Rangers Banter Archive November 01 2012

01 Nov 2012 21:50:06
for what it's worth - my team for the Alloa game

Alexander

Hegarty
McCulloch
Cribari
Wallace

Hutton
Sheils
McLeod
Aird

Little
McKay

Subs- Gallacher-cole-Perry-templeton(if fit)-Stella
Naismith if Temps isn't fit

Wee Bill

No point in saying black won't be on because he'd allys bitch.

My team would be....................

none of the players currently robbing rangers

01 Nov 2012 19:39:55
ally might actually be causing the share option to falter due to results also poor crowd last night prices up £2 expect a drop in attendances from now on novilty factor/circus coming to an end

01 Nov 2012 14:08:31
please don`t sack sally, as more diddy teams take your scalp (and trust me, after last nights performance they will) you`ll generate more goodfeeling in scottish football as a whole. now,
can anyone give me an intelligent informed answer as to what exactly CG is gonna do with money raised from any share issue? he can't buy players with it (of any note) your stadium and training facilities are in place! are you paying him severance pay? or are you paying to simply pay for the day to day running of the club-is he skint?

The OCR players aren't names in football. The Rangers guys are and cost about 10 times more than the icy guys. Rangers training facilities are world top class. Rangers manager and his coaches earn ten times the packages Butcher and his guys get. Forget about the divisions the teams are in that's just a liquidation issue. Rangers should have won, the difference is the managers, butcher at rangers then rangers would have won, Ally at Caley and Caley would have lost.
Ally needs to go.
He needs to stay if u support any other team.

Im getting sick to the back teeth of listening to Allys interpretation of games. His team is average and it showed again last night. Inverness are no world beaters but it was embarrassing to watch our team getting gubbed by them. I have said it time after time that Ally has no clue and that he is like a deer in headlights. He has had plenty of time and should have had better knowledge of what players he needed, - but NO he goes and buys Kyle , Sandaza and that other useless foreigners. Time for a change and get someone in who knows what they are doing.

How come when ever ally says make no excuses his next word is always ... BUT ... fuzzy {The Ed039's Note - That is usually how you make an excuse)

01 Nov 2012 13:54:35
not good i'm afraid.

we need to change 4 things immediately.

1- stop Alexander booting the ball upfield all the time

2- stop Black taking all the corners and free kicks

3- put McCulloch in the middle of defence

4- give Kevin Kyle to a local donkey sanctuary

The rest of the problems sadly we are stuck with until we can sign players again but our so called scouting team should be working overtime looking at league 1 and 2 in England, and our own div 1. players like Rhodes started out in the lower leagues so there must be better than we have out there.

Wee Bill

Ally will never be a good manager he has learned nothing from sir walter in fact walter must be shaking his head with sadness in our present state

Walter always had a budget in the millions and quality players already in the squad. Ally has had money but nowhere near enough to allow for dud purchases. The players at his disposal are mediocre on the whole with the odd exception. He chose them but in reality did he just get wat he could, being in div 3? Im sure if we were still in the SPL we would be far stronger on the pitch but weaker off it. CheltBlue

Ally couldnt buy a good loaf its amazing the time he spent with walter that he cant turn a game around

Walter thats now manager of man u you mean. that walter thats so in demand you mean {The Ed039's Note - I think if Walter was looking for a job and put his name in a hat then he would have no shortage of takers)

Ed039 i disagree walter is only worshiped in the eyes of some rangers fans he is just not that rated anywhere else hence no offers. he said himself when he left rangers he wasnt finished with football and reading between the lines i think he was expecting all sorts of offers and particulary from the english premiership and they did not come. why? because hes not rated and his uefa cup run was the luckiest and most defensive display by a football team ever. {The Ed039's Note - Walter is an experienced and well respected coach and has plenty of references, so I disgaree with your post. You dont think that people like Sir Alex Ferguson would not vouch for him?? The fact is clubs dont need to go to Walter with job offers, if a job becomes available he can do what everyone else does, should he choose, and apply for that job)

