Rangers Banter Archive January 21 2017

21 Jan 2017 20:33:47
All that possession and no shots on target until 80 mins is shocking and worthless. We are playing too many attack minded players out of position. Halliday not DM, McKay cuts inside too much, Waghorn needs to play through middle as does MOH and dodoo. Hodson much better than tav who is never a midfielder and today kiernan was missing at the goal. Lucky for us miller and hill along with keeper are performing.

21 Jan 2017 23:06:52
Blue Nose I agree to an extent but when you have a team sitting with 11 behind the ball and smothering the game even the best teams out there struggle to break it down . On the Hodson issue I've spoke many times on here of how much better than Tav he is as I believe ( even though he scored many a goal in the championship for us ) another badge kisser like Halliday ( not to that extreme though I may add ) and survives on past glories . We have a nucleus of a decent team here if the manager chooses to drop his favs and give other/ better players a chance .

22 Jan 2017 09:43:02
I agree Blackwood, we do have the nucleus of a good team and if Hyndman is given a first team slot instead of Holt since he looks far more industrious and a significantly better player then I believe that we will see more goals.

I also believe that Windass is a young player that can develop into a top class player as of course in McKay and with the right coaching MOH can equally blossom.

Halliday is not a Holding midfield player and playing him out of position is not doing either him or the team any favours. Perhaps when, as we hope, Rossiter is fully match fit we will solve both these issues.

I believe that we need to find a replacement for Miller and whether that is Waghorn or Dodoo I just don't know and while I would agree that Hodson is a better defender than Tavernier neither is of the quality we need to be the starting right back. We need a central defence and perhaps the young lad from Raith Rovers can be part of that but neither Wilson or Kiernan is the answer and while Wallace is a good left back he is not captain material. In essence, he is too nice a guy! We need a Souness, Butcher, Gough type, (it pains me to say it, but someone like Brown with a bit of dig and that will drive the team forward) .

But on the very positive note I am seeing some green shoots of recovery.

22 Jan 2017 16:41:10
Blackwood we've got to learn how to counter it tho other teams manage it every week

21 Jan 2017 19:41:35
Lads, Mark McGee's post match comments, get ready for battle at Fir Park next week!


"I'm speechless, I've not spent a lot of time talking to the players in there because I've got nothing to say to them - I'm lost for words. I can't believe what I saw in the last ten minutes of the game"

21 Jan 2017 20:04:30
Massive over exaggeration when describing the last goal as a ridiculous one to lose. Thought Rangers deserved to win so don't know why he reacted like that.

21 Jan 2017 21:11:00
McGee's reaction today is the funniest thing I've seen all season
I was very angry with our performance today - No shots on taget for 80 mins against a team like that is very very poor
McGee's reaction made me feel a lot better though

21 Jan 2017 21:11:45
We need a big striker simple as that. well done Kenny but he drops deep alot. think we should try McKay out right hand side as well. he would get more joy with his crosses on his favoured foot

21 Jan 2017 22:36:25
McGhee hates us, that is pretty obvious and for me the feeling is mutual. If Waghorn, Windass and Hyndman had been on from the start I am pretty sure it would have been all over long before half time.

Windass showed significantly more strength in driving us forward and that is no disrespect to Toral who had a decent first game and Waghorn was immense when he came off the bench, which again is no disrespect to MOH who put in a decent shift. As for Hyndman he is a class player and did more in the short time he was on the park than Holt did for the previous two thirds of the game.

At the end a good result but we are poor defensively and need a captain that can lead by example and drive the team forward when we are struggling.

22 Jan 2017 20:42:47
Seemingly ok for his teams to lose 9 and 7 to the mhanks but not to lose 2-1 in a game they didn't deserve anything from. Bitter, bitter man

21 Jan 2017 18:38:55
We love a square pass eh? So much possession yet little end product . The only idea they have is pass the ball to wee Barry and hope he does the business. MOH had a better game today however he isn't the answer. He runs with his head down and his final ball is shocking . A striker needs to be scoring plenty goals and he won't be doing that for us . Miller and hill with McKay and the goalkeeper are our best players by a country mile and two of them are near retirement age. Massive result today though. Wee McKay was outstanding.

