Rangers Banter Archive March 22 2013

 

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22 Mar 2013 19:35:35
would anyone like to see wee nacho back in january? on a 1 year deal, shure the wee guy could do a shift for us

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Was this not supposed to be about bringing youth through? There's enough older players in the team. Ferguson, Thomson now Novo?

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So that's Novo, Boyd, Thomson, Miller. Who's next? Gough, Hately, Malcolm, Nisbet? lol

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22 Mar 2013 18:27:43
Ally oops. On telly saying " this will be our first title ". Wonder if Glinty will suspend him for speaking out of place. DH

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Is he saying as a club or under his management team?

Or is it just pick and choose?

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Op ally said this will be the first of the tittles we need to win to get us back to the top league you must only have the part of the story that suites your way of thinking 54 soon to be 55 but thanks for your concern cheers

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2) He said " our first title " he never mentioned 3rd division title. You can call it 55 all you want but a 3rd Div title is just like winning a tenner on the lottery. It doesn't mean you won the big one. DH

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@2) Agreed. I'm hoping to get my 55 and counting T-shirt asap.

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@4 Loki have already got my administration 2 tshirt ready to go :-) wow you even have to buy a div 3 championship lol amazing how your season only started changing when the SPL refs started sending off the part time players by their droves!
Enjoy wearing your new tshirt ya tube, only about 7 of those are tainted though hey ;-) god knows how many others have even tainted hey mate ;-)

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It shows how silly u people r it won't be 55 untill u win top division that's the rules of uefa a title win that goes on record only counts when its in top div. u don't see liverpool claiming title wins from lower div but hey u seem to make yor own rules as u go u must be the only club in the world 2 have died restarted and still kept yur history let's stop all the p*** when u do win one in top div it will be your first end off

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3) 54 top tier titles add 1 x 4th tier = 55 titles. albeit an overall total, but still 55 and counting. That's definately the way it is.

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@4: why? It's not a recognised title to add to top league titles. It's a lower league win.

How many league titles do Liverpool and Man United have respectively?

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Why does it upset Celtic, Aberdeen, Hibs and Dundee United fans if some Gers fans combine all titles won and boast about 55 and counting?. maybe I've already given the reason!

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DH Don't you worry - we will be calling it 55 and counting 'cos that is what we want to do!

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N3 we will win the league tittle the only league tittle we could win this season 54 soon to be 55 cheers

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@11: it's not a league title in the sense of the others - a top league title. It's not difficult to understand, is it?

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The desperation carries on. It will be ONE LOWER LEAGUE TITLE. That will all that will be officially recorded. League titles are only recognised for the main divisions UEFA don't even have a record of your brand new club's results never mind any titles. As a new club you probably aren't used to the rules yet. It will come in time, don't worry, and if you need a hand you can ask a certain club with 125 years of UNBROKEN history for help, or was that what your chairman was planning when he was BEGGING to meet the prestiged and honest Mr Lawwell, a man who has seen off Rangers before and looks like he might do it again. It's great having a CEO that can act with such integrity that he has 99% of Scottish football under his and his clubs control. I was surprised Mr Lawwell wasn't given a knighthood for services to humanity in seeing off Rangers. There's always time if enough people sign the petition. Sir Peter Lawwell has a certain ring to it, don't you think?

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22 Mar 2013 16:50:41
sandaza will never play for rangers again. time to get rid of these overpaid foreign dross. why is ally not looking at british youth. not one of the foreigners he brought last summer has cut it (tho its hard to say any have british or not)
perfect time in our current predicament. c'mon ally most of us could do better than this

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U can't just get rid of Sandaza or any other of the foreign players as they all have contracts. If u try and get rid of them it will cost in excess of £1m. Money the club doesn't have

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You celtic fans worry too much

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Where else would McCoist get this kind of money? (plus 5%) this is the major problem at Rangers, he was blatantly not given the job for his man management skills or tactical knowledge, its like having Martin Bain as manager, no wonder Sandaza wants to go, it must be painful watching McCoist, Durrant and McDowell drive Rangers into the ground for any professional footballer.