Well I think Smith has applied for jobs and not got them. He's been out of football over a year and a half now. Eck McLeish is going the same way and when McCoist gets sacked he'll be same..... Nobody touching ex rangers coaches. {The Ed039's Note - What jobs has Smith been applying for then? Enlighten me, the only discussions he has had was briefly with Wolves and he told them he wasnt intersted. I agree with McCoist, he is not a manager, but McLeish will be back, he should never have touched the Aston Villa job with a barge pole. That was an unbiased assesment by me .......... you should try it sometime)

Are we talking about the same Walter Smith who took a demoralised Scotland and gave a top class French team the runaround? The WS who left the Scotland set-up only because his old team were in dire straights and needed a saviour? WS may not be a JS or a SAF but he is a good manager no doubt about it. I would love to see him back in charge of Scotland. (Tinytim)

That french team was in dissaray and ageing badly check the reults they had after that game. as for walter how hard was it to be the best coach in scotland with the resources he had. he is only rated in scotland.

Good answers but does not btake away from the fact we had a manager who inspire a bunch of decent players to rise above their class. He also took a similar bunch of Rangers players and turned them around. That is a good coach/mentor/manager. He gets the best out of a limited resource
Eddie

Walter was asked in an interview and he stated he was looking for a job but unlike the media the offers never came ... that was his own words

Walter smiths greatest achievement was as part of dufc management team who were cheated of a ec final by a bribed ref.

01 Nov 2012 12:59:17
Is attendances all you lot can brag about these days? Claiming a world record which stands at over 60,000 with a real attendance of 42,000 vs East Stirling? losing to the bottom team in Scotland, Stirling, then taking the piss out of Celtic for losing a last minute goal to the best team in the world? Fielding duds like Kyle, Faure, Cribari, Black whilst we are sitting on a gold mine with Hooper, Wanyama, Matthews, Samaras, Forrest, Ledley, Forster, Watt? Blindly following a man who has made one stupid comment after another and promising a 25 year contract to a manager who can't out smart Annan, Berwick, Peterhead, Queen of the South? pledging hard earned money to Chuckie's pension fund? Lord Nimmo-Smith states that The Rangers have never played in the SPL, UEFA don't recognise newco is oldco but Green says he has wrapped up 140 years of history in a box and transferred it to newco and that's fine?

I know this is a ridiculous rant and I admire how much you stick by your team but being unable to come up with valid counter arguments and instead just saying we are obsessed shows how poor the new club is. Nobody in the MSM are looking at some of these points and are just eating up everything Chuckie says and it is getting a bit tiresome.

It is good not having to worry about violence and sectarianism after Old Firm games (on both sides) but myself and others miss being able to have a proper football conversation with our bluenose pals, but now anytime The Rangers name is uttered we are branded as being obsessed? In a footballing sense it is sad how poor your club really are.

G93

Is attendances all us lot can brag about.......well yes anything else we have to depend on someone else and i,m afraid anyone else at Rangers is letting us down right now. Rangers are the fans and thank g_d almighty the fans are there if we,re waiting on chucky,ally,the backroom staff,the players,the boardroom....we may need to wait and as Delia Smith drunkenly said...where are you..lets be havin you...or are they waiting on the money first come on chucky were is club going?....les

@1 As much as we tims are enjoying the demise of our rivals, your spot on that the fans are the only thing keeping the newco going atm. it now seems you are in a horrible catch 22; hand over £500, being unsure of where it is going and have a club to follow, or be smart and keep your money in your pockets and make green work for it and put his cards down on the table. I imagine when the prospectus comes out the details of where the money will go will be vary vague and he is counting on your loyalty to both keep the club alive and earn him a profit. As long as Green is in charge the product on the pitch will be a distint second to earning a profit.

