Rangers Banter Archive August 22 2012

22 Aug 2012 22:30:44
So it seems the £10 million Ashley investment was more fiction from the record.He will not be investing,just another deal similar to the old jjb for his sports direct company.Or is Charlie being economical with the truth again?

I think that was made pretty clear?
Ashley pays about £2 million for about 10% worht of shares then we get extra money from shirts etc, which are sold with the help of his company.
Why would one guy pump £10 million into us?

I think u will find that rangers online no longer selling rangers strips but sports direct are in shops down south now.which they never before so me thinks mike ashley has invested

Never was £10m, the deal incorporates sportsdirect selling shirts etc and the deal will be concluded over the next week. The figure is around £2m for 10% shares.

Ashley paid 2ish million into the coffers for a 10% stake, plus a much better deal from Sports Direct, where Rangers get a say in costs and design etc. Also if you buy from the Rangers Megastore or Rangers online store all the money goes directly to Rangers.
He's obviously not going to pour money in OP, like your wee saviour who when he gets bored or kicks it you'll all be in trouble. It's a long term sustainable deal bringing in cash.

Must have missed the £10 mill announcement!!
1.) spot on.

bil72

Who claimed Ashley would just pump 10 million into the gers. Never mind Charles green ur talking Barry white

Post 1/ It seems a whole new company has been set up between Greens consortium and Sports direct specifically for this venture.No mention in Newcastle of Ashley investing anything.Why set up a new company?

Ashley was never pumpin in £10m and Green never said he was so calm down and review what is actually happening as positive

OP do you always believe what you read i the record? they never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Green has stated many times that he will not sell more than 10% to any individual, work it out 10M would have bought just under 200% considering what was paid to take over the assets from the PLC

JG

Internet bampots have now uncovered that JJB had image rights to shirts and bade, now SportDirect gets the lion share of shirt sales, and gers left with little or nothing and yet another new company RangersRetail.... green is the money, GERS future short revenues gone for a burton.

fans fund directors pockets, not player investments.

Post 4; Might i suggest you do some research.The deal has been set up through a new company merging sports direct people and Greens consortium.So it appears any cash will be going through this company before The rangers see it.Never mind im sure Charlie will tell you all the figures involved soon eh?

22 Aug 2012 21:41:48
ki is just the beginning over the next three years more rats will desert the sinking ship.without rangers who will want to play in a one team league. and before u start, i would say the same if positions were reversed and we were winning without a sweat. no one in scotland wins in the current situation. no one

Champions League prospects holding no attraction to them then? Nor silverware and a good wage, you've just saw over a team worth of your players bail to line their pockets and you don't grasp the money concept yet, deary me.

Im going to disagree, and the simple reason is Europe, scottish football has been p1sh for years, but you can still attract players through the promise of european fitba. Very few of the top old firm players over the years go onto play for top teams who play in champions league year in year out.

Here we go again without rangers blah blah blah . Naismith , McGregor , Whittaker , Davis , Aluko rats deserting a sinking ship......DH

A think you'll find that you are woefully incorrect there Willy. There is indeed a winner and it's definitely not you.

Sinking ship? Get real, we're just about to qualify for the cl which is going to pump 3x more into our coffers than what CG paid for oldcos assets. No debt, money in the bank, champions league football and total domination of domestic football on the horizon. Aye a can see the logic in thinking every player will be wanting out such a dire situation.

Mikey Bhoy

Spl and div 1 fans won....they never wanted a newco in their league,ask any div 3 fan or div 3 chairman.....bigger crowds they won,rangers fans wanted div 3.....cheaper tickets and sticking 2 fingers up to the rest of scotland....they won.

Few celtic fans are worried about ki leaving. The gap is widening even without ki. It will soon need NASA communications for ibrox to contact cp.

Mikey Bhoy - you're deluded if you think Oldco was the only football company to get into debt. Even Lennon is talking about the fact that the CL money will be used to pay off debt.
I don't think everyone will jump ship at Celtic since they do have CL football most likely for this year plus the prospect of winning a couple of domestic trophies. But... Celtic fans should realise that Old Firm games are what have enticed many players to Scotland over the years, for both sides of the Old Firm.
Regardless of whether Celtic players choose to jump ship or not is irrelevant as some will be pushed off as Celtic is now a selling club (just like we were in the SPL).

"The Rangers" itself or it's fans didn't get any choice where it started its existence!

Celtic no debt? why did lennon say that the money for ki would be used to pay some of the debt then?

