Rangers Banter Archive March 21 2013
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21 Mar 2013 23:33:21
Moan moan moan, why are so many people moaning and surprised that we don 't play like Barcelona? We are where we are, nobody said it was going to be easy. The management team have built a team from scratch under v difficult circumstances. Judge them 1 year after our next transfer window closes and then you'll have a right to moan moan steve
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When you pay good money to watch rubbish week after week, we are entitled to moan, moan, moan. It's Div 3!We should be walking. I am entitled to moan as I saw great teams in the past -----this ain't even good never mind great!
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Difficult circumstances? Alexander, McCulloch, Shiels, Black and Templton Wallace and Little might suggest otherwise mate.
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Quite right Steve, the nonsense we have had to listen to this year from our own fans is just deluded. We are in the third div, going to win the league in March and it ain't good enough. These players are not Rangers class of the previous years, but they are good enough to do what they need to do. There is no point comparing these players to players of the past, they don't need to be as good. Perhaps those that moan think we should spend every penny we have and more to build a team to win div three. Stupid and pathetic, time to wake up and realise where we are.
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@1 we are walking it
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@3 "spend every penny we have and more to build a team to win div three". I thought you did.
Al
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@4 gretna averages 3-1 and that's walking the league.
averaging 1-0 is by skin of teeth
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20 points clear, goal difference of +51. I would hardly say we are struggling. The football is not pretty, and Ally will have to change the style soon, or someone else can.
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@6. What are you talking about. To average 1-0 over 29 games we would have scored 29 goals and lost none. Over 29 games we have scored 75 goals - an average of just over 2. 5 goals per game. We have lost 24 goals which is an average of less than 1 goal per game. Our average score is therefore, better than 2. 5-1.
Not as good as it should be but nothing like your mythical 1-0 average.
Bigbaloobear
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5) no Al we have £20m in the bank.
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21 Mar 2013 22:09:44
Charles Green. Stranraer said they would back us up, due to the precedent being set. Iain Dougan vice chairman at stranraer said today. We would not back Rangers up, as we do not think it's the same circumstances. Charles lying again. TM
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That was the vice chairman your correct but a good few weeks ago the Chairman of Stranraer was quoted in the papers saying that his opinion was that if this league changes took place this season then Rangers should be promoterd FACT
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He does seem to be losing a lot of credibility with his statements. This has been going on for months, Adidas, Murray park renaming etc.
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This same guy stated in the paper two weeks ago that if he were Green he would use his kun as a precedent. Now he is saying something else because they want a pay off. So it is not Green that changed his comments it's the other guy. But then if Green said black you would say white. However if you care to read what is said perhaps you would understand instead of talking dross.
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I can't fathom the logic that a precedent was set with Stranraer when we were then dealing with an expansion of divisions whereas now we're dealing with a decrease in divisions. two completely different scenarios.
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4) it's called principles mate, it is unfair to change rules not only during the season, but in actual fact when the prizes have been won, and then the rules changed. If you are in a 30mph zone and you get stopped at 30mph because somebody decided when you are half way up the road that it should be a 20mph zone. Not fair.
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@5 yes mate I appreciate what your saying in regards to the unfairness of changing the structure mid flow. I totally agree. but Stranraer cannot be referenced in regards to the present proposals as it represents a completely different scenario.
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21 Mar 2013 21:31:09
I know you sing "No one likes us we don't care. " But it has became apparent that a) you are shocked that it is actually true and b) there seems to be absolutely no prospect of you embracing a learning curve as to why and here is why your club and some of your fans will be forever tainted as such. There is not a modicum of shame for sand-shifting stances and opinions on things. Something held dear yesterday dropped today if it can further the Gers one iota.
In Craig we trust - erm
We don't do walking away - was it the royal "we" from Ally as the vast majority of his first team squad didn't read the hymn sheet?
Look at our balance sheet at the end of the season - oh by the way we're losing a million quid a month.
We'll work our way up through the divisions - we demand promotion to the second tier of a three tier system effectively bypassing a number of clubs.
The two contracts case was an admin error - £250,000 fine which the panel described as "deliberate".
Is there any chance whatsoever of anything you claim being either factual or still the Rangers stance 6 months later? That is why any number of fans in Scotland are more than enjoying any misfortune to befall the club, humility and reality, needed in vast quantities if you ask me before you get a modicum of respect and support from other fans, oh but then again, no one likes you and you don't care.
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"No one likes us we don't care", you and your celtic minded friends obviously like us, you've abandoned your club in hordes and spend your time posting on here. PB
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Usual intelligent answer from PB who has been handed his ass a few times on the Champions site, so often in fact he tried to post under others names and got caught. PB you have zero credibility on these sites you belong on RM with the rest of the bigots.
