Rangers Banter Archive December 20 2012

20 Dec 2012 19:11:38
Question to my fellow shareholders only- has anyone received notification yet regarding the purchase of shares?

JG

@JG. just seen you use share.com for your portfolio.Would you not have instant proof the transaction has been made?

@1 - how would share.com know i have bought rangers shares if i never bought them using share.com?
It was not possible, for the IPO shares had to be bought at the rangersshareoffer.com website using the application form,
now i need my share certificate to get them in included in my share.com account
but if i buy any more, then yes i will buy direct through share.com

JG

Hi when you bought your shares did you not get a conformation email saying certificates would be sent out on 7th jan

@3 - i got an application confirmation email stating that
Share certifcates will be posted to successful applicants on 7 January 2013
however I had never received any confirmation till now that my application was successful

Just called capita registers this morning and they have confimed

JG

I bought shares and ive just recieved a 20quid voucher for lidls well chuffed billy bear thorton

@5; Better hire a van if your spending £20 in Lidl.

I never got any vouchers mmmmmmm

20 Dec 2012 15:26:16
just seen a post on the rumours page mentioning John Brown.It seems that Ally also knows the information Brown knows and understands why he must bide his time before going public.Does anybody else think it's time Brown just went back to being a fan? If Ally knew there was some problem with Mr Green i am sure he would never have endorsed him so wholeheartedly.If Brown has information,and he claimed he had proof,what is he waiting for? The Green take over has happened,the share floatation has happened,so why the delay John?

Yeah agree mate it's all done now.
Time to come clean.
The deeds issue big secret and the share prospectus skipping around deeds. No more secrets we all deserve truth going forward.

Ally is both self serving and would back up any dodgy geezer propping up Rangers. It's a dirty game and Ally's a player.

Just remember that Ally trusted Whyte and his all lies. How much did Ally pay for his shares or was it part of his deal?

@3

So great to have hindsight. Congratulations to you.

Ally was gifted shares. And someone banked 150,000 pounds yesterday morning selling shares first thing. Wonder who it was? 150,000 pounds buys a lot of pies.

@4 I posted the same question when Brown was shouting fro the Ibrox steps mate. Also did Ally pay for his shares?

@5 i use share.com for my shares and this is the only announcement made by RNS to date

Director Dealing


Rangers International Football Club plc (AIM:RFC), the holding company for the Scottish football club, was informed on 19th December 2012 that, on the same day, Phil Cartmell (Non-Executive Director) purchased 25,800 ordinary shares of 1 penny each in the Company ("Ordinary Shares") at a price of 76.5 pence. Pursuant to this transaction Phil Cartmell is interested in 25,800 Ordinary Shares representing 0.04% of the issued ordinary share capital.

JG

Lets face it, mccoist needs the like of CW and CG because he would never get a management job outside of the club!

20 Dec 2012 11:06:32
I have to admire the old lady of turin, i remember her class when she gave me a humpin, she's coming back to the east end for more. Juve were thrown from the top of Italian football for a whole lot more than my club/team ever done, we can turn it up again in time,Kelpie. Juve over 2 legs, to win by 2 goals Agg. my bet, not a glorious prediction, just for the banter.

20 Dec 2012 12:30:55
"Just for the banter" I will enjoy watching my team "the grand old team" play the "old lady" in the Champions League.
In 2013 Celtic fans will have a visit to Turin to look forward to, while your fans have Annan to visit. HH Timalloy

Sorry club/teams owners. Kelpie

Theres no Del Piero to single handedly destroy the Scottish Team this year but juve should have enough to qualify over 2 legs. I think Manchester United will lift the Trophy this year if they can keep Vidic Rio Rooney & Van Persie fit they play as a unit like Barca Bayern & Dortmund but also have the firepower to kill teams off theres too many big egos & a lack of solidarity at the likes of Madrid or just big Zlatan alone at PSG for them to make real impact this year Fergie will probs get the better of any manager in the tournament although Barca are still favourites id be surprised if Vilanova wins it his 1st season.

Larky Bear

For the last time, rangers 1872 were not thrown out of the spl, they were liquidated therfore had to re-apply to the sfl as a new club!!

Remember being at Ibrox as a youngster back in 78 when we knocked Juve out of the European Cup under John Greig. A magical night!

As for Celtic. tbh they've done superbly well to even get this far & personally I doubted they'd get through both qualifiers. But they aren't going any further.

Well all enjoy watching your team get humped,oops i mean play "the old lady", this time unlike barca, juve should have a full 1st team !!

@3 it wasn't just del peiro that destroyed us at ibrox, they had a great team back then.

