Rangers Banter Archive September 01 2016

01 Sep 2016 21:19:15
As bad as we have been playing, I still have a sneaky we will beat the tic next weekend . In current form you would say no way, however we will be ready and I'm still not convinced about them and Brenda. Trust me .

01 Sep 2016 22:27:37
Would love some of your optimism mate, just think we've not clicked yet where they have although i will still be sticking a fiver on us.

02 Sep 2016 10:12:55
I think we will get beat I hope not but unless we put on a performance from last season we won't and we are not as good as we where and they are miles better than they where.

02 Sep 2016 10:36:56
Celtic are rightly big favourites but they have a penchant for winning easy games comfortably. They do however struggle when there is pressure on them and will give us a lot of space! They were very lucky to beat Astana over two legs who are total mince and similar with Hapoel. The commentary for the home game vs Hapoel suggested 4/ 5 goals were pretty lucky! Although they are an athletic team I feel we have the better ball players and will cause them some problems. Assuming McKay, Barton, Niko etc turn up on the day!

01 Sep 2016 21:58:54
We need to win this if we have any chance of winning the league, they look good when there confident but when there under pressure they look even more shaky than us.

01 Sep 2016 23:14:15
Too many negative fans have no belief in us now unfortunately. Shame. Anyway 3-2 gers.

02 Sep 2016 10:08:55
Me too and I don't think we've been playing that badly, nervousness in our play has been the problem.

01 Sep 2016 17:34:41
Sol Bamba now a free agent, wonder if he's heading to Ibrox.

01 Sep 2016 17:48:45
To be the fifth man of four? Listen to the gaffer four centre backs maximum.

01 Sep 2016 18:07:31
correct me if I'm wrong but compensation would have to be paid to leeds I feel----but he'd be a superb signing.

01 Sep 2016 18:14:29
There may be a few more freed after the EPL's frenetic transfers but Sol Bamba alongside Senderos for me would be a formidable pairing and I reckon top 3 should be achievable 👍.

01 Sep 2016 19:12:52
We be good to get bamba, hefty wage I would think though.

01 Sep 2016 19:17:43
Just a shame that we signed Hill. Bamba would be a perfect addition to the squad and would be a logical partner for Senderos.

01 Sep 2016 20:25:07
wasn't hill signed to be a defensive coach down the road---.

01 Sep 2016 20:29:25
Wilson is our best centre back and that includes senderos.

01 Sep 2016 20:58:25
logical partner for a player you haven't seen play in a rangers shirt for another player who isn't anywhere near signing and never will.

01 Sep 2016 21:17:51
Deecee. You are indeed. Compensation for free agents is all to do with young players and compensation for their training between the ages of 15 and 21. Bamba does definitely doesn't fall into this category with Leeds.

01 Sep 2016 22:16:11
Ross, Senderos is a Swiss International, the major problem he has had is fitness. If he can stay fit then he will be a good player. I just don't rate Hill, and I can't see Kiernan ever being an International centre Back and I still reckon that Warburton prefers him over Wilson. As for bamba, he has a level of speed that our current centre backs can only dream about. I just don't particularly rate Kiernan and Wilson and as you might have gathered by now I would have Hill nowhere near Ibrox!

02 Sep 2016 10:17:23
bid D/ W should be the defensive coach not hill .
he is a better defender.

02 Sep 2016 10:18:55
We've had plenty of internationals that jave been dumplings konterman, sebo, sionko, guivarch. i could go on all day.

01 Sep 2016 23:27:08
Don't give up on Kiernan guys!

01 Sep 2016 23:35:31
Get him what ever the wage if senderos is on 16.500 a week give bamba the same and have them play against the other mob I'd be buzzing for the old firm
I don't c we shouldn't be going after players like bamba bringing in another CB would make me have more confidence especially as I sit in the bf and quite close to the pitch rob and Wilson gives me the heebie geebies.

