Rangers Banter Archive March 21 2012

 

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21 Mar 2012 21:55:11
so who's going to buy a flag on Sunday???? That should pay halftime juice

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I will, why not? Helps the club

J

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And I'm give them a tenner for it even tho it's a 2 quid minimum!

J

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You all pledge money on here but as usual dont follow it through i.e boycott Dundee,go to the pars game to help pay them back for Rangers screwing them over and dont forget the pledge scheme-10-14 million pledged = fighting fund 150000

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To the 3rd post - ill have you know - iv got my scarf, showed up at dundee( i never mentioned any boycott, infact i was saying to go if you check my previous posts), iv got my red and black scarf,iv donated to the RFFF and ill be there sunday buyin a wee flag.

iv done all I can - would you do the same for your club?

not that its worth saving

ryanrfc

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If you mean the money that Gers owed them, that has been paid, keep up before you put ridiculous posts on here.

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Yes I would Ryan, and you are one of the few who have dug deep,props to you but what about the hoard of 250000 that went to Manchester? How much have they given?

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21 Mar 2012 20:14:17
FACT...You make more business outside
from owning Rangers.
Rangers is a "loss earners"
like you get in ASDA (10beers for £5).

That was SDM model.

He spend a few pound on the club
but got loads £££££ back with MIM.

Say RFC sell shares at £1000 a pop
and sell to the 100 000 thats
£100M . Ticket sales for the next
10 years another £50M

Additional sales for tops, players
europe, TV...another £30M

Where is the RISK...

Pay off HMRC, CW, PAYE, Ticketus,
short term pain for long term gain...

total bills say £150M...with a massive
return potential....

or go bust and use the £150 to rebuild.
needs to be done before 6th April
new tax law means business
cannot walk away from debt...

Anyone with £150 to burn for 3years!
step up now!!

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150 pounds ? lol ..
i think we need a wee bit more than that, your living in fantasy land with these numbers...jsm

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So how come MIH ended up in soup

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David murray tried a share issue and had to write it off himself, what makes u think it will be different this time. £1000 for a share, is that a joke, share prices are based on the valuation of a company, right now they arent worth the paper they are written on

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21 Mar 2012 19:49:48
Just on subject of ebt loans. The ebt is a trust set up for the benefit of employees once payment is made from, for example, rangers to the ebt then rangers cease to have any rights to the money. Independent trustees then decide what to do with the money and a loan back to an individual can be made.
I'm a Celtic fan but saying that ebt use is tax evasion is misleading and innacurate. There are many taxes involved, some companies argue that you can have a corporation tax deduction some don't, some say inheritance tax is payable by the owners as they have shifted value from their estates by making a payment, there is an argument being pursued by hmrc that paye and Nic is due at the point of payment as this money is remuneration. This point has effectively been lost in the dextra and senora cases but if there are side contracts then this point may be won by hmrc this time. The loans as they stand are owed by ex players and directors to trusts which are set up for the benefit of those same people. Recalling the loans does rangers no good, I ramble but I ramble correctly
Nevis

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Finally a Celtic fan with an IQ that actually goes into 3 figures well done m8 this has been the clearest explanation of EBTs i have seen (are you sure your not a bear in disguise lol)

Happy-Bear

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21 Mar 2012 19:21:06
Old liewell hasnae half changed his tune eh! what a dummy! "We'll paddle wur own canoe..." voting structure change?!? "Oh well....wait a minute...changing the voting structure could jeopardize the sale of gers (thought it didnae matter to you?!?) and knacker the tv deal...."- if he honestly couldnae see where we were inevitably heading his heid really is pretty far up his jacksy!

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I think your heed is a mile up yours,he was asking if they had already came to a decision on rangers right now and rangers dont know about it. cos thats the way they work get it right....b

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21 Mar 2012 19:17:57
It doesnt matter who admits if they where on an EBT. The club has admitted using them! The only thing that matters is whether they are legal or not!