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You see persons like you will kill the game stone dead. We never murdered anybody, we went out of business, like hundreds up and down the country. The difference is that your sudden desire for something called sporting integrity brought the Scottish game to its knees. So you enjoy what you have sown, empty rows upon empty rows, ans if it is like that in year one, just wait till year three. The problem with this narrow minded country is that you are either blue or green and if you are one you hate the other. If you are happy that Scottish football is dying on its feet, then persons like you are the reason.
But at least you get a pop at your rivals. Time for bed son, school tomorrow!
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Gaz,
What a load of utter garbage. We have been put through the mill in the last year by born again lovers of integrity. We are well aware that nobody likes us, the fact is that those vociferous fans of other clubs, like you no doubt, decided to put the boot in. You couldn't beat us on the park, so you took your chance off the park. That's it, full stop.
How dare you accuse the fans of being tarnished because a company went bust, what exactly did I do wrong?
I followed my team, home and away and filled the pockets of bastions of integrity.
There is no modicum of shame you say, just tell me why I should be ashamed?
You chose to say that we're guilty of this and guilty of that! What I am guilty of is supporting my club.
For you and your likes to ask if anything We claim is factual. Well I will tell you what is absolutely factual, we were found not guilty of tax evasion, we were found not guilty of cheating. Those are the facts, and for you who no doubt visited many sites that claimed their points to be factual, we're wrong.
Get this right, if you are happy to keep one of the only two meaningful clubs out whilst the game in this country withers and dies then you should really get the emerald green glasses off and get in the real world.
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PB I noticed you didn't take me to task for anything I said just the "obsessed defence" in another form. (It's becoming like a chess defense, "we'll wheel out the old obsessed retort whenever we have nothing worth debating to say". )
The reason I come in her and post is after seeing the garbage some of you pass of as fact or just for the entertainment the stupidity provides.
Michael Laudrup - once a bear always a bear.
Name me one team in the world that would change manager with a 20 pt lead. Which was replied to promptly with Bayern Munich.
The shares might double in value tomorrow.
The comedy gold list is endless in here PB, I swear it is closing in on Blackadder Goes Forth as the most amusement a guy can possibly have.
Gaz
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3&4) Do you agree with McCoist and Green regards promotion? Yes or No?
If so does that have "sporting integrity" for the NINE clubs you will happily bypass who were not relegated?
Regards the demise of Scottish football I'm a realist, we have far too many clubs, much as I hate to say it the death of a few clubs won't hurt matters at all, mergers would be my preference but so far only the forward thinking people of Inverness have saw fit to do that.
This time actually answer my question, is there one of the 5 things I said that are false? Have any of them became meaningless mantras fairly soon after the fact and yes some in here were passing the panels decision off as an "admin error" I saw it with my own eyes.
And for the record 4) you were put through the mill by two previous owners who you blindly followed despite numerous alarm bells going off in an ever desperate chase of "the big cup". No one put Rangers where they are bar Rangers, embrace that and we might just have a sensible conversation.
Of course none of you done anything wrong and believe me I do have sympathy with that but just don't wield the sporting integrity bat when it suits, this desperate attempt at promotion leaves all previous at Rangers decorum through this on a very shoogly peg. As does the interesting interpretations of history. Two folk got you where you are today for all the finger pointing, Murray and Whyte.
Gaz
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@4 You were not found not guilty of the EBT's, there was a percentage of blame hence the case is at ANOTHER level of appeal the UTT, the FTT was Rangers (remember them?) appeal against the total tax bill. Let's just wait and see what happens at the UTT. And the club you are guilty of supporting is dead, so that makes you a liar if you are still watching the zombies, ever heard of guilt by association? seems you have chosen the right mob to support since your old team died.
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N7 their is no percentage of blame none at all the reason its going to higher court is an attempt to save face what will you be saying when next set of q c see there are no grounds for taking things any further and believe me that is what will happen fact
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21 Mar 2013 19:15:12
share price down lower than 1st sale. Let see CG make a move soon.
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Share prices fluctuate, do some homework before posting p*sh. They might be worth double tomorrow. How many have you got? PB
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"They might double tomorrow" I take it your not a frequent stock investor?
Gaz
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Share price is the ultimate market value of a business. Reflecting supply and demand of shares. Therefore at the moment there is a higher availability than demand for these shares. The club is today worth less than when Green floated. The market has decided its not a great business investment.