And what exactly will any Scottish team achieve in Europe. Op is right in that in the big picture, no one wins with an undoubtedly weaker league. That's obvious to any bird-brain. The NASA satellite required to get to porkheid can get tested out there as Celtic somehow try to stay in touch with the three vastly superior teams they'll get drawn in a cl group with in a few weeks- BIG PICTURE. :-)

@5 - how much do you know about the company you support, your companies last interim report stated the debt was 7M and 6 month operating cost were 28.5m you are going to need that CL money

JG

I truly don't get why the rangers fans and I'm a true blue myself even respond to the septic wind ups they clearly hold a soft spot in there hearts fir our club commendable I say,there teams doing well and they still come on here.tragic very tragic!!

Firstly, if you are going to leave a reply to me at least write your name at the end of it. Secondly, at least have the courtesy of reading my post before you reply with a load of garbage. Where in my post does it say anything even slightly resembling that oldco were the only football club to be in debt? With the sale of Ki and at least £15m most likely coming in from CL then Celtic will be debt free. NL is not stupid, if he states that he will have 'x' amount to spend then other clubs are going to bump up their prices, if he says it is most likely going to pay off the debt then no1 knows how much we have aside for transfers.

Mikey Bhoy

RE 10...if you bothered to read my post properly or got a responsible adult to read it out to you you would know i said 'no debt, money in the bank, champions league football and total domination of domestic football on the horizon'....on the horizon meaning something which is about to happen i.e £6.3m for Ki plus £15m+ from champions league qualification which i'm sure most of you agree in all probability is going to happen.

Mikey Bhoy

22 Aug 2012 21:01:39
I dont think we would have came through this without ally fighting for our club, so dont forget he give up his pay to keep Rangers alive.

You're having a laugh mate. It was Ally's inexperience as a manager that got you pumped out of Europe and caused you a shortfall in million which in turn put you into adminstration and then liquidation.

I think if it wasnt for all the trouble off the pitch he would have been sacked.dont forget this is also the man who advised against buying a season ticket . tulip

Yeh and now hes on 30k a week Aww poor Ally

Remember that time Ally had a 15 point lead in the SPL !! Lol

He's woeful though he might just have found his level in division 3, the resident rabal rouser, where his wicked comments don't see the light of day.

McCoist should have never been given the job he has no f***ing idea about football, just watch the look on his face during the games, he is way over his head and he knows it fully well, he's just milking us like Bain & co. He can't even dominate a div 3 game with half a team of internationals, he should walk now or be sacked, this is not acceptable.

@5. When you applying for his job then mate?

Original Poster. Please realise this. Ally McCoist takes over a million pounds plus a year from Rangers. The Club cost Green 5 million. I must be bad with my sums as I think we at Rangers are getting stuffed. 8 million gate money, that is all we have (maximum) and a few quid on nylon tee-shirts with transfer on labels. we are screwed. 10 million a year is still missing, this is admin again.

22 Aug 2012 20:14:07
Do you think McFadden would come.... I've heard a few routers but don't know if he would come......

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
G x

Do routers make a noise? mine is quiet and does the job fine.

If you pulled him enough he probably would! L1888

A truly horrible image 3. He's ugly enough! Don't need to imagine his "war face"!

22 Aug 2012 19:33:32
can anyone tell me what our wage bill is now traynor in the DR says it down to less than £7m a year,i cant see that big lee must be on £20k,or a 1/7th of our total wage bill. Add the back 4 and a goalie all internationists,ally and all the back room staff all the other players,then from chef to cleaners and office staff-just cant see it being under £7m does anyone know ????

Big lee is on 6k a week thats from the man himself

Ive been saying this for ages mate, season book money is approx £8m (bearing in mind the vat man gets £2m from the £10m), wages must be at least £8m + rates, electric, police etc etc. Shouldnt we be worried as to who the backers are, what if admin happens again?. I just dont buy into this everything going to be alright, if we survive the year, I see years of stagnation, billionaires do not throw money away without a return. I would prefer green to be talking like an accountant, cutting costs etc instead of trying to play to the masses, talking cr@p about bigotry, billionaires, and 20 odd players that played in the euros. He is taking us all for idiots and I think he may be right assuming that. jock.

But remember, if he takes home £6000,then it will cost the club £12,000. jj

McCoist is getting his £1m plus, his entire coaching staff and scouts are on a fortune and the club has to pay NI and PAYE. Then there's Directors, senior management and 200 other employees. Then the bills. Of those 276 creditors, those services still need to be paid.
Then there's the outstanding debts. Including £3m for English and European teams.
Whyte and Ticketus in the shadows.
The debt to green and his investors.
As soon as he creams in ticket money and shares issue he'll bale out before Xmas and sell for £5m to McColl.