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21 Mar 2012 19:05:29
BBC News reporting on changes to voting system. Celtic and Rangers opposed to this. Quote from Celtic." We believe we generate 85% of SPL revenue" This cannot be right, at present! However, if Rangers aren't there next season, it might be true. My question is, has this already been decided? Can't see how else this can be right, if Rangers are still there.
Stevie-A-Bear

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Okay. just thought about previous post.
Quote said it was just from Celtic, but it may mean Celtic & Rangers generate 85% between them. Just the way it was quoted made me sit up. Stevie-A-Bear

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If you read the post it says we .....b

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@2 we could mean just CFC as well. I think he would have used something like 'both clubs' or just 'both'.

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Are you all thick cause PL is not he is aware the big two make up 85% of income.Listen to yourselves it could mean we being celtic so all the other SPL clubs make up the other 15% including rangers,put your brain in gear a kid in any school in scotland could tell you the old firm make the money to support the rest of the SPL so grow up......b

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Go and read the statement on the spl home page. peter said that the OLD FIRM
generate 85% of spl income. get your
facts right .

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Get a grip ya plums! he's already corrected himself, your just arguing for arguments sake noo
deejay

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Just typical of them mate. to deejay from Steeeve

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Uch ah know, deejay,They didn't even realise it was the same guy who made the same posts, i.e. OP and #2

@#5. Never seen SPL website, i was "quoting" BBC News.
Reporter said Celtic and Rangers are unhappy about this, "particularly Celtic" who said - "WE generate 85% of the revenue for the SFA"
My facts in relation to the quotation made on BBC are 100%, i just hadn't realised PL was speaking on behalf of Rangers.Well why would you?
Stevie-A-Bear {Ed001's Note - to be fair, the quote was not well chosen, it wasn't made clear, no doubt deliberately on the part of the BBC as I bet it stirred up a lot of hits for them! But he was talking about the Old Firm, hence why he used we to talk about the pair of them making 85%. Just shows the level of journalism involved, it would have been very easy to point out that he was referring to the Old Firm as a pair when he said it.}

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21 Mar 2012 17:51:45
the guy is correct it is the poll tax all over again , and if rangers do lose the tax case , i think a lot of clubs in england are in trouble . its not good for your club or scottish football . i am a celtic fan and come on this site to see what the fans say and know , but not to gloat at rangers troubled times .

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It's nothing like poll tax which by the way is a fairer tax system then it is currently run.

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21 Mar 2012 18:18:34
We are being conned here. If Duff and Duffer win the Ticketus case the Blue Knights bid will be withdrawn as they need the Ticketus money. If Duff and Duffer lose the Ticketus case, Ticketus will become the main creditor and they will NEVER agree to a CVA. We are in a lose lose situation.

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The have to agree to a CVA otherwise they get Nothing

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21 Mar 2012 16:55:38
Brian Kennedy has just left Ibrox after talks with the administrators and Ally McCoist

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There is a lot being made of him being a hibs fan, who cares? Is the Arab mob in charge of man city fans of man city? Was the gleezers man utd fans? Was wee fergus a Celtic fan?

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Fergus McCann was a Celtic fan From afar has family over on southside who are massive Celtic fans so the connection was there

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Fergus McCann ran the Kilsyth Celtic Bus before emigrating to Canada

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21 Mar 2012 16:53:43
£152,000 has been raised towards the Rangers Fans Fighting Fund so far.

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Wouldnt even pay edu and shaggers wages for the month , thats reality for you .fab1

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Is that it

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Well done bears - 7000 red n black scarfs sold too, with the flag idea at the game on Sunday it all adds up, good effort but we can do better!

J

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21 Mar 2012 16:43:13
Kennedy has withdrawn bid based on recent Ticketus legal arguments. Notified Ally and D&P today face to face cause he's that kind of guy.

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Dont talk p1sh he would wait till the legal arguement was concluded one way or the other....trueblue....

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He went to tell them that if ALL other bids fall through, he will not let us go under no matter what

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21 Mar 2012 16:24:13
celtic apparently breach laws by desmond paying a percentage of robbie keanes wages , strip them of the ooooops they won he-haw

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Ha...keep on clutchin'!

how many pathetic attempts will you lot go through to try and discredit celtic simply because of your own clubs inability to follow rules and regulations

more made up cr@p from the laptop loyal

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When in doubt the Gruesome Govanites revert to making up lies to try to cover their own indiscretions. It is what they have done for years and continue to do.