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@2 double tomorrow is tongue in cheek, that will never happen but shares fluctuate daily, I take it you were aware of that being a "frequent stock investor". PB
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Putting words in my mouth PB, you come out with the line "do some homework" and then follow it with what you claim is tongue in cheek but was in fact just a wild exaggeration. When you said "do some homework" to the OP and that shares fluctuate I actually agreed with you and presumed what would follow was common sense, but alas no, it eluded you again PB.
Gaz
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Not looking great since January. But then, is this surprising? http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail?code=cotn:RFC.L&it=le
LLSTMF
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21 Mar 2013 17:46:35
It seems more and more likely that this 12-12-18 may succeed. What a shambles. Everybody knows that Scottish football is at its lowest ebb for years, the fans are just not going. It may be money issues, it may be the fact that the football on show is awful. I tend to think it is the latter reason. And yet it seems that at a time where we need all the fans we can get that once again the fans wishes are being ignored. That is not the way to attract fans back.
It is clear that the lunatics are truely running the asylum. I am a Rangers fan, have been a season ticket holder for forty years, this year I have used my tickets three times. It is unwatchable, simple as that. The only clubs with improved figures this season are all the other third division teams. We may have better figures but the income is considerably less. These so called bastions of integrity, namely the SPL chairmen, have destined the Scottish game to collapse. And yet here they have the perfect chance to go a long way to put the game back on its feet. We should be put into div two of new setup. Then all those teams would benefit the way the third div teams have this year. It would also mean that the SPL clubs would benefit a year earlier, but not a year too soon for many. It was ridiculous that these men were backed into a corner by their own fans, spineless. They are there to make the best decisions for their club and Scottish football as a whole and they have failed and appear to be happy to fail again in making a sensible decision. They need to grow a pair now!
These people, these sanctimonious chairmen who suddenly for the first time became paragons of virtue, will have to answer questions why because of the voice of a few vociferous fans, that they killed the game. DM and CW were to blame for our downfall, they have gone. The Rangers fans suffer, the incomes of SPL clubs suffer, the game suffers.
Did we deserve to be punished, I didnt, all I did was to follow my team home and away and filled the coffers of these clubs.
Do CW and DM deserve to be punished, you bet they do.
Time for some good old fashioned common sense but I fear that I have as much chance of that happening as me winning the lottery for the next three weeks in a row.
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How long before Rangers can play in the top league? Isn't it 3 years before UEFA will allow it because of accounts?
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OP you describe these folk as bastions of integrity (somewhat mockingly I presume) but want Rangers to bypass NINE current division 2 teams who didn't get relegated, where's the integrity in that.
Also (yet again) what should happen to Queen of the South then? They as champions surely merit a promotion too?
What happened to "we are happy to work our way up through the divisions?" First sniff of a shortcut and you try and manipulate it and point out it's benefits for other (the main and only beneficiary being yourselves (the Rangers way, arguably).
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1) UEFA have nothing to do with them playing in top division, they cannot play in Europe for three years.
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So you talk about how the Scottish football is bad to watch or overall yet it makes it on th across the sea more often then before and showing all clubs and not just the old firm clubs like in the past. So it is good as more clubs feel like they can win something, yet you the rangers fans say it horrible when it is your own club that is and you just lump all spl clubs in it. Going by what you say how after 40 years you don't go any more because it is bad, double standars as per with your club eh
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Think you are wrong about the nonsensical reconstruction going ahead, do not see it, next year anyway, but spot on about standard and money issues, add fact there is zero competition and pathetic highly paid hierachy, and guess what we are heading very quickly for the abyss.
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OP after everything that has happened your mindset is truely awful and wrong. Looking to, without sporting merit, jump over higher placed clubs. Wrongful, dishonest, undeserving,.
Why? Why would TRFC DESERVE THAT?
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@3' that's wrong. All clubs need a UEFA licence to play in their countries top league. And again, three years audited accounts are required.
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Yes 7 but the rules go onto state that football associations can nominate a club to be eligable for a european licence without the 3yrs accounts.
Had green put us under an existing company which had 3years audited accounts, eventhough they would totally be irrelated to football. Would th club of been eligible for europe next season had they won the scottish cup?
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6) open your eyes mate, crowds are dwindling, fans are leaving in their droves, clubs are in trouble and one of the two attractions in the Scottish game are not there. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot. They would deserve that because they provide 40% of the fans that go to football in this country. You talk about sporting merit, you tell me what a club that attracts 25 people and two dugs has more merit than a club than can take 150,000 people to a game. Does a club in div two that has been there for years with no ambition to go any higher, have more merit?
If you want sporting merit, then let's have a play off of those involved. There is no sporting merit and no sporting integrity anywhere in this country. It is look after yourselves and have a kick at the bully when he's down. It is nothing other than sheer disdain of the biggest and most successful club in the country. You couldn't beat us on the park, so you take the chance by any other means.
