Rangers Banter Archive July 20 2015

 

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20 Jul 2015 21:37:10
1 mill gets Allan. Over to you Mr King

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20 Jul 2015 22:16:28
I've been of the opinion that Hibs would be better taking some money now and not waiting a year to get £zippo.
However there is a lot of noise coming from Easter Road about doing a Hearts this season and avoiding the Russian Roulette of the play-offs.
So part of the equation will be how much more per season do the Hib's directors think they will receive by securing promotion by the 100% route? And how likely are they to do that without one of their better players?
I would like Allan at Ibrox he is a smashing young local lad and could cope with the stress of playing in front of the bears. I doubt we will pay £1million (for anyone) but is it worth more to Hibs to keep him?

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21 Jul 2015 05:51:14
Absolutely no chance would I pay 1 million for Allan, would rather wait until next May and get him for nothing if indeed he wants to come to our club and not head back to England.

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21 Jul 2015 08:39:00
I reckon £500K plus addons is more likely what will be agreed. Maybe 15% sell on or something along those lines. The thing is if Rangers bid £500K and Allan bangs in a transfer request Hibs the decision becomes more difficult for Hibs. Same happened with Naismith when we bought him from Killie, Killie rejected the offer, Naismith slapped in a transfer request and waived his sign on fee to ensure the move happened.

Hibs are unsubtainable at their current level, they have over invested in their squad, if they don't go up this year it will be 3 years without SPL revenue. Rod Petrie will be touching cloth with the prospect that failure to be promoted could send them back to the dark ages. Hibs had only 9000 season ticket holders last season, its said to be up 10% this year but 9900 season ticket sales with limited TV money and sponsorship. Their wage bill is £102,199 a week their up jobbie creek without a paddle. There is no way they can afford to reject a half decent offer for a player who could walk away for nothing.

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21 Jul 2015 08:40:16
Maybe we should offer £350,000 and Dean Shiels, he was previously a Hibbie he is a very good player but has failed to bed in consistantly. Obviously it be down to whether Stubbs would want him.

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21 Jul 2015 10:00:14
I'd keep Shiels. I think he can still do a job behind the strikers. I feel he hasn't really been given a chance

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20 Jul 2015 20:57:59
Don't know much about the boys we've signed but got to be better than the rubbish we had last season. Welcome to the family boys and enjoy the ride watp

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20 Jul 2015 20:56:16
Last post about my mates mates aunt was a bit of a laugh 😂 but in all honesty I do think that the team we have plus another 2 or 3 additions now or in January would be fighting for the league title next year. We are the people. Cheers ed for posting lol

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20 Jul 2015 21:47:31
Fighting for the league title next year! I'm assuming use are missing out on coming up to the big league then and your talking about the championship next year? Do u seriously think buying 3 Wigan rejects and and a hearts captain who took 2 spankings off the champs last year will havin u challenging us next season? Behave urself pal!

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20 Jul 2015 22:44:43
D**k head 88, you give yourselves too much credit. The signings we have made, plus a couple more before deadline day, then two transfer windows until the prem is more than enough to challenge in that league. Our quality isn't the highest but you really have to look at how the quality of your team as dropped in the past 3 years

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21 Jul 2015 00:32:53
Hahahahaa we aren't signing players of a worse standard to celtic mate. You sign Manchester United youth team rejects, randoms from dundee utd and a guy from man city who hasn't kicked a ball for years who no one has heard off, your best player Griffiths couldn't get a game in England league one last season our signings would have played in league one this season if not the championship.

Now I'm not for a second saying we are better than you because we aren't. I'm merely stating that with a strikeforce of chifcho and Griffiths, a midfield of "broony" and the guy from Israel and a defence of mulgrew and the boy from Honduras who can't defend. It won't take aslong or as much money as you think to challenge you.

