Rangers Banter Archive February 20 2012
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20 Feb 2012 23:28:20
Is it true rangers supporters are boycotting all away games
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If this is true, those supporters have the same morals as Craig Whyte.
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If rangers fans decide not to go to away games and instead give the money the will save to rangers in some way ie buy club merchandise etc I think this is a great idea. No other club seems bothered about saving our club so why should we line thier coffers?
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Why would any other club be bothered about saving your club. They have their own problems and will be looking to pay their way. After all you lot did not care about them money due to Hearts, Dundee Utd and Dunfermline. That is a quarter of the league due money from you that would go a long way for them.
Ian(For every £1 Celtic spend Rangers will pay their creditors 10p)
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I think Rangers fans should be more worried about fans of the other SPL clubs boycotting Ibrox , it is your only source of income from now on , so diddums , get over yourselves , Rangers are in the mire because of their own financial mis-management , spending money yous didn't have on big name players (while all the other teams played by the rules) , a form of "Financial Doping" which you lot all bought into , lapping it up , bragging and gloating , not stopping to think where all the money was coming from , only now when your luck has ran out , you think other clubs should feel sorry for yous and "Bail" yous out , Mr Murray showed Airdrie no mercy and put them into liquidation , quite honestly you have a cheek , looking for sympathy , you should be treated the same as every other team if you break the rules , the same punishment should apply .
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To the above poster, don't dare trash, celtic have a cheek! yous did the same thing back in the 90‘s hense why yous went to the wall and didn't get bought until a few hours before your full team became painter and decorators! We are innocent until proven guilty! which won't happen, we will come back stronger and from our legend “We dont do walking“
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Sorry to burst your bubble but Celtic never went into administration.
The Bank of Scotland informed Celtic that it was calling in the receivers on Thursday 3 March 1994 as a result of exceeding a £5 million overdraft. However, expatriate businessman Fergus McCann wrested control of the club, and ousted the family dynasties which had controlled Celtic since its foundation. According to media reports, McCann took over the club minutes before it was to be declared bankrupt.
In order to alleviate the club's considerable financial debt, McCann reconstituted the then privately owned Celtic Football & Athletic Company Limited as a public limited company - Celtic PLC - resulting in one of the most successful stock market flotations in British financial history. The share issue generated £14 million and saw the redevelopment of Celtic Park into a 60,832 all-seater stadium. During this period, Lou Macari was sacked by McCann and replaced by former Celtic player Tommy Burns, who restored a more attacking style of play.
Ian(For every £1 Celtic spend Rangers will pay 10p to their creditors)
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To the above poster , are you still in denial ? come off it mate , you are in the serious financial bother , FACT , whether or not yous "Win" the big tax case yous have lived beyond your means for years , to float David Murrays' over inflated EGO , he tried to "Buy" the European Cup , all the other clubs have played by the rules (those who havent have been punished accordingly , ie Motherwell , Dundee , Livingston , Hamilton Accies) , do you honestly think we should all feel sorry for yous and bail yous out ? your arrogance and self importance is sickening mate , yes Celtic did nearly go to the wall in 1994 , but it was a totally different set of circumstances , not to do with cheating the tax man to sign players we couldnt afford , Fergus McCann saved Celtic with the help of the Celtic fans , with no help from Rangers or any other club , the SFA , or political intervention , Celtic are run in a totally different way from Rangers and will never be allowed to get into financial strife again , i personally expect yous to be "helped" out and get off lightly , that is why Scottish Football is a laughing stock as is Scottish society in general .
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20 Feb 2012 23:15:52
Now I Dnt have a musical bone in my body but it think us gers should try and get a good tune to go with
We Dnt do walking away
Or if someone can come up with a song or chant and maybe it can be as good as follow follow or simply the best so come on bears get thinking or writing
Because what Dnt we do bears WE DNT DO WALKING AWAY
Super ally super ally
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What bout hey jude, the na na na bit
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20 Feb 2012 23:21:26
the off-field problems are a smoke screen for the inept job our manager is doing. he is tactically naive, the football is boring and out of all competitions by beginning of february. i can't understand all the support and chants for ally cause for me he ain't manager material.i will guarantee that we finish third come the end of the season.
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Ally out end of season mccall in
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The end of rangers a f/@kin smoke screen
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Ally out McCall in,Ally out Butcher in,some people talk some sh@t ? The shi@ we're in at the minute Billy Graham couldn't Manage us,Calm your self--- WATP---
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20 Feb 2012 22:30:29
whyte sayes he wants to focus on rangers no chance mister pound man u will never be welcomed back so take the hint and get lost
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Dont no y all fuss about whyte he will turn it round and needs support
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See the person that posted this Dont no y all fuss about whyte he will turn it round and needs support think u have been smoking to much pot
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20 Feb 2012 21:17:10
have to say lookin at everything overall all these guys mentioned but its the same thing holding us bak this disgrace that is is the big tax case debacle, hmrc say they will appeal apeal appeal if gers win wonder if thats still the case , i think it will be craig whyte who owns rangers no matter wot hes got all the aces whether he sells of starts runnin the club properly us the fans cant really do anything till we all stand together like barca n hamburg single ownership cant work after this , thats my opinion
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Not the only thing holding you back. Did you not hear the songs on Saturday?
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20 Feb 2012 21:10:59
can someone please explain to me why we owe ticketus a payment when they have stated they never loaned rangers money for % of season tckts but they claim they bought them from rangers
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The deal which Ticketus have with Rangers is indeed NOT a loan.
Ticketus have PURCHASED season books from Rangers for future seasons at a discount to what the value of the season books will be. In the future seasons Ticketus then sell the season books at face value.
The difference between the discounted price they have bought them for now and the face value they sell them at in the future is how Ticketus make their profit.
Ticketus will get Rangers to carry out the marketing and administration of selling the season tickets so it will always look like Rangers are selling them.
Rangers must sell the Ticketus season books first to gaurantee Ticketus first payment and then once they are sold, Rangers can then start selling their "own" books.
Hopefully this explains the situation.
There are a few other points worth making.
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The fact that Ticketus paid the money into Craig Whyte's solicitor's client account does not mean that Rangers do not have to pay Ticketus from the sale of future season books. The contract with Ticketus is most likely between Rangers and Ticketus, so Rangers will have the responsibility. It is common practice in commercial deals for the receiver of the money (in this case Craig Whyte) to have the responsibility of nominating the bank account payment is made into (in this case his solicitor's client account and not Rangers). He is likely to have done this perfectly legally.
Point 2
Because it is a sale of advance season tickets and not a loan it is a sale of goods and as such the amount of money received, namely £24.4m includes VAT of £4.06m. As such Rangers may find they are due another £4.07m to HMRC in addition to the £9m already known.
Point 3
Because it is an advance purchase of season tickets it is not a bebt. As such it cannot be included in any CVA and repaid on a pence in the pound agreement. This means that if Rangers come out of administration the full amount due to Ticketus is payable over the next 4 seasons, something that will be off puting to any investor.