Well you and your likes will sit back and watch the game die, as long as you can have a pop at Rangers.
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7) explain then why the SPL clubs wanted us in div one? Explain why Doncaster wanted us in div one?
We're they going to deny us entry into SPL after winning div one?
Of course not, actually denying promotion for winning the league that sounds familiar.
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9) So big clubs deserve better treatment? Is that really what you are saying? Where does that end, an extra five minutes for an equaliser, the ball getting tossed back into the pot if they don't like the draw? You said "talk about shooting yourselves in the foot. " A gun reference, such as Smith&Wesson. Well here's the two names most accountable for where Rangers are, Murray&Whyte.
Gaz
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N11 celtic scored their winner at the weekend in the 94th min bigger teams thing
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Yes Gaz we know that thanks, the point is both are away, Scott free. The rest us, we suffer.
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OP a FEW vociferous fan's I think you need to wake up and smell the coffee, maybe you should have asked Mr Murray where the money was coming from to sign all these player's, no you just basked in the glory, you don't care about the people your old team duped out of their hard earned cash but have the cheek to talk about other team's Chairmen because they had the audacity to listen to their team's supporter's.
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21 Mar 2013 15:59:24
Well done to east stirlingshire for suspending the person who thinks its acceptable to mock the ibrox disaster.
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How can anyone disagree with this?!?
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Suspension? If it is proven to be him, seems there is proof his account was hacked, he should be drummed out the game everywhere. If not him, whoever posted it should be hunted down.
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N2 why would anyone hack into his account he is unknown its not like he is a superstar renaldo or the likes cheers
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21 Mar 2013 18:05:56
stop begging sally if you need into second tier so badly just tell the truth its because you want more income, none of this pish that you deserve it, when you really deserve to be out the game, remember the old saying we are happy to work our way back to spl we don't want any favours well its like this any fast tracking will only further push you away from beig accepted again and also the scottish game will suffer more because many fans will never set foot in another ground again,
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Yes and we were happy to work our way back to the SPL until the lawwell lead SPL decided to change the goal posts. Why shouldn't we be promoted we have won the league we were in (not in the best fashion I have to admit)
As for being accepted, by who the eastenders who in the name of "sporting integrity" threatened other SPL chairmen.
Go back to your own site and start the boycott propaganda but rest assured wherever our team play the fans will go. PB
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Who wants acceptance. not me, never, never, never. Les
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Rangers were put into bottem league and told they would need to win premotion themself to get back to top league now people are suggesting their premotion should be from bottem league to another bottom league that must seem strange to any person even to the least intelligent people cheers
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I don't care if no team ever accepted us again at the end of the day we are the biggest team in scotland we done nothing wrong. when we win the 3 divison we should be moved up a league end off. so stop worrying about our team stop talking about our team and get on supporting your team
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@3: or promotion from the fourth tier to the third.
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The media must be desperate for stories from Ibrox. I read the exact same blurb earlier this week with the same quotes attributed to Green. I guess Ally is Green's puppet.
Al
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During restructuring TRFC will be promoted one league closer to the top. Third tier. The problem seems to be TRFC don't like all other fourth tier clubs being promoted with them. Come on your going to be playing 8 new div2 teams!
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@ PB' You remember and check under your bed. Lawwell might be there as well! Pathetic.
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3) Rangers were not "put in the bottom league" TRFC entered Scottish football by applying to SFL for entry. SFL voted and allowed TRFC into SFL div3. Green and McCoist went on TV thanking SFL for allowing them entry.
Nowhere in SPL or SFA records is it recorded RFC was relegated. Because RFC was not relegated.
All of the above is honest and factual.
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@1 EH Dundee United?
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N3 and9 ok we started in bottom league but can either explain how any team can get premoted to the bottem cheers
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21 Mar 2013 13:47:29
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just a thought with all the colt discussion in the papers, why don't rangers and celtic try and put colt teams into the conference in England and work through the leagues that way? ah know daft idea but still an idea ;)
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Celtic have a team in the next gen tournament. Their youth teams regularly play against EPL youths and reserves. They have also stated they are not interested in the idea, despite what Mr Longmuir may say.
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@1, as well they get invited to all the prestige tournies and they are part of the founders and starters of the next gen tourny
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When will people put this stupid idea that Rangers or Celtic, be it first teams or colt teams will gain admission to the English Conference leauges? There is a pyramid system which is long established and works and the respective teams know what is required to gain promotion through the various leagues to climb the pyramid. Be it Mansfield, Ebbsfleet, Braintree, Farmbourough, Dorchester or even the Met Police, I cannot envisage them voting "colt teams" from Scotland to join there pyramid system.