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21 Jul 2015 03:46:50
Dh most of that Celtic team didn't exactly come from top teams Forster as an example was a Newcastle reject now look at him another example in Adam Matthews was just a squad player at Cardiff now playing in the premier league and playing regularly for Wales have a look at where your own players came from before you try to laugh about ours

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21 Jul 2015 08:41:51
Lets start with Jamesmac! The signings uve made and a couple more will be more than enough to challenge for the premiership! Use actually believe that don't u! Are u having a laugh! Like I said 3 Wigan rejects and a guy who captained hearts to a spanking from the champs last season! Add eustace,a guy who nobody wants down there and is in his mid 30s! Who still hasn't signed for u by the way! After how many weeks is that? God that's got us shaking in our boots! And the quality of our team has dropped,no doubt it.but it doesn't have to be what it was because there's no one there to challenge! And if by some miracle use scrape together some money to attempt a challenge then the champs will deal with it accordingly! And StuartAC name me one player we've signed who got relegated to league one last season? Manchester United have just went and bought the Italian teams no1 right back,so janko seen his chances limited! Boyata has kompany demechlis(who played in last years World Cup final by the way) and mangala who cost 30 million in front of him! Yeh that sounds just like the rejects use have got! And how is ciftci random? Was he not dundee Utd top goalscorer? And he not score against use when they gubbed u? And let's not even go on to broony! The captain of the champs and Scotland who had your whole midfield in his back pocket in February! And they call me the d**k head hahahaha

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21 Jul 2015 09:45:27
Buying pkayers from championship/league one is of a higher standard to the SPL and the premiership reserve leagues mate. Again, I'm not saying they are better players than yours but atleast 2 out of the 4 pkayers we signed had solid interest and offers from established championship sides. Your new full back from the Manchester United youth team went on loan to Bolton last season, played a handful of games and they didn't want him back. As for ciftco he failed in the English lower leagues, yes he scored against us a couple of years ago but from that team we will have one player in our starting 11 this season (lee wallace).
As I said we aren't better than you, we would be daft to think we were but going through your squad it will not take millions to be on par. If you think Griffiths and ciftco us a strikeforce that will install fear in to opponents you are sadly mistaken.

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21 Jul 2015 11:20:38
Sum valid points mate,but the point I'm making is this belief that the players uve signed and even a few more will get u anywhere near us is pure fantasy! I know use have got to look on the bright side and of course your going to big up these guys! But like I've said,if we had to invest heavily on our squad we could! Can u say the same? But we don't have to spend big to dominate in this country! And it will be that way for a few years yet.i honestly look forward to your challenge next year if use make it up,but I can't even see use being near Aberdeen never mind the champs!

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21 Jul 2015 11:34:04
Guys if you are going to talk s***e at least have a small amount of fact behind it , Griffiths played 22 games scored 14 goals and missed only one league game before joining Celtic in the January, hardly the actions of someone who " couldn't get a game " , who told you he couldn't get a game Charlie green?

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21 Jul 2015 13:44:15
Celtic can invest heavily if need be? If this is the case I'd be absolutely raging if I was a celtic fan and my board was only releasing funds for ciftci as our main man to get us into the champions league.
you aren't investing in the playing squad because Lawwell knows that losing £10 million a season with no rangers in the league (his words) and losing approx £15 million last season with no champions league and the potential to lose a similar amount this season if you fail to qualify again.
I have no doubt that not every player we sign will be a huge success but at the same time if we invest in the playing squad wisely over the next 3 transfer windows I'm sure we can bring in enough players who are of a similar standard to the players you currently have over at celtic park mainly because the standard you have other than one or two is rank rotten, like most celtic fans you can surely admit that.

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21 Jul 2015 16:29:33
But that's the difference pal,ur not a Celtic fan! And the 1.5 million while not being a massive amount is more than use will spend in this whole window! And no I'm not raging at all! Would I love to see us spend big money on players,course I would! But like I've said in my other posts,we don't need to! What we've got will win the league and one or more cups quite comfortably! And it will do for a good few years to come! And yes we would love to get in the CL,and I'll be gutted if we don't! But it won't make winning the league and cups for many years to come any less satisfying! And I don't know what Celtic fans u talk to but none I know think our teams rank rotten! Brown Gordon GMS Armstrong VVD lustig Johannsen biton commons! I'm sure that's more than one or two use would love to have buddy!

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21 Jul 2015 22:50:06
Armstrong and johansen are the only two from that list I rate highly. You conceded a silly amount of goals last season in europe with Gordon and VVD at fault for a few. Your only decent defender in my opinion was denayer.