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The only way to get rid of the Ticketus payments is for Rangers to go into liquidation. All future seasons sales of season books would then go 100% to the new company. Downside is that Rangers cease to exist but it would be more appealing to any investor, purely on a commercial basis.
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In summary, there are a lot more implications for Rangers still to come from the Ticketus deal, the most relevant of which will be whether any money from this deal still exists or whether it was used by Craig Whyte to pay of the Lloyds debt. If it has been used to pay of Lloyds and this was done legally, then Craig Whyte has a floating charge of £18m over Rangers assets for an investment of £1 to purchase the club, and Rangers are left to pay Ticketus the value of the advance sales over the next 4 seasons. Again, not appealing to any investor.
We will have to wait and see what information is released by the administrators, but my feelings are that the Ticketus situation is going to be very damaging for Rangers and very profitable for Craig Whyte.
Liquidation.
Debt.
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Thats a good point been wondering this my self
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They have bought season tickets in advance, when Rangers fans buy a season ticket for the next four years, they , not Rangers will get the cash.where the money will come for wages etc is a mystery
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20 Feb 2012 21:03:06
what is the more realistic target for rangers shall we try our best to stay 2nd above motherwell or shall we try and win every remaining game and reduce the point gap below 10 points and make THEM feel like s**t
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Eh obviously we would rather tryin win every game n ofthe happens we will obviously be second. Bit of a daft post there buddy
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Wouldnt cause me a jot of concern if we won by 30 or 3 points, i dont buy into stripping titles or devalued titles.
False logic, you cant change history and you cant undo a point deduction.
Nevis
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We are not going to finish less than 10 points behind hem. More like 30 points they things re going
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By the time you play ICT , Celtic will be 23 points ahead . You can't even score at home . How on earth can you get within 10 points ? Celtic are Champions Elect ( I predict they will run out winners by 30+ points )
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More likely to lose the league by 30 points!
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Ha,ha.thats it.
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Both won't happen I'm afraid, 3rd place for rangers
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That's a silly question. If you did the later, you'd achieve the former.
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Are you serious? I think you will be doing well to win a game the rest of the season!
You couldn't beat killie on sat with a full house (for 70mins anyway) so how do you expect your team to get up for an away game at it?
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Wake up and smell the Coffee, Rangers are in real danger of going like Third Lanark or Gretna, its a fight for survival, the club could be over a hundred million in debt,it will take full houses and wages like Motherwell pay for the next twenty years to get back to square one
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Celtic has clearly won the league by default, and don't even bother hittin me with pash, and the end of the day yous would have a fight on your hands, cos we were startin to pick ourselves back up then the admin bomshell dropped into ibrox, thers is lot of false hope within our club now, there will be a big talk to the guys that we NEED to finish 2nd and that we don't have to care about septic.
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The only person who is really happy with what is happening at Rangers is-- Neil Lennon, WHY because if he hadn't won the league this season he'd have been SACKED and this is the only why he was ever going to win it.
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Picking ourselves back up? Dundee utd pumped us out the Scottish cup a couple of weeks ago.
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I think you'll be doing wekll jsut to finish the season.
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20 Feb 2012 20:43:44
Now whyte staying at ibrox i for one wont be back at ibrox as i just cant stand the thot of him getting my money,i would rather fold and start again than pay him another penny,we at a crossroads support team and fill whytes pockets or fold the club,im mad at posistion are in whats your thots on what to do
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Just to clear things up you would rather see the team you support go out of business than give Craig Whyte money? You do realise the money is going to pay off creditors not to Whyte.
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Craig whyte was or is the only secured creditor,i would rather us start afresh than fund that 1 we on a double edged sword and dont even no half of it,only scratched the surface,
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20 Feb 2012 20:30:37
this guy probably read the article on bbcsport regarding fiorentina when they went into administration and relegated to the serieC !! And as usual posted a lot of p***
Mark ;)
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20 Feb 2012 19:58:54
does anybody know if it
would be possible to set up some
kind of Rangers fund? to raise
revenue to get us out of this mess,
i have supported Rangers all of my
life and have been thinking lets say
there is 200,000 Rangers fans world
wide and every single one of us
could donate say £100 per person
this would raise 20 million straight
away, if anybody out there has the
knowledge to help set this up my
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pot, i spoke with fellow Gers
work colleagues today and they said
they would contribute.
i would imagine out of the 200,000
world wide fans that there would be
quite few willing to contribute a lot
more than £100 per person, come on
Bears lets get together? did you see
that mob yesterday taking the p**s
its got to stop soon , G.H.R Ayrshire
Loyal.
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Craig Whyte will just love you. Getting 200,000 supporters to put in £100 each while he stills owns 85% of the company.
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Try the Rangers Supporters Trust site am sure they have details about a bank account that has been set up.
Iam Legend
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Nae luck.its just starting,wait till ibrox!!!!!
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I've got £100 pounds worth of jeggie bottles, you can have them!
Miko x
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I agree but a friend tells me not to at this stage as, when we come out of administration Whyte still owns the club so effectively we are giving him the money to steal from us again.....this guy has no morals, conscience or sense of right....so he would pocket it and stick another 2 fingers up to us all.......!
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The stadium bar gave out leaflets on Saturday with a number an website to get intouch with. PaulRFC
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This has been getting said for weeks but no does anything it's getting annoying now
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20 Feb 2012 19:35:58
Ed001's Note - isn't the whole point that there is no proof of these letters? Because if they truly existed, and HMRC had proof of their existence, this case would have been done and dusted by now surely?}
the letters DO exist, this is the reason rangers are in court. they have been found guilty, accepted their guilt and are disputing the fines and interest. this is what seems to go over peoples' heads, who cares if other clubs have used EBT's, they were legal up until 2010 and HMRC cannot chase clubs for money before it became illegal. rangers problem is that they absolved players and directors of any payment of tax in this scheme.
this IS NOT a test case so they can go after EPL clubs, it's merely a fore-runner for catching those who abused the EBT scheme, and not every club who has used EBT's has abused it in the same way as rangers
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A think you should change your name tae taxo , tedbear
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Have you nothing better to do with your life than spend it trying to prove people wrong.... Does it give you a stiffy! PaulRFC
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They have not been found guilty of anything at present. The case is not to decide the amount, but to decide if they are guilty. Suggest you go back to your own page and spout your crap to fellow minded fuds
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Tedbear, i don't give bigots the time of day, so your post (as always) will be ignored.
paulrfc (in administration), it does give me a stiffy.....does that make you happy?
all i can say to the nameless poster is, research what constitutes a first-tier tribunal, then an Upper Tribunal, and see if you still think your argument stands up
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Ho Taco...where are you getting your info from?...tell me its not from that Taxcase website some of you mhanks have been running for the last two years..ha ha..honestly my dug knows more than you do...lolz
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He's right y'know. rangers have accepted guilt and are disputing the fines and penalties.if they get a result there will still be a bill of at best 7m
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How can you answer someone's posts - then say your ignoring it ? You are a toolbox! PaulRFC
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Wit taxo , am a bigot cause a called you taxo , away n lie doon , tedbear
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Can't understand how it not clear. Rangers have lost the big tax case. They are appealling this decision through a first tier tribunal. The EBTs used failed to convince that they were anything else than a tax dodge. It is best hope that some compromise figure can be reached through this tribunal as opposed to the sum HMRC are claiming. This payback is what will then need to be factored in to the future operational cost of running of RFC. That is why it is dificult to fix any sale of the club until tribunal has settled. Don't think the press or majority of fans seem to have really grasped this yet.
