you have ruined it, what a legacy.

And as for the charlatan Whyte, you are nothing more than a vulture picking the meat of the bones, you are a disgrace.

I have followed my team in Barcelona in 72, I was at the disaster, I was at the cup final when jaws scored the winner, I was in Manchester and the sad thing is my son may not have these things to look forward to.

All for greed.

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Tears in my eye,s
lump in my throat

was,nt jaws goal the best you ever seen.....les

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You have a lot more to worry about than a goal, But glad you had a nice day. The good news comes next week......b

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Well they all happened in the past so he never did have THEM to look forward to.

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Well put, if only more fans of your club would realise this and start going after sdm. i know they may be legends but you have to also look at walter, ally and everyone who had a voice in the club not to mention sfa and spl involvment. this could be the biggest scam/cheat in europe, once fans realise this a change can happen for the better not just for yous but all of spl and scottish football.

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