Rangers Banter Archive May 01 2012

01 May 2012 22:33:52
Glasgow Rangers were my life. If the preferred bidder thinks I'll support a newco. They are in dreamland. I love my football and my club. If they liquidate I'd rather follow Cove Rangers.

Well good luck wih the travel arrangements to Cove mate, cos your mob are going down.

@1 I think you'll find the OP was a bhoy, and his mob going down, as you put it, is your mob.

I bet nobody will know the difference between a newco and the current Rangers. Lots of nonsense being talked on the subject.

Actually No2 Im a Thistle supporter but its interesting that anyone who expresses a contrary view is immediately deemed to be a Celtic fan. See- there are more than 2 teams in Scotland.

Do thisle fans sing bigoted songs ,yes they do , like in one of their songs f the pope and f the queen ,whats your answer to that mr maryhill magyar doug

4,)
probably only people in scotland know that ;-)

bill72

Whos glasgow rangers never hears of that team

@4 Apologies 4, so many posters expressing views masquerading as disillusioned "Glasgow Rangers were my life" die hards, when they're obviously not - Easy to tar those joining in the joke with the same brush.

Away oh go then mate, we don't need you! Ou don't even understand the situation! BM has stated that his plan will not mean end of our history. The admins even said that the newco structure will not mean losing history. What part of that don't you understand?

My answer is that we are even handed in our disikes. However, I fail to see the relevance of your question to my posts.

01 May 2012 23:02:12
if the tbk and bm have rangers at heart why not join forces and do it together if it for the goood of rangers must be a good thing

Because TBK have Rangers best interests at heart, but don't have the funds to satisfy the creditors. BM is a business man who is investing in Rangers to make a profit for himself. Even if BM gets preferred bidder status, given his track record, I doubt if his takeover will actually happen. I think the future of Rangers is still very uncertain.

Bill miller doesn't have rangers at heart, he's in it for a quick buck.

Perhaps your presumption is wrong?

2.)
quick buck?

anyone else we know who did the same?
- lets hope BM is as successful as the bunnet

bill72

01 May 2012 22:10:11
just watched ally on the sport on sky, if anyone else saw this clip,was this not a more relaxed upbeat fresh looking mcoist , that smile while giving the interview and checking over his shoulder to what could be announced indicates to me anyway, that he knows something going to happen vert soon, and looked quite chuffed with it to boot
jammydodger

Aye he was looking over his shoulder , he thought 4 horses were going to run over him , THEY ARE COMING ,LOL

I dont think you can trust Mccoist,he backed whyte even after administration remember? ally is doing want he does best,looking after ally

Yes he was calling him craig at the start now its whyte wonder what he calls him when he.s off the air doug

01 May 2012 21:53:35
To clear something up, a newco doesnt mean liquidation. It's a mix of liquidating and CVA. History will remain.

Only way for me, clear debt, get all revenue streams coming back into the club catering,tickes, strips etc

J

No chance taxman will not let u walk away from what u owe them

Any form of liquidation or any newco and history is gone! It's totally ridiculous to think you can dart a new company or liquidate part of a company and keep the old company's history! Miller is trying to pull the wool and ease the whole liquidation process on us with blatant lies.

01 May 2012 21:03:23
Why can't our timmy friends and all the other clubs fans skulking about not understand that "we don't do walking away" 140 years of history, 54 titles, 2 European trophies, as far as I am concerned I hope we get out of Scotland and go into the premiership. If we get further points taken off because of the spl and SFA, I won't be going back.

U aint got a clue england cant happen FACT

2 European trophies?

As a genuine neutral I would find it hard to describe Celtic fans as skulking about just now. I remember one European trophy in 1972 (presented to the team in rather unusual circumstances and remind me why Rangers did not play in Europe to defend it) but when was the second victory?

The premiership doesnt want rangers near it, plus it has been explained to posters on here over a million times that uefa rules dont allow it, so its not happenin bud, ntbear

Aberdeen are the only Scottish team with 2 European trophies...