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It doesn't matter where i get my info from, as like everything else that you don't like to hear, you pass off as timmy lies, so it would serve no purpose informing you.
i will say though, that i don't get my information from websites or newspapers, although RTC is usually bang on the money
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Don't talk pash, how do you know rangers have lost the case eh? Go for a walk mate cos you clearly need fresh air! nobody knows, only judges themselves! so i advise everybody to stop posting rangers lost the tax case once again cos NOBODY knows! ed? is it a good sign or bad sign for the fact that how long this tax case has been goin on for this long? could it be the fact that HMRC don't have enough evidence for it or somethin? {Ed001's Note - impossible to say unless you are involved in the case. It is all speculation that is left to the rest of us.}
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Paulrfc (in administration) i was just reminding him that bigots will be ignored. there were a couple of his posts on the 18th about Neil Lennon, that unsurprisingly have been deleted, why he is still able to post? you'd have to ask the ed on that
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For crying out loud!
the court case is to establish how much rangers have to pay...end of!
surely to god at least one of you bears out there understands these tribunals? and if you don't understand how they work, then stop saying they haven't lost their case
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20 Feb 2012 17:19:56
Just thought i'd say thought the team were a disgrace on Saturday. The fans were amazing creating an atmosphere that any player would be proud to play in. Not this lot who have turned Ibrox into an easy place to come and get points. I know all the stuff that's going on could be used as an excuse but they still had a job to do and were getting(well) paid for it. God help us if that's the fighting spirit to get us out of admin!
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They were all a yard slow, Killie were always that step ahead - So sad
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Guys Celtic fan here... I thought the players let ally down on Saturday ..Thought they would have put a better performance in for him and the fans. .
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A thought we played ok but the ref was a w@nk, we would have beaten killie tbh, better than the game at rugby park guys.
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A was at the game, and supported them. But I would thank you not slag the team then applause us for our support, it's a but contradicting on our part. They were fkn hard done by. The only person that was a disgrace is the ref.
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Dtp89, am i right in saying that we won that game and basically got cheated in a way? the 4th offical and the ref was against us, there was no foul on the keeper when big jig scored and healy wasn't offside but big jig was lol unbelievable. a was watchin the game on the internet and i takexmy hat off to you and the rest of the fans that were their atmosphere sounded electric mate, Loyal Lad
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Try going.you might like it
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Yip buddy, was a fkn shame for the players. Good guy for been loyal.
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20 Feb 2012 17:15:41
Right fellow bears lets have some reallistic suggestions off who might take the club off the sh@te knight, there must be someone out there that can see when the tax case etc are sorted out that the gers are a good prospect if run correctly...billy the bear...
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A consortium with souness heading it would be interesting.... But honestly mate anyone but shyte will be a starting point for us. PaulRFC
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Paul RFC - just what do you Rangers supporters not get. Anyone but Whyte. So you'd accept someone more dodgy that Whyte? It is exactly this sort of attitude that allowed Whyte to take the absolute p1ss.
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Rangers supporters are hillarious. A consortium headed by Souness. WHY?
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Celtic supporters are hilarious, always on this Rangers page... WHY ?
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20 Feb 2012 16:31:29
right lads not on to gloat,so try this scenario, who would be against the idea that whyte might, just might, do a fergus mcann? in that he lets the club go through the admin thing clears the debt then walks into the sun with a tidy profit (& before I get shot down I know wee fergus never let celtic go to admin!) but whyte takes a nice profit then sells uo etc, dont think anyone would have any qualms,but please please dont anyone say that this guy is a bear at heart as he's a bussinesman where money is king!
& the only thing that drives this guy is not rangers, celtic or partick,£££££££££££££££££££ if he was to do that in 15/20 years time people would be saying CRAIG WHO?
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He's been brought in to clear debt (by administration) from the start. No doubt about it.
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20 Feb 2012 15:56:27
Can anyone please tell me why the heck mccoist plays papac at CM sometimes, totally baffling!
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No idea, but he got it all wrong, what is our problem with playing players out of position ?
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Who cares, sasa is gone in 11 weeks and the football is insignificant at the moment, we need to focus on damage limitation and coming out the other side stronger!*ksd*
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20 Feb 2012 15:54:07
For every high there's a low
For every disappointment
There's sheer joy
We have through far
Worse periods in our history
And whatever does not kill us
Will surely make us stronger
It is easy to stand strong
When the champagne is flowing
The real measure of a rangers fan
Is to be found in times of adversity
Success ,results,managers,owners&players
All come and go from decade to decade
But being a rangers fan is for life
We are ever present constant
In the rangers clubs existence
We are it's blood and it's heart
It's living breathing heartbeat
From cradle to grave
Win,loose or draw
I am a rangers supporter
I was born a rangers supporter
I will live as a rangers supporter
And I will die a rangers supporter
In the meantime it is a honour
And my great privilege
To be part of the greatest
And most unique football institution
Anywhere in the world
And that's why we are the people
That's why I am a proud bear
Teach this statement to your children
And your grandchildren
Rangers football club are for life
No matter what follow follow
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Well said this is our club
i take it the smelltic glory hunters are reading this too judging by the unbelivable tally ?
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20 Feb 2012 15:35:05
whyte put 250k of our money into another club but doesnt even pay his tax or let us get any players in this man is a disscrace to rangers football club
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20 Feb 2012 15:25:35
The Big Question?
Can Rangers Fc (IN ADMINISTRATION)
stay above Motherwell Fc in the
SPL? Debate! Timalloy
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And why does this affect you?
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Dear Timalloy what is wrong with you this is the most sensible thing you have ever posted, is it because the ed's were not posting your usual drivel & you couldn't bear being away from us glad you are back
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Another Big Question.
How many players will Celtic get rid off in the summer?After all wee Neilly and every Celtic {expert on here} telling us how world class they are.
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Honestly mate i dont know, if our future aint sorted soon , on sat u could see the players were all over the place . as u would expect, and i know people say big crowd helps it does but not knowing if u have a job next week,,,, craig+babybear just an honest answer
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Is that really the big question?? Don t think so, the question whether the club will survive may be a little bigger.
