Rangers Banter Archive July 22 2012

22 Jul 2012 21:04:36
If the SPL can't pay the £2million without media funds from rangers then can the SPL clubs license not be withdrawn for breach of contract?

big D

They can pay it, but it comes from Sky in first place and they are having to renegotiate that first.

The 2 million was agreed as payment from the media funds , no funds = no payment simple as that

I think the SPL should be forced into getting money from the 12 SPL clubs to make up the £2m, then they can wait for the Sky money.
After all, this money if not paid would be termed as a 'footballing debt' by the 12 clubs and could threaten the majority of clubs in Scotland if not paid.

Quite right big d and a lot of people on here seem to think the two million is for sfl tv rights ? well it isnt it was financial compensation for loosing the top teams income each year...mark.

22 Jul 2012 20:28:39
Can't believe the cheek of the spl still wanting to show rangers games to keep the sky deal and threatening to not pay the 2 million if sfl don't accept. They got their arse felt for threats the first time and hopefully will again and if not gers should veto the deals on the table.

They were all happy to take out the oldfirm fixture next season, the only fixture that gets global interest. Any Celtic fan that can say they are happy to pay 4 - 500 quid for a season ticket with no contest is either kidding themselves on. The next 3 seasons will be over by xmas but who wants to shell out their hard earned cash, prob just the green bridgade as they dont go for the football.

To 1), when you said "is either", I was kinda expecting a second option?!?!

22 Jul 2012 19:02:38
Rangers have no input or say on the independent committee and stripping of titles. This issue cannot be surrendered away AND allow Rangers into SFA membership. Its illogical.
This issue shouldn't even be put to the current The Rangers.
It's the old Rangers club under D&P being investigated and stripped of titles. Nothing to do with Green or Ally McCoist at all.

True but we get oldco punishments

MCcoist can say what he likes about stripping titles but the bottom line is clear - we do exactly what we are told or WE DON'T PLAY ever again !!
RIP Scottish football - if we go, it all goes - believe me

There being offered access to revised SPL/Sky deal as a sweetener to accepting dual contracts investigation and sanction and all Green can do is up the propaganda war to avoid by pretending the media rights is an issue not a benefit.

Maybe so but it's the so called new rangers that would incur the sanctions and penalties .

Poster 2 ,i think its time the cards were put on the table and call their bluff ,we will see who chickens out first ,the sfa have a lot more to lose than we have doug t.s.o

Scottish football wont die but the viewing will drop by at least 60 percent and we will be lucky to get 2 teams in europe. Leagues finished in 5-6 MONTHS dont gather interest or excitement but trying to tell celtic or spl fans this is like banging your head against a brick wall. Thank god sky has the premiership and la liga to keep us entertained next season or we may die of boredom.

Why do so many of us gers want DM stripped of his knighthood and yet we will not accept our being stripped of tainted titles, this looks as though we are happy to accept double standards. NO WE ARE NOT put knighthood and tainted titles in the bin where they belong.jaz rtid

22 Jul 2012 18:08:49
Napoli's president interested in buying gers Aurelio De Laurentiis is claimed to have told Italian media he is keen on purchasing the Third Division club. (Forza Italia Football) source stv website. *ksd*

Bit late with that 1 mate

Strange, his yesterday said he wasnt!

22 Jul 2012 17:01:15
I fear if sfa continue down the road they are going it will end up in the courtrooms leaving Scottish football in a bigger mess doesn't bare thinking about.

Can't be taken to court, if Sevco agree as condition of membership then it's above board. if they don't like it then don't sign and give up any chance of playing football. Totally legal, a bit like EBTs, its what you do with them that counts.

@1. And if they don't agree what then? Court is a good possibility.

They get what was coming to them then

The SFA a disgrace,sporting integrity my backside,Its all about the money,they are no better than the mafia,extorting money by menace,UEFA should be invited in to the situation,to see that the legalities are adhered to.I will never trust those blazer wearers again,shower of muggers.

@2 as I said if they don't agree they don't take up membership, simple as that and don't get to play football anywhere this season.

No# 5. It's extortion mate. or is that alright with you?

22 Jul 2012 17:00:56
Can we be clear on what's happening with the media rights. The SPL/SFA are having to renegotiate the contract due to Rangers moving to D3. Sky are insisting that any revised contract includes Rangers D3 games in the package. Rangers of course would benefit from revenue of any such deal irrespective of being in D3. So all the spout about SPL trying to rob/blackmail Green/Ally is crap and a smokescreen, the media rights sharing is a benefit not a sanction.

You're source on this?

Whilst it may be Sky's demand the SPL can say no due to their new found sporting integrity........oh hold on a minute......the SFL should not allow the SPL to dictate to them again, it's time to stand up for what is right for the game not the buffoons that run it nor the greedy teams that want their cake and eat it!