Q. How do you know anyone connected to the Gypsies,Tramps and Thieves mob are lying.

A. Their lips are moving and their face is contorted with blind rage.

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21 Mar 2012 13:48:11
henrik larsson is one player who the SFA are looking into regarding two contracts , something to do with an image contract ,just the first of many that will start to come out.affecting all clubs

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Larsson was paid through one contract which covered all image rights.His last contract was 45k per week + bonuses and a dedicated game

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Only a matter of time before henrik was dragged into this. Nonsense. Players are allowed seperate image contracts. Bog standard. Tax paid. End of

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You sad, sad little man. Henrik Larsson's contract was all above board. Dont try and tar us with ur dirty brush, absolutley pathetic.

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Surely not? Celtic never cheat, ask a stokes.

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Apparently he did have a separate contract for image rights. Time for Celtic to climb down from the moral high ground oh dear did they break rules?

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I assume you are Mr Larssons' agent or are you the chief executive at Celtic? Just wanting to clarify how you know he only had 1 contract?
theglasgowranger

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How many teams have changed captain in mid-season or for couple of ganes with more reponsibility comes more money did all these teams contact SFA ??

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Celtic pay a player 45K a week !!?? haha! There is no way on Gods earth the great green Biscuit tin would be raided for that amount of dosh - not even for the great Tongue waggler Henrik .

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I heard the same but it wasn't to do with celtic it was him and afew others got the payments from the swedish national team paid in to offshore accounts and now the swedish taxman is after them.

could be rubbish though

DJ

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@ theglasgowranger
i assume you are Mr Larssons' agent or are you the chief executive at Celtic?
just wanting to clarify how you think he had more than 1 contract

clutch clutch clutch

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Anyone who knows anything about football finances knows that an image rights contract is perfectly legal and above board.FFS Bears even Rangers have used them in the past.This is just our own keyboard warriors trying to deflect blame onto timmy.These are used by all clubs with their star players and is normal practise at big clubs.I think we should stick to worrying about ourselves rather than trying to dig dirt on others when there is none to dig,leave that to the twisted timmys.

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@1 Larsson was on £35,000 pw and he was the second top paid player in Scotland.
Now if you are saying that Larssons wage was defo £45,000 pw then that is £10,000 above the recorded salary which sounds to me very dodgy indeed. Basically you are saying that Larsson was receiving hidden payments for his term at CFC.mmmmm
Ah mean all you bhoys tell the truth and nothing but the truth, like.

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Well arsenal were caught out with image rights contracts, and Larson was on 45k a week, rangers had numerous players on that kinda money too

J

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21 Mar 2012 13:39:16
Chancellor says "tax evasion and aggressive tax avoidance are morally repugnant..."

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Yet himself and his ilk use every trick in the book to do the same with their finances through various loopholes that although may be legal are they moral.Shaun H

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He also says 37p on a packet of fags will deter people from smoking and if you are a fat cat banker I will give you a tax break of 5p off every 50p.

Good old politicians the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.


Ian(54 and subtracting)

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Coming from a guy who has spent 10s of thousand ( atleast) of tax payers money on his "expences"... Yeah, can't really take him seriously, (even though I do agree it's immoral)
PaulRFC

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And these mps who are on serious money, usally dodge it through expenses etc, pot kettle.... craig+babybear

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Ian what an ill educated response that was. There is evidence to suggest raising the price of cigarettes does deter people from starting to smoke. Also the 50p tax rate was damaging to us, it was the highest in the G20 and in the long run will make more money by abolishing it.

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@5 is correct but canny see the bankers jumping back for 5%

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"Coming from a guy who has spent 10s of thousand ( atleast) of tax payers money on his "expences"... Yeah, can't really take him seriously, (even though I do agree it's immoral)"
PaulRFC

Well you support the right club to be judging what is immoral and what isn't lmao No Taxes paid, stealing money from a charity match, still exploiting fans by selling dennis the menace scarves AND charging them for flags (that were free last year) for a pittance that is going to make no financial difference. Let's face it the flag day is to wind up the Champions(elect) for their triumphant visit on Sunday.