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Paulo dicanio on ssn sayin celtics title win this season can not be seen as a real title , thats comin fae wan of yir own timaloy , get yir complaints in tae fifa , euafa ,and tell them you want somethin done about him , am sure theyl kno who you are tedbear
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!. yes we currently are and can continue doing so.
2. can you stay off our page?
EKger
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Just a little question - were the players playing for nothing on Sat. many of us have had to work under the threat of redundancy but have to get on with it anjd play the bills
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Free country ya nugget?
Cb
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No they were paid, next wage is looking scearce though.
Ps... Shut up timalloy
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20 Feb 2012 14:43:40
i think walter is on his way back from the states to help ally through this "walter and allys blue and white army"
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If walter was 2 come back 2 RANGERS I would like 2 see him as a director if new owners took over, I know there would be a clamour for john greig 2 be back on board but I would rather have Sandy Jardine, people speak highly of Sandy within IBROX, I think if these 2 were 2 be on the board things would be far more open to the fans as they would relate 2 us better
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Oh dear.
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Good shout there mate.every club should do more to communicate with the fans,more so our clubs.and i dont just mean in difficult times.artybhoy
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Artybhoy bang on you see I always said that martin bain was only ever in the papers if something good was happening at IBROX,on the sandy jardine bit I know that when our fans were getting battered from pillar 2 post he was the only 1 who stuck up for us, perma tan crawled under the nearest table & also heard the other day sandy asked Mr Whyte a few quetions on behalf of the staff that Mr lower than a snakes baws couldn't answer in fact if there was any1 I would lke 2 be left in a room with the s**tehawk it would be sandy
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20 Feb 2012 14:39:45
if rangers win this tax case would we be within our rights to sue for defamation of character? i believe we should be, we should take the daily record to the cleaners!!
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If we win, HMRC would be liable for all costs and we would recoup the lawyers fees which could be substantial
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Okay, what has the Daily Record said in relation to the tax case that is deflamitory.
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The tax case was lost. the first tier tax tribunal was set up because rangers were appealing the decision. the tribunal was not to determine whether rangers are liable for the debt but rather how much they are liable for.
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Lol what a dreamer lolololol
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Unnamed poster on tax case being lost is correct,, and if you dont believe it i would advise a google on what a first tier tribunal on taxes ,for those who chose not to google ,,,its an appeal on a decision already made and as your club handed in roughly 1700 pages of evidence its your club appealing the decision/judgement already made
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Lubo,
I'm a celtic fan and my i enjoy your banter but cant agree with you there,
"First–tier Tribunal (Tax) hears appeals against decisions relating to tax made by Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC)"
All this means is that HMRC have made a decision, HMRC can make any decision they want, such as Harry Redknapp but there has to be an appeal process either through tribunal or court.
This case is not lost simply because it is at the tribunal, it may be lost for other reasons but not as we know it yet until the decision is released.
IF Rangers badly administered the scheme then i doubt this is a test case, test cases hinge on points of law, if Rangers administered the tax scheme correctly then it may be a test case to see if PAYE/NIC due at the point of the contribution to the EBT and that is not a clear answer. Cases such as Dextra and Sempra say no, but HMRC just won a case that put PAYE and NIC on dividends so i dont think there is a simple, known answer, out there.
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Nevis
If im wrong im big enough to hold up my hands and apologise to anyone on here
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Ed, when you edit my post from CAPITALS to lower case, at least get the spelling correct.
loud and clear lol {Ed001's Note - all it does is change the whole post into lower case, any mistakes are your own I am afraid.}
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20 Feb 2012 14:28:18
rangers are recruiting caterers/kitchen staff on gumtree website. would they do this if cut backs are supposed to be happening.
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Possibly as it is FREE to advertise on gumtree.
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Maybe needing someone who knows how to cook the books,lol
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Have you ever sold anything on gumtree? It takes an age to get delisted sometimes months! Maybe this is the case with the job vacancies you mention
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Gumtree lolol well well youve come a long way rangers lol
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Azure are hired to do the food so they employe ppl in there company
andy gray
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Yes this is correct azure run catering at ibrox and was one of david murrays companys about 10 years ago
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20 Feb 2012 14:21:25
Got this sent from a Smeltic pal...
A pound coin was thrown onto the pitch at Ibrox this weekend. Police are trying to determine whether it was a missile or a take over bid...
Even I had to laff at that one!
BB
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Defamation...lol...would that be for the vat you haven't paid...whatever amount of unpayed taxes....loan of season ticket monies....money owing to other clubs.....fraud...need I go on
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Hilarious
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Yes defamation! if our club is cleared of this then we have wrongly been embarrassed! away and read a dictionary ya dunderheed
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So yous have payed your taxes then ? ie £9m from last 9 months , yous have been paying your ways ? wake up and smell the coffee ya nugget , the papers and media are not guilty of defamation , Rangers are guilty of not paying .
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20 Feb 2012 13:50:44
Great picture of Grantown Bears leaving a calling card at Craig Whyte's house.
https://twitter.com/#!/screebs69/status/171174103196237824/photo/1
Looks like the self proclaimed billionaire is however hiding out in London (don't blame him.) Any Belgravia bears inspired by Grantown may be interested in:
All public access info ed. {Ed001's Note - then other people can look it up for themselves, but I am not going to put it up here.}
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20 Feb 2012 13:27:54
Is it just me or has every Celtic fan in last seven days obtained a business or law degree? They all seem to know more than whats happening at our great club than the administrators or solicitors do. Suppose that’s the only thing Rangers and Celtic fans have in common, they are both obsessed with Rangers!!
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Try the last seven months and you may come close !!...... They are so desperate for Rangers to cease to exist it is beyond belief.Their hate for all things Rangers is greater than their love for their own club. They want to have a party, well when Rangers come out of this at the other end, I'm having a party and F*****G jelly and ice cream WON'T be allowed !! AGer63
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Same old drivel .if you had listened to the celtic fans you might have stopped whyte taking you to the cleaners
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I dont want to see you go out the box. I am just enjoying your current state. A few years of misery will do for me. Bottom 6 finish would be great.
Everyone could see how your Whyte Knight was never going to help you. He is in it for himself from day 1.
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Where did you get yer law degree danny? and yer inside information on whyte? it amazes me how interested you all are in rangers! you's septic fans seem to know more than the administrators! maybe you should apply for a job with them and get the job done right!
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Rangers fans have been in total denial about the financial position at Rangers for many months. Perhaps if you had heeded the warnings you were given, your club would not be in this mess.
But of course you just couldn't accept that Celtic fans were right could you.
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Ian(For every £1 Dermott Demond gives you to spend.......)
yeah yeah yeah and the rest.
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We just all went to better schools than you lot,artybhoy
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Haha thinkin their smart, hmmm ket mexjump in there artybhoy, you say. if we listened at the beginning we wouldn't be in this mess? hah you couldn't be anymore wrong! if davie murray didny sell he him self would have had us in administration! it was a plan, he doesn't want to tske the heed so he sells us to craig shyte and he takes the rap for puttin us in admin, so don't flatter yourselves septic fans!
