Rangers Banter Archive March 01 2013

01 Mar 2013 22:56:26
This has dragged on far enough, i'm sure a lot of gers men on here had doubts over which way all the charges against us would go, but we were not clued up enough to make judgements and unlike "them".
we did not dig and dig and dig for evidence against us that has now been proven to have never existed.

That we gained by CHEATING. "They" lambasted us for not trying to dig to clear our name, look where that has got "them", manager foaming at the mouth, statements being released "their fans ready to join the lemmings club.
Enough! time to throw back the accusations that have consistently aimed at us, the Rangers fans and I being one have been very quiet, more like still in shock as to what has been happening over the last 2 years, now its time to come to terms that we will not go away and we have had our last hit.
That last verdict proves we are here to stay so let's start standing up for ourselves there are no more planned cases in the near future ( HMRC case outstanding) so we are now on a good footing to go forward.
jammydodger

Totally agree. Doesn't help when muppets like Hartson say that we paid £47m in EBTs - true, but he never mentions that if we never had EBTs we would have paid wages! We can never know if the wages would have matched the EBT amount every year, however in 2000 our wage bill was £30m. In 2006 the highest EBT year, our wage bill & EBT amount was £24m. Do the maths. EBTs were a legal way to avoid tax and as Lord Nimmo says, it gave no sporting advantage.

DB

I know nothing about the law (probably the same as the SPL and SFA lawyers) so when a respected legal expert makes a judgement and explains why he has made that decision, I leave it to others in the law profession to challenge the findings if they believe them to be incorrect. The silence is deafening!!

@1 Its all about the bottom line and without EBT'S your players, managers and directors could not have been offered the same take home pay. So without EBT'S you could not possibly have attracted the same class of player unless you had forked out a lot more money, putting your old club in even more debt.

@3 - And you know this how? as I said, our wage bill in 2000 was higher than any year that we had the EBTS. Prior to EBTs we attracted Gazza, Laudrup, Butcher etc All EBTs done was give the players a tax advantage

01 Mar 2013 21:03:44
David Murray should pay the 250,000 fine if he has any morals about him to what he done to Rangers or donate it to charity.

When the EBT loans are repaid (on death of loanee), a pot of £50 million will exist in offshore trust.

who owns that, and was it sold to by a pension. because that would by £500,000 a year for life for someone.

Has cg donated the money from Dundee to charity yet? Or just more lies

Why would Dundee give money to Rangers?. Try and do your research a little bit more Dundee United are the team that owe Rangers monies. I am quite sure once D/Unt send money to Mr Greene said money will be passed on. Well done Rangers.

@2 more to the point have we been given the money?

01 Mar 2013 19:40:26
Rangers should SUE the spl and everyone involved as investors and sponsors turned away from us with all the fear mongering proaganda that was pumped out my people with one agenda in mind.
They wanted us gone, hate the term but massive FAIL!

That would be very hard to prove and, with the club running at a loss according to Green, would you want money risked on such a case?

So they will all be falling over themselfs now you been found guilty

To ask rangers to agree to titles being stripped before any independent inquiry was held is wrong and should be looked into. mark.

@3 that's why Doncaster must resign. He more than anyone has been shown to be completely incompetent and comes out of the whole sorry episode worse than anyone

01 Mar 2013 15:58:29
the spl committee that sat and asked rangers to hand over titles will have had minute's of that meeting already in november topping announced leaving at the end of season and thomson resigned. now it will come out in the wash eric riley motioned this title striping and was seconded by duncan fraser. puppet doncaster had to do as he was told and put the offer to rangers guess who gets hung out to face the music. well liewell, s puppet riley cowers away into the background. the lenght's some people will go to to try and catch the most domestically honoured club in the world.

Good god! Did lawwell shoot Kennedy? Was he behind the Iraq invasion? Check under your bed mate, he might be there.

01 Mar 2013 17:42:01
Three members of the SPL all resigned within a few months of each leaving, Riley, Fraser, Johnston and Doncaster, Thompson of Dundee utd stated he resigned due to professional differences in November and both Brown of St Johnstone and Weir of Motherwell left in July claiming the same reason.

I'm sure it was said yesterday that all possible scenarios were put on te table for chales green to choose one included stripping of titles. The fact he was granted a temporary licence something that's unheard of shows that the sfa have helped rangers out in all of this.

01 Mar 2013 15:38:37
Is it just me or are the league reconstruction proposals absolute lunacy. I'm not sure if I've got this 100% accurate, seems pretty confusing, but do the clubs that end up in the 8 team play off have their points reset to 0 after 22 games? If that is the case then I think Scottish football is screwed.

What are everyone else's thoughts on the plans?

Same as in all playoffs. doh,

Not really. You tell me another good footballing nation That has a 14 game playoff and a league that is broken up into two mini seasons.

It's an awful over elaborate model. Teams could theoritically accumulate more points over an entire season than a competitor that has finished above them.

02 Mar 2013 09:31:59
@2: just like the SPL now.

Yeah, that's one of the reasons I think we need to change. But coming up with a model that still includes similar elements is no good.

01 Mar 2013 13:23:01
murray says spl knew gers were using ebts for the last 10 years but it was never an issue, so why was it over the last year?, think we need an enquiry!

Think we need to let it bloody go!