01 Sep 2016 16:05:25
Jason holt has been badly missed in my opinion never stops running and young windass aswell.

01 Sep 2016 16:36:03
Yeah those are our engine players, feel as if it has been very evident that we have been lacking drive in there and that's why, just unfortunate both happen to be injured at the same time we will look much better with either in the side.

01 Sep 2016 17:20:37
certainly agree with Windass, he is the most direct we have and gives us variation on our possession game.

01 Sep 2016 17:46:06
when will Holt and Windass be fit Bears?

01 Sep 2016 18:22:58
after the old firm game. Barton has been poor so far, he might be dropped if holt and windas return to form.

01 Sep 2016 18:52:53
Windass been missed? Return to form? How many games has he played for us and what sort of form has he had?

01 Sep 2016 21:38:54
Windass and Holt would provide a bit of energy and tempo to the team.
Windass last appeared against East Stirling and looked to be very direct and full of running and is also a goal scorer.
Looks a decent signing by Warbs.

01 Sep 2016 15:08:49
Seen a few folk saying who plays left back if wallace gets injured or suspended and hodson on the right, itll be andy halliday, he was played out of position last year, played lb for charlton and bradford before we signed him, might be why we bought more midfielders than needed.

01 Sep 2016 13:21:52
Don't you think that Sky Sports should be giving Scottish Football a better tv deal than the current one? I for one thinks an absolute joke!

The SPL and the rest of the leagues should be getting a deal of at least 100m per annum

Sky and English football is "destroying" the game North of the border! FACT.

01 Sep 2016 13:28:08
find enough people willing to pay Sky enough money to make it worth while offering 100m a year, Or are you saying English football should subsidise Scotish football?

01 Sep 2016 13:38:53
100m hahaha, brilliant stuff. and at the same time I reckon UEFA should give us 2 automatic Champions league spots. 1 3rd round champions league spot. 2 Europa League automatic spots and 1 3rd round Europa League spot. We don't deserve them but screw it, if Sky should give us that then UEFA should give us better too! We get £15mil per season from sky, that isn't a bad deal at all. However I will remind you all that we did shoot ourselves in the foot all those years ago when we get a bit to greedy so sky pulled the plug. take what we get guys, as right now the £15mil is all we will get.

01 Sep 2016 14:06:49
Why would sky give us that much when supporters of 80% of the teams can't be arsed going to watch there team i'm sick of all these clubs with no support why should they get money.

01 Sep 2016 14:18:45
The reason Scotland gets so little is because the product is rubbish and we are a small country with not great viewing audiences.

01 Sep 2016 14:34:48
Problem is. We don't have the viewers to match down south. Sky make a lot more £s from subscribers based in England than they do in Scotland, so they will give them a deal that matches.

01 Sep 2016 14:49:25
I would much rather see Clubs being able to negotiate their own deals, perhaps with a percentage of what the secure being repatriated into a Fund for the development of football in general.

01 Sep 2016 15:20:57
I think everyone knows why we don't get even 10 percent of th amount that they do south of the border and belive me guys if we had investment like that the world would want to see our football too its because they have invested in the game down south that they are now the best league in the world. if sky invested in us we could be world wide aswell and i'm not talking about making it 20 mill a year split between everyone .

downt south think they all got 90 million each or something stupib like that its just disgusting!

01 Sep 2016 15:44:43
the sfa screwed us by getting greedy all those years ago.

01 Sep 2016 15:58:40
Half of the stadia are an eyesore on tv and stuff on the park no better. Pitches like ploughed fields in winter and empty stadiums that's why not getting big bucks from sky.

01 Sep 2016 15:59:31
Not buying in to the "Scottish football is rubbish, that's why we don't get a £££££ TV deal"

Jus take a look at what Sky TV actual offer! They have the EPL, EFL, SPL, Scottish Championship, Dutch Eridivisie, MLS, Chinese Super League plus any Cup ties etc.