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20 Feb 2012 13:13:43
I for one am totally sick of all the stick Broadfoot takes on here and basically anywhere Rangers are mentioned. Yes he has his limits but he is by no way the worst player in the world, always gives 100% and in my opinion should be one of the first names on the teamsheet.
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Has his moments personally rate him on par with goian as hes nothing special back four should be : whitaker perry bocanegra papac imo.
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Sold himself for the Killie goal Magoo !!!
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Broadfoot wouldnt be in my first 11 in my wee girls team.
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He doesnt look good if low confidence but short memories he was an ever present in our 10 men behind ball walter tactic to uefa final we were boring but got results and i remember he played his part .... i always support ANYONE in the teams colours from ginger mo to amo to clubfoot as they are rangers players simplzzzz
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He's better than Wallace.
Not that it says much, but he is.
BR
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Exactly be it Healy, Kerkar or the cookie monster (unrealistic target i know) i will support them if they play for Rangers
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20 Feb 2012 13:12:51
Hi ed a hear ally is going to appeal. For coisan that can't be right if admi are going to cut playing staff no dought it be you boys we could keep the young boys for get about coisan hear the last time he could not wait to get away if they do appeal their is something very wrong it's a lot worst than what we have been told ..kenny the prod {Ed001's Note - it does seem a strange thing to do, surely it would be better to get on with what he has?}
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20 Feb 2012 13:12:01
richard gough u were a good sevant to rangers but dont slag the supporters 4 leaving 10 minutes before times up u only show when u get paid tv appearance money and sit snd get treated like a king why some show up 3 hours before kick of in freezing and wet conditions every week and pay £800 for 2 season tickets to vent our anger and disgust at the way whyte and murray robbed our club.
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20 Feb 2012 12:51:08
Don't know if this has been posted b4, rin gattuso has came out and said he will play for nothing to peove his fitness. Wee ally should be on the phone. Billy the bear
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You can't sign anyone whilst in administration, Cousins paperwork was applied before it happened and the SFA still rejected it.
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I read he will play for ac milan for free
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Big Joe Jordan might breeze our training ground for a square go?
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20 Feb 2012 12:49:25
It shows how bad the SPL is when only 4 players in the Scotland play in it.
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Yes because england rape us of our players
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Off the top off my head i could name 3 player who should be in the squad
McKay-smith Russell and templeton
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They don't rape us, the players go down to England willingly, for a better league and more money........ the players choice !
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It's the players choice, but the fee thy pay for the players up here is laughable!
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20 Feb 2012 12:26:37
Anyone else reckon if we were in the EPL we would be champions league contenders? (obv within a certain timeframe) i think we would, we would be as big as Man Utd
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Lmfao. Maybe if Bill Gates bankrolls you and is willing to lose a fortune due to unsound financial strategies.
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Choose life! ffs hawhaw
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20 Feb 2012 12:19:24
1994-ceptic have a match attendance of 10,000 as they plunge into administration(their season average 22,759) on saturday ibrox was a sellout as we don't do walking away watp we will follow on
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They were not in administration check before you print
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Most of un walked away rather early on Saturday was mostly killie fans left the last 15 mins
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Celtic never went into administration
i pro jordan
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Sorry to burst your bubble but Celtic never went into administration.
The Bank of Scotland informed Celtic that it was calling in the receivers on Thursday 3 March 1994 as a result of exceeding a £5 million overdraft. However, expatriate businessman Fergus McCann wrested control of the club, and ousted the family dynasties which had controlled Celtic since its foundation. According to media reports, McCann took over the club minutes before it was to be declared bankrupt.
In order to alleviate the club's considerable financial debt, McCann reconstituted the then privately owned Celtic Football & Athletic Company Limited as a public limited company - Celtic PLC - resulting in one of the most successful stock market flotations in British financial history. The share issue generated £14 million and saw the redevelopment of Celtic Park into a 60,832 all-seater stadium. During this period, Lou Macari was sacked by McCann and replaced by former Celtic player Tommy Burns, who restored a more attacking style of play.
Ian(For every £1 Celtic spend Rangers will pay 10p to their creditors) {Ed001's Note - if your sign off continues to contain words that could cause legal issues I will delete everything you post. I am not going to sit here and continue to waste my time editing out your libellous and defamatory and quite frankly unfunny rubbish.}
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The real impact of administration has not even begun to kick in so can start to see attendances dropping in the very near future.
If you think you'll see anywhere near a full house in the coming weeks then you are sadly mistaken.
On a side note, is administration what it takes for rangers to get a full house, why not a full house for every home game?
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Come on Ed a bit touchy there a polite please do not add that last statement would have been enough.
Ian(For every £1 Celtic spend Rangers will pay 10p to their creditors) {Ed001's Note - nothing touchy about it, you shouldn't have been so stupid as to make accusations on a public website.}
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Admin in this case is a red herring. The poster's stats about your crowd are the point. He was referring to heading towards admin, as you lot well know but jumped on the wrong interpretation, as per.
Do you want to comment on the attendance stats?
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Was that all they attendances that were 50k but the board claimed it was 25k haha. 25k tickets at £10 pop and your board were robbing 1/4 m every home game and use lot have the cheek to complain about us. double standards springs to mind
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20 Feb 2012 12:04:49
Well done to the (Green) and Whyte Knight.
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20 Feb 2012 12:02:57
in the face of adversity we have stood tall. I must admit i have never been prouder to be a rangers fan than i was on saturday..absolutly fantastic support for the team. Long may it continue. As for the result, dissapointing, but never mind. i would also like to say to any1 who is on here saying ally aint up to the job..shut up. He is 1 of us, hurting just as much as me and u and he has come out fighting so get behind him and show him the respect he deserves. I'm glad he's the man in our corner fighting for the cause and guiding us through the worst time in our clubs history. if you dont want to pull in the same direction as every1 else do us a favour and f@@k off we dont need voices of discontent, we need voices of SUPPORT.
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You were proud on saturday? That you were outplayed by a team lying 6th in the division? That your sectarian bile could be heard from the stands? Or that your inept manager chose to take off your only fit, recognised striker to bring on a 21year old winger?
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First class
although a disappointing season on the pitch ally's dignified and fighting spirit is second to none and i will support him and the team whenever they take to the field.
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A take it yoy didnae hear your mob singin thei pro ira bile ghen,probably no way yer selective hearin.
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Can someone translate the above post for me ?
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Swings and trundabouts mate,we are no angels,but 4 minutes into yesterdays game and all the IRA songs started.So have a wee think before you start coming on hear,on your high horse and pointin the finger.Get a grip and take the green tinted specs off.