McCoist, Durrant and McDowell are the dead wood we need to shed before Rangers can possibly move forward, preferably before thet waste any more money or cost us any more trophies. They are shockingly bad at their jobs, I honestly wouldn't let them coach a local kids team.

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22 Mar 2013 23:59:32
Rangers CAN get rid of sandaza for breach of contract

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@4) Its not a sackable offence. If he is found guilty by the SPL for breaching the rule of speaking to other parties without the consent of the club then maybe, but certainly not for being misled by a prank. In the cold light of day he is the victim here. Even though the real victims are the fans who are paying to watch his performances this season.

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You will find sandaza, like all rangers players, and most clubs, make players sign a non-disclosure. Which means disclosing his contract details is a sackable offence

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21 Mar 2013 15:21:28
Ed what are the chances of our transfer embargo being lifted in the summer?

s20c {The Ed039's Note - I wouldnt think there would be any chance of it being lifted this summer, unless someone can find any real reason for it to be, in which case someone would have done that already)

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22 Mar 2013 13:54:04
Francisco Sandaza has been suspended by Rangers following comments made by the player during a "prank call".
I hope he's suspended with no pay and is on his way out. I just don't rate this guy.

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Hopefully we can get rid of him over this, but not too hopeful. The guy is getting paid far more than he is worth. Ship him out, now!!

p. s

It is hardly news that him, and his ilk, are only here for the money on offer.

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Yeah totally agree very poor goal record since he has joined the club expected more from him. Gowdy54

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Agree OP. Think the Celtic taxi man's done us a favour there. LOL. Wonder if he's refgretting his prank now?

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Green lies regularly to the press and fans. McCoist endangers lives by demanding to know who members of the investigating panel were. Both do this without any repercussions. Sandaza gets conned into making certain admissions yet gets suspended. Hypocrisy of the highest order.

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@3 why? What harm is Sandaza going to do to Celtic in the next 2/3 years? Small time player in a small time league.

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@5 I think you'll find 3 was going on about the fact Sandaza has done nothing for Rangers and no one at Ibrox will be sorry to see the back of him.

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@6: looking for points for originality?

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@8. The only points won for originality would be Celtic fans NOT being obsessed with Rangers.

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23 Mar 2013 09:27:12
How any times? It's not obsession - it's a source of entertainment. Constant reference to obsession shows a lack of understanding, originality and wit. Keep trying and fans of other clubs - not just Celtic - will keep smiling at the delusion etc.

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22 Mar 2013 13:26:49
I finally heard the whole Sandaza tape. First off, it's his second language and that should be considered but let's face it, this will not be his first ever experience with an agent. "Jack McGonigle" came across as a complete person, he had to ask the contract length (any one of us could have found that out, though not the cash side obviously). He had to double check that Ally was the manager (any agent worth his salt from Scotland would know that. )

So overall why would you be bought in by this obvious fraudster? Because sometimes when you are hearing something you really want to hear you kind of gloss over the detail, in this case the things that should obviously have alerted Sandaza that this was bogus.

Regardless of how this has left him looking since it happened, it is very clear he was desperate to get out. I don't know if we are talking the weather, the standard of pitches, dressing rooms, let's face it, he would have seen all that while at St Johnstone presumably.

I think he fully expected it to be a 30 goals a season personal adorationfest with his value going up and up and him either establishing himself as a Rangers player for years to come or some Championship club coming in and buying him.

I think he thought to himself, one good player in that division can make a difference, a team with 6 or 7 should coast it. I think he fully expected a Harlem Globetrottersesque breeze with his own stock forever soaring. Clearly he hasn't got the stomach for the battles that it has been and will be.