I work with a few celtic fans mate and the majority are of the same opinion. Your fans have voted with their feet, attendances are lower than they have been for years.

As a celtic fan are you happy with watching bog standard players win a piss poor league in first gear with no serious European football to look forward?

We don't have to spend 1.5 million, who's to say waghorn for example isn't better than ciftci? Mind ciftci only scored 1 goal In his last 18 games from open play, waghorn had a better record than that in the English championship which is a far superior league to the spl.

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20 Jul 2015 20:46:30
2 more decent signings in the bag. Any1 else think that holt and eustice may be the last of the signings?

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20 Jul 2015 21:55:36
Holt and eustace would do us fine but bringing in Allan on top of that would make the league almost a certainty this season would be a key player for us if we went for him

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20 Jul 2015 22:18:32
If either one of them comes in or both, I can see Law leaving.Not that I'm bothered.

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20 Jul 2015 18:55:49
Welcome to rangers Waghorn and Tavernier!

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20 Jul 2015 20:13:23
Happy days onwards and upwards

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20 Jul 2015 21:08:22
Welcome
To the most succesful club in the world , Follow Follow!

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20 Jul 2015 21:17:19
Its all starting to come together 433 foderingham wallace kiernan wilson tavernier halliday hot eustace law/murdoch templeton eaghorn/clark and there's a half decent youth player to fight for most of these position too. i'm happy with that but would like one more attacking mid. We also need to remember there will be more transfer windows and I reckon the championship looks easier to win this season without hearts if i'm honest. and without ally

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20 Jul 2015 21:57:03
Huey the purpose of a 4-3-3 is to play with 2 wingers there's only one listed there with law on the other side which is diabolical

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20 Jul 2015 23:35:46
I was thinking halliday left wing templeton/mckay/aird/sheilds could play,with attacking creative players 433 doesn't need to be wingers,given a different system and an actual manager for the first time in years some of last seasons players might surprise us

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20 Jul 2015 14:30:06
Not transfer related more on the agenda on why Sky Sports has given Scottish football around 1/8 TV deal of what it should be given!

Many Sky pundits or the guys behind the scenes are going to disagree with this statement but really at the back of their minds they know fine well, that we get pennies from behind the couch in comparisons to the luxurious deals English football receive! It's disgusting!

Many can argue, that Sky has an actual fact killed the game north of the border in economical terms, yes it's true The men behind the scenes have a stranglehold and can say, well without us your fed! which is a massive shame, if truth to be told!

Sky doesn't want the football to flourish on both sides of the border as it may be to much expenditure (over their budget)

Pity that, because it would make British football even better!

Scottish football deserves a bit better deal than the current one with Sky, there has to be alternative avenues with other broadcasters in the next three years to tap into to improve our game financially

If Scottish football can get the structure right then your looking at least 35m annually (105m over 3year contract) to start off, which is modest, this will allow a massive opportunity for growth and improvements afterwards (something Sky are not prepared to do for our game)

By today, we should've had a deal of at least 500m over three years if down south are getting an estimate of 5b over three years (You can only "dream" for that kind of TV deal up North) May never happen now!

Let's just say, Scottish football needs to be restructured to the best way possible as 12 teams playing each other 4 times a year exc. Cup games are really getting laborious, to say the least!

If we've to restructure in some way, this of course from bottom tiers up to the Elite has to be of benefit financially, straight away!

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{Ed001's Note - Sky pays what they pay to do with how much difference it makes to their subscriber base. They have no interest in holding down Scottish football, it is just worth very little to them. If you get people around the world actually wanting to watch the product, then Sky will pay because they will make money off it. These conspiracy theories are just plain idiotic, and show a complete lack of any kind of business sense whatsoever. I can't stand Sly but what they want is not to hold down the price of Scottish football, it is just of no interest to most of the world, so they can't sell the product.}

20 Jul 2015 15:29:23
100% correct Ed, and if it was not for the pulling power of us it would be much worse.

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20 Jul 2015 16:53:13
Its down to us to put our own house in order,Kaz from grass roots level.We need to produce a better product to get Sky more interested in it.Nobody is going to save our game.