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Its ria songs we sing.Rangers In Adminastration.artybhoy
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No point in telling them they only hear want they want,you should know that by now,no admin,graig whyte,garlar07
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20 Feb 2012 11:27:34
what is wrog with the watp. your beloved club owe money, pay up. should i drive around in my car and not pay insurane or tax on my car? then knock down one of your children, would you be outraged. yes you would. pay up, get your boad to pay up, get whyte to pay up. all you have done so far is to sing bile. turn up at ibrox and insist on change.
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Good bit in the paper today. Celtic fiddling the gate money at the Piggery through the Kelly years. Claiming half full stadium so's to avoid paying tax on the full monies taken. This being the case I await Lemming to come thundering out and demand all trophies are handed back fro that whole era... no? didnt' think so
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The 'boad' will be investigated am sure, however you dont seem to have to much knowledge going on in there. There will be a settlement at the end of all of this, whether it be closure, fine or repayment. We will not get away with out punishment, and we accept this. Dont compare you vauxhall nova to our club. What happens then if you dont pay insurance or tax? you would be fined or taken to court and there would be an outcome, which is what we are all waiting for in this case. Sing bile? Get a grip. You know something if we end up lucky and we come out of this with no charges instead of this you lot stiffed the working joe you lot cheated. It will be the judge was a rangers fan, the tax inspector hates celtic and just wants to get at us. And you know what 'we ARE the people'
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BB. aye the 80`s when celtic had 60,000 fans every home game. pigs could fly in 80`s as well.
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Funny that, Kelly claimed only 22,000 were there for home games. Wonder if the tax man knows...
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Pigs could fly in the 80's they were on pink floyds album cover
NTYABOW
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20 Feb 2012 11:19:10
Dont know how you folks are feeeling about how the administration guys have conducted things so far
I personnally feel theyve been pretty good in terms of the volume and quantity of information they are providing the fans.
Anyone have any thoughts?
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EVERYTHING to date Whyte has planned do you think he would nominate an administrator that he isnt linked to? They are being paid serious money and will cover his ass note they havnt exactly been demanding sight of the 24m plus 15m at begin season plus jelly money AND NOT TO MENTION 9m paye/ni THESE ARE MASSIVE AMOUNTS TO DISSAPEAR a serious administrator would be calling in police
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Nice to hear the truth instead of spin from CW. I just want them to get on with it and bring our club out of this horrible mess. New owner/s is also needed as CW has almost certainly burned his bridges with the fans and SPL , SFA etc. If he doesnt go soon I think hell be pushed anyway. CheltBlue
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So far I think they are doing their job. They will be under immense scrutiny from the other side waiting to pounce on the slightest thing. eg Lennon's Twitter comments about the press conference.
The media coverage is full blown and sotires abound about the money, Iam sure they will be thorough.
With that atmosphere no pressure then.
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20 Feb 2012 11:10:28
why do we want to get cousin in when we dont have anything to play for save the wages and play hemmings or burrows
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If Mccoist want's Cousin and the administrators terminate any players contracts don't you think this is a disgrace.
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If McCoist wins the appeal and brings in Cousin, will he have to say goodbye to the tea ladies, the groundsmen, catering staff or the medical staff himself?
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20 Feb 2012 10:55:18
ED, do you know if Ally is going to appeal
Sasa Papac's red card? {Ed001's Note - not as far as I am aware.}
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Why it was a shocker of a tackle,straight red all day long
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20 Feb 2012 10:52:08
If anyone needs reminding why Ally
isnt the man for the job here it is..
(League)
Home Draws to :
Hearts
St Mirren
St Johnstone
Aberdeen
Home Defeats to:
Killie
Away Defeats to :
Killie
St Mirren
Mhanky Mob
Scottish Cup:
Home Defeat
Dundee U
League Cup :
Away Defeat
Falkirk
Europe :
Knocked out by
Maribor & Malmo...
I'm sorry but i've said it from day 1
he is not the managerial answer for
our club, a rangers legend he is , a manager he
is not. Here's to a new owner & a
new manager.
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Did not realise his record was just as bad,,agree he is a LEGEND and I also agree he is NOT the man for the job,Billy Davis would be my choice for the job,sorry Ally a job at Ibrox maybe as a ambassador would be more suitable to you and stop you losing any more hair.
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Billy Davis? Not sure about that. We need a better youth coaching/scouting set-up as that will be the future from now on. Also some kind of partnership with other clubs to allow young players to gain experience at Ibrox. Allys had his hands tied up till now. If or when its all sorted he'll get a chance but results must follow. CheltBlue
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No manager in their right mind would touch ibrokes at the moment! Ally is only being loyal to rankers.
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Given the stats, yes poor performance. Given the background information that we have available now and with what we are facing I give my support to Ally. He's a Rangers man and we need them in there at this moment.
In comparison to across the city -
Neil Lennon -
caretaker manager March 2010 and then went on to get beat by Ross County in the Scottish Cup.
Runners - up in the league to us.
2010/2011 - Lost 3 v 0 in euro to Braga and out of Chmps Lgue qualifying round.
Received 2 x 4 match touchline bans.
Got beat in League cup by us.
Runners- up in the League to us.
Won Scottish Cup.
By their own admissions their finances are healthy and money made available to spend on transfers. No boardroom struggle.
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He is the ONLY man for the job, literally! Nevermind that no one would be daft enough just now to take it on, he has just what we need right now. A real passion for the club, a drive to get us through this, wether or not you think he has the skills, I think we need his commitment more.
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Braga got to the europa final so i cant see any disgrace by getting beat by them.
as caretaker manager he was left to sort out tony`s mess. he also gave walter a run for his money in his first year as manager.
your team`s finances are not healthy but it did not stop them spending money. big jelly was £4m for a start.
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All the teams above that we have droped points to am 100 percent sure boyd could have won us points in those games without a doubt
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ED - If Ally did leave could RFC appoint another manager while in Admin? - I don't think so. What do you think thanks.
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Re braga.
I am talking Ally's first season in comparison to Lennon's. I was giving him his due by mentioning he was caretaker manager.
The rest of your post is nonsense and excuses. Jelly was signed August 2010. WS in charge.
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Ed001 - thanks for that.
Iam Legend {Ed001's Note - you are welcome.}
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Iam legend and how long was ally under walter`s wing ?
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You should really look it up yourself but Ally was asst manager 2007 I think and Lennon finished playing football and then took up Smeltic coach in 2008. And your point is?
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Iam legend. lennon won a scottish cup, runners up in the league and league cup in his first year. now ally with a lot more experience than you make out after all he was under walter`s wing a long time. what is ally going to win this season?
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Check your stats for the League Cup - muppet.
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Iam legend with you knowing all the stats you think you would be able to tell me what ally is going to win this season without the silly name calling. what age are you? and can you try and act it.
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20 Feb 2012 10:49:27
ed this is totally hypothetical but if ally was to totally lose the plot n the time comes to think of a managerial change, does craig whyte still have the power to make this decision. i firmly believe ally is the best man atm to be in charge but im curious to what input cw would have if this situation ever came about.
j1985 {Ed001's Note - no, he has no power in the company right now, the administrators are running it.}
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He has power he knows where the money is
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20 Feb 2012 09:57:50
........THAT HEARSE........