Gaz

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If he was so desperate to get out then he could of went to management and said so. The league title is won, there's plenty of more fish in the sea and no doubt the club would be willing to mutually release someone who has been a failure this season.

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Sorry Gaz, nonsense again, he wants to get more money. That's it in a nutshell, however this will backfire on him and the bogus caller. It is illegal to tape without somebody's knowledge, so cabbie will be charged. It has got Ally out of bother too as they will tear up his contract without a pay off. So to sum up we win again.

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Anonymous poster 2) got a name please. Of course he wants more money but he is less than a season into a 4 year deal, given that there would presumably be a transfer fee and his poor performances to date I don't see too many clubs breaking the bank to sign him. So surely 8 months into a 4 year deal he has had a change of heart too, no?

Gaz

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@2 sorry but your wrong if you think Rangers will be able to release him and not pay him any money. Either way Rangers going to have to pay him off or continue to pay his wages. If they tried to get rid of him he would simply take the club to court and potentially more money would be wasted

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2. If it's illegal to tape someone's conversation without their knowledge then how come guys like Robin Galloway make a living on Radio Clyde making live prank calls or why did Craig Whyte not get done for his tape of the guy from Duff & Phelps?

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22 Mar 2013 19:42:21
Can't see how he (sandaza) can be sacked over this as you've said it is illegal to tape without his consent and as such could not be used against him. If he was sacked I think he'd have a strong case for compensation on grounds of unfair dismissal regardless of the rights or wrongs the laws an ass.

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22 Mar 2013 20:36:31
A wee nod to gaz here, that's the first sensible and unbigoted post I've seen from you m8. I hope you really do care about football, another point to no, 2 it isn't illegal m8. And to the other guy who pointed out the galloway prank calls, that is different, the radio station always had to ask permission to broadcast any calls, from the victim, always, tommyblue. ED, are my posts being deliberately being ignored, please let me know and I'll stop wasting my time m8.

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@7) You might not like what I write, it might not be pro-Rangers but there's two reasons why it isn't bigoted 1) I'm not a bigot and 2) the Ed's wouldn't allow it. And as for my first sensible thing (?) I don't think too many argued with what I wrote regards Ally's question of sport years nor when Green was getting double whammied by McCoist in the morning and Smith on the afternoon just after he took over. Or when I wished Sandy Jardine well. (Some bigot me eh?)

Use a better choice of words please 7, believe it or not, not liking something doesn't by definition make you a bigot.

Gaz

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Tommyblue you really take the cake, an opinion contrary to yours clearly has two things at its core, it is bigoted and ergo means I don't care about football. I'll write person just now and save the Ed the time of editing it. (Weird how that word gets censored and yet I can be accused of being a bigot in all my posts bar one. And the reason being that I wasn't a bigot in this one is that you presumably agree. - Now there's the definition of a bigot arguably. )

Bigot has one very obvious overtone relating to Celtic and Rangers, one I despise and have absolutely no interest in, so get a dictionary and find more appropriate words Tommy.

As for Ed couldn't change it to "unbiased"? Or are you happy for that type of slander? While the word person gets censored to death.

Gaz

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@7: you do realise you wouldn't have seen any bigoted posts on here as they wouldn't be posted? We're talking bigotry by its true definition, not the 'bigotry' that some accuse others of when it's nowhere near it. The Eds simply won't allow bigoted posts on here, whatever anyone says.

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Well said 1903.

Ed we can't even use the word person when not relating to a specific individual even? That is personic, there, saved you the time again.

Tommy I'm still annoyed at that sanctimonious garbage and here's why. Your club or fans threatens to boycott other clubs, divisions, tournaments, sponsors, broadcasters, the national team, left many a club in the lurch till your admittance to league football included the paying of football debts and you have the gall to hope that I "really do care about football. " You are a joke, jog on.