G93

OP correct rangers are a poor team at the moment and the squad was bought in a rush as time was something ally did not have to do proper scouting he got a team he thought would guarantee getting out of div3 and div 2 they will do that and you are obsessed rangers are poor of no threat to the mighty Celtic certainly won't be facing you this season so why are you on this site

OP do you read your own posts? what a load of p!sh. You even admit that and still post it. God your tim mates must be boring if your on here all the time.
Goldmine FC, £25m for wanyama and you have your lowest crowd in 18yrs at smeltic park the other night. Some goldmine. Everyone and their dug turning up for that. Best supporters in the world, you are having a laugh. That must have been a £s loss that game, be cutting the cost of entry soon like Dundee Utd and Hearts.
Former supreme court judge Lord Nimmo Smith is heading a Private Members Club internal enquiry and will find a result that suits the Private Members Club, give us a break with this Lord Smudger crap. As you say we are not in the spl.
Your club has a well tainted history but how does telling you about your obsession reflect on RFC? Really, we are not rivals we've already played in the only Glasgow derby, you're on your own. I really do hope that the group of shareholders get their motion through at your agm.
The only thing that I can think of is that you are struggling to cope with the fact that RFC is still here and playing football.
You are basically a black abbot, share issue? ah but you cannae do that! players wages reduced, ah but! anything to do with RFC? ah but!
I take it your bluenose pals are telling you are obsessed. ah but!

@4: your post makes you sound quite obsessed with everything Celtic. Pot, kettle?

01 Nov 2012 23:08:35
@4 you sound very very bitter. i think £20 odd million from CL will make uo for a wee cup game. trust you lot to determine a former senior judges opinion biased, its all a timmy conspiracy, a lot of your fans have accepted it.and tried move on but you seem to have caught the charles green, theyre all against us mentality. and get caught up in your big derby fever all you want, we have barca to look forward to, ally must stay.

G93

@4 Sorry pal RFC are no longer here it's now TRFC.
Tam

01 Nov 2012 11:54:27
What a pathetic bunch of glory hunters some of you on here seem to be. A matter of months ago our club was at deaths door , on the verge of extinction and now any bad performance or bad result and you are all calling for Allys head- pathetic, get a grip. ICt did us a favour last night, we almost certainly would have been beaten by celtic or hearts in later rounds so this is the lesser of 2 evils. Getting out of this division at his stage is our ONLY aim , so have patience and get behind the team and management.

The club isn't out the woods yet in green I'm afraid, you must be a REAL fan, one of the ones that backed whyte?

I think some fans need a reality check, we are not the team we were. It will take many years to get back to the level we were at, Div3 is about our level with this team. It's not just the managers fault, the team needs to have a good hard look in the mirror and give themselves a shake. When you're down, you roll your sleeves up and get stuck in - sadly this team wouldn't know the meaning of the words.

Glory hunters...glory hunters
3 passes strung together aint glory pal...les

"verge of extinction" - what's liquidation then?

Your club is extinct, you are now supporting an imitation.
Tam

If ally cant get a better tune out of the players he has then i,m sorry this will continue its not as if this is new and its not as if it wont continue ,be honest here where is this club going,yes its been saved to be put in the hands of chuck and ally to f@ck up
i,m not fooled by chuck or ally I WANT MY CLUB TO MOVE ON i fear under chuck and ally we will be fed ....blame everyone else and dont do walking away ....yes we just might have to put up with this this season
but as sure as hell it aint the future for Rangers.....and i want my club to have a future

Being rangers is not to settle for second best.if we lose we make a fight of it.
More than double everyone in spl budget state of art facilitys.
No excuses poor management simple

Have you seen the results have you listened to green . fans like you with blinkers on is why we are in this mess in the first place.

Get over it, we dont have the quality players any more. Good to see more young guys getting their chance. We lost to a spl side, whoop whoop. Only a game guys. Game is gone, move onto next one.

Support our team through thick and thin should be the thinking for all true supporters of our great club. Show a bit of patience, maybe more than we thought was required, and we will return to challenge within 5 years. By the time we are back challenging both the current Rangers and Celtic teams will be loing gone. Enjoy our predicament whilst it lasts Celtic fans, you all know fine well we will be back, and stronger as a result of our currenr troubles.

Get behind the Gers lads.