"we don't do walking away" then "if we get further points taken off because of the spl and sfa, I won't be going back" feckin priceless ya clown

2 European trophies have I missed something?

Two euro trophies! been a ger long?........green jhedi

Aberdeen are the only Scottish team with two - it's a fact.

1903

@1@4 "england cant happen FACT" & "uefa rules dont allow it"

I'll admit it is easier said than done, but it's not impossible.

Swansea City and Cardiff City can in theory represent the English leagues in Europe. They can't "represent" wales as they are not in the welsh leagues.

Sort of a Welsh, West Lothian question for football if you like.

To be honest, I quite fancy competing with some of the Top European Teams in the Premiership every week -quite humbling I would imagine, but worth the Challenge! {Ed001's Note - big difference, Cardiff, Swansea and Newport were in the English leagues before UEFA changed the rules.}

@Ed001 Don't doubt you about Eufa rules, but do you have a reference for that? Interested to have a look. {Ed001's Note - it would take me a while to find the correct bit, but it is on the UEFA site, if you scroll down to the bottom and click on the library link, there are a number of PDF docs. I can't remember which one it is in though off the top of my head and 2am isn't the time to go rooting through those!}

@Ed001 Cheers! {Ed001's Note - I hope you could find it in there, it is not exciting reading!}

01 May 2012 20:27:26
Lets just do what needs to be done and go down to SFL3. Build a young team with a few veterans like jig and Healy thrown in.

Let the rest of the spl with their silly online polls see how they get on minus the £600,000 per team, per year that Rangers bring to the league.

More than a few bottom 6 clubs in the spl have turnovers of £3-5m per year be interesting to see how they get on losing up to 25% of that. Severe cuts in playing staff would recuce the wage bill but won't take away the debts these teams have. Hearts have already faced 2 winding up orders and Dundee utd are on the brink of going into admin as well it wont take much to push them over the edge as with 3 or 4 other teams.

As for Celtic good luck selling season tickets at £609 a year on the basis of games against Ross co, Falkirk and St mirren.

Rangers leave the spl and its the League of Wales or Northern Ireland in 18 months.

Seriously what would be left to talk about in Nov/Dec time in the spl?, Celtic 30 points clear, all teams out of Europe, Clubs going into admin all over the place.

Please SPL do not vote us back in if it comes to it.

My season ticket is £498 this year and i sit 3/4 of the way up the lower tier behind the goal that Hooper rattled in the 3rd on sunday. P.s wouldn't mind paying £609 if it mean't ridding Scotland of the vileness that the majority of RFC supporters spout week in week out......Stevie

Don't expect the bill to repair the toilets after Ross County come willl amount to too much.

@1 you must have very very selective hearing and blindness when you cant hear or see what happens around your seat every fortnight then, songs and banners? my case is rested .ps i am not in the MINORITY of both sides idiots and im not very vile as you can see my by my congratulations on you first title in 4 seasons.

Ah but our season book includes europe,probably europa league,but you would grab it!...........green jhedi

And what songs and banners will they be then ? Was it the ones that said words like bye bye , adios, auf wiedersehn, ta ta ,ciao ? That was the only banners round me on sunday, you must be a sensitive wee soul if they upset you...p.s i like to look at it more like 4 titles in 7 seasons....Stevie

What irony Celtic fans on a Rangers forum saying they don't care about Rangers eh if thats the case why you here?

green jhedi has more posts on this forum than any Rangers fan yet always comes out with the we don't need Rangers rubbish.

If you don't need or care about Rangers why you on a Rangers forum talking about Rangers? and what you going to talk about next

@6; wish you people would leave a name,so much easier to shoot you down then!Tell me how we need rangers?...........green jhedi

@6: ever heard of banter?

01 May 2012 18:29:13
just for you ed i posted a reply earlier regarding a post saying celtics title was tainted and i cant seem to find the original post it was posted today at about 2ish (i think) and i replied between 3 and 4. I was just wondering if it had been removed or something or i am losing my mind lol
ps it was a nameless poster so dont know who posted

davie c {Ed001's Note - I delete all the idiotic nonsense about Celtic's title being tainted, it is just pointless.}

Edd take it your in a good mood cause city won last lol but well said since you are a rangers man at heart

lenny {Ed014's Note - Ed001 is a dyed in the wool Liverpool man.It's me that is originally from Glasgow and a Rangers man.I've followed City since I moved down here years ago.