Sky dictate to us what they want to pay, they are not short of games to show nor are they short of customers. Not to mention the tug of war they have with BT Sports with regards to European games.
The standard of game has little to do with it, agreed having he old firm helps but not enough to demand mega bucks.

I'm afraid we just need to accept what we get.

01 Sep 2016 17:57:50
UEFA need to bring back the Cup Winners Cup! teams need another Euro Competition to bring in revenue. Could try giving a place to Lge Cup Winners and a place on Lge position! Different Countrys may do different things but would make the Lge (diddy) Cup a lot more appealing, What's your thoughts Bears? Also some teams need to slash ticket prices (Season) to provide atmosphere at grounds I'm sure if they halfed prices more than double their average would turn up or purchase Season Ticket.

01 Sep 2016 18:06:01
Sorry but the standard does have a lot to do with it. The only game anyone down south would watch is old firm game. Used to work down south and the general opinion is the game is rubbish up here and no one wants to watch it down south.

01 Sep 2016 18:22:05
Well it's part of parcel If we had a better deal from Sky then the support along with stadiums would soon be full every week.

01 Sep 2016 18:56:20
Cup winners cup also known now as the Europa league.

01 Sep 2016 19:21:33
Is it not mainly because most people in Scotland don't actually pay for sky sports and they just stream it off a website their mates give them! Haha.

02 Sep 2016 02:53:23
The Cup they use for Europe Lge is the UEFA Cup!

01 Sep 2016 23:52:15
We should get 10% of what EPL gets that is several £100 mil a year
Population share = subscriber share
Would make huge difference to our game up here.

01 Sep 2016 11:34:21
Can't help but think that the money spent in England is moral repugnant.

+£1.5bn and £200k + per week wages are obscene - It amazes me why so little is made of it by the press or politicians

It's not really sport if it is all about how much money you have to spend.

01 Sep 2016 11:45:08
I don't know why people get so morally outraged by over inflated football transfers. If people want to pay over the odds for Sky, then Sky want to pay over the odds for a tv deal then the clubs will pay over the odds for players. It's a market.
It's no different from us dominating Scottish Football because of our larger fan base.

01 Sep 2016 12:28:40
Were you complaining when we were doing 9 in a row? Got to say it is ridiculous to pay people more in a month than some will make in a lifetime. If people are happy to be ripped off by Sky though, things won't change. Even in Scotland I see a lot of over paid, under worked fairies getting paid crazy money.

I have been saying for years the EPL will go tits up one day, it seems to get stronger all the time.

01 Sep 2016 12:30:24
Its different when our own football is being overlooked and paid an utter pittance. Our sky subscribers cash goes toward English teams, whom in-turn like to look down their nose and pour scorn on our game. Even now and possibly more so in the future, our kids will be supporting english teams rather than our own. Just because a football player is paid £200k per week against a football player paid £30k (celtic) this doesn't necessarily mean that they are streets ahead of the latter. Yes I agree they will be better, however. how much is the question. The English game and its money is creating a vortex in football. All monies for tv rights, clubs, players signings/ wages, fans entry and merchandise should be capped and regulated worldwide. Its the only way fairness and competition will come back into the game.

01 Sep 2016 12:41:30
Moral outrage is borne out of the numbers.

People jump up and down at bankers, politicians etc earning big bucks (very small compared to EPL footballers) but don't have an issue with moodie Rooney earning £1m every month?

01 Sep 2016 11:46:14
It's just the same money being recycled, your lucky if there was 400m fresh being spent. They love to inflate and market themselves like that, anything to get people to talk about them. We were notorious for outspending everyone so if you want to apply that then your discrediting your own club. Majority of there money goes to wages. That's why I can't understand people going mental of Leicester winning the league, I don't know any other team of that calibre that can afford 200k a week wages, yet all you here is "they only spent 20m" or whatever there still massive wage spenders. We allow England to market themselves and to spend themselves into the billions by buy watching there games, buying there strips talking about there garbage football. This has in turn forced the other members of the top leagues to get four teams into the champions league so they can try to compete with them. I walk about and all I see is foreign strips and its embarrassing.