22 Aug 2012 18:51:08
fair enough making big money against these teams but we had more fans at a third division game than use he had at unfurling the league flag for the first time in 4 yyears . and goin by ur defensive performance last nite any team thats decent will take atleast 2 or 3 off use will be very amusin to watch i can see it being the worst champions league points total ever

Your correct in saying that if Celtic play like they did for 25minutes in the first Half then we would get punished but we are 2 games into our league campaign so we will improve. Lowest points for champions league was held by the dead club for a while im sure so you can't have a dig at anyone. I suppose for you watching any football would be better than 3rd div or ramsdens cup football. But it's all about the European nights at Celtic park and of course the lovely £15m-£20 m banked.

Briggs

Your quite correct sir, you did have a higher attendance for a third division game. I can't for the life of me understand why you would wish to remind yourself that you are in the third division other than you are forgetful.
It is however more likely that you sir are a fool.

Sir Chestnut Walsey

Dear dear,how very twisted you must be.Show us the money.Third place and a drop to Europa will do us fine.What would Green give to access£14-17 million?Chin up though eh?

The worst points total is 0 and you can't get any worse than that.

Thanks for your concern it's nice to know that some the rangers fans are worried about celtics predicament, we are in a bit of a mess. I just hope we can get through these bad times

LOL......jealous much???

some defensive performance eh? 2 goals, 2 shots off the bar, and another 2 excellent efforts....the game could quite easily have been 4-4!

i cant believe an ex-bear is talking about performances in europe when ex-team were masters of 'dooring oot' games, or anti-football as barcelona and others called it. and i also believe that ex-team hold the current record for worst CL points total ever....so that'll be pretty hard to beat!

you all talk about obsession, and your post absolutely REEKS of jealousy, why can't you just enjoy your fish supper cup instead of getting all hot and bothered about what the big professional teams are doing?


taco

3 wins out of 3 in qualifying during early season what signs are there that we will lose every group game??

Op ... just pure jealousy anyway at least you got the ramsden cup and if you win it ramsdens might buy it back for a couple of quid

Shipped four goals in three games against Brechin City, Peterhead and East Stirling and rattles on about other teams defences. Laughable, truly laughable. Gonna have to try harder than that. And yes it is impossible to get less than zero points. You are showing promise for making less than zero sense however.

Lets see if these record breaking crowds last. I remember before the mighty sir david appeared at your doors with his wealth off the planet ragers home matches averaged 6000 so lets wait for 6 months, lets also point out there were at least £12000 under 16s at the record breaking game which is worth about £24000 income (maybe pay a couple of players wages for week). If your happier being in the sfl3 than playing in the champions league, then your a sad person indeed. (mr)

Things are really really bad at celtic. Weve just missed out on Fauré, surely worth 20m. Craig whyte has never as much as offered us even 1p to make us stronger like he did with you for a whole quid. Now we have the embarrasment of selling à player for more than your club is worth. Give us à break, we want Annan athletic too, not this champions league crap. Wre so p1ssed off that you have had it all.

Poster 11 ,pissed off ? ,oh you will need to have your annual shower then ,yes true things will get worse at celtic ,your 5th in league right now and going downhill ,not as easy as you thought eh doug t.s.o

22 Aug 2012 17:47:12
Why don't we try to sign james Mcfadden as he turned down motherwell

I think he would be a great signing... I just posted this 10mins ago before I read this. Heard he's a Celtic fan so dont knwif that might hinder it..

He would defo do a job for us, ony 29. Think he is a tim mind u!

@2 "think hes a tim mind you"? Get out the dark ages FFS its guys like you that is all that's wrong with Scottish football....clown!

Briggs

"think he is a Tim mind u" newco but still same old mentality . What does it matter who or what he supports . Didn't stop big Kyle from signing.......DH

22 Aug 2012 15:25:06
just reced a txt saying ashley ( newcastle) deal gone through, boyblue !!

22 Aug 2012 14:40:44
McFadden will not sign with Motherwell, I'd be very surprised if he doesn't end up at Rangers.

Nae chance old chap

Aye knock back spl and probably epl to play in division 3 no chance

22 Aug 2012 13:39:09
does anyone else think that craig whyte & Asil Nadir have a lot in common in terms of siphoning moneys from their own company.i really hope that we as rangers fans get the same commitment for justice as the polly peck got picked over with a fine-toothed comb

You never see them together. Seen thru green yet ? Hes a bad un just like whytie.
Got himself in a right old mess here. Beware october. Season ticket vat is due then. Hmrc watching like Hawks.