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21 Mar 2013 13:37:47
maybe if the young players at rangers didn't keep opening their mouths to the papers and telling them how great they are people wouldn't get on their backs so much. its annoying fans that these kids who really shouldn't be near the rangers team are strolling about in fancy cars and fancy yellow boots and diamond earrings and stupid haircuts earning fortunes when they are just not worth it. {The Ed039's Note - Harsh)
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Yes HARSH BUT SPOT ON {The Ed039's Note - What difference does it make whether they have their hair a certain way, earings or a flash car. I know young boys who ARENT footballers and act that way. I am afraid it is a sign of the times)
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I would doubt that any of the young players at Ibrox drive "fancy cars". I agree with the boot nonsense though, for all ages, it is ridiculous now
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Well Nike & Adidas Puma & the rest keep making better boots just like everything else and guess what people want to have the best unfortunately it doesn't all come in plain black. They can afford it they're making a very good living obviously there going to be flash! I really do think the model Young footballer of the world right now is Alex Oxlade Chamberlain seems a very modest & humble young man well spoken never seems to come across cocky or arrogant really is a wonderful player tell you what they definately do something right at Southampton because the talent to come out of there youths in the past 5 years has been nothing short of excellent.
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@OP & 2, Where do you buy black boots these days? Football boots come in many colours these days with black being in the minority. Get over it.
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@4. I posted @2. Where did I mention black boots? So your point is what?
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Original poster here and also while i'm at it long sleeeve shirts bloddy gloves, snoods and worst of all the persons who wear there socks above their knees like a pair of sussies.
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@6: short sleeve shirts with gloves because fingers are more susceptible to cold than arms.
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What an absolute joke that you are all arguing about the colour of the players boots! Who cares? Why is it relevant what colour their boots are?
Get a grip.
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@5 So it's just "fancy yellow boots" you take exception to, since you stated that you agreed with the OP on the "boot nonesense". Accept my apologies. However, I think you have more to worry about than the colour of the boots worn by your "stars".
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@8 It is indeed relevant--- It signifies the pampered individuals we now have in the game--pink, yellow etc boots, not to mention all the other 'must haves' of todays players. How the game has changed and not for the better. They are more bothered with hair styles etc than playing their heart out as in days past. I know I sound like your granddad but I have been watching the game for years and there is just not that toughness around these days
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I wouldn't care if they were wearing freakin flip flops as long as they play good football which they clearly aren't doing as in my opinion even the u 19 should be able to beat teams like queens park and east Stirlingshire 2-0 or 3-0
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@6 Did Mc Gregor, Bougera and a few others around that time not wear their sock's like sussies did not see you complaining then, think your a bit jealous, lighten up
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I have always hated that stupid look and yes I did say it then.
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21 Mar 2013 13:29:29
League reconstruction question to the bears.
I've been thinking.
Are rangers wanting fast tracked cause the 12 12 18 might be a struggle for them? They haven't really set a light that league as it is anyway?
As it stands it would be everyone in division 3 and Albion rovers, east fife, Stranraer, Ayr utd, stenhousemuir, Arbroath Forfar & Brechin
So again new league set up:
9 old teams 8 new team and rangers?
And if they get fast tracked its either puts out Alloa or QOS?
As it stands QOS & Alloa would go into the division in new middle league so why should rangers get one of their poistions?
It's like the current division 1 leaders coming into the spl and taking motherwells place in Europe?
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So you are a gent so full of integrity and believing final table positions meaning something, what's the logic then in say Airdrie and Dumbarton to finish bottom but do not get relegated?
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Great point no 1, why should clubs that have been mince and can't win a game retain a place in same league, there should be a play off situation regarding bottom clubs and top clubs of leagues
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We shouldn't be fast tracked into the middle tier however the reconstruction shouldn't happen this season and Rangers should be promoted to the 2nd division. Any reconstruction should follow the season after so all teams are aware of what's happening before the season starts.
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Let's be honest about, if we were in the SPL just now and peterhead won the 3rd division would we be campaigning to get them into the middle league, we can't just jump 8 teams in division 2 to get to the middle league.
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The reconstruction should not take place this year. As a Celtic supporter I do believe it would be unfair for the Rangers to stay in division 3. Let the Rangers have the promotion to division 3 of the old set up and then reconstruct the leagues for the 2014/2015 season which would put the Rangers in the second tier for that season.
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I think it will go ahead tbh but prime example of rushing teams are Dundee. They budgeted for division 1 football then get put into the spl now by the look of it they will be back in division 1.