01 Sep 2016 11:47:34
And so little is said because ££££ in taxes and exposure of the country in general. West Minister is bias to England and always will be.

01 Sep 2016 13:27:46
rec bob I don't understand your comment mate! its just like us because we have a bigger fan base its got nothing to do with that if that was the case then most of the English clubs would have a bigger fan base than us which they don't but they can still spend 35 million on bang average players!
its just nonsense!

01 Sep 2016 16:51:37
We have more fans willing to pay money to watch us play than the other Scottish teams and that's why we have dominated Scottish Football. More people are willing to pay to watch the EPL (worldwide on Sky) than any other league and that is why they dominate the transfer market. Simples. It's just different markets, same rules apply.

01 Sep 2016 18:01:29
Just my opinion Bears but with the right coach there ain't a huge difference between a 1-2m player and one at 250k-500k.

01 Sep 2016 14:03:08
There is no way that the English League can sustain this type of spending indefinitely. All that it will take is for a few Arabs/ Americans/ Far Easterners to lose interest and walk away and/ or SKY to pull the plug and the whole of English football would dissolve overnight. I am not saying that it will happen any time soon but all good things come to an end, we as a club should be brutally aware of that above all others.

England may have a strong (but not the strongest) League but their National team have suffered enormously because of it. Joe Hart on loan to Torino! Really?

To me that epitomises everything that is wrong with English football.

If their National keeper can't get a game in the league then the rest may as well call it a day.

The poster who said that the EPL is destroying Scottish Football must have made a typo and meant SPL. Quite how one league flourishing destroys another doesn't make sense.

Scottish football has destroyed itself through gross mismanagement, years of neglect, lack of funding and ultimately a product that nobody wants to watch be it on tv or live.

We should be grateful of whatever deal SKY, BT or BBC give us because in my opinion it is a donation not sponsorship.

01 Sep 2016 10:51:40
Rangers 11 vs Celtic

Fods
Tav, Kiernan (Wilson if fit), Senderos, Wallace;

Rossiter, Barton;
Kranjcar;

Waghorn, Garner, McKay.

I just feel like niko has a Pedro Mendes-esque performance in him.

01 Sep 2016 13:34:06
wes

tav senderos Wilson Wallace

rossiter holt

forrester McKay

waggy
garner

think we should play 4 4 2 save niko and barton until selik get tired and bring on miller he is always good for a goal against that lot!

01 Sep 2016 09:27:09
Ok just for the banter who would win 11v11 and what's the score etc. Last year v newbies!

Fods Gilks
Tav Hodson
Kiernan Senderos
Wilson Hill
Wallace Crooks (not a LB I know)
Halliday Barton
Holt Rossiter
Forrester Windass
McKay Kranjcar
Miller Garner
Waghorn Dodoo.

01 Sep 2016 09:32:57
last years.

01 Sep 2016 09:47:01
last years team I think aswell but they will work well together soon I just hope its on the 10th of September we click.

01 Sep 2016 14:00:09
compare the players signed to those who left though, night and day.

01 Sep 2016 08:41:43
Alright guys,

Whats everyones thought on trying a 3 at the back?

Wilson - Senderos - Kiernan

WIth Wallace and Tav playing as wingbacks. I think this could be a good system for playing against teams (hopefully) when we get to Europe. This would also suit a midfield pairing like Barton and Rossiter or Halliday. With 2 upfront probably Garner, as he looks willing to throw himself about, win in the air and hold up play. Which you could literally float, Waghorn, Windass, Holt, Forrester or MoH of him?

Think its worth a shout when teams are set up to counter 4-3-3.