Gaz

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Think you will find the boycotts and threats came from another sides supporters, who are more to blame for the state of the game in Scotland. Than anything that happened to Rangers. You answered your own question Gaz, you really do not care about football, Your warped mind is only interested in the death of Rangers and because that did not happen, you spend your time on this site. Maybe not bigoted but certainly manic compulsive

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Rangers fans wanted the club to withdraw players from Scotland duty, I'm not saying it was widespread but there were calls for it. In their droves in other sites Rangers fans were dropping Sky, ESPN, not gambling in Hills, boycotting Specsavers, boycotted Dundee Utd, wanted the club to withdraw from the league cup, Scottish cup, Scottish football. How many examples do you want 12)?

And why don't I care about Scottish football, if my team has a grudge with an opposition I don't boycott their ground I go in the hope we stuff them and I see it, boycotting - that's the warped "scottish football non-loving" sense of things some of you have.

Again presumptious and wrong, I have never wanted the death of Rangers and for the record I have always said they are the same club as before with 54 titles etc etc. How on earth did Craig Whyte dupe you lot so easily when every last one of you is a master of character analysis? You make claim after claim about me yet couldn't see an Arsenal share flogging charlatan when it was written about on a near daily basis, all very strange.

Gaz

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Settle down Gaz. I was generally concerned for your health, because of your odd fascination with Rangers. The last thing I am going to do is debate you in childish tit for tat. But as you must surely realise that all this boycott rubbish started with some silly little minded people who threatened to boycott scottish football and posed as supporters of other scottish clubs to pressurise their chairmen with the threat of a boycott if they did not kick rangers out. Now Gaz we have both seen examples of boycotts, the GB for example. both clubs are equally guilty, but those supporters who started this rot in the first place set an extremely dangerous precedent that has been repeated by other clubs, the result is they have effectively killed scottish football.

Ozzie Al

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23 Mar 2013 13:09:45
Oops tb again, gaz, here's no, 2.
You seem to get confused by our club, and people who write or call hotlines, our club wanted no tickets to tannadice because of what they did to rangers fans a few yrs ago,
They never boycotted anywhere else, the opposite in fact,
3) gaz, if you are not (the dreaded word). Tell me why, you have never spoken of any other club, do u have a club?, justexplain in your own words how your life is spent desperately trying to convince us all of something about rangers, which believe me pal always comes across as (the dreaded word)
3) you slaughtered a guy the other day because he said scottish football is in a dreadful state,, it took you all of 3 words to get on to rangers,? Do u see were I'm going here gazzy,?
4) you obviously see yourself as the master of the dictionary and destroyer in cheif of raners fans hopes and dreams why? What fun u must get, now you jog on pal, because your getting mre obvious by the minute, why don't u get someone to take you to parkhead and watch a game,,
And do try and differentiate between our club and a few fans opinions or wishes, they really are two different things gazzy xx tommy blue

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Gaz I forgot to mention, you say gers fans wanted rangers to withdraw players from the scotland squad, correct? And you use that as an argument, as usual against gers fans?. And yet you fail to mention the almost total celtic support followas ireland, and always have done, celtic fans a, how can you mention gers fans in this context without saying anything about your own clubs fans pal. , and btw gazzy, wishing sandy well is a basic human moral, I hope. Not a way of proving your honour mate tb

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Ahhh Tommy where to start, if the Tannadice boycott related to that postponed game (which it didn't) then why didn't the boycott come in an earlier game, you did say a few years ago after all?

I haven't spoke about any other clubs? I praised Inverness folk for having the forward thinking to merge, I have been asking all week what happens to QOS by Green and McCoist's suggestion (do you actually read or just type and hope its true?)

There is nothing desperate about my life, I've arguably never found Scottish football as entertaining as it is right now. A big team has found itself sunk to unprecedented levels in world football and some of its fans just type utter junk because they can't deal with it, it is beyond hilarious. Someone yesterday asking if the embargo might be lifted in the summer, on what grounds, just because it's Rangers? Another moaning that they should have tried harder in the Scottish Cup and then qualified for Europe, three year ban, that ring a bell? Trust me Tommy there is nothing desperate in reading the comedy gold in here.