As is celtics title, j/k lol

Ok thanks ed just that i couldnt see it after i replied to it thought i was going crazy lol davie c

OOPS it was Jack LEMON

01 May 2012 17:43:14
Just seen part of the interview with Ally McCoist and he seemed happy that it looked like a newco and not liquidation. But aren't they both pretty much the same thing? What is the big difference between the two?

Cheers

Steve

Do you not have to liquidate to become a newco,or else it would still be an oldco? garlar07

01 May 2012 15:46:10
I see the " thai tims " are over for the next septic game, whilst this is a worthy cause and best wishes to them, I can't help but ask that how and indeed why this name is being used to describe them, I know that is not the official name but it is being used by there support, the BBC and sky sports, I thought we were trying to combat said sectarian colloquialisms or have I missed something? Or alternatively is it ok for them to carry on as they want, but not us? Season ticket holder, gouvan east! Thoughts folks?

It depends on the context, much like the Paddy McCourt song.

You don't support this, your on here trying to devalue what celtic are doing, get a life, p.s. I'm a gers fan.

You sound like a sad lonely little man

For f***S sake its a good cause and all you try and do is point score

Dannybhoy

Not really offensive us tims calling ourselfs tims it's when fans from other clubs use it in derogatory manner to goad us. It's like when black rappers etc use the n word if you catch my drift

Un named bear (as usual hiding ) Celtic and Celtic fans have adopted the Good Child Foundation (aka Thai Tims) some of the children have downs syndrome and the money we raise helps the children get a better life and a good education. Celtic fans will continue to help these children for all the right reasons. Oh and bears when we give to charity 100% goes to charity NOT like RFC "charity" where ,your club syphons off charity money, no name no shame just like RFC Timalloy

If you truly thought it a worthy cause you'd have typed Celtic.

Every now and then I begin to feel sorry for the genuine Rangers fans and the predicament their club is in . Then I read the a thread like this and I realise why Im glad Im a Tim and hope and pray for their speedy demise .

At 4) belter of a example

lenny

What kind of a human being are you? This is linked to the tragic murder of Reamon Gourlay who worked with these kids,helping them learn english by watching Celtic games.To make a point like that you should hang your head in shame.Pathetic............green jhedi

Get a grip an look in the mirror i applaud cfc for what they r doing with the thai tims its a great cause an if u seen the pic at the graveside of that cfc that got stab to death was heartbreaking god rest his soul


TB

To the first post get a life every Celtic fan calls themselves a tim time to grow up m8 kenny bluenose

I am a genuine Rangers fan and always will be and I dont dont condone sentarianism in any form or from any party,but I can see where the original poster is coming from,if the word "tim" is so apphorant when it is sourced from the mouth of a opposition fan then it should not be used in ANY context I am sure THATS what he or she was meaning and one things for sure it did not deserve the verbal battering that it took,can I just add that the charity is doing sterling work and long may it continue,well done to all concerned.

Agree with most i think its a fantastic thing , that boy that got killed just think how proud his family must be, unfortunately it came at his sacrifice but the smiles on those kids faces was fantastic..........
just got to yorkhill both OF do fantastic work there aswell would you use hold what team the kids there support against them.
craig+babybear

I am a Rangers fan from Blantyre,the same place Reamonn lived.I never knew him but since his death it has been a big part of our local community.Can I just say the Thai Tims are a credit to the memory of a young guy who was brutally murdered.Thankfully his death wa not football related and he helped these kids learn English by signing Celtic songs while doing his own charity work.I do think it is shocking that not one person has went on to the Celtic site and congratulated or thanked Ed007 for the work he has put into this whole thing.Without everything he has done and witjhout his help these kids might never have the got any publicity or the chance to visit Scotland.He has helped the charity since it started and campaigned on all these sites here and elsewhere for month after month and even had Liverpool and Man U fans donating money.Without Ed007 those guys would have never heard of these kids. Ed07 must live local to me after reading his stuff and although you guys might hate him for his football team at least give the guy some credit for doing this kind of thing for poor children.Poor show from timalloy and the Celtic fans who know what the ed has done btw

Honest Blantyre Rangers Fan
p.s. please post this ed and I hope it doesn't embarass Ed007 or blow his cover as an ed on here.I just think it shouldn't go unoticed

01 May 2012 15:20:19
"SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster has given a strong hint he would be amenable to a newco Rangers joining the competition."
Could be good news for BM bid.