The SPL will demand the largest slice of revenue and the SFL would get peanuts. All to prevent their financial maelstrom heading their way. I hope the SFL have the balls to tell the SPL where to go as they should have the say on media rights within their own league structure. Blackmailing rangers should treated with the contempt it deserves.

Don't really think it's the robbing of Rangers that is in question,it's more the " if you don't agree to accept this SFL you ain't getting the 2 million that we agreed to give you" if you OP are happy with the way the SPL are conducting themselves in this I think you will find yourself in the minority

If sfl had tried to claim a percentage of tv rights when rangers were in spl you lot
would have been up in arms about it now that you are in sfl its only right

SPL need to tell SKY that new club in third div, The Rangers, is nothing to do with them anymore.
SPL executives should not be discussing rangers tv rights for sky on behalf of sky.
Sky need to get lost or talk to SFL themselves.

1) Neil Doncaster been quite clear on this point in his interviews last week.

SFL have invited companies to bid for tv rights for the SFL, mainly div 3. One of those bidders will be the SPL. Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.
The SPL have to negotiate their new contract with sky/espn, it is not signed.
The SFL should benefit along with RFC in getting their own deal and not via the SPL. The SPL are due to pay the SFL, I think £2m as agreed back at the split.

@5. thats the point rangers are in the sfl its the spl trying to take money away from sfl i for one hope they fail i do not want to give them one brown penny until we reach the spl again let them cut there cloth and live within there means for sporting integrity's sake alone...mark.

22 Jul 2012 16:46:33
Edd039 could you answer if all sanctions rangers have had 10 point deduction 3rd division,etc is mearly a formallity not a punishmemt as its a rule for everybody,yes harsh but proticol for ANY club,
The punishment was a fine & transfer embargo,
Which still means no punishment as yet, {Ed039's Note - The 10 point deduction was a consequence of going into administration, 3rd division was a decision made by the clubs. The transfer embargo and fine were punishments for bringing the game into disrepute)

Getting a vote into D3 was always best case surely? few other teams may have been looking at this place in D3? will the team have enough to start a new season really? where is the cash coming from to run this massive operation in said league? i cant see it happen, can you ed?

Shona Baird {Ed039's Note - We dont know what level of investment there is Shona which is why we all have our doubts, so if the investment is there then it is all fine and good, if its not then there will be more dark days ahead)

22 Jul 2012 15:40:41
Days ticking down to Rangers finally being out the game for good. Regan and Doncaster have played blinders with reverse logic, etc,...
I cannot believe Mr Almighty, Campbell Ogilvie, has sat back on his watch and done nothing for his club that gave him everything he has. Including an EBT.
I see Eck McLeish era titles are all at risk as he and his players were all working in Govan but being paid tax free from the channel islands.
Wonder what tax paying Govan welders in the shipyards think?

22 Jul 2012 15:18:28
does anybody know how much tickets for brechin is and where ill be able to get them?

william!

William, it was really nothing,,

You could get thier on your "punctured bicycle on a hillside far away."

22 Jul 2012 14:37:28
Just read Rangers beat Albion Rovers 5-1, just surprised at who turned out, Bocenegra, Edu, Bedoya, Mcculloch, Braodfoot and Goian. Thought most of these people had walked and why one week before we are due to kick a ball are they not giving the players who will be the team for the season a run out?
Does anyone like me believe we still may not be playing football as the SFA/SPL still argue the toss with Rangers??

They won't walk till they get a club to go to, as yet nothing has emerged, so they're staying put.

Reports earlier in the week indicated Goian had penned a two year deal with Eintracht Frankfurt ? Did this deal fall through or was it all just paper speculation ? R/R {Ed039's Note - He hasnt signed for anybody although his agent has permission to discuss terms with other clubs)

22 Jul 2012 12:01:18
Sky have removed all the spl fixtures from their live game listings

Go to bottom left of sky page and click SPL
You will find them there:)

22 Jul 2012 11:52:12
Why is everyone have a pop at our alistair ... He's only letting of steam , the SFA have made an arse of things and yes we have been punished for our wrong doings ... No danger will he walk or be pushed ... If any of these posters comments are true , lambie or leishman i'm out as they say on dragons den !!
I'm seriously looking forward to starting in the old fourth, roll on next week when the adventure starts ... I've swallowed my medicine and can't wait for August 5th when it's east fife at home ..
Spread the love boys as we should be thankful we have a club to follow ...
Onwards and upwards bears

The airport bear

He is the manager and should act like one. He knows more than supporters and should be positive and help the system move forward. He may have personal feelings but should not display them

Not showing the leadership we so need at the moment.Keep head down and just get on with it.