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20 Jul 2015 17:56:28
Pulling power of us??Enlighten please.

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20 Jul 2015 20:19:00
I worked for Sky for over 12 years and was privy to a lot of things that we're going to happen. When BSkyB first signed the deal with Setanta for Scottish football, they paid the majority of the fee on the understanding BSkyB got the rights to all old firm matches and the pick of all other games, which was usually Rangers or Celtic away! That is all they are still interested in.

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20 Jul 2015 20:41:27
If you do not realise that recent tv deals only went ahead because our games were televised, even in lower divisions, then it is more than enlightened you need.

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20 Jul 2015 20:46:33
Steffantos
Rangers are still the biggest draw in Scotland. Fact! Live with it

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20 Jul 2015 21:05:29
Steffantos compared to the top few EPL clubs we are probably small beer nowadays but both of the clubs formerly called the Old Firm create a lot of interest in this small country if not too much further afield.
I was reading a BBC article about the first helicopter sunday when Celtic traveled to Rugby Park and a very impressive 425,000 television sets were tuned into BBC 2 to see the outcome of that game. On the same day and at the same time 715,000 television sets were tuned into BBC1 to watch Rangers beat Dunfermline and win another league title.
Perhaps that is what billyb is talking about?

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20 Jul 2015 21:31:15
We just aren't good enough to be able to negotiate a good deal, there's only a handful of leagues that actually get much real coverage. I think we should just accept that non european tv money isn't going to be a major income stream in scotland and focus on what we can do.We need to get ashley out still,that would be a nice show of backing for dk to just buy him out,accept the loss

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21 Jul 2015 13:11:24
kaz that's bunkum at the start we had good deal from sky when they took over from b s b scotland would have been one of first for televised live games thengreed set in we rejected the sky deaal for setanta although rangers celtic and aberdeen wanted to stay with sky but rest oppted to go with setanta and the rest is history we had to crawl back to sky for a pittance

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20 Jul 2015 14:14:33
I think while we seem to be taking some of Wigan's players from them we should look into Aaron Taylor-Sinclair that they got a year ago from Patrick Thistle, he's not even made a appearance for Wigan in a year, looked a good full back at Partick so would be really good cover for both sides of fullback plus he's only around 24 so he's still relatively young

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20 Jul 2015 16:23:53
He just signed with Doncaster I think

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{Ed039's Note - Signed for Doncaster today)

20 Jul 2015 17:51:15
Shame would of been a good signing for cover purposes any idea what the fee was?

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20 Jul 2015 20:20:17
I think Warburton would rather go with one of our own boys as cover.

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20 Jul 2015 13:31:11
Any Cyprus based bears know where I can watch Rangers v Hibs on Sat? Ideally somewhere in/near Polis or Latchi but could drive into Paphos if required.

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20 Jul 2015 15:41:07
its on bbcalba mate, so if anywhere or anybody over there has virgin or sky,they should be able to get it on. 12:30pm kick off it is!

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20 Jul 2015 16:25:00
If you have wifi available you can stream bbc alba live on the iplayer app

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{Ed039's Note - You can only stream bbc iplayer with a UK IP address, wouldnt work in Cyprus)

20 Jul 2015 18:58:22
Cheers ed didn't know that, sorry bay couldn't help you out mate hope you catch the game

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20 Jul 2015 20:27:00
You need to use a VpN to spoof a UK IP address then you can

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20 Jul 2015 20:32:35
You need to instal a VPN service on your device which will allow you to spoof the system into thinking you're actually in the UK

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20 Jul 2015 23:22:55
Cheers troops,
Think I may have found a wee place in Polis that can get a live stream. Going to try that Vipbox thing forfor the Burnley game on Tuesday too.

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20 Jul 2015 13:26:42
boyd smith moshni big jig foster black hutton daly simosen

Sure people you can't tell me that the players we have brought in are going to be any worse than the rubbish we have let go?

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20 Jul 2015 13:10:49
Wigan Athletic's Martyn Waghorn and James Tavernier will complete their moves to Rangers today for the combined fee of £400,000.

it seems like the team is almost ready for the coming season, potentially 2-3 more signings to come.