"Oh look at me! I'm a 35yr old man that is standing waving a poncy flag that cost me 2 quid just to prove I am a REAL Rankers fan"

There is underprivileged, there is underhand, there is uneducated and then there is the shame that is Rankers........under investigation

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1 Word for that above pointless post...... gullible! your the uneducated one ya silly sausage! if you actually heard about it then you know fine well rangers didn't “steal“ the charity money infact they refused to take it but it was the charities idea to give the club money!, and less ae it wae the ponsy flag crap, proud to wave our country‘s flag! and does it matter if its 2 pound geez oh mate, read again! minimum of £2 they will be decent bears donating considerably more than that, so get your filthy green tinted specs off, if ye want to greet go to the tims page where you lot are still teeming after that true celtic class was finally seen on sunday, RANGERS 1-0 BOTTLECRASHERS FC and just to make clear we do not care of your accusations we are still here, NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVEN so the scaremongering isn't even botherin us, infact you lot are makin yourselves scared HAW HAW britishandproud {Ed001's Note - I wish people would get over this flag thing, it was just because they were cheaply and easily available due to them being mass produced for the Queen's Jubilee celebrations. It was a nice cheap way to bring money into the club, nothing sinister on the choice of object.}

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The opinion of a Millionaire trustafarian who just mugged millions of pensioners to fund tax cuts to his fatcat friends carries as much weight up here as a burst haggis.

Me Here

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21 Mar 2012 13:35:03
If eBTs are loans why isn't D&P chasing these debtors for circa £300m owed to Rangers incl. interest? If the tax only is £49m!
Campbell Ogilvie owes an admitted £95k plus interest for starters.
Rangers Debtors far outweigh Rangers Creditors.

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Because they have side letters promising not to do this

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21 Mar 2012 13:30:28
Does anyone else feel that Brian Kennedy may be our best option?

I say this because he obviously has the money, he seems like the type of guy who would take a back seat and he has been totally reserved throughout this whole process.

We all know he is a last resort but i doubt the Blue Knoghts have the funds to match his and the chicago based consortium failed in a bid to buy Sheff Wed and Tranmere recently. No disrespect to they clubs but this is Rangers, a far bigger club that would require more funding.

I like the idea of Souness back in some capacity. The guy has a real presence and if Walter Smith was also brought in in some capacity also you would feel that these guys wouldn't let the club down in any way.

I hope this is resolved sooner rather than later as the longer we are in administration the more D&P gain from our club and the sooner CW becomes a distant memory the better also.

Lets hope the administrators put our club in the hands of men who have Rangers best interests at heart eh.

J1985

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If the administrators that have dealt with previous clubs ie Portsmouth, Port Vale are anything to go by J1985 i would not hold my breath.They seem to go in streamline the finances put the club on not an even keel but on one that is enticing to new owners after which the same problems arise sooner rather than later and its back in the brownstuff for the team in question.Buy hey i like yourself also Hope that the next Guardian of us is up to the challenge and this whole sorry mess can be resolved.Shaun H

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21 Mar 2012 13:16:34
Brian Kennedy's "failsafe"/ I don't want to see the club disappear bid is revoked if ticketus encumbrance is not removed- that position is logically inconsistent.

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No one in their right mind would touch rangers without season ticket revenue, it is the main source of income outside champions league money which we will not be in for next 3 years at least, 30 million per season black hole over 3 seasons is 90 million, how in their right mind will buy us?

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If need be, we will have to sell our top earners, form a cap in pay similar to smaller clubs in spl. That will help reduce any defecate. There won't be a black hole, we need to be on an even keel if wee survive this. Plus with new uefa rules, we'd need to cut our costs anyway.

pappy

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21 Mar 2012 13:03:48
If we will lose the tax case as many are predicting why is it taking so long to come to a conclusion? Surely we must have some sort of a case for it to be dragging out this long and it's not as cut and dry as some might suggest?

Gers1986

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If HMRC win the tax case as many are predicting why is it taking so long to come to a conclusion? Surely HMRC must have some sort of a case for it to be dragging out this long and it's not as cut and dry as some might suggest?