Either bid creates a newco from what I understand. It has always been the case that the club will play in the SPL. It's just a case of wht sanctions go with it.

There you go bears you knew the old boys network would kick in

Think this was alway the case because everyone knows if rangers do go down to the 3rd divison then half the spl would be out of business ? i dont think they will get off scot free but they will always be in the top 6 to make sure sky get the 4 OF games.

if the 5,000 who marched to a empty SFA office on saturday used the loaf they would properly relised that

lenny

3) If thats the case Lenny and Rangers end up playing with younger players next year and got relegated, would they extend the numbers in the league to keep them in.

Vambo

@4. That's a very, very good point. And one I think no one has ever raised. And I'm a Tim.

01 May 2012 14:49:00
"Not being totally business-minded, I think the two offers - certainly one and very probably the other - do consist of newcos but I have been told that does not involve liquidation.'' Ally McCoist

It's a technical difference, really. Creditors would have to approve the sale of assets, including the club's share in the SPL, to newco and what's left will be liquidated.

McWulf

In simple terms any newco is the end of rfc full stop,timeline ended game over !!!

01 May 2012 14:40:39
Seen Ally on SS News there

He says its a NEWCO, both bidders want it. 1 of them guaranteed and the other almost 100 percent for the idea.

What does this mean for us?

What does this do for our history? does it mean it is gone? Or am i just jumping to conclusions?

The history will always be there ( framed on a wall ) same as third lanarks name is still on cups ,doesnt matter what other supporters of other teams say theyl never erase it doug

It means RFC is gone forever..newco means liquidation,history ends when timeline comes to an end when enter liquiation....The big L word everywere now.hmmmm nice to see the wounded bears have awoken from hibernation& accepting no saviours..Ally should be asking ALL EBT,s should be put in the public domain!then the fans will see who raped there club for tens of millions!along with murray moonbeams!stevo

A new company cannot have any history it's brand new. Neither the SFA nor SPL can ok that. It's beyond their responsibilities.

How can you possibly transfer histories? Wrap it up in a box and post it to someone? Ridiculous illusion.

Stevo.......breaking news!......Rangers Football Club will never die.....does that upset you?....you see RFC aint a document at Companies House, ....its a way of life in peoples hearts....im sorry to dissapoint you, but Glasgow Rangers Football Club, who play at IBROX in Govan, will always be there for the loyal fans and genearions of famillies who support the club. is that clear enough for you?

Tell that to the many who wont be supporting any NEWCO!!!!no matter how you want to dress it up..its crystal clear.all those generations who have supported the club & have them in there hearts have been CONNED,DUPED, by corrupt mismanagement...stevo

Poster above for last time no glasgow in rangers learn yer teams name be4 posting

"A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet" Liquidation would not be the end or a loss of any history.

@4. Who is this team called glasgow rangers football club. Do you not evem know the namr of your team. Some supporter you are.
t**t

@4. Not so. You see a club's history goes hand in hand with an uninterrupted timeline. It's how a history works. The way Rangers are going is like the Police Academy movies. The first one was ok but any after that were pish and eventually no one watched them.

01 May 2012 14:36:29
Just listened to allys press conference on sky sports were he stated the the preffered bidder will be named soon andhe stated that both parties have said no chance of rangers being liqudated may be some good news for the rangers family who have stuck together all the way through the dark days may be some light at the end of the tunnel

Ally also said on Sky Sports news that both bidders would likely go for a Newco but not liquidate.... I don't understand. I thought a Newco came from Liquidation !!!

Fans being taken for a ride again?