21 Jan 2017 19:10:50
Agree, tonnes of possession but rarely do we have the razor sharp pass that cuts open the defences.

Bit more speed required rather than constantly slowing the ball down

We're missing Kranjar in that role

21 Jan 2017 19:21:14
Djab, we have that striker in Jo Dodoo.

21 Jan 2017 21:18:57
Fd at last somebody agrees with me about dodoo being answer as striker.

21 Jan 2017 23:08:23
While I agree that Foderingham, Hill, Miller and MacKay are consistently our best players I would suggest that Windass is a good young player with a lot of potential and Waghorn is also a decent quality player. Add to that the fact that Rossiter when fully match fit will be a significant addition, MOH has the ability to improve so long as he has the right level of coaching and Dodoo is a young lad with potential.

Hyndman also looks the part and once he has a few games I reckon that Toral will be a good signing as well.

I would be more concerned about our defence although the young lad from Raith Rovers could be a quality player and Hodson while not brilliant is a decent defender.

Personally I would like us to sign a left back to give Wallace some competition because, when i watched him today I was not impressed. He was caught out too many times when he went up the park and struggled to get back into position, he gets dragged into the centre of the defence too much and was partly at fault for Motherwell's goal.

He is not Captain material and we need a leader that leads by example and can lift the team when required. In the short term I would rather see Miller with the Captain's arm band.

21 Jan 2017 16:43:23
Surprised that MOH started today and pleased that he had a good 70 mins and should have had a penalty. Hope that gives him confidence to kick on.

21 Jan 2017 16:50:28
Yea, I thought that he had a decent game today and it was a stone wall penalty. Problem is that Waghorn is a better player so unless we play with two strikers MOH is always going to be second choice.

21 Jan 2017 16:59:38
his pace is brilliant to beat most players but his first touch and dribbling at (times) is shocking. wasn't tht impressed with toral but needs time a suppose

21 Jan 2017 17:05:13
MOH had a decent highlight reel for today. Made some good runs and showed he can terrify defences with his pace. Needs to work on consistency as sometimes goes missing for large spells and needs to work on situations where he has his back to goal rather than running at defenders. However, he was denied a penalty and made a cracking run early on and was unlucky more was not made of his cross. A decent run of games and he could really turn the corner form wise. That's if he stays.

21 Jan 2017 17:48:18
Wasn't impressed with toral either tbh. great 1st time pass by hyndman though 😁

22 Jan 2017 17:46:31
Should have been a pen, but moh is poor, I have seen nothing that convinces me that he deserves a place in the team.

22 Jan 2017 17:54:35
MOH did ok, more so in the first half. The penalty, or non penalty decision was just a joke! Ref's about 12 feet away and looking right at it! The lad Toral is a bit slow and very left sided a bit like Hemdani was imo. Looks a good player though. I was impressed by Hyndman. Great pass for the winner! Great couple of finishes by Miller who was actually having a bit of a nightmare. Not a great performance but credit to the guys for the fightback and to MW who left Kenny on when he could easily have hooked him! A bit petty I know but great to see Motherwell get what they deserved at the end. Sweet FA!

22 Jan 2017 20:28:40
Get a grip! It's jon toral's first game! Give the guy a chance, he's a really good player!

21 Jan 2017 15:49:53
What's everyone's thoughts on Neil McCann involved some way in rangers management team?

21 Jan 2017 16:51:46
Good call, but what role would he take.

21 Jan 2017 18:43:40
Jim trainors assistant

22 Jan 2017 17:35:55
I love wee Mccann but doesn't mean because he talks a good game and shows abit of passion he'd be a success in a coaching capacity as we've seen many pundits turned managers fail big time

21 Jan 2017 14:42:16
As long as Warburton remains as manager, we will never improve as a team.
As fans, we all knew since the beginning of LAST season that we badly needed to strengthen in defence, needed a defensive mid and a proven goalscorer.
18 months later we still need them (thank god for KM)

Warburton has proven to be tacticaly useless, one dimensional, unable to change it up and has nothing to offer but his usual "we will learn" soundbytes which from what i see he doesn't even do that.