It works both ways.

Ian(54 and Subtracting)

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Rangers have a strong defence clearly, i would say its 50/50

We will know within a month just hope it doesn't hold up sale of club.

J

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21 Mar 2012 12:24:52
Well this is my opinion bears, if worst comes to worst then am just goin to support my home team all time i.e just stick to the one which is glentoran, and i think well maybe the rest of the bears could follow suit so the irish premier csn get even more support! if the tims don't want us then eff them! we can just sit back and watch the spl go bankrupt haha, and point 2 WHEN we get back to business then i think we should take a stand and not be walked all over! The glen-ger

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I will still support the Gers no matter what form they are in!

J

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Seein as I stay five minutes from Celtic park I doubt il b supportin my local team

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Haha except fae you mate that is totally understandable lol, and if ylu read my post a said support the irish premiershipi.e gletoran or linfield etc etc lol, anyhoo J. i wilbe doing the same cos we won't be going anywhere anytime soon watp

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21 Mar 2012 11:58:00
As a Celtic fan, I find it astonishing that Rangers fans are being asked to buy flags and scarves on Sunday. Take your £2 minimum donations and the rest of the hard earned you're willing to fork out and give it straight to the club! I fear someone must be rubbing their hands with glee and laughing all the way to the bank at the stupidity of the masses! {Ed001's Note - I believe the flags thing was being organised anyway for the Jubilee, it is just a later idea to ask for the donation, rather than giving them away free.}

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Totally agree pal. I was at Ibrox for the first OF game of the season and the flags were there waiting for me by my seat....now they want to cash in!!
The way i see it is i pay approx £600 a season to support Rangers through my season ticket and strips ect,ect. I just can't afford to pledge £500 online to the saverangers campaign or pay out any more than i already do. The flag may only be approx £2 but it's the principle of it all that annoys me. The legends game v Milan was supposed to be to raise money for charity, now because we find ourselves in a mess we will take a percentage for the club?? Doesn't go down well with me. I don't know the ins and outs of what money goes to who, only what i've heard on here but how can you arrange to raise money for a charity and then because we are in financial trouble just keep proceeds from the game to us??
J1985

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Instead of buying pies to feed ure belly have somthing before u leave ure house and buy a flag for only 2 pnd to suport the club u love for god sake

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Did you not understand what my point is?? It's the whole principle. Programmes, hats, scarves and flags...now £2 for a wee union jack flag....you go and fill your boots buying them pal, i certainly won't. As for being the club i love....did you not read my post, i pay enough already!!!

J1985

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21 Mar 2012 11:34:17
when we score a barrowload down copeland rd ill be there. when we win the league down a copeland rd ill be there.

yous can bring your flags. coz our flags wil be just champion

am not saying were the best team in the world but were a dam sight better than yous.

just heard theres another bid just came in all they the way from TIM WON TU sorry a mean timbuktu. make mine a double mind the gap

Peter Cardiff

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Oh dear, there's another yin managed to get saftey top off his Evostick...
BB

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You win the league at Ibrox....we won it at Parkhead first. You make it to 50 domestic league titles.....we've already done it. You make it to the last 16 of the CL....we did it first.......There's a pattern here!!! We were getting a bit greedy with 3 titles in a row so have this 1, we'll be back next season to reclaim what is ours pal.
J1985

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Make yours a double why I thought it was a treble you were after or are you all filled up with all those Killie pies?

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We won the eruopean cup weres the pattern mate

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Dont forget its 54 and subtracting as well, so the first to 50 is still up for grabs,but as post 4 says you will never win the big one,trying to emulate the mighty Celtic has put you in hock up to your eyeballs

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21 Mar 2012 11:29:12
Funs fun but to h*ll wae nonsense.
The story in the Sun about a cheats
dating agency getting involved at
the club is shoddy. Maybe we should
take a leaf out of Lennons book and
introduce an embargo on the press.
They are taking the proverbial. {Ed001's Note - it's old news, they spoke to D&P last week and it was reported last week. They are just seeking some publicity.}

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21 Mar 2012 10:41:51
From The SUN

THE maverick boss of a dating website for married love-rats last night revealed he’s made a “serious” bid to RENAME Ibrox in a £4.4million ad deal.