@4. So have u since 1994. {The Ed039's Note - Sorry, but wrong)

Should have been @5. - Ed yes i know, they were just getting on my t*ts that's all. {The Ed039's Note - Fair enough lol)

@10 "you all know fine well we will be back, and stronger as a result of our currenr troubles."
This is just a phrase used in action movies and makes no sense in real life. You probably say it to make you feel better, but don't really believe it. If you do believe it, give us some evidence to support your comment.
I can't see any real signs of improvement since the start of the season to lead me to believe that the quality of football and performances will improve over the remainder of the season.
Struggling in 3rd division, but will probably get promoted. The same squad and manager in the 2nd division doesn't look good.
Al {The Ed039's Note - Agreed, smart response. And I am a Rangers fan, but can not help agree with your points there)

@12 your still wrong.
Tam

@14. The clue is in the sentence "Ed yes i know". ffs

01 Nov 2012 11:35:43
Looking back at last nite, the problems are the two centre backs, i actually thought Ross Perry would be a good player given a chance but he has been awful, Cribari along with Argryrou for me will go down as two of the worst signings ever, also Ian black does not protect the back four, his distribution is poor, and his passing woeful yet hutton was taken off while he stayed on.. Little a striker who gets goals playing out on the right, not the best position for him, hegarty a cb playing at rb? LeJonWATP

The problem isnt the centre backs the young players at rangers are just not good enough and it doesnt help the fact that as soon as a kid plays in the first team the papers go overboard and say they were exceptional brilliant blah blah blah. i cpold get 11 young guys from the drum and we could beat this team.

The centre backs are not the problem your having a laugh oap would score against those pair just watch alloa on saturday

01 Nov 2012 10:23:48
some good news at last for my club the addidas deal has been signed.........the young lads will get £1.50 per 100 tops for ironing on the numbers...les

01 Nov 2012 09:48:59
I wish my fellow bears who support Ally would get their heads out of their a*ses. He's clueless and other managers in the third division are doing bette doing better than with feck all resources

They call themselves the REAL fans whatever that means, the same REAL fans that said give whyte a chance, you know who you are.

1.) I don't give a sh1t what you reckon I call myself! I was at the game last night not expecting a win, I was hoping for one, but not expecting it as we are a 3rd division club... we are at the top of the division, yes we have more money etc but EVERY team raises their game to a whole new level when they play us. We are a team with new players in a new environment and need time to adjust. Ally may not be a Walter Smith but he could be given time. And he will, by me and most of the others packing Ibrox these days anyway, but if you don't like it or don't have the will and patience to see this through, off you pop your seat will be filled, don't worry...
We nearly HAD no team to follow not so long ago FFS!

BB

@OP. I have my reservations about Ally's current capabilities and future potential as a manager the same as most on here given the performances and results over the last season and a bit, but I am willing to let him see out this season at least to see if he can improve.

@1 I am not following him blindly or out of loyalty because he is a Rangers legend, but I do consider myself to be a real fan who has been going to the games since before Souness arrived, been there when the crowds were continually low, and entitled to my view. I would genuinely give him the rest of the year to try and improve things on the park and then take it from there if he doesn't. Plenty of Celtic fans were calling for Lennon's head (you know who you are, lol) well before Kilmarnock last year and look how Celtic, and Lennon, are doing now with more or less the same players and management team. We are stuck with the players we have and can't buy additional ones until next year. Replacing the manager/management team might get slightly more out of the players we have but it would be an expensive process. In addition, who would we replace him with (Butcher, McCall, etc have been mentioned but their clubs would need to be suitably compensated - and probably up front to boot given the current mistrust of Rangers financial position) and would they be willing to work in the third division anyway even if it is Rangers? I still think we will gain promotion, which is absolutely essential and top priority this year in my opinion, even if performances don't improve significantly under Ally. Let's be honest, we have been absolutely rank rotten for the most part and are still top of the league so if they can somehow string a few decent wins together we shouldn't have too much difficulty as the others will take points off each other as the season goes on.

Brian

Brian well said mate, you make much more sense when you are not going off on one.
Tam

01 Nov 2012 09:11:08
What a horrible day yesterday to be a Rangers Supporter!

140 Years of History down the pan! Thanks Murray & Whyte! And a 3-0 home scudding from the mighty Inverness Caley Thistle! Lets face it, it should have been much worse! The only blessing is that this lot will not have to face Celtic, as god knows what the score could have been in that one!

Here is an honest assesment of our team from last night!

Alexander - Steady Keeper, hasent done anything wrong!

Hegarty - Young Lad, needs time!
Perry - Sorry, wont do!
Cribari - Give me a break!
Wallace - Average Full Back, not lived up to billing!