Time to go Mr Warburton

21 Jan 2017 15:06:58
That's pure nonsense, what warburton needs is money to buy some decent players, he brought in 11 players before he got garner for peanuts, of course he knows what he's doing, he just needs money to buy good players, not shop at the bottom end of the market, and btw that's not a dig at our board, because we can't spend what we don't hav

21 Jan 2017 15:21:09
Bollocks, £1.8 mil isn't peanuts for us and it has been wasted. Spent 1/ 2 mill on MOH and rarely plays him.
Those two situations alone tells you he is clueless.

Are you trying to say that the other signings he has made solved the problems everyone knows we had since last season?

If so then you are just as clueless

21 Jan 2017 15:21:33
Seems to me that we won? Would have preferred a more composed game but stylish silky football that ends in defeat is not something we need right now

21 Jan 2017 15:26:04
Lets not forget he has had more money than Aberdeen, hearts and the rest so that is no excuse, it is downright bad management

21 Jan 2017 15:28:47
So true BR65. Let's just win.

21 Jan 2017 15:30:12
Gosman you call me clueless yet your the one who can't read, read what I said outwith garner he's had peanuts lol
Anyway your just another rangers basher, I bet you hoped we got beat today, my god we won without playing well, yet you still want him sacked, I'm sick to think that me and you support the same team, your definitely one of the boo brigade

21 Jan 2017 15:41:35
Do you know what, I don't want to argue with you, I'm a fan that win lose or draw I get behind them, I, ll give warburton time to get it right because he deserves time at the very least, I'm obv very diff from you, I'm not stupid I know we are miles off were we want rangers to be, but I don't think warburton is clueless as you say, I think he's a very smart guy and if somehow he could a right good transfer budget he could do great thing at ibrox, but I'm willing to give him time to get there as he doesn't have the money for a quick fix

21 Jan 2017 15:43:05
No Delboy, i am a realist, we are a poor excuse for a team and that is down to the manager who picks the team and sets the tactics.

I have followed and supported them for well over 50years, at home and in Europe through good and bad times. Season ticket for at least half of those years but this is as bad a crowd as we have ever had.
Yes we have had poor teams but at least they put in a shift and knew what it meant to wear the jersey

21 Jan 2017 16:07:20
He has had far more money to spend than Aberdeen and Hearts yet there isn't much between the sides. His recruitment in the summer has failed miserably and to spend £1.8m on a non scoring striker when money is as tight is ludicrous. Sad day when a 38 year old is your best defender and a 37 year old is your best striker. Really can't see how we can close the gap on Celtic and it looks like under him we will be scrambling with Aberdeen and Hearts for 2nd place with the odd cup win

21 Jan 2017 16:31:35
I hope he learns from today!

On the live chat we were talking about his substitutions and who would come on / go off and surprise surprise, if fans could guess them, then so could opposition managers!

I am not a Halliday fan but thought he had a decent game today but Holt was a waste of a jersey. Windass made a difference when he came on as did all our substitutes and for his first competitive game I thought Toral had a reasonable game but boy our defence was poor and I include Wallace in that. He struggled to get back, he got dragged into the middle and sorry but he just is not leadership material.

We have some good quality young players but we are so short of quality it is frightening! We need some serious investment in players especially in defence!

21 Jan 2017 19:34:55
TOMUSA you make a lot of good points i'm just really surprised we've never sorted the problem areas scoring goals and conceding cheap goals, i think both new boys in midfield will be better in possession and won't have as much slack passing as both holt and halliday who i think are the architects of us conceding goals losing possession in bad areas of the park, would like to see bates along side hill for few games see how the boy plays, just glad we got the win and hope we can kick on from here

21 Jan 2017 20:40:57
We all saw us drifting back to our pre Dons and Jam Tarts style for 80 mins today and it is not pretty but we have shown when we can do it differently ijust as we did in the last 10 minute. However after the game today I was on the lift and wee Barry got on going from level 1 to ground, he did not look a happy lad. A brief bit of light banter took place about the game being poor for 80 mins nothing else but there was no reaction from him at all, really quite sullen. He is just a young lad and I just hope the pressure we put on him on this and other sites is not taking its toll, mayb some on here should go a bit easier on him!