And there you go with another sweeping generalisation, you really should stop that, you're batting 0/4 in terms of me alone. I doubt very much the "almost total" Celtic support are Ireland fans, I'm certainly not, Scotland first and last for me and I know many who are the same.

You want to debate anything fine, but sweeping generalisations and bizarre guesses about me are doing you no favours. So far I have been a bigot and manic, with both probably needing a wee dictionary tweak to fit your notion, now I'm desperate, do you need to pigeonhole everything, does it make folk easier to understand to your own warped sense of things?

As for Jardine there are enough folk on both sides that can't even go that far as you well know.

Gaz

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22 Mar 2013 07:58:31
Once the Transfer Embargo is lifted Rangers should have a look at 19 year old Will Grigg currently playing for Weltall in League One.

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Weltall?

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Initially my thoughts were "here we go again, he's represented N. I so let's have a look at him"
Then I checked the stats, seems like a decent young prospect with some experience. Although for me I'd want a player to have more than one decent season before we start chucking money at him.

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19yrs old and experienced don't you already have all that at Ibrox at present?

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His present club is Walsall.

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22 Mar 2013 02:44:55
I really don't see the problem with sandaza saying he's here for the money, let's be honest why else would any player move 3 divisions down? It's not for the love of rangers that's for sure.

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So Sandaza a Charles Green have a lot in common, they are both only here for the money.
Bobby

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His comments wouldn't if bothered me if he hadnt been rank rotten this season. Maybe he will leave in the summer, maybe not. If he stays he better get his finger out his ar*e

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I thought Charles Green only invested in club so he could lose money. wtf?

Would be pretty useless if he could not profit from his investment. DOH!!

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22 Mar 2013 02:17:18
League changes, talk of all different formations etc, was watching the German bundesliga and thought that would work here

Div 1. X 18 teams
1 relegated 2 teams play off

Div 2 x 12 teams
1 promoted 2 teams play off

Div 3 x 12 teams
1 promoted 2 teams play off

Set up Regional leagues using colt teams for all clubs etc winners out with colt teams could get promoted to div3?

Would solve Rangers problem etc but it's a shame sky would not agree to it, but ever know as there's no old firm games at the moment, even other spl teams are only getting 2 games at Celtic so income wouldn't be lost

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Not true about clubs only getting Celtic money, every Dundee and Edinburgh derby has been on Dunde Hibs Motherwell Inverness there has been loads on SPL games on mate, I would kinda like an 18 top Division Could bring more Attraction to the game, Only if say SPL got 1 more Europa League spot and when you guys get back to top league and start Challenging us I say SPL winner into the 3rd Qualifying round of the Champions League, and Second place get Automatic Europa League Group stage, that way the race for the title would be so much more Intense, and 3rd Place 3rd Qualifier of Europa bring the Hungry back in Scottish football but doubt It would ever happen, thoughts? Ghreenbhoy1888

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22 Mar 2013 12:56:09
There would be a problem if rangers where to go into SPL, the 4 old firm games is what tv wants that's where the money is
But do we really want to play teams more than 4 times a season it gets boring, play twice a season in the league make the games important to win etc more compitive
I would change from this season,
Any team which wins there league gets promoted to next one any team finishes last gets relegated

6 teams get promoted from div 1 to Spl
Morton, partick, Falkirk, Dunfermline, Raith, Livingstone all teams capable of playing in SPL
This would help these teams in terms of money then when rangers get back that would be more income for them,

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All the talk of Colt teams, not better getting a first team on the pitch first? Ally has enough probs without giving him another team to work tactic's with!

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Green boy

When I say Celtic money I mean the share they get when playing at parkheed, twice a season now, compared to last season when they got 2 games at ibrox also more income
I agree 18 teams are the way ahead for a more compitive league

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There are too many teams in the league set-up. Two leagues with stronger teams would be better.