NEW BID … Paul Clark
Another bid comes in for Gers

A NEW mystery UK-based bid was last night tabled for crisis-ridden Rangers
Scottish Sun Says

Noel Biderman — owner of US firm Ashley Madison — offered the lucrative sponsorship deal to Rangers’ administrators yesterday in a 60-minute telephone call.

And the Canadian-born tycoon confirmed he also wants to put his company’s name on the Gers’ shirts for up to £2.5million.

Last night Biderman, 40, revealed the £7million tie-up is now being put before bidders for the crisis-hit club.

He said: “This is a very attractive opportunity for my company which spends tens of millions of dollars on advertising.

“We spoke on two fronts. The first was regarding sponsorship of the stadium. The second was about sponsorship of the team.

“The administrators are going to put my proposals to consortiums interested in buying the club.”

Yesterday’s revelations appeared to allay fears the wacky sponsorship package was simply a PR stunt, after initial claims he wanted to paint the stadium pink.

The married dad-of-two said: “To be honest, that was maybe a bit of an error.

“But Rangers is a globally recognised brand and I would like to be involved with them through sponsorship. The cash IS there.”

Former lawyer and sports agent Biderman was dubbed the ‘King of Infidelity’ after starting his dating website in 2001.

Now Ashley Madison — aimed at married people looking for an affair — has 13million members.

And 500,000 Brits are said to have signed up since last year.

It claims to pick up a new UK member every 45 seconds, with 300 women joining every day.

But the company has sparked a series of controversies with previous sponsorship bids.

In 2009, US telly station NBC banned its commercial from appearing during the Super Bowl.

A year later Phoenix, Arizona, knocked back a £6.5million offer to rename its airport Ashley Madison International.

The firm also failed in a bid to rename the home of the New York Giants gridiron team.

Last night a source said: “It remains to be seen if anyone would want to deal with a brand that makes its money from people being unfaithful.”

A spokesman for Duff and Phelps confirmed the contact with Ashley Madison. He said: “We deal with every inquiry in a professional manner.”

Can this be true??

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Last night a source from Duff & Phelps said: It remains to be seen if Ashley Madison would want to deal with a brand that makes its money from people being unfaithful.

Ian (54 and subtracting)

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21 Mar 2012 10:19:19
Glasgow City Council now a confirmed RANGERS creditor. £96K in arrears for non-dom rates as of March 7, 3 weeks after D&P took reins.

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21 Mar 2012 10:06:44
Anyone know if Celtic have paid their allocation ahead of Sunday?

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We always pay our way.
PS LOOK OUT THE POLIS ARE COMING

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It,s in the post

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The official BOYS IN BLUE are on your
case

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21 Mar 2012 08:43:06
Morning lads, and ed ;)
Got my red and black scarf the day, an i don't think I'll be wearing it , I look like I'm in the hitler youth FFs, don't mind though it was only 12.50, has anyone else got their one yet?
PaulRFC

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Just as long as you don,t start signing seig heil as well as watp oooooh garlar07

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Got mine too...

J

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21 Mar 2012 08:39:33
Has anybody noticed that since the publication of the apparent (redacted) second contracs by a few newspapers that there is now no information or so called "proof" of this apparent contract anywhere to be found?

The stories have essentially vanished....

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21 Mar 2012 08:29:26
am i the only fan who has big doubts regarding the blue knights takeover. putting the debt aside for a moment, the playing squad needs substancial investment for next season. most of the current squad is poor and personally i would do away with ally mccoist and his backroom team not to mention the inept scouting policy. we need at least 30m invested in the playing team and the blue knights don't have that level of funding.

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Lets just concentrate in securing our future first!
deejay

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21 Mar 2012 08:19:20
Does any1 no if rangers are selling the red and black scarfs in the club shop?

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Don't think so, www.redblackrangers.com

J

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Yes got them in shop, got my mate who works down that way to get me 4 this morning..