21 Jan 2017 22:11:28
Agree wae uz lads I knew who would be subbed for who as soon as I saw starting lineup

22 Jan 2017 15:40:13
Thank goodness for km? Hope to God that's not Kenny miller because he was absolutely woeful today and his 2 goals don't change that.

21 Jan 2017 14:26:44
Kenny miller I really speak highly enough of the man, anyone who has seen my posts know I've been a big fan of his, sometimes I wonder where we would be without him, he's been our best player this season, and he just keeps getting stronger, well done kenny, you have got us out of jail again.

21 Jan 2017 14:30:42
I questioned why he was given an extra year on his deal last season. He has more than proved me wrong, thankfully. He still has a lot to offer at his age. Sloppy performance today though.

21 Jan 2017 14:38:11
Great performance from a true get. 2 great goals today.

21 Jan 2017 15:17:22
I just don't know how he keeps doing it, he is still full or running the way he did 20 years ago, even at 37 he will be sadly missed when he does go, hopefully he will sign on for another year.

21 Jan 2017 13:43:04
Watching this drivel at Ibrox, it looks like Motherwell are still playing in 2nd gear. You just want to give wee McKay a good shake. He's got the ability but not the belief, his first touch trying to go past a man is too half hearted.

21 Jan 2017 14:12:44
sucker punch but tell me who are the suckers m oh to go gets picked before windass and waghorn no change tactics substituitions made at his usual time and very few if any shots on target i think warurton is r delia in disguise god save k miller

21 Jan 2017 14:42:18
Large bill, what game have you been looking at, good substitutions and no longer all made at 60 mins. The American lad looks good and young kenny miller is magnificent. Great result and today lads.

21 Jan 2017 16:47:01
I hope that Warburton has learned and that the young American lad starts from now on. Much as I like MOH it is also clear that Waghorn has to start and I would also start with Windass so the only question for me is who drops out to allow us to play Toral who also looks a decent quality player.

Problem is that other than Miller we really don't have a striker and our defence, including Wallace, is just not good enough.

21 Jan 2017 17:00:29
FD, you are right that they were good substitutions but why on earth did Holt start when all three of the substitutes are far better than him.

21 Jan 2017 17:00:29
FD, you are right that they were good substitutions but why on earth did Holt start when all three of the substitutes are far better than him.

21 Jan 2017 17:29:03
tom, think starting match with the 2 new boys on loan would have been too risky. thought Torel looked decent but not Arsenal class or fully match fit. the American lad looks special, as he did in RB friendly last week. Assume Dodoo injury explains absence from bench today. Still believe he will come good and get us goals. Will be tough match at Fir Park next week, McGee has the petted lip.

21 Jan 2017 13:22:32
First time post, we must keep MOH, he is the sort of player we need at rangers. If warbs let's him go then he should be next. He is quick and direct unlike some of the wallapers warburton likes to play.

21 Jan 2017 15:25:04
his final ball is always lacking

21 Jan 2017 07:34:00
Let's say McKay does go to Leipzig and we get a decent fee, would you trust MW with the money?

21 Jan 2017 10:19:06
Both are very unlikely

21 Jan 2017 10:56:06
@lwdawson - Wee Barrie will not be going anywhere for that type of fee. Hypothetically speaking, the money will not be used on the playing side. It will be much needed elsewhere. And yes I would have trusted MW to spend it wisely.

21 Jan 2017 11:02:16
In a word, NO

21 Jan 2017 12:29:21
I don't believe that mcKay will go anywhere right now and if he did would debate whether Warburton would be given all of the money for players. What is more, January is not a good time to buy as Warburton has said himself.

Lets keep McKay, go with what we have and make some pre-contact signings for next season.

21 Jan 2017 12:36:20
Wee Barrie is a decent player but a 6 million price tag is a bit far fetched considering his form this season 1 good performance against the other lot does not warrant that kind of money, just my opinion bears.

21 Jan 2017 13:23:24
Hypothetically speaking, if he went for £6m, I reckon £5m would be needed for 'other' commitments at the club. The club certainly wouldn't be investing the money on other players.

22 Jan 2017 13:21:50
How is it far fetched? He's our best player! Should we just let him go for **** all then?