Little - Has some promise, inconsistent!
Hutton - Benefit of doubt at the moment!
Black - Rank Rotten!
McLeod - Looks ok in patches

Shiels - Has the odd moment, otherwise poor!
McCulloch - Good in lower divisions, done at top level!

Those not playing

Argyriou - Oh Dear!
McKay - Dury is out!
Kyle - Mince!
Aird - Too early to tell
Gallacher - Cant say anything good or bad!

Faure - Take him away!
Sandaza - Waste of Money!
Naismith - Time will tell!
Templeton - Is obviously our best player when fit! which isnt very often!

Im sorry if i am being harsh, especially on some of the young players, but they are going to have to grow up very quickly! Signings have been awful and not what was needed for Div 3 for which Ally has to take the blame!

Rant Over!

Alexander mculloch sandaza black Kyle and the foreigners won't be there by the time we get back to the SPL rangers are a third div team playing against third div teams there fitness and sharpness is know where near that of a SPL side. I would agree that the defence is rank but the majority are only just getting there first chance. ICT beat Celtic in the cup when they were in lower league so where's the surprise in them beating us. Rangers only priority is getting out of div 3 at end of season div 2 the following then div 1 the season after that cups don't concern me at this moment and I certainly ain't going to get upset about losing to a SPL team

1.) Well said Sir! Could not have put that better

BB

Alexander - mr ambition just rolling along collecting a wage.

Hegarty - rather have his grandad playing even at 60
Perry - another daily record overrated legend

Cribari - please just go

Wallace - 1.5 million aye right we bought gary stevens for that shows you how bad things have become

Little - only still here cos noone else would take him. useless

Hutton - almost as bad as his namesake down south. looks as if he likes looking in mirror more than playing.

Black - Rank Rotten! agreed

McLeod - never should be near first team

Shiels - way too inconsistent should be scoring for fun.

McCulloch -should have retired with his old schoolmate grandpa davie weir. never mind new 2 year contract eh.


Those not playing

Argyriou - please just go
McKay - nope
Kyle - injury prone
Aird - nada
Gallacher - nein

Faure - please just go
Sandaza - back to male modelling
Naismith - as useles as steven
Templeton - injury prone expensive mistake.

01 Nov 2012 07:54:39
Best performance we had this year was motherwell one of the only games Ian black never played, the guy doesn't give the defence the cover it needs, doesn't support the 1 man attack when going forward, his corners are a total joke, isn't rangers class even in division 3, the 2 CBS are a joke, the Brazilian is useless, were did ally find this guy from? Was he playing championship manager? Did ally look at any of these players before signing them? Did you hear the joke about the Greek, the Frenchman and the Brazilian, yes rangers are the joke for signing these 3 fuds, then sandaza and Kyle WTF? Kevin Kyle the guy was told to quit football, how on earth did this guy manage to pass a medical?

How did kevin kyle pass his medical
he got the same club that gave daniel prodan a contract.......simples
les

Yes passed daniel prodan fit and said john hartson was too risky nuff said.jimbo

01 Nov 2012 06:35:00
Ally ''''MUST'''' go now.
Rangers have international players out there, so no excuses.
Mc Culloch, Wallace, Black, Shiels, Little,Alexander (who actually kept the score down) + 'the future' Heggarty, Mcleod, McKay, oh...and we train full time at Auchenhowie with all mod cons, and we are at home, which is Ibrox Stadium, and we get steamrollered with a team with no internationals and a free from Tranmere and two guys from non league.
So don't give me SPL V 3rd Div p ***, this is f****** abysmal, absolute disgrace, you can listen to the Green man until you go grey and bald, but there is no football structure at Ibrox whatsoever, and we are going to hit a brick wall soon.
Players don't know what they are doing or where to go.
Listen,....look at Allys record from the start of the season, it would get you the sack in the SPL and that would be harder, given the gap there should be against part timers at the lowest level.
We won our first away game at the very end of October in the bottom tier, nonsense, pure nonsense, and lost to the worst team and bottom dogs in the country, stirling who have won one game, v us.
I cant suffer this sh** any longer, its not about walking away and all that crap.
It's about building an infrastructure for the future, and everyone knows (don't kid yourself) that Ally and Green are not capable of doing that.