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Also JJB

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21 Mar 2012 08:15:28
For all the Timothys who feel Rangers cheated and should have book thrown at them by Uefa should realise that if this happens the Coefficient of Scotland's clubs in Europe without Rangers performances will reduce them to 18th, 1 champions league place in qualifiers and NOT direct entry to group stage. If we are not getting out of Admin by end of March and cant play in Europe ourselves then I hope this happens.

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Is it any wonder folk don't care if you survive? "aye we dun it,but a hope the rest get punished fur it" away and have a right good look at yersel,you broke the rules,take yer medicine,it's nobody else's fault!!

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Celtic are the proverbial turkeys voting for next Xmas!....because if we go down, they will not survive for long on their current model....they already have more players than an American football team, and will have to cope with thec seismic effcect of the tv deal being re-negotiated if we fold..but that's if we fold...so much ill-informed rubbish has been spouted by Celtic fans , who are in turn,legal/financial/football law experts, that we begin to wonder if all the unpproven accusations against Rangers fall into the same category as the"Dossier" ...remember the document that was going to shake the SFA to it's roots? highlight institutional bias, etc, etc, where's that gone then?

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To the above poster,.how did Scottish football get to this grand old age before Sky paid for the tv rights? We will all just have to tighten the purse strings and live within our income.

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To poster 3...we weren't paying millions of pounds for players then, were we?...and clubs can't survive on gate money alone....I repeat, tightening purse strings yes, but all SPL clubs have debt to service, even the sainted 'tic, and TV money is an essential part of keeping us above Welsh and Irish league standard.

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21 Mar 2012 07:58:58
Interesting, so timmy did break the rules. Time for a call to ch4, SFA and uefa.

Article Excerpt
Byline: by STEPHEN McGOWAN

COME lunchtime today ignorance will be no excuse. By Robbie Keane's own admission, he knows little or nothing about Ross County.

If the Irishman's sojourn at Celtic is to end in relative success, however, then the constant demands to justify his vast salary must be answered at the National Stadium.

As Keane put it yesterday, he has been damned if he does, damned if he doesn't in Glasgow. Goals are the only currency by which he can hope to pay back the substantial investment in his services. And even after 12 in 12 games there will be those debating whether a six-month loan from Spurs was worth the time and effort.

Few believe that Dermot Desmond agreed to meet his share of Keane's [pounds sterling]65,000-a-week wages in order to beat First Division opponents in a cup semi-final. Yet, for Celtic and their biggest shareholder, it's all that's... {Ed001's Note - I think you need to explain yourself, there is nothing there.}

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You need to explain what it is that you yhink celtic did wrong, as i cant see anything in your post. cheers. R/R

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Ed what's that post about m8, robbie keane wasnt playing for them when county stuffed them. I don't understand that post
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - I have no idea myself, I am confused.}

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Robbie Keane was on loan,there would be a contract between Spurs and Celtic.Spurs would be paying a percentage of his wages and Celtic the rest.There is no question of any wrong doing in the deal,the FA in England would have flagged it up as they would have had a copy of the loan contract.You lot keep clutching at straws,only one club up here has cheated and we all know who that is or are you still kidding on everything is fine?

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21 Mar 2012 01:19:45
if my understanding is correct (and i may be wrong) ticketus only own the season tickets so why not just boycott the season tickets and just buy tickets for each match and (make sure the stadiums full every week) therefore they would have no claim to the gate money?

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Yip the new rangers, just bump everyone you owe and life will be good again.

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Catch up man
this has been done to death

TICKETUS WOULD STILL CLAIM THEIR MONEY!! its NOT DEPENDANT ON SEASON TICKETS

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Come on mate , we've been through this so many times, to make it simple , ticketus will own your seat , so no matter how you pay for that seat they get the money,(starting to sound like a parrot)
PaulRFC

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Because the debt will still remain and still need to be paid off most likely from ticket sales. Whether you renew or not is irrelevant.