That hearse, those sick headlines
Us Trod Underfoot
Cracked crests and tombstones
To stick in the boot
Tenners for fivers, casinos and malls
The moonbeams, the taunting
It all still Appalls
Tramps, thieves, thugs, beggars
Our memories are long
Famine and blight, cruelly mocked
That Vile, Vile Song
Slurs on our Icons, a slanderous game
No substance, no basis
Pure libel, No Shame
Dignity Hijacked
Its Essence Demeaned
Delusions of Grandeur
Illicitly Gleaned
Taxes? what Taxes?
That's fine for the rest
Just dont excpect Rangers to pay
To be simply the best
Well the Game's Up
The chickens have come home to roost
There's a Fox in the hen coop
The "people" are Goosed
But don't look for Pity
Those deep scars still Gnaw
The Insults still Rankle
Our wounds, way to Raw
(This poem produced by the good
people @ 25 May 1967)
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Yeah and you lot have never did a thing wrong.
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Whats your view on the Kellys submitting false figures for gate numbers to avoid a higher tax bill...?
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Mince.
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Mince... yup, that about sums up the intellectual Celtic argument
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@BB - no mate you've read it wrong. Iam a bear.
Mince was my reply to Timalloy. I think it's the way the posts are shown.
But certainly during the 60s 70s and 80s CFC used 'estimated attendances' by about 10,000 to 20,000. Common knowledge that they pocketed the money. That's why I've got to laugh at all the tax conscience tims on here. They'll say it was the 'old board' but as F McCann only bought the club and a new club was not formed it remains in CFC history.
Defo not a Tim
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Lol! Sorry Iam Legend... can't think of a worse insult bud! Aye, like most clubs their hate for us shortens their memories and turns them into saints, not to mention tax experts !
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20 Feb 2012 09:00:13
Rangers will win the HMRC case, but HMRC will appeal and will lose. Rangers will NOT have to pay the "monies due" because they aren't due and the EBT's were legal until December 2010. Major clubs around the UK are watching this case and will be relieved when it goes in favour of Rangers. The £18mil used to pay off Llyods was money taken from the sales of the Tickets for the next 4 years, CW hasn't spent a penny of his own money because he has no need to. The tax case decision will benefit Rangers and CW. CW will be forced to sell, which is what he is wanting to happen because he was only ever planning a "hit and run" profit scheme at Rangers. He will make approx £10-20 million in a deal to sell Rangers onto another, more affluent owner who will financially secure Rangers long term.
By the end of spring, Rangers will be owned by someone else and will have won their tax case, the summer transfer window will be a flurry with Rangers activity and a new sense of purpose and drive will be installed, still with Ally at the helm.
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Did Carlsberg write that for you................or hans christian anderson?
So many experts on here, seem to know everything. Time will tell.
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Delusion = A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence.
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:D actually feel sorry for you if you beleive that. DELUDED
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No, my brain wrote that for me because its COMMON SENSE, why people are jumping on the MSM fueled info band wagon surprises me no end. CW knows exactly what he is doing, he is wanting to be portrayed in a "bad light" so that Rangers fans demand he sells...which is what he is relying on. He doesn't want Rangers long term...he cant finance it long term. He already has a buyer, the administrators were chosen by him because they are part of his plan. HMRC wont win, which is obvious too...Rangers are the test case and they wont falter because what they did was perfectly legal. Its the cost of running at a loss that caught out SDM and will catch out CW, that's why its gone into admin, not this bloody Tax Case...
Everyone needs to wake up and turn off the bloody TV and stop reading the tabloids...its all total dis-info!
Jamie
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So why did murray not sell it on to one of these people for a quick buck? 10-20 mill.
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It was a tax case that brought on administration. The non payment of PAYE & VAT to the sum of £9 million.
Whyte is not wanting administration he wants liquidation all debt is then wiped out he gets Ibroke for his outstanding money due to him that he supposedly used to pay Lloyds. He then re-establishes Rangers as Glasgow Rangers and sells this debt free team on for a huge profit. You lose your history keep your stadium and name sort off and he walks away a rich man.
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Ian(For every £1 Dermott Demond gives you to spend....)
Get off the valium.
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Of course he doent want liquidation, no businessman wants liquidation. he wants the administrators "who he chose" and were with him at the beginning of the take over to restructure the debt, which they will have far more ability to do that CW. SDM didnt put the club into admin because of his reputation as a businessman, not to mention his knighthood.
Nothing has changed since CW's take over regarding the tax issue so putting it into admin today as opposed to 9 months ago makes no sense, its not the tax issue (45mil or 9mil) that has forced this issue. The 9mil could still have been paid because the fiscal year isn't up yet.
CW put it into admin for the simple fact that the administrators could restructure and have the leverage to do so. Its shrewd but its his way of clearing debt that he cant afford to do, whilst lining up a club that will be debt free. This is why there is so much interest now. Buyers know that the administrators will restructure and it will become a viable option. CW just wants to make a quick buck.
I'd suspect this is what the previous board were hinting at...don't appoint CW because all he wants to do is make quick cash...buy to sell type of investment.
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And to those of you who say i am deluded, well i ask you....
Am i deluded for forming my own opinion or are you deluded by being forced to believe others who have done nothing but paint Rangers in a bad light for the past year?
We have all seen it, The BBC, the Daily Record...
If anybody is deluded its the ones who cant see the trees for the forest...
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My god your kidding right ? the bbc and record were proved 100% right . fab1
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They WERE not proven right you t*t, the DR and BBC are constantly belittling Rangers and their fans. They both have an agenda against Rangers. All they did was bring to light what any person with half a brain could see...
Which is of course what i wrote above...
As has been revealed by the MSM today, ticketus money used to pay off bank...like i said had happened...
Yawn
Jamie
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20 Feb 2012 08:48:41
If it true about this guy Brian Kennedy keenon buying us he is friends with graeme souness is that's the case a don't think ally will be manager long souness will be manager watp ... Kenny
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20 Feb 2012 08:31:04
More of a request than a rumour, think the ads on the site could be a bit more sensitive to the current situation going on at Ibrox. Why for the past while have hmrc & now more recently now duff & phelts lol.
Just putting it out there as its quite annoying to be honest :) {Ed001's Note - it is because that is what is being discussed, the ads are Google's Adsense, they just look at what is mentioned on the page.}
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I keep getting Asian dating sites... am I missing something? :) CheltBlue {Ed001's Note - maybe your missus should be checking out what sites you visit.....}
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Lucky you! I keep getting "date a granny"!! I'm only fecking 31!!