Ally McCoist is OUR manager.
He is also a supporter and RFC legend.
Who else would you want to have taken us through these troubled times?
He's exactly what we need. A fan who will stand up for our club!
Those who are slating him you are either Timposters or need to get a grip.
Get behind our club with everything you've got,there are plenty others trying to pull us down without our own turning against us.
P.O.B. {Ed039's Note - Great post)

Nice guy but out of his depths now.Who else would take the job on now though?I hope he makes some good signings and shows us different ---not made too many before but this year/s might be the making of him.

22 Jul 2012 11:32:03
i,ve heard sevco are already half million pounds in debt and are struggling to pay lekky bill at ibrox which is 50,000 a month.dont no if its true...but

You don't know if it's true but you thought you would spout it anyway. It just gets better on here every week. (sigh)

50 grand a month ? They could start by switching off the lights in the trophy room.

Aparrently oldco are racking up debts for newco to help Green out. Local council charges on ibrox and mp. Electricity and gas, .......

Poster 2 they wouldnt need lights in the trophy room, as theres that much silverware in there to light the room on its own doug t.s.o

22 Jul 2012 09:44:30
Super Ally to quit today, apparently Luigi is ijn the pipeline to take over. Think that Green has slipped on a Bananaskin here and no magig star that makes him invisible will help him. Got told that Celtic have a Green shell thats acting as if its a grred shell and following, follolwing us about. Fk Sake realised that am full of more mushies than Regan,;)

22 Jul 2012 10:42:44
Last season we could watch the team in 3D, now its D3. :'(

Don't remember one Rangers game available in 3D last season, think you failed with your joke there mate {Ed039's Note - There was an old firm game in 3D, i am 99% sure of it)

Was quite witty the first time but for the 150th time its getting tedious.

So is the crying weve had enough punishment

@2 Where have I been?Not heard it before.Be in 3D soon again

I think I saw one that was 3d, no misread it was 3-0.

22 Jul 2012 10:04:22
Accept transfer embargo, we want your media rights, accept investigation ect or we won't give you a licence. Sorry but isn't blackmail illegal?

Blueice

If the Scottish football supporting public could set aside their Doc Martins for a second and look at what's actually being proposed, they too would conclude that extortion tactics are being used, and those responsible don't even have the decency to be subtle about it.

Do as your told flossy, bend over and take it. Or else it's over for good.

22 Jul 2012 09:37:03
Scottish football is corrupt from top to bottom. The whole handling of the Rangers situation across the board backs this statement up. We are facing league of Ireland status in the not too distant future. Our national team are very poor and will be lucky to fifth in World Cup Qualifying. Our Spl clubs will be out of Europe in the Qualifiers including Celtic who think they are better than they actually are . The fan initiatives to get people back to games will last a few months at best. The ball is burst now the turkeys have voted for Xmas and they will pay a heavy price.
What is their to look forward to? Sub standard football and a one horse race. Bet Sky and world football cant wait.
When Rangers do get back to the SPL I fear what they will come back to. If only there was a way out of Scottish Football but unfortunately their is not. I see ex celtic players have crawled out the woodwork and are demanding Rangers be stripped of past successes over them.
What a sad bitter bunch. They weren't good enough in the first place and trying to cling on to a dilluded idea they were cheated is sad at best.

Stupid post.If proven,rangers will be stripped of titles for playing unregistered players,and that is right.the titles will not go to the runner up. {Ed039's Note - Rangers did not play "unregistered" players, that is not the issue, it is side payments that are being investigated. The players were fully registered, so lets get that right)

Think he meant ineligible. Here it is as simple as possible.
1. Ebt is a vehicle to avoid tax.
2. Such payments only avoid tax if not in contract.
3. Football players must have all payments in contract.
4. Players with ebt therefore are ineligible.
5. Playing ineligible player results in automatic 3-0 defeat. Unless you lost 6-2 for instance.
6. What's hard to understand about that ? {Ed039's Note - Is that not what I said? Its the side payments that are being investigated)

ED039; If the side contracts are proved to have existed,then the player registrations are voided,ergo,playing unregistered players. {Ed039's Note - They are not voided, the illegal payments would deserve some sort of punishment but it does not void a contract)

22 Jul 2012 01:24:25
Double dip liquidation heading Rangers way!The sums don't add up.The writing is on the wall.
We can't use the excuse it's a company that folding not the club again.Its too obvious!
We're finished!

Honestly you doom merchant.Well come on then if you know the sums dont add up then come on give us the figures.

This has been plan" B" all along.
Dont spend money lease back Ibrox & MP to new owners and make long term millions.
A year out and a newer newco tries again. 1873 history left behind but the option is no football for bears.DAVID MURRAY CAUSED THIS NO ONE ELSE.
Ally acted as a fan and tried his heart out (I doff my cap) but once switcheroo and SPL plan "A" dead the game was up. {Ed039's Note - What was 1873)

I suspect that Green's ability to obtain a licence will depend upon the SFA's acceptance for Green to organise a successful share issue, considering the financial constraints Newco have.