My main point is Charles green is greetin about playing the same teams over again while he's not mentioned playing 8 new teams?
I would like rangers in the spl however I think they would struggle big time.
It's also a fair point about who gets relegated? Tbh when I see the topic league construction I just switch off. it would be a bad move doing it this season
Lenny
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3) aye ok Charles or is it Ally? That delivers yir bonuses that does.
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A few days ago why the hurry for n3 exactly I myself posted much the same
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N3 exactly I posted much the same point a few days ago why the hurry for league reconstruction cheers
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21 Mar 2013 12:51:09
sandaza should have his contract ripped up. Discussing contracts with 'agents' while under contract is against the laws of the game. he has been awful, why would he think any club would be looking at him.
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Hope this is our chance to get rid of a failure an utter failure. Les
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Sandaza is protected by employment law and I am guessing that it won't be as straight forward as just ripping up his contract. To try and do that could involve a long drawn out court battle which could cost the club a few quid or they could pay him off which again would cost the club a few quid. Neither option will be cheap and we aren't in position to waste any more money. It's likely that he will be told to find a new club in the summer but even with no transfer fee who is going to pay him £4. 5k a week after the season he has had
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@2; I would think he is in breach of contract by telling a third party the figures involved.
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@3 only if the figures are 100%correct.
Doubt RFC will want to confirm that so both will carry on like it did not happen, but it does lift the lid on what's happening at ibrox at the mo.
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Leave it out. Do you honestly think the lad came to play in the 4rt tier of Scottish football for anything else than money. All he is guilty of is be nieve.
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@3 don't think it's in breach of contract telling anyone what you are earning or the details. Really don't think Rangers can just terminate his contract based on that telephone conversation. If Rangers get rid of him it will cost them plenty of cash. Cash we just don't have
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Looks like he does not have agent. ? or is Mr Green his agent in this deal?
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@3 you might be right however these kind of things are very complicated and I doubt it will be straightforward as that. My point is I think it's a lose lose situation for Rangers unless a miracle happens and someone else is daft enough to give my a contract
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If I remember correctly, was Sandazas father not acting as his agent when we signed him? Could explain why he didn't think it odd that an "Agent" get directly in touch with him.
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21 Mar 2013 10:31:57
I get that we have a few issues with the quality of player inour squad this season but let's look towards next season for the moment.
So far (if rumours are to be believed) we have 2 players heading towards Govan so far.
1) Cammy Bell. If this is to replace Alexander then this will reduce wages and squad age.
2) Jon Daly. As far as I can see he is a straight swap for Kevin Kyle. He is a bit younger, less injury prone and a better player.
These 2 deals won't represent a great hike in wages (less if Alexander leaves) and an improvement in the squad quality and reduce the squad age. All of these are positives.
If we can do a few more deals of this ilk having done the necessary in winning promotion it bodes well to continue our move up the ladder.
Bluegenius {The Ed039's Note - These are far from being done deals)
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Daly a straight swap for Kyle? Financially Daly will be on a lot more than £85,000 pa. I would think he will be looking for a three year deal as well.
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I am not that encouraged by the fact we are rumoured to be in the hunt to sign Jon Daly. The reasons been for 1. he is 30 years old with no real sell on value (we should be looking at younger players), 2. he is the same type of player as kevin kyle. I think we have watched enough route one football without bringing in another target man so ally can keep his tactics of lumping high balls up the park. {The Ed039's Note - He has a bit more to his game than hoof it up the park to him to be fair, I dont think he is a bad player either, I would rather a youngster got a chance or someone working their way through the divisions rather than another Sandaza type mercenary)
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Yes your right but they won't come cheap
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Does Daly arriving put the age of the squad back up?
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I agree that youngsters are important but a healthy mix of experience and up and coming is essential. Not every player needs a sell on value. We are not paying thru the nose to sign these guys. I know we won't get money back for Daly but a 2-3 year deal will see him bolster us as we move up the divisions and if he moves on after that's ideal.
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@5. The problem now is Daly knows sandazza's deal. You can bet he wants more than that. He has knocked Hibs back on a four grand a week pre contract.
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@6. Yeah I can see that being a new stumbling block. He may not see hibs as any different to Dundee Utd tho. Why change? At least at Gers there's something to play for. Promotions, large crowds and if still here a tilt at the SPL!