Dmrangers {Ed001's Note - you never know your luck, she might take her teeth out for you.....}
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20 Feb 2012 08:12:30
Yous all want a sugar daddy. So sad {Ed001's Note - not all, personally I would prefer a nice sugar mummy to keep me in the manner to which I would like to grow accustomed....}
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Is that not what Uncle Desmond is for you lot.
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Remember unlce desmond cant bail them out next season or pay millions on wages for 6 months either. interesting times ahead for the mhanky mob as well. where would use be if he hadnt been bailing use out?
i pro jordan {Ed001's Note - a benefactor can pay a certain amount, something like 45m over the next 3 years, over and above usual profits.}
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20 Feb 2012 05:25:40
Is ally going to appeal sasa papac's red card?
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Can you afford to go that? Rory rovers88
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Why would he? It was a red card offence, studs showing at speed.
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Why, Papac will not play again unless he agrees not to be paid.
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20 Feb 2012 04:30:40
I know this is going to receive some back lash but why is Walter Smith not getting some flak for the current situation.
He spend over £20 million and left us with a aging squad the same scenario as the 90's when Advocaat had to spend money (although it didn't need to be extravagant) to replace the aging squad that Smith left.
I for one foresaw this happening back in 2007/08 season and never renewed my season ticket after Le Guen left. I was always shot down in flames at that time, but I felt for the good of my club in the long term, Smith was not the right direction.
As much as it tears my heart to say 'I told you so', I just wished we would have given Le Guen a first team regular more time to establish a young team, he also wanted to make Charlie Adams a first team regular and get ride of arrogant Captain Marvelous. He never spend millions like previous managers, maybe because he didn't want to build up a huge debt.
It also worries me that this HMRC debt relates to the era when McLeish was brought in to reduce the operating costs and given a measly budget each year (compared to Smith and Advocaat). We hardly spend anything on players in those years. I remember Capucho, Emerson and that useless tall Scandinavian striker. If these guys contributed to the debt then it is even worse.
Very strong rumour is that no wealthy individual will buy into Rangers and that is worrying the administrators. Can you blame anyone really? Firstly you would have to fork out how many millions, and secondly you will probably never see any returns.
Strong rumours are that the fans will have to buy the club out of this debt. So it will be a case of put your money where your mouth is.
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He also wanted to make Charlie Adams a first team regular
but hes pish?
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So you did not renew your season ticket as it was for the good of the club as you could foresee what was going to happen.very good m8 you could not foresee this weeks euro numbers for us
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20 Feb 2012 01:49:27
questions,questions,questions
Why have the rangers been chosen as test case for this?is whyte a tim?if we had advantage economically were the refs not helping us?if gers closed I would not support another team.is there a conspiracy?oh dear,I sound like a ghreener.wasp.co down
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Yip you do. Maybe we were just unlucky or an easy option for the case. Come on Whyte a tim? What does that have to do with anything? Was basile boli..jorg albertz..ivan gennaro gattuso out to ruin us?
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Your right m8 every word you said is true when we are down every body wants to put the boot in we will be back watp
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Bye then you wont be missed,dont expect this to get posted ed ,but what are your thoughts on the offensive singing at the weekend
Dannybhoy {Ed001's Note - my thoughts? My thoughts are that football has a problem, not just Rangers and Celtic. All around the world it is the same, go to almost any Man Utd match and you will hear chants about Munich and airplanes from the opposition. Liverpool fans face songs and chants about Hillsborough and Heysels. Bradford fans tell me similar stories. Football fans seem to have forgotten how to support their own team and spend their time trying to abuse and offend the opposition. When I was a kid, we would gather round trying to come up with new songs for our favourite players, these days people spend their time trying to come up with something nasty for opposition players. I really don't understand it, if abusing the opposition won things, Galatasaray would be the greatest team in history. What bothers the players I know, is when the fans are singing and cheering and egging on the opposition, they believe it really does give them a lift when the crowd are behind them. None of them like a nasty atmosphere, they find it affects concentration as they are always expecting something to kick off.}
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20 Feb 2012 01:42:15
30 Oct 2011 19:41:02
Celtic to offer half price tickets and free nausea tablets to all who attend the remaining games for those who are sick fed up of watching the games free online cos they dont wanna watch that s*** team lol...4 in a row mofos you lot are rank rotten and I hope lemmon keeps bringing the thunder cos its really working wonders for you lot lol...and remember as one leg-end once proclaimed "This Is Only the beginning" lol I hope it is lololol muppets what do you think Ed.....
Tam-Sir 1873 In Jubilant Mood
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I didn't know they allowed computers for patients in Carstairs?
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That post was sh*te! It didn't really offend anyone and you use the abbreviation "lol" to much. Tou actually sound like wee girl. {Ed001's Note - can you not read the date stamps, someone has clearly dragged up an old post from October.}
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20 Feb 2012 00:31:41
ed do you know where that timalloy has went hes not posted any of his crap teasers for quite a while
AndyBear98 {Ed001's Note - he has posted a few of his usual bad jokes, but they had already been posted just before him, so I deleted them rather than have repeats. But he is still about, he has posted a few things on Celtic too.}
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20 Feb 2012 00:13:32
think its time we looked at this from a different perspective. HMRC have had an ongoing witchhunt against football in general for years now, not just us although i agree at the moment it feels that way it is rumoured that a lot of top clubs down south used EBT's until they were declared illegal, and i have no doubt the taxman will be knocking at their doors IF they win case against rangers. As for the gloating mhankey mob on here i haven't heard any statements from liewell saying that your mob didn't use EBTs. so would have to assume thatt your club did use them too. so maybe its time for you lot to start s**ting yourselves lol. remember what goes around comes around.
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Tubeboy, the reason your lot are going to lose the tax case is because of letters advising the players on the EBT's that they do not have to pay anything back, which is tax EVASION, which is illegal. so don't start spouting off about things you know nothing about
Celtic have also said on numerous occasions, that yes, EBT's were an attractive proposition, but our chairman at the time, ex Bank of England chairman Brian Quinn, knew the implications of going down that road and chose not to follow, and instead pay tax in the correct and legal manner
indeed, what goes around comes around, and aren't you lot suffering for it now lol!
watp
taco {Ed001's Note - isn't the whole point that there is no proof of these letters? Because if they truly existed, and HMRC had proof of their existence, this case would have been done and dusted by now surely?}
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Celtic used two,Hearts and Hibs used one but all three clubs decided against it.Celtics decision came about after ex Bank of England chairman Brian Quinn took over.He knew they were a bad idea and decided to pay the tax for the two that were taken out.So everything has been above board.
Jungle Bhoy.
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Celtic didn't use ebt's
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19 Feb 2012 23:48:16
sad week in our history but we will be back and i would urge every rangers man to remember that times of prosperity make you fortunate times of adversity make you GREAT and we will be.
billyboy
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19 Feb 2012 23:40:58
An Egyption kazillionaire has come forward to buy Rangers.
He had made his money from constructing super yachts for
very rich oil tycoons.
He's going to re-name it Denial FC
GoldCoastBhoy
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