22 Aug 2012 12:15:57
I tought that playing one forward against Falkirk was pretty poor of Ally. Whats it going to be like when we play against some decent teams?

Give the guy a break, we won didnt we!

How we will meet decent teams in Dv3 and ramden cup ??? lol

Ally's the product of the master of defence smith. What do you expect? If you want a manager with attacking flair then I think we'll have to look elsewhere.

Blueice

It was a 4-4-2 with Sandaza and McKay up front.

Hes a master tactician dont u know timmy?

We won didnt we? Lets take one game at a time eh?

Decent teams like..... Berwick?

Funny you should say that cos I tought I taw a pussy cat.

Figaro

22 Aug 2012 05:45:08
does anyone else think our signing policy is all wrong.we should have had the full management team and scouts at the olymipic's looking at the under 23 players we could bring in for very little money and even less wages.look at the state we are in now,giving trailests players deals when they where not good enough for there old clubs.we had the chance to look at and get in young quality players that are playing for small clubs in there own counties that would have died for a chance at rangers (even in the 3rd division).apart from the brazilains we could have got any of the players on show.mexico,japan,south korea etc all had quality on show but we did nothing.its time for a overhall of the scouting and signing policy.we should be building a team for the next 2,3,4,5 years instead of just bring in players to get us through the next couple of years.this has to be the way forward as the money just will not be there to go out and buy new players every year especially when we get back to the SPL and we look to challenge every year and to have a good go in europe.look at celtic,there team(squad) is made up of players that are nearly all under 25.when lennon got the managers job he changed everything.lennon knew that he would not get big money for players so he bring in quality youngsters for around the world for next to nothing then if you have to sell them you get good money back.we should be looking to do the same. ger4life,ger4ever,long live rangers

Not signing in site ,all wage deals to freed players,what happened to the 19 players we were watching? Show the money Chuckie not all these empty promises

The players at the Olympics are budding internationalists , like Ki , whom command transfer fees like £7m-£8m.
Division 3 clubs cannot compete at this elite level, some would say its a big bhoys game.

You are 100% right but our managment team is not that smart.

We currently have a good crop of youngsters McKay,McLeod,perry,heggarty,shiells,little,hutton,I take your point and to a degree you have a point,but the young French boy and the argentine and Aussie may prove to be bargains give them time and a chance and you never know we may end up with some right good talented boys,we also need older heads seasons pros to help get the balance right no point throwing in a load of youngsters and saying go on win three consecutive campaigns sorry ain't gona happen.let's get through the next few years try and keep the books balanced get as far in cups as we can boost our revenue and then look at taking it to nxt level.anyway in 3 or 4 years with a bit of hard graft and a little lady luck we will be back in spl and the current youngsters will have devolped a team spirit and should know each others game inside out.once a ranger always a ranger.

OP - firstly only established international players are granted permits if they are from out with the EU, secondly where do we get money to pay transer fees and wages to established mexican, japanese, korean, etc, international players and thirdly what established international players want to play in div 3 in scotland.

The squad we have will take us to div 1 and hopefully a wee run in the cups then the team will be rebuilt again to take us to the spl

JG

My guess is that as agent Craig Mather supposedly put in a million to Rangers, he therefore probably gets to dictate that a percentage of his clients at Simply Sport Management get taken on at Ibrox, meaning there is little hope that many of the promising youngsters at Ibrox get their chance and Rangers scouts have little say in recommending signings.

Which is true stinks in my opinion.

BARNEY BEAR

Who knows all the trialists could all turn out to be Mervan Celiks, messi's of their countrys!

Matty Boy

Leeds, Lyon and Nantes could be wrong about Fauré.

21 Aug 2012 22:20:06
Celtic Football Club have won more in prize money (beating Helsinki, playing Real Madrid and Helsingborgs) than the Ibrox franchise will earn in prize money over the next half decade.

Who cares about Celtic

The floor is damp with the excitement this end.

Who's bragging about money now!

And your point is? What age are you? Why dont you just stay on you own page and enjoy this time with your own? Why are you even bothering with a 3rd div team that means nothing to you?

Perhaps. But that's purely as a result of the hatred from fans of Celtic and 10 other SPL clubs.

We didn't choose to be in the position we are in......you lot put us here.

TTG

Setting yourself up for a fall by braging like this.

Good for you
If it takes you lot another 4 years to qualify for CL then we could be joining you in it ;)

If so why are you wasting your time commenting on Rangers, good luck to Celtic, we are happy concentrating on rebuilding.