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21 Mar 2013 09:41:49
Orite lads I was down watching Rotherham United not long back as the wife supports them they have a striker Nardiallo this guy has a lot more to offer than daly and also Tom Hateley of Motherwell a right back similar to lee Wallace very much attack minded {The Ed039's Note - Nardiello has had 12 clubs in 10 years, never been able to settle and never been able to set any club alight. Not saying he wouldnt do a job, just saying I personally would prefer Daly to him, and considering I am not keen on Daly that is saying alot)
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What about Tom Pope of Port Vale Ed? Lol
Larky Bear {The Ed039's Note - Has a decent record in league 2, but he is another lanky target man, signed a new contract until 2015 as well so isnt really an option until transfer emargo is lifted (ie, next January), would command a decent fee and knowing our scouting network, is probably not even on Neil Murrays radar. I would imagine if/when he does move on he would like a decent wage as well)
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Yeah I understand that Ed & ure right about Murray I know we can't afford these guys even if we could we wouldn't be looking at them no doubt. It's been a weird old couple of seasons it's hard to think who we will actually be looking at nowadays just hope it's outwith the SPL. See Popes name pop up regularly on GSS also the Vale winger think its Jenson Myrie-Williams or something like that. Suppose it should be younger guys with more of a sell on value we should be looking at but imagine the Pope playing for Rangers lol
Larky Bear {The Ed039's Note - Myrie-Williams was on loan at Dundee United a couple seasons ago and has a trick or 2)
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I can see why you lol larkey, wouldn't sell many shirts with his name on the back. shammy
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@4 i'd buy one to prove a point. However I don't live in Glasgow lol. CheltBlue
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@4 No, unfortunately I do and you couldn't walk around in that shirt I can tell you
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21 Mar 2013 08:16:00
Heard a rumour that Charles green is looking to sell club.
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Sandazza exooses that £10 million warchest is spent already on players here, each on £1 million 4 year deals
so 10 players and warchest empty.
this the real truth about green, bears fear the worst
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Sandazza is on £4500 per week. A good bit short of a million.
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We'll wait and see what cg's agenda is but what scares me about the whole sandaza thing is the money he is going to earn of us. he's on 4. 5k pw this season rising to 10k pw in yr4. reasonable to assume them he'll be on 6. 5k and 8. 5k pw in the middle years. That means by the time we finish our first spl season (as things stand) this guy will be 32 and have cost us over £1.5m. If black, sheils, templeton, cribari, faure are on similar deals that's £10m. Someone needs to open up on what these guys are getting paid. {The Ed039's Note - Unfortunately thats something that isnt going to be opened up on, deals are confidential between the club and the player, sure someone always finds out, but you are not going to have someone come out and fill you in on these details)
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21 Mar 2013 10:34:03
Green ain't looking to sell till Champions league music is heard at Ibrox so your pathetic rumor is just made up mince
to all bears
Keep calm and keep trusting Charles Green.
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@2 its simple maths, 4 year deal
year 1 £4. 5kx52 = £240,000
year 2 £5k x52 = £250,000
year 3 £6k x52 = £312,000
year 4 £10kx52= £520,000
am pretty sure that adds up to more than £1 milllion, note if he leaves early/fired gets payoff of up to half this total.
its no - lose for sandazza - £1m easy money, only last year against any real opposition.
keep up @2. Green did this at sheffield, very expensive players on long deals, by time green had fled, club was stuffed with junk expensive players, same old same old, if you only hear for quick buck, and green leaves before spl return - he makes a killing and gers fooked (again)
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@5. You should get a better figure on the wages when the audited accounts are published. Not exact, but good guess work will have you in the ball park.
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@6 thanks, but note sandazza taped call gives the outline figures for 4 year deal. This explains some what why people signing with rangers in div (and its not for the badge) but for a £1m payoff no matter what.
Green has brought in players, but in clearly unsustainable fashion - but if his thinking is all short-term this explains why.
So this years accounts for 1st players will be depressed, but if these ramp up in year2/3/4 any loss now gets worse not better.
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21 Mar 2013 01:24:30
There seems to be a pattern to recent posts regards present young rangers players, the "Greek, French, etc at not being at the standard expected at rangers?
1. Tell me what is the standard required for div 3, 2 and 1 players? Surely if a team wins a league there players must be at a level higher than the competitors! then the standard of players increases as you gain promotion each year
2. Cast your minds back, remember Burke, Charlie Adam, Shinnie, McCormack, big sponge bob all rated not "rangers class" Even Alan Hutton got pounded for this before his wonder 1 1/2 seasons which earned him his 8mill move, how many fans would love to have at least 3 of them back now? Yes hypocrites
3. sure get rid of the ones like sandaza, cribri, black etc We have 2-3 seasons to build a really young team play them and get behind them, young players need confidence, support, who knows maybe one of the french or Greek guys could be another Alan Hutton or Charlie Adam if played
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Good points raised and a refreshing post. Going by the pasting many of our young players got in the past and current youngsters now, too many Rangers fans must be amongst the most crititical of their players anywhere in the world. I recall Steven Davis rating Shinnie very highly in training. Another one lost. I'd like to see us get Rhys McCabe and Danny Wilson back in a season or two.