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Sorry to dissapoint you my fellow bear but how many times has ed cleared this up? Hundreds lol, right, as ed has said previous, it does not matter if you buy tickets or not the money will still go to them because its the seats they own ain't that right ed? oh and ed so am i right in saying to my fellow bear that the only way ticketus don't get the money is IF the contract has been ripped up? or if duff and phelps win the court battle? ( LOYAL BEAR ) {Ed001's Note - I have given up explaining it mate!}

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How many times do we need to go through this, it doesn't matter if it's a season ticket or payin for a ticket tickets own the seat

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@1 , yep the old Celtic , blaming everyone but themselves for not winning the cup! It was the ref ! It was a penalty! Nope it was neither , it's because your bottle merchants! And can't take getting beat!
PaulRFC

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UFEA cup final. Manchester ring any bells. I think Celtic can walk away after getting beat not like some other clubs. Al give you a clue you support them. Bigirishmac

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Post 7,lol you are trying to say Celtic are blaming everyone,you really dont do irony do you? Rangers have blamed everyone from the BBC to the tax man for their current plight. Correct me if I am wrong Neil Lennon said we were the better team(correct)we were the more attacking team(correct)the killie keeper had a great game(correct) and again correct Colum missed a stonewaller. As many Celtic fans have said,well done Killie you scored a goal we did not. So as usual Paul you really need to think and engage your brain before typing.

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@post 9 Am i missing something goals win games Killie scored Celtic did not therefor who was the better and more deserving winner on the day.Is that Correct enough for you.Shaun H

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Post 8, u don't have a clue what your talking about, don't think you were in Manchester, the trouble started long before we knew the score, where u there when the police had people locked up like animals in Manchester train station, cause I was and it wasn't a nice experience, the police were just as much to blame for riots in Manchester.

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21 Mar 2012 00:23:39
What a ridiculous situation we are in,and have been for many months. Why is it taking so long for a decision in the tax case. It is absolutely unbelievable that a decision cannot be made in a timely fashion. Is it beyond the wit of man to do anything quickly.

Let's all understand that we cannot move forward until a decision is made. Nobody, unless your only intention is to liquidate us, will buy anything until you know what you are buying. Only some devious bar steward would buy with the intention of stripping the bones bare, sound familiar?
And only one lying, devious bar steward would borrow the money on the assets of the company that he is buying. If this is not illegal, then it should be, and the lying, crooked charlatan should be in the Bar l.

What the hell is the delay in this tax case, surely a decision can be made and then everybody knows where we are. Why can pressure not be put on these guys, why are the politicians not demanding a quick decision, why can't the football authorities request an urgent decision, why can the media not demand an answer.

As Bill Shankley said if you can't make a decision you would be better off being an M.P.

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Lots of fans keep saying craig whyte used ticketus money to buy rangers. I feel that Craig Whyte will say he bought Rangers for a pound and that he did not borrow against the club assets to get the pound. After he has bought rangers he owns them and can sell whatever he likes to pay whoever he likes(season tickets to Ticketus, ticketus money to lloyds). So if this is true, even if the ticketus deal is voided then surely craig whyte owes ticketus 24.4 million but whytes ownership of ibrox would be unquestionable due to him paying off the 18 million lloyds debt. This would allow whyte to sell ibrox, murray park and the players, with this money he could pay off all debt including the big tax case, result no more rangers and craig has e few million in his pocket.
I know i may seem cynical but every outcome seems to go in craig whytes favour

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20 Mar 2012 23:57:39
Any truth that along with having to give back trophy's,Neil lemon wants king James awarded the battle of the Boyne.Bluntru72

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Can,t be true there were tim,s on both teams,unlike ranger,s will i am did,nt have a no tim policey lol garlar07

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20 Mar 2012 23:54:47
The Timothy's and their conspiracy's, I'm hearing the FBI are inVestigating us over kennedy's assassination {Ed001's Note - I heard it was Craig Whyte on the grassy knoll.....}

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Nice 1 ed very sharp. Bluntru72

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Wish it had been CW in the car {Ed001's Note - he's good at chicanery and trickery, but not even he is that good at it!}

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Might have been SDM
CW was just the patsy!

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Jack ruby was a hitman hired by sfa to kill oswald he knew to much about contracts,i know coz iv seen the letters,this go,s deeper than you think garlar07

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If Craigy boy was involved in it,the hitman would not have been paid!

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