Further or not , let's all enjoy a Scottish / Glasgow team being in there

@4

At least get the facts right. They were placed into admin.

I actually think Celtic have got probably the best draw out of this.

Lets face it. Italians don't play particularly well against Scottish teams. Theres plently of Italian teams that have struggled or been beaten by Rangers and Celtic over the last 15 years
I think this could go either way

Rikkisixx

(Ps I hope they get Pumped though ;)

Rangers had there sfa share transferred in fact. Also tbh I think Celtic could have got lucky in the draw. Could have been alot worse. Be very close that tie.

@6; Ooh,a bit jealous are we.You are no doubt one of the gers who bet on celtic not getting a point in the group.Just enjoy the game cos we will,although you might be playing Alloa away that night.

@11) mate Rangers didn't have a SFA share 'transfer'. Old rangers fell into liquidation and SFA gave CGs new Rangers an entry into association football. It's not the same membership or any that nonsense. Guys leave golf clubs and new guys are admitted.
To get his membership CG agreed to entry sanctions.
If it was the same football club it would have always had the same membership and not lost it.

Cheers all you bears out there.Keep up your CL predictions.You have'nt been right yet.

Is the 3rd division football that boring you need to find other games that interest you ?? like i say glad to entertain you whilst your club drags its self back

#13. You are right. But did the SFA not muddy the water by making one of the sanctions paying OldCo football debt. I'm a Celt and I still don't get that.

I can't be assed with all this anyway. I want the rivalry back (minus the bitterness).

Shuggy

@5 i remember being there as well, what a great night in our history that was

was also there when we got a heeluva beating 0-4 by a juve team that went on to win the CL that year

JG

At no.12 you are right we do wish we were in a similar position it's well documented what went on at Rangers.

so why don't you just enjoy the position your team are in rather than bating rangers fans who have done nothing wrong but have to listen to the incessant drivel about being in the third division.
We all know this is a banter page but wearing a bit thin give it up and move on

@13. Type rangers transfer sfa share into google and see what awaits you. Many an article from July or august maybe stating that sfa transfer rangers share to newco. Not new club.

Clubs dont own " shares " in the sfa they have membership ... they simply applied to transfer the vacant membership

19 Dec 2012 19:21:08
can someone explain to me about £22.2m raised in the share issue-CG has original investors for this exercise we will say 5 investors put in £1m each and buy the assets for the £5m,weeks later the assets are valued at over £50m,so your money is now worth 10x. Then a share issue delutes your £1m which would be £10m back down to £5m.CG says £10m will go to ally,£9m to repair ibrox and the share issue cost £2.5m,so not much left for the investors who took the risk to invest when everyone buried their heads in the sand. So what in it for these guys who unlike the so called blue knights are not rangers fans

The share issue was down to generate capital to help move the club forward. The original investors haven't lost any money and when the club does progress then the share value will rise and investors will see a return should they sell their shares. However their original investment being 10x as you state was not sustainable as without the share issue there would have been insufficient funds to move the club forward.

Initial investment of £5m is an interest earning loan which is secured against the assets and won't lose it's value. Anything they earn from share dividends or selling shares is pure profit.

OP - explain again? really? lets use CG as an example,
invested 825k with the consortium to buy assets and club from D&P
Got 5m shares in RFCL
RIFC now exchanged one share RIFC for 1 share RFCL
CG got 5m shares current value at 76p per share today = 3.6m (2.8m profit on paper) thats whats in it

22.2m was new investment for working capital, stadium upgrades, new players, operating costs etc

JG

@JG; What? greens consortium paid around £5m for the assets and goodwill we were told.This,as green stated many times was, a loan.Oh and remember no where on the prospectus does it say new players.Operating costs?a few months ago green said the money was in place for this.Where has that gone?

@4 - Yes 5.5m paid to D&P but there is one thing about CG when he makes a statement he officially releases it, normally through the rangers website first

please give me a link where he states he made a 5m loan please

In response to your question see section E.2a where it clearly states general working capital purposes
(in a football club that would include buying players)
If you check further you will see that pre share issue we had 4.5m in bank for operating capital and all loans (1.8m) had been repaid

JG

@JG. What a load of nonsense,buying players would not be termed working capital. The term working capital pertains to business expenses, Utilities,taxes,wages,bills for services rendered etc.A new player would not fit into that bracket re claiming tax back.

@6 - if buying a player is not an expense then what is it?

JG

@JG. Of course it's an expense,but never could it be called working capital.I think players would be bracketed in necessary expense.When Mr Green and his board do their business projections buying players will not be on it.Wages will of course,because they are part of the Working Capital.