A newco after failed CVA should have been a brand new start with new people. No McCoist no Jardine no smith bumping his gums. No old players. Everything changed out.
Those guys were all part of the tax evasion corruption that got us in the whole mess.
Asking Smith to return is a shameful disgrace.

@1 And the history and the strip's, be as well goin the whole hog mate.
Tam

01 Nov 2012 01:29:09
McCoist's remit this season was promotion, it is all that really matters. Cups runs bringing in much needed dough wouldn't hurt but honestly even a loss at the weekend won't cost him his job, he may resign but I don't think he would be sacked even then.

Green won't even consider sacking him while the floatation is ongoing. And to be honest the cup draws have been kind in the sense that there have been a good number of Ibrox ties amongst them.

So budgeted cup income down a bit possibly but somewhat balanced by home ties. League, top of the division, not great results or performances but nonetheless still on course.

Here is where it gets sticky for McCoist longer term however. First off he cant improve the squad (with plus 18 year olds) till January 1st 2014, secondly given that he cant bring anyone in, how can he improve his abysmal signing track record before then? Quite simply, he cant.

In other words Green will have no evidence whatsoever that come January 2014 he can put any faith in any potential McCoist signing. Unless the current crop of signings he has made dramatically improve would anyone trust him with another bean of Rangers money?

In the past 12 months Neil Lennon as a manager has improved remarkably but that aside from his earliest signings, regardless of his managerial skills, no one could deny that he had an eye for a player, sure that's what scouts are there to do but the manager still has to rubber stamp it and on signings alone he has done some very, very shrewd business.

On signings alone I don't think Green can have that feeling about McCoist so far and that may hamstring him in the longer term.

He,s leaving to many fans with a bitter taste in there mouth the standard of football is poor and not going to get better any time soon the ONLY thing that we can change is the manager and his backroom staff...its just a matter of time i think....john Greig near killed Rangers by staying on to long

Allys dire tactics has already cost us 3 millon from 3 visits to hampden.

OP. are you forgetting Lennon in his first full season ran the silver fox right the way to the end, loosing the title by a point to an EBT filled squad?
Hardly over the last 12 months he's improved, he set the bar pretty high from day one as he overhauled Celtic.

To #3. Name me one player that was on an EBT the last time we won the league?... Aye thats right there wasn't any, the EBT's were from Mcleish's era...

@3 this is the OP. I'm a Celtic fan, it was just over a year ago we were 3-0 down to Killie at half time and by his own admission Neil thought of quitting. I agree that short of the disappointing Euro exits in his first season there has been steady improvement but I still think he has improved a fair bit in even the last 12 months. Before he struggled to swing a losing cause back in our favour, know he generally alters things for the better if things aren't working.

The year Lennon lost by one point to Smith, his first year as a manager, I saw Celtic robbed of 9 points in the season by referees. Celtic should have won by a margin as some of those points were in old firm game. The decisions at Inverness were criminal.

Number 6, you were handed a pen that was never one samaras missed that would've put the league out of sight, did you forget that pen?

What about the mystery goal scored @ Hamilton? Wullie (the d*ck) Collum at his tricks again, like the penalty he gave For a Broadfoot dive THAT HE HAD HIS BACK TO!!

Mate im not 100% agreeing with @6's post but there were a few shockers, that night @ Hamilton i put the screen in on a 40" tv. I was convinced we had been cheated. Not with our dissalowed goal which was the correct decision by the linesman. But the sending off of Forrest and the Hamilton goal was beyond belief.

01 Nov 2012 00:56:55
Sorry that is the worst I have seen ever at Ibrox disgraceful Black hopeless no idea take your cash and get away

Ive said it before and will say it again the new signings and the defence have been a disgrace. The bedding in and lack of pre season is no longer acceptable as an excuse and that defence will ship goals against any team that has a wee bit of skill and belief. Ally has been a goal scoring legend but he isnt a manager.

01 Nov 2012 00:24:30
Should Ally go?for me,yes,time to go son,thanks,but please go now,enoughs enough