So you won prize money for a friendly with Real ?

They run on this site seeking approval like little kids awww bless...mark.

Pretty spectacular statistic don't you think?!?

Very true.
And at the same time Ibrox is packed to the rafters with people paying HALF what they would have paid last season.
Sustainable economics . . .
I suppose though, as long as Ticketus are getting their wad!

@TTG; Surely poor leadership put you where you are?.........Green jhedi

I presume this type of comment is served on all clubs at the bottom end of the league. Given we are a new club, according to the great unwashed, with no history, I wouldn't like to think we were being singled out ;-))

bil72

Don't forget we were all shouting to be there thinking we would be hurting the other clubs but still think we were wrong

@15 - not all of us were shouting to be there, i never ever wanted div 3

JG

Re: post no. 5 - so, it was "all of us" that put 'the Rangers' where you are? Absolutely astonishing abdication of responsibility.

Its going to get much worse at ibrox. In money terms celtic are in a different galaxy. Lets see If green makes the big october vat payment. Celtic fans are sucking it up alright, out of champagne glasses. Are sevco fans boycotting reality now ? Your team is in div 3 thru its own actions. Its about the debt!

21 Aug 2012 23:06:44
Thoughts on this team lads?

Alexander
Emilson Boca Faure Wallace

Black McCouloch
Sheils

Little Sandaza Mckay

IT certainly is a team comprised of current Rangers players.

Only one up front? lol
P.O.B.

I am not a fan of Wallace at all... 1.5 MIL for a very very average player. Fits in well in D3.

Like the look of wee sandy mckay ;-))

I think that team could do OK in Division 3.
Annan Athletic away could be tricky and Peterhead will always be a tough nut to crack....but I think you might manage to put up a brave challenge. Top 3 finish maybe?? lol lol lol

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

Who exactly IS sandy McKay then ?

P.O.B are you blind? Looks to me like a 4-3-3. What formation do Barcelona play? Is that one up front or three?

6)
The forward line FFS!

21 Aug 2012 23:01:39
Anyone know what's happened with club website?, links missing to buy strips n training gear?

21 Aug 2012 22:43:52
Great great result for scottish football tonight. Armageddon will just have to wait.

Briggs

Looked to me like a couple of pub teams. The champs lge is obviously a cash cow but it's no a great deal of fun when your team is way, way inferior to the three others in the group.

Was there anything to indicate that a scottish team were playing in that game? even your manager wears a ROI top

JG

Just wait for the pen shootout at pork heid. oh how ill laugh :)

Great result for your club. What shall i do? i know! Ill go onto Rangers rumours and try a bit of Bear baiting. Nothing else to do in your life. very sad.

@ 1).....I don't suppose you'll get the chance to see your team suffering such a plight for quite some time to come. Mind you, you did look inferior to Peterhead so maybe you do know what it means. How many millions are you gonna get for being in D3 this season?? lol lol

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

So briggs you do accept armagedon will happen at some point then ...mark.

Swedish champions & Finnish champions.... Pub teams? Just let your season unfold and you will see pub tems a plenty.

Briggs

@JG; ROI top? Or is it just the colours you maybe have a problem with?.........green jhedi

2.)
must have been confusing for anyone outside of this wee country - the lead up to the game showed huge tricolors and cutouts of shamrocks ffs!
the nelly appears with his tricolored tracky top (class!)

bil72

We have more scottish internationals in our first team than rangers will this season

@8 since when did your company colours become green, white and yellow then?

JG

@Bill72; The tricolour trim has been added to mark the 125 year celebrations.You see we have a genuine and very important link to Ireland,right back to the founder and the reasons for the club being born.You clearly have a problem with this by your bracketed use of the word class........green jhedi

@JG; See post 12.And it's Orange not yellow.......green jhedi

Green Jhedi, why is your link to Ireland 'very important'? It's the classic argument of 'oh we were the first British team to win the European Cup' but then at other times 'no we're not British we are an Irish club'. If you play in Britain you are a British team so why obsess with Ireland.

10.) We have more scottish internationals in our first team than rangers will this season

How many were there in the last game? One came on from Rangers and one came on from Celtic. Fail Fail

@post 14; Are you serious? Started to feed the starving Irish immigrant children by an Irishman and has carried an enormous % of who descend from the first fans.Just to put your mind at rest,we are a scottish club with strong links to Ireland. We were infact the first non latin team to win the Big Cup.

Poster 10 your strips are green and white or are they green and grey ? its make your mind up time folks lol doug t.s.o

Re: post 3 - are you now obsessed with Celtic?