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20 Jul 2015 13:08:53
does anyone know if the Burnley game is going to be on RangersTV?

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20 Jul 2015 13:01:42
If we're going for a striker I think Adam Le fondre great eye for a goal he's leaving cardiff

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20 Jul 2015 17:05:58
I was just going to post the same thing. Decent scoring record, available for £500k. Good call.

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20 Jul 2015 12:54:21
Wigans tavernier and waghorn both having Medicals with rangers today. Should be announced as signings by the end of the day. Holt deal basically done. Hearts just holding back on a fee due to not knowing if he's required in their squad next season. Mays agent is wanting a loan deal. Year back up to recover lost form due to not much game time. To return down south feels may should try further career in long run down south, Aberdeen also interested.

Would like to know everyone's overall opinion on the new sighnings. Mixed view overall I've gathered. But what's the feeling on here? Personally think a playmaker and another winger is badly needed.

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20 Jul 2015 13:52:55
Have seen neither and neither has any kind of pedigree but hopefully MW has a nose for a player and can sniff out a value for money player.

Saying that with the money we are spending there will likely be failures but overall with some good management I predict more will shine.

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20 Jul 2015 12:34:21
Not seen much of the two wigan guys, except one is a right back and the other a winger/striker, anyone got info on them?

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20 Jul 2015 13:18:00
James Tavernier, loaned out to Bristol Last year, Made 9 appearances scored 3 goals, the kid seems to have an eye for goal considering he is a defender. Waghorn I believe was used as a sub a lot, scored 8 in 21 as a right winger sometimes as a striker, not too bad really, should score for fun up here.

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20 Jul 2015 13:35:56
Tavernier is a bit of a dead ball specialist. Most of his goals last season were free kicks. That's why he has a decent goal scoring record for a defender. His delivery into the box is very good aswell. Hopefully a good addition

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20 Jul 2015 14:52:18
ScoutExclusive17 with regards to Holt said "Hearts just holding back on a fee due to not knowing if he's required in their squad next season".

If your going to post and make it up as you go along, can you at least check your facts. Holt is free agent. he is not under contract with Hearts. The only stubling block is a development fee. Rangers can proceed and sign him today without Hearts permission and it if Hearts still commanded a development fee it would go to a tribunaral the result of which woul dbe binding.

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20 Jul 2015 11:18:04
Is there any further news regarding Stevie May Haris Vuckic and Scott Allan

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20 Jul 2015 13:22:28
Stevie May doesn't want to come back to Scotland, Warburton seems to have no Interest in Vuckic, and Scott Allan wants to stay at hibs until next summer before hopefully going down south.

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20 Jul 2015 10:52:08
I believe that the Wigan pair are great signings at around £400,000

I don't buy the negativity that these boys aren't good enough because they are coming from the third tier!

First things first, these boys are still quite young and have played most of their career in the Championship (2nd tier)

Technically speaking they are still Championship players as Wigans season in League 1 has not kicked off yet!

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20 Jul 2015 09:10:07
Can I ask all the genuine fans on here this question? Do you really believe Mr Warburton when he says your club will be playing in the CL group stages in 3 (yes only 3 years time) Celtic have at present a combined 5 year coefficient of about 38 points and we have to negotiate 3 qualifiers to reach the groups and we are also seeded. IF Rangers get to CL in 3 years time your coefficient will be almost neglible (at present you have only 4.5 coefficient points and a further 2.05 points come off at end of this season) you will also be unseeded and up against the big teams right away, if you go out in the first game there is no parachute into Europa League, so all your efforts would have come to nothing.
My point is Celtic being seeded in all 3 ties are finding it difficult, so your team, miles behind Celtic, have virtually no chance of group stages for I would say at least 5 years or more, and can you honestly see your team win the SPFL beating not only Celtic but Aberdeen also?

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20 Jul 2015 12:17:39
Sorry am having a laugh to myself here.

Lets hold on a minute, Mark Warburton has to set some goals and if he wants to make statements like that fair enough. I remember Ronny Deila just a season ago saying and I quote "Celtic are too good for the Champions League qualifiers" Then got put out twice. lol. So every manager can say what they want. But its no big deal if they're wrong.