Aye bring out the haters the sfa knew it was in the accounts every year

01 Mar 2013 11:54:11
24hours on an the anger is still oozing out of many disgruntled fans. Said fans are cluthig at straws that this spl appointed UNBAISED, INDEPENDANT decision will not be accepted by the spl board. Sad.

Say it like its is Celtic fans can't accept it! 54 league titles and still going strong.
Jelly and ice cream anyone.

Doesn't really matter if spl accept it or not the simple fact is that the old rangers were found guilty regardless whether or not the punishment fits the crime. a lesser punishment doesn't lessen the crime. TTTS

Aye but simple fact is we didn't gain an unfair advantage on the pitch according to the report.

@2. Crime? Are you serious? It was a basic error. A slight misdemeanor. which. meant we gained no unfair advantage on the pitch. No players were illegible. They were honestly won titles and are by no means tainted.

@4. Oh how silly of me. TTTS

01 Mar 2013 10:59:05
doncaster, regan. all the cronies. should be sacked. what have they brought to our game. any new talent? league reconstruction shambles, new facilities, still waiting. rangers shambles. sacked

Who caused the Rangers shambles in the first place? there wasn't this shambles with gretna - why? Because they weren't desperate to keep Gretna afloat and in the league.

They gave you a one day registration so you could play against brechin because you had run out of time to register. they tried to get you into the first division. for what ever reason they are saying you are the same club with the same history. nothing has changed same strips with stars and all. they even let you into the league in the first place even although you had no previous accounts. everyone has bent over backwards for you but rather than be grateful that you have a club to support, you are still not happy its still everyone else fault.
leonbhoy.

@2 do you REALLY believe that they done everything to help us? ha how sad you are. You should listen to the English phone ins, they can't believe what has happened to us and that's neutral people looking on, they are laughing at Scottish football that deliberately changed itself from a country with a two team league with one fixture a season that any neutral had even a passing interest in to a league that no one outside of tims could give a dam about. You would rather see Rangers die and Scottish football with it, including your proxy team, than support your club in a competitive league and that's very very sad, predictable, but sad. P. S. there was only one team applied for entry to the league so they didn't favour anyone they gave us a licence to try and hold on to a tiny bit of credibility. Do you really think that if we did not get into div 3 we would all just have gone away? Think on.

@3 Well where would you have gone?
Tam

N2 the spl shoul have and could have saved everyone all this hastle l bet they now wish they had went down the easier routes that were available to them look at the mess this has caused I hope there is no league reconstruction see whos left come 2014 2015 season they never thought of the bigger picture cheers

01 Mar 2013 09:34:58
hi ed, I find it quite funny that when you don't get a certain outcome that you hoped for or wanted, it is now time to "move on", " put things to bed". sorry, if anything it is now time for rangers to get justice. I hope green and murray are now taking legal advice, to take possible legal action against certain individuals and groups, who work in the football and media circles, and sue the backsides off the lot, who for the last year or so have done nothing more than spread lies, lies, and more lies ( which was proved never to be true ) and that they get what we have had to put up with! watp, 54 and counting!

The most important statement is that
we are not guilty of cheating. Celtic fans can not accept this and proberly some of them never will.

The new kit sponsor is with puma. it would be more appropriate if it was with CHEETAH.

Oh boom boom

N2 you're jokes are amazin eh

01 Mar 2013 08:39:45
One last comment on the events of yesterday which was overlooked

Well done to each and every bear that was able to make a donation to the RFFF during that time of so much uncertainty

Those donations enabled the RFFF to provide the funding for legal services, which ensured our justly won titles remained intact

JG

Posted something Similair yesterday bit it didn't get through well done to each and every bear for sticking by the club it means the world to me to have shared great memory's with all of you at Ibrox or in the pubs or wherever it may be and here's to many more. Rangers Forever!

Larky Bear

01 Mar 2013 07:39:28
Sir David Murray; Loser!

This is the man who believed Craig Whyte was an honest man, so nothing Murray says can be considered remotely accurate. He's a fool.

If David Murray had been confident of winning the Big Tax Case then he would never have sold the club to Whyte for a pound and we would very likely still be in the SPL. He has a lot to answer for.

And yes I admit I bought into the guy back in the 9 in a row years.

N1 I agree with most of the things you say but I don't agree with the murray thing murray was obviosly put more presure than he could handle obviosly if he new then what he nows now we would still be in the spl I blame the people that presurised him and let's be honest a few of us were panickin

01 Mar 2013 00:41:49
To all fellow bears who were constantly moaning about the kit deal being delayed and to others who gave me stick for defending our team,
its time to put your hands up and say our management have done well to get us a 5 year deal with Puma,
this is as a direct result of the tie in with Mike Ashley who owns about 3% of that company.
Now give credit where it is due and perhaps after today we can finally get back to talking about football and our journey on the way back to where we belong.
The next milestone will be the AGM where the plans to take us forward will be communicated

then, now, and forever

JG

It will be people moaning about the sponsorship now though!

JG. details details details. ?

Given you floated on AIM - how much for the deal? How good a deal is thhis, as you say Ashley owns some of puma - as drives a hard bargain. is there any profit for rangers fc in this, or is the profit to rangers retail?

What about the promises about Adidas?

Well blackthorn cider been announced as sponser so that's another one put to bed.

Not carling black label then,,,, cider!

Hear wurzzles being lined up as next mascots.