01 Sep 2016 09:01:36
No thanks, why would we change our structure to accommodate both Wilson and Kiernan, two players that are the weakest in the team. They will both be lucky to get a game once everyone is fit if other players play to their full capability.

I for one want to see what Crooks is capable of and if he could play at centre back he would come into the side for me ahead of both Kiernan and Wilson.

Perhaps if we had better centre backs than Kiernan and Wilson it would be an option but, as we have seen before, playing these two guys together weakens the side.

01 Sep 2016 09:29:54
Don't see how they are the weakest in the team based on this seasons performances. Haliday has by far looked the weakest player to me we do literally nothing when he's in midfield. Neither the two have made any mistakes but they still continue to get slaughtered by fans and I don't understand why. Also we will never change from 4-3-3 the whole time MW is managing us and that's just his pholosophy on how football should be played. Doesn't matter if you're watching a first team game, an under 20's or an under 10's its all 4-3-3 (maybe not the under 10's but you get what I mean)

01 Sep 2016 09:44:54
While I like the 3-5-2 formation it has a major flaw, which is that it can be destroyed by fast wingers. All you do is play balls over the top to them or diagonal balls out wide for them to run on to. This is why Lovenkrands did so well against Celtic.

The fact that Celtic have quick and skillful wingers makes this formation a big no no for me.

01 Sep 2016 10:27:47
Ross - it doesn't have to be Plan A, we need a Plan B for when things aren't going our way with our system. I believe 4-3-3 is the way to go against most opposition. Just 3-5-2 would be a good way of countering teams that are countering 4-3-3 haha!

Boss - I agree about the Celtic thing, 4-3-3 is a good system to play against them, they'll come out and play and give us space.

01 Sep 2016 11:07:16
it's laughable that you say Wilson is one of the weakest in the team. I take it you don't watch the games? he is usually one of our better players and has to cover for the rest of our awful defence.

01 Sep 2016 11:07:18
Kk11

4-1-3-2.

01 Sep 2016 11:28:53
We have many plans, you just can't see them because you aren't clued up enough about the team. Players and positions are rotated and tinkered constantly as well as substitutions with the key aim to change something within the game. If you don't change the formation it doesn't mean you don't have a plan b.

01 Sep 2016 11:31:41
Cee's bang on I remember about 6-8 months ago on here everyone was having a go at Wilson and I had to defend him vigorously I'm glad to see now that he's starting to get some recognition. Always felt RK was the weaker of the two although I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as people make out. Not a single person who criticises them takes into account how we played last season and the majority of the time there opinion is formed on games from last season. Our defence has been solid this season look at Celtic leaking goals all over the place yet its us who are worrying about conceding a lot of goals at s***head. We have been poor going forward and its about time people realised that. Will take another few weeks till we hit our stride but when we do you'll all calm down.

01 Sep 2016 11:56:09
Ross I agree with what you say most of the time but Kiernan is not a Rangers class CB. He lacks the mental side of the game and his decision making is not up to standard. Wilson will go on to be the best CB in the league when he gets the right partner in beside him and I just hope it's Senderos.
The only time Wilsons had any criticism in his career is by playing bedside Kiernan. The minute the ball is anywhere near Kiernan you can fell the tension in the stands and that is simply not good enough. When the ball went near a Gough or Amoruso you knew they would clear it no matter what and so did the whole crowd. The CB's are meant to instil confidence in the players in front of them, Kiernan instills sheer terror in the players and fans.
If MW decides Keirnan is the better of the two and plays him with Senderos over Wilson I would have to seriously doubt his judgement as every fan I know is dying for the guy to be benched to put us out our misery.

01 Sep 2016 00:25:53
senderos will be making the most coin so will be a starter in my opinion. My preference would be him and Wilson. Kiernan follows the ball too much for me and is out his depth.

01 Sep 2016 11:09:06
kiernan and Wilson are good player just not together both need to play next to a big strong commanding centre half's. the games Wilson has payed this season he has been very good.