Green is calling on D&P to give him back £500k operating money he fronted them.
When does the Rangers utter madness stop?

22 Jul 2012 00:31:26
I"m 60 years old and you know what?..I"m sick of the whole
lot of you. I SAW Celtic fans in the 70's . Pro Ira and sectarian songs and banners. Rangers fans where equally to blame for there horrific chants and abuse. Go on YouTube and see for yourself . Better still ask your grandad , your dad or your uncles my age , they "ll tell you the same. All this s**te has got to stop ! When CFC have pounded there
greatest rivals to death ...then what? Who gives a s**t now ?

Do you know how many younger people read all these comments? We are just passing it on to the next generation.
Ask yourselves this...Scottish football is infamous for old firm games...football skills ?..glamour ?..family day out ? Ma erse.

The so called worldwide audience want all hell to break loose .We all let Scotland down.'Nuff said. Luvgers {Ed013's Note - Well said}

Great post !
VHSS

In my sixties, as well, and could not agree more. Not selling poppies around their ground and banners decrying British soldiers. Why?, because it would offend their supporters.
We have more than paid for the financial irregularities caused by a few, so sfa/spl just think of everything that we, as a club, have contributed to scottish football and move on, and give us a reasonable chance to rebuild and soon we will be number 1 in scotland and playing where we belong. The European stage. Long live Glasgow Rangers.

Wait a minute. You come on here and advise us we are bad as you. Then tell us after you pound Rangers to Death! Spout it somewhere else and to people who might listen to you talk utter nonsense!

We all know about the sectarian problems at both teams and don't need to ask our grandparents what went on! Wake up and give yourself a shake. Rangers have tried for a long time now to try and stamp this out. Guess what some have listened se have not.

Until our kids can grow up together, this will never stop. And CFC will never pound any team to Death, certainly not Glasgow Rangers. Before the rest of you mugs from the East start. Same club, same stadium, same support!

Keep your cries and moans for your own site.

Yes im in my mid sixties and saw all the battles inside and outside the grounds ,hard hats getting worn to go to a football match ,dodging the bottles from your own supporters that never reached the running track from the back of the terracing ,first old firm game i went to ididnt know there was segregation and stood at the back of the celtic end at old ibrox with a gers scarf on lol ps.willie fernie and davy wilson scored that day game ended 2-1 victory to the gers doug t.s.o

Great post. This is a great opportunity for Rangers to rid themselves of the yolk round their neck. Let's stop the British/Unionist crap and the allegiance to Ireland. We should be about football not politics and historical events. Let's build a Scottish football team free from bigotry and hatred. Forget Celtic and their fans, let's not be their opposite. It's not needed.

22 Jul 2012 00:18:23
There are a lot of comments on here about signing Craig Beattie and others well known players (SPL quality), but I am worried about the wages of these players. Green has said already there needs to be wage cuts, and I doubt we can afford to keep Jig on the wages he is on. And if we have to let big Lee go, I would be gutted but i would understand. We need to get a wage structure in place and stick to it. For years we had been paying >£20k per week to players, and we shouldn’t have been able to. This is why we got into this mess. D Murray clearly couldn’t afford the wages so started the EBT to save money. We need to realise that we cannot complete with the Premiership clubs in terms of wages, and we struggle to match the mid-table championship clubs for wages now.
We need to rely on youth players, especially with this transfer ban where we can only sign young players. And if we aren’t in the SPL for 4 to 6 years, then we need to invest even more money in youth development (I understand the investment of Craig Mather is to do with this, which is great).
Also I would like to add how disappointed I am in the non-established players who left when the club transferred over to the new company (Ness, McCabe etc). At this point it was not certain that Rangers would be relegated and Ness and McCabe could’ve been Rangers midfield for many years to come. Now that we are in the 3rd division, I understand some players leaving, as it is a short career. I understood players like Davis and McGregor leaving as they are Premiership quality and we were lucky to have them! If I was a youth player in the position that McCabe and Ness were in, I would think I have the biggest chance to become a Rangers legend and lead them for the next few years, and I wouldn’t think lets take the money and sit in Stoke reserves for the next few years then get sold to a Championship club and play the rest of my career out playing in front of crowds which don’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Rangers!
Thats my rant, thanks CB

Rangers will "cut their cloth" and still pay a decent wage. Mayb £5k a week max? That's certainly a good wage in Scottish terms.

Ness is finished. He has some MAJOR injury troubles. All players should have transferred over to get gers a fee. The only ones that acted with any class are "foreigners" like Goian, Edu, Boca. Dirt like Naismith, supposed "fans", are nothing in my eyes. Mcl obviously won't get the wage he was on, but 5k a week or whatever and gers captaincy should be plenty.