Lets face it after a terrible season it wouldn't seem so. But you never know! ;)

A ball hasn't been kicked for the new season so in my humble opinion no Rangers fan can answer this question as we don't know how good Rangers will do after a total shake up by the new manager.

Signs are good, videos av seem on FB of the under 20s and the first team look impressive with football being played on the deck. Looking forward to tomorrow night and this Saturday.

Lest hope for a good start to the season.

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20 Jul 2015 12:56:42
The statements from MW about the 3 year plan never mention the group stages of the competition . It merely states Champions League football. It is an ambitious plan that is being laid out, but I believe he is the man to take us forward and it is not an unachievable target. Unlikely but not impossible. He is bringing the right ethos to the club and with his youth policy I feel we will be challenging both yourselves and Aberdeen within a few years.

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20 Jul 2015 10:29:21
quite simply yes. it comes down to what teams we have, and it will be a good team, I'm sorry Timalloy, but you need to realise rangers will be back very soon.

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20 Jul 2015 11:08:05
certainly won't help us if celtic get put out three times again this year :p you on your daily fishing trip?

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20 Jul 2015 13:24:05
The thing is celtic are not a great side (better than us yes) but not a great side. We can catch them in 3 years if we bring in the right players. Also the likelihood is that Rangers would also be seeded in any champions league qualifier draw as its based not only on the teams co efficient but the country's and we would be up against teams from Iceland kazhakstan etc etc. So IF we win the league then yes I would fancy us to beat the champions of any of the smaller nations

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20 Jul 2015 13:44:54
Rossw01 Agree with the first part of your post but the coefficient is a combination of the team AND country and we could end up being pitted against an Arsenal or Man United when we do eventually get back in the qualifying stages.

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20 Jul 2015 13:52:13
Just thinking - maybe the fact that we are even running with a UEFA coeficcient (albeit a small one) means that UEFA regard the club to be the same one that's been in existence since 1872? Maybe that will put to bed some of the Sevco nonsense we have been having rammed down our throats for the past 3 years.

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20 Jul 2015 16:32:32
Ross we don't have to be great to canter the league in Scotland! Even with use in it! If u do some how manage to spend serious money to challenge us,which I have my doubts u'll even manage to do then the champs will step up and spend the dosh to keep us were we belong! But like I said,with the squad we have rite now I'm more than confident we'll dominate quite comfortably for the foreseeable future! And as for the champions league qualifiers mate,let's just see if u can manage to get out Scotlands 2nd tier before u start worrying about Europe!

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20 Jul 2015 19:06:15
Rangers will not be facing any English team as things stand but would definitely be a non-seed as their co-efficient will in essence be Scotland's co-efficient. It would lead to, in the final qualifying round, being drawn against teams like Steaua Bucharest, Red Bull Salzburg, Basel etc, providing they negotiate teams the like of BATE and APOEL in the round before that, hardened experienced CL teams with good pedigrees lately. This is of course providing they can win the SPL in the first place. The learning curve is vast, precious few managers are successful in Europe in their first effort, align that to being non seeds for two or possibly all three rounds and it will be near impossible first time out the traps.

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20 Jul 2015 21:13:16
CL in 3 years does seem a bit "pie in the sky" to me. I think we can get back there eventually, but it will take a bit of time.
I'm more concerned by how we get there, rather than when. I hope we get there by implementing a football philosophy and we don’t try to buy our way in to the CL.
I sincerely hope that one day I’ll go to watch Rangers play in the CL and our full starting 11 are academy graduates. Obviously that is a pipe dream, but that is what we should be working towards, wither that takes 3 year or 10 years, that should be the ideal goal.

I don’t like it when people set time scales for targets; you set yourself up for failure from the out set. The goal should simply be to reach the CL, it will take as long as it takes. Our main aim, Just now, should be to gain promotion to the premiership.

To do that we will have to be significantly better than we were last season. I think we will be, I believe the signings we have made and the influence of the new management team will improve us as a team. Will we gain promotion this season? Ask me in six months time.

Will we be able to mount a challenge to Celtic within the next two years? Ask me at the start of next season. Will be playing CL football in 3 years time? At the moment I’d say no, but again, ask me in 2 years time.

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