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But if they loose all cup competitions thr level they at is the league they in only. {The Ed039's Note - Erm, what?)
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Gers only div3 standard at present as only competition level they winning at.
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Haha are you joking the reason young players at rangers have been getting slagged is because we have the best facility in scotland and we still are producing rubbish players. as for hutton yeah he's done really well every club he's been at since has dropped him like a hot brick and wilson are you kidding he was so lucky to get his move to liverpool because of dalglish and look at him now. get a major grip
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If there is one pattern I've witnessed this season it is Rangers fans calling these guys "the Greek, the French" etc. If Arvaladze and Khizanishili were easy enough to remember then why not this lot?
Gaz {The Ed039's Note - Because they are rotten Gaz? I feel sorry for Faure because people are making the assumption having not really seen much of him through a few niggling injuries)
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I know there names and after big Seb scored about a month ago I hoped he'd become a decent player for us he certanly came with potentially a higher Calibre than that big brazillian dud & argentyriou Lol
PS Arveladze was a great wee player really liked him bit of an unsung hero like Papac!
Larky Bear {The Ed039's Note - His goal in Copenhagen in Champions League qualifier was a peach and the extra time goal against Celtic at Ibrox will always stick in my mind, mosty because the big nutter that used to sit in front of me in the East Enclosure belted me in the face (by accident ..... maybe) when it went in)
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I honestly don't know myself Ed but it does seem to be the most common name for some players in this site (ie their nationality). Been a number of rotten players over the years, ordinarily they are names you don't forget lol. Maybe lack of names on shirts? Just a guess.
Gaz {The Ed039's Note - I do think it is a bit ignorant, and I have probably been guilty of it myself, but I think people want to disassociate themselves from them because they have been pretty poor)
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Honestly. is it really a problem?
I post 'The Greek' simply because I cannae say his name, never mind spell it! Therefore, I cannae even google him to find out the spelling!. it's a linguistic nightmare which I cannae be arsed addressing when posting on a wee forum.
. If The Greek cannae be arsed putting a shift in on the park or training after 12pm then I cannae be arse figuring out how to spell his name.
Baybear (Still cannae log in at work) {The Ed039's Note - Are you sure you just cant be arsed logging in at work BB? Joke BTW .........)
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Lol. aye Ed. busted!
Given how much I post during working hours you can gauge how much I can be arsed working anaw! {The Ed039's Note - Get back to it then)
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Naw, it's after 12pm and I'm away to Nandos. then I've got a heavy afternoon of tweeting ahead ;)
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N1 I wouldn't be surprised to see wilson back at rangers for next season as I think hearts only gave him a contract till the end of this season cheers {Ed001's Note - he is still a Liverpool player, just on loan to Hearts for the season.}
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21 Mar 2013 01:09:08
Just seen gazza on tv, glad to see him a bit better & here's hoping it continues, L1888
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Why woulnt people want to see him recover. I know we shouldn't bite, but there are sone sad individuals who go on these pages. Then gain there are also some fat fingered phone users!
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21 Mar 2013 00:25:33
if green keeps paying the type of wage sandazza is on then our club is going to be in big trouble once again only diffrence is we won't have quality players like we had before we will be left paying the price to watch the likes of black sheilds sandazza cribari alexander all players on very good wages who don't justify there wage with performances in big trouble if we get to spl and these players are all sitting on 10k a week plus what ever summer free transfers we bring in its just pure madness players only coming for the wage we need fighters at our club not bottlers who don't play together
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He will be sacked
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20 Mar 2013 23:36:32
Time for Charles Green to show his true colours. Now that the troubleshooters are at Ibrox, will CG stand by the people who, even though they lost money, stuck by the club when they went into Liquidation. Mr Green once said he didn't t stab people in the back. He stabbed them in the front so they could see it coming!
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What are you on about? Former shareholders? Debenture holders? Fans? And who are the troubleshooters?
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Troubleshooters have been brought in this week to go over all the outgoings and already long term servants are leaving and others are concerned over their positions, including staff and previous creditors who are currently still with the club!
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21 Mar 2013 01:32:25
@2 where did you hear this? Trouble shooters? Like, financial experts?
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If it's true he has called in financial experts, and I have not seen or heard anything of this, then it's not a good sign. I have always been of the opinion that if you need a "consultant" someone is not doing their job.
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Troubleshooters aye let's all remember its a rumour site or in some cases a wind up site cheers
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