Don't know why diddy teams fans are so dead against the colts idea. Rangers and celtic playing elsewhere but maintaining a presence (and source of finance to all the rest) makes sense to me. No more than two teams winning the league the last quarter of a century is not sustainable. The essence of sport is competition. Rangers (long-term) and celtic need to get out to move forward. Stagnation is certain for celtic minus rangers, it was fairly certain with rangers too. Their lucky run in the cl this year papers over the cracks. Getting pumped 5-0 for the biggest aggregate thumping in the second round speaks volumes.

The rest won't be getting to gers+ celtic's level so the old firm levelling down is inevitable. Get colts in, make it more competitive, diddy teams get a chance of winning league and better shot at silverware e. g. buddys last week. Rangers and celtic compete in a league for the disaffected majority of teams that make up the numbers in the cl every yr. Your big fish in small ponds. Football's in a bit of a mess generally if players are leaving teams like Ajax to sign for teams like fulham. The advent of "the champions' league" has killed it. The teams in the "big leagues" get to have their cake and eat it with about 8 of them in the cl every year. It let's teams like arsenal celebrate mediocrity every year- "12 straight years of fourth. well done Arsene"

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22 Mar 2013 00:56:24
The SFA and SPL and SFL love play offs. That is clear because if the 12-12-18 goes ahead there will be more play offs than league games. They seem to think that play offs will bring about endless exciting games with huge crowds like down south. Really, a match between say Airdrie and Brechin will attract exactly the attendance it attracts now, bugger all.

The SFA, SPL and SFL are fond of "sporting merit", this months catch phrase, so let's have some "sporting merit". let's have play offs between all clubs out with the top eleven. Let's stop the leagues now as they are meaningless anyway.
Then and only then will you get true "sporting merit". That's what they all want, or so they say. They get the benefit of stadiums bursting at the seams for the play offs.

Of course that's not what they want, they want to look after number one and if the game dies, so be it.

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Without playoffs last 10 games pointless most times if gers or celtc have substantial lead.

Even now spl and div1 over in MARCH! FFS.

this is not sport, where at olympics most were photo finishes, and epl is most years.

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22 Mar 2013 00:45:58
In what country can the worst team in the country gain promotion when finishing bottom of the pile?

It could only be Scotland. Those that claim Rangers should not be promoted should answer the question, Why does the bottom team in the country get promoted. If you use the argument that we are going into tier three from tier four, just answer the question.

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Who are they overtaking?

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OP. ask a clear you might get an answer. what team at the bottom of which country has ever gained promotion? #confusedorwot!

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OP it is called restructuring, not the same thing. But nonetheless I answered your question. Now answer mine by Green and McCoist's suggestion what should happen to QOS?

Gaz

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2) the question is very clear, why does the team that finishes bottom of this years div three, gain promotion.

We win div three, you say we go from fourth tier to third tier. So does the team that finishes bottom this year. They will move from fourth tier to third tier.

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3) Gaz, at present 12 teams in SPL, 10 in div one, two and three. Going to 12-12-18. So Dundee get demoted from SPL, the winners of div one take their place. Therefore to get to 12 teams, QOS take one place. They are in third tier just now, will be in second tier next year. So you are complaining that they don't achieve promotion and yet you complain if we do gain promotion. This is very simply why this must not go ahead, because it is totally unfair to change the rules in mid season. I have no problems with 12-12-18 if we start next season knowing the rules so that teams don't get shafted the way we are and QOS are.

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@5 Cheers for your reply however you finally revealed exactly why it is flawed because by Green and McCoist's scenario that will mean division 2's winners being in the same division as division 3's winners, how's that fair?

Gaz

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@4 better put and a good point although this is reconstruction and not promotion. Flip side would be teams above relegation in current 2nd division being included within the 18 team set up, still in the third tier albeit in the bottom level as gers fans refer it to. truth is there is no answer to suit everybody

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