01 May 2012 14:10:23
why all fuss about rangers going bust and if relegated from spl what it would cost teams left in spl short memories not long ago they were trying to ditch scottish football for english league murray gets of scot free whyte carries can murray should be banned from holding any shares in scottish football club and knighthood taken from him disgrace to scotland rot in hell murray

01 May 2012 14:01:38
Rangers must do All they can to pay creditors as much as even it means liquidition,selling assets etc.
this would be the honourble thing to do. we dont want our history to be tarnished being called tax dodgers,cheats etc

Glad to see the voice of reason and respectability. Another blog,another site said that everyone must know a decent "Bear" and I must admit that is true. The problem for all moderates is that under their banners they always find the loud mouths shouting yelling and threatening. I get ashamed too when I am abroad and hear some of my compatriots. The quiet ones go unnoticed.

01 May 2012 13:28:09
So there a snippets of who's helping TBK and rumours of who might or might not be involved post sale if TBK win. No mention of Souness who was heralded as part of Kennedy's first bid. Since Kennedy became involved the TBKs have gone quiet and we no longer have transparency of what has been actually offered to D&P. Is this a sign of things to come?

01 May 2012 13:16:48
Just watched the youtube vid of the bears at cp wrecking and vile bile chants, anybody else ashamed to be scottish or is it just me? It also shows the scottish law for what they are as they can also be seen standing watching,.,.kbarry

It's a mockery of decency to allow these types to continue in the SPL. They will go on doing it if allowed next year.

Didn't Celtic fans do the same at Ibrox a few weeks ago at the Rangers,Celtic cup final - or do you just close your eyes and ears when it's your own fans?

01 May 2012 12:43:23
What's happening ed mate ? Any chance of a preferred bidder the day ? Duff an dick splash did say EARLY in the week ? Surley not more p!sh talk ?
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - the issue is with the bids mate, they can't give one preferred status if they are not good enough.}

Hmmmm
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - the bids so far have had conditions attached, ones which make it difficult for either to be accepted.}

Cheers mate

Neither bid delivers anything remotely acceptable to Creditors in the form of a CVA. There's absolutely no chance of Ticketus taking 10p.

01 May 2012 12:13:17
Rangers have not won the "Big tax case" as they have already admitted liability the hearing is to decide on findings, money owed & penalties due.... Wake up the club is going to be a new co. no history, no trophies , no players but a massive support. WATP

Rangers have not lost the tax case either. Also Rangers were not hit with a bill for the ebt's only an assessment big difference.

As for the no history rubbish, that really is becoming boring now and most know it's not the case

See Leeds utd, Middlesbrough, Charlton athletic etc. newco does not mean new club it means new company. Rangers fc was formed in 1872 the company was formed in 1889, the parent company would be liquidated the club would not.

HAHA you are wrong about the no history and no trophies because D+P have spoken to the SPL and the transfer of the SPL share also includes transferring titles, trophies and records, just like what happened with Leeds as they have not lost their history

Ouch, that must hurt!

Rangers lost the original case but don't know if they've won or lost the appeal against the sum HMRC has demanded.

One problem with your theory the SFA and SPL may be spineless but UEFA will give a more appropriate punishment for cheating on the scale Rangers are guilty off

01 May 2012 11:54:49
right first time poster here this is what i think about the liquidation situation.

If they were writting up the papers etc for liquidation WHY would rangers show the fans there new top for next season in the spl and why would they sell the top end of this month if all this is going to happen ? makes you think to be honest.

Darren Boyd

There will be a contract with JJB for release dates,nothing to do with rangers.it's the same with celtic,Nike are guaranteed three strips per year..........green jhedi

The shirt doesn't have to be used in the SPL and JJB and Umbro will want to cash in before anything happens.

Devils advocate here
could just be milking the bears for every last drop before the big decision is taken

they wouldn't do that would they??

bill72

Because they are going to be playing in the SPL next season as a newco. This WILL happen as it will be done before the new rules can be voted upon or come into force on May 14th.

Neil Doncaster dropped the biggest hint yesterday that Rangers should liquidate now and reform to avoid further sanctions

Strip deal is irrelevent. Rangers would release it anyway as they're in a contract, just like Celtic like the other post said. The 2 strips also have a similar retro theme to them.

01 May 2012 11:25:13
see when this all done and hopefully rangers survive,surely there has got to be a total revamp of our game,this twelve team league is absolutely garbage,and i dont want to hear about tv rights look after the fans

01 May 2012 10:23:15
The realities of life start to kick in at last. All this scaremongering over liquidation.
It was never going to happen. Deep down everyone knew that RFC would be given "special" treatment - no demotion, no paying tax in full [like everyone else] etc.... The stark reality is that the rest of Scottish football would go down with Rangers if they were allowed to fail c£600k pa according to Mr D of the SPL. Faced with this it's not surprising that everyone is bending over backwards to ensure a CVA will be agreed. At the start of next season, it will be as if this little nightmare never actually happened. The question is how much bitterness will there be from the rest of Scottish football given the "special" treatment provided to Rangers? [Gretna/Livingston etc...] Another case of one rule for the big boys and one for the rest.

It does seem to look a bit brighter for gers fans,but the CVA has to be agreed and the BTC result is still lurking in the background.And lets not forget Whyte,god knows what he is up to!I think D&P are trying to make sure you get to the end of the season, as the punishment is more severe if you liquidate before the season ends.........green jhedi

Was the op complaing about Moterwell dong a cva and sacking 19 players?, and where was the sporting integrity points some keep making when the spl changed it's rules simply to keep Aberdeen in the league and keep Falkirk out?

You are right about one thing one rule for Rangers another for everyone else, Hearts have failed to pay players on time on a number of occaisions this season and once even after the spl set a deadline for them to do so why no fair play rules then?

01 May 2012 10:01:09
Ed, With so much rumour and speculation flying around are you able to give us the definitive position as of today? {Ed001's Note - there is no definitive position to give. It is all up in the air until a CVA is either agreed or dismissed completely.}

Surely a cva pence in the pound cannot be agreed

01 May 2012 09:50:37
listend to all the hype & build upover last nights game in mankyster.
bigger than Real v Barca, biggest game in the world?
apart from a lot of 'committed' tackles which any other week would have seen at least 3 red cards. the managers squaring up to each other and being held apart by umpteen people.
does anyone else, wonder what would have been in the papers if this had happened at celtic park on sunday.
salmond & keevins would have had a field day;-)

bill72

01 May 2012 08:56:26
SPL general meeting, where it was unanimously agreed to postpone a vote on proposed new financial fair play proposals until next Monday.
How long do these people need to make there mind up it is not like they have not had a few months to think about it already! Or are they just sticking the knife in a bit further?

01 May 2012 07:26:25
Ed a wee question for ye might b stupid but I read these pages quite alot and not seen anyone ask about this, if rangers were to go down the liquidation reute would the likes of the catering and merchandise come back under full controll of the newco?

Cheers

Cranny cf3 {Ed001's Note - it would be a separate company, those people would just become creditors to the old one. A new one would be a fresh start and would have its own catering and merchandise to sort out, unless it bought out the old company.}

01 May 2012 03:35:21
Just on a different subject for a minute. Did anyone else who watched the game on Sky on Sunday notice,as always with this mob,not once during the build up or especially during the game, did they show the Rangers supporters. We were treated to the usual"stirring stuff" sh*te when they were singing that Liverpool song!
Even when the ball was down at that corner and the Rangers support were in full voice, the camera was switched to another angle. It happens every time we play there! No big deal in the scheme of things but it always p*sses me off!

I said the exact same thing to my mates during the game. Saw a great video on followfollow, the fans were brilliant!

By all accounts - even from the celtic fans who were at the game (not the keyboard heroes!) was that the Rangers support were terrific and even defiant throughout the game, which lets be honest was crap.

bill72

01 May 2012 00:17:38
does anyone know when the season ticket renewals are coming out

12th of never.

LOL whit season tickets craig whytes sold them aw for the next three years

When hell freezes over.

No it's not!! It's on the 47th of Julember.