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22 May 2016 22:02:19
Guys, a few points about all things yesterday, Tavs got a roasting all day long from Stokes but in his defence he hurt his knee early in the game and seemed he couldn't turn inside onto his left. Hibs seen this too.

Hibs done a great job in stopping our main players, Tavs, Wallace and McKay, well done to them. Zalelem was keeping the ball for us and even though he took a heavy knock minutes before He got subbed, I think we should have kept him on.

Hibs made more and took more chances looked sharper and I think they deserved to win. The carry on after the game could have ended very badly with people being seriously hurt or killed.

By the time we got back to our car I heard Cosgroves comments which were being seriously challenged by Tam Cowan and then Rod Petrie saying exuberance well Controlled by the authorities!

I've seen the pictures where Wallace looks like he is about to be assaulted and what appears to be someone threatening Kenny Miller! I seen Keirnan throwing 3 boys off him who were trying to control him. I don't know what planet these guys are on.

Can I just say that I seen a Hibs supporter taking a kick to the head from 2 of our supporters one when he was in the ground! We can't condone that in any shape or form no matter the provocation. "Well controlled" .

If Rangers supporters had done what the Hibs done yesterday we would be on every front page calling for us to be stripped of titles, banned from Europe, banned from Scottish Cup and guys would be going to the jail.

These are my thoughts I look forward to others comments and let's not lose sight that we are an improving team and a work in progress. Dunbar Blue.



23 May 2016 08:01:39
According to Miller's wife he wasn't touched.



23 May 2016 08:13:53
They didn't stop tav he was on holiday mode absolutely woeful.



23 May 2016 10:37:29
Cee, a blind man could Cee! that Tav got injured. He played on and if you don't do well nobody thanks you for putting the team before yourself. We had no defenders on the bench or he would probably have been off at half time. I am sure we should have had a laddie from the 20s on the bench. Maybe agree he might not be ready but he can't be that far away and at least he could run.



22 May 2016 21:49:05
Waghorn was hugging the touchline doing nothing mckay was awful zelam is awful plus the hibs fans invading the pitch so what they were proud of there team and the victory let's face it we would have done the same if we had achieved a great win defeat is hard to take but let's allow them there moment of glory and not be bitter and jealous.



22 May 2016 22:14:16
Hibs were the better team and deserved the trophy but their fans are total persons and have brought both the Club and Scottish Football into disrepute. The SFA should have no option but to ban them from all cup competitions or they will be effectively condoning supporter violence against opposing teams and their players and officials and the next time it happens it could be a lot worse!



22 May 2016 23:35:00
They assaulted Rangers staff and players, tore up the pitch, destroyed the goalposts.

No, we wouldn't have done the same and it's not being bitter or jealous to simply not want our players to get attacked on the pitch.

That's happened twice in a year now, something has to give.



23 May 2016 00:08:32
Bigjim no one is being bitter or jealous. The better team won. But there is NO excuse for what a portion of their fans done. Can you imagine what would have happened if their goal was in the 82nd minute and not the 92nd minute? There still would have been 21,000 Rangers fans there, that has big potential to start a riot. Hibs need to be punished for their fans behaviour, if not this will get out of hand.



23 May 2016 08:14:32
If a rangers fan ran on the park and punched the hibs captain he would have a public witch hunt.



23 May 2016 17:37:37
A guy jumps out the crowd, assaults Neil Lennon in stadium, in front of 10-15 k people, police, stewards and possibly millions world wide, guess what, it was not proven.



22 May 2016 20:12:51
Has MW said anything yet about performance of the team yesterday and the result? Have looked and cannot see anything. IMO Hibs were the better team, deserved to win, and we need to learn and turn the experience into a positive for next season.



22 May 2016 20:26:07
He will have been gagged by the hierarchy and Jim Traynor's PR firm.



22 May 2016 20:36:36
Word for word I am sure Warburton will say that, lol. We need to learn from it.



22 May 2016 21:38:13
It's shocking he hasn't come out and spoke about another abject performance and how easily he was out thought by Stubbs. Another poor 3 goals conceded and some terrible performances from the team. Really poor stuff from manager.



22 May 2016 23:11:58
Biffo, you are the most honest poster on this site. The after match scenes were a total disgrace and no one can say about exuberance as it could have turned out to be a life being took, but I think warburton gets credit and most of it deserved but he has escaped coming out and telling everyone he got out thought by stubbs and how he can't or won't change his system no matter how the game is going.



23 May 2016 13:29:46
I have still not seen any comment from MW on match and the teams' performance. Only Miller, Fod and Wilson get pass marks from me. Hibs were the better team and deserved to win. Tired reading about the aftermath, the authorities will respond to that later today. I would like response now on the match and how we can use it to improve. Checked the club website and nothing yet said.



22 May 2016 19:18:53
So does anyone know what the budget is now? I don't think and hope he does not. krancjar, for sure.



22 May 2016 19:16:47
LATEST FROM RANGERS


Rangers finds it incomprehensible that no one, either from within the Scottish FA or Hibernian Football Club, has condemned Hibernian’s supporters following the violent scenes at the end of yesterday’s Scottish Cup final when Rangers players and members of our backroom staff were physically and verbally assaulted. We have not even had the courtesy of any contact whatsoever from Hibernian to ask after the wellbeing of those who were attacked by their club’s supporters.

There must be a full independent investigation into the shameful scenes at Hampden. Rangers is also at a complete loss to understand why certain individuals have hastily attempted to gloss over the appalling events which unfolded at the end of Saturday’s final.

No matter how many times Hibernian’s chairman and Scottish FA vice-chairman, Rod Petrie, and certain other biased commentators wish to play down Saturday’s mayhem and violence, the truth must not be distorted. What unfolded on Saturday cannot and must not be put down to exuberance. That is a complete insult to Rangers, our supporters, and those individuals who were intimidated and attacked.

It was clear to most of those who watched in horror that the Scottish FA’s security procedures failed when Hibernian’s fans went over the top in their thousands. It is to be hoped that all of Scottish football will share Rangers’ disgust and any attempts to attach blame to our supporters for the disgraceful and violent behaviour, which led to our players and fans fearing for their safety, will not be accepted or tolerated by this Club.

We acknowledge that a tiny minority of Rangers fans also encroached on the pitch but only after having been faced with prolonged and severe provocation and in order to protect our players and officials who were being visibly attacked in front of them. Any club’s supporters would have done the same. This distressing and deeply disturbing episode would never have happened had Hibs fans behaved properly but as they swarmed across the pitch it became immediately obvious that the security procedures were inadequate and had failed.

These fans were allowed to rush, unchecked, towards Rangers supporters at the opposite end of the stadium – all the while goading and threatening them. This makes it preposterous to suggest Rangers fans were somehow to blame as some commentators appear anxious to do. This thuggish behaviour must be investigated and as many culprits as possible brought to book and formally charged. This is the second time in a year that Rangers fans have had to endure attacks by another club’s supporters.

It must also be said that it was not at all helpful to see leading members of the Scottish Government, including the First Minister whose parish is Govan, passing comment on social media without any attempt to condemn the behaviour of Hibernian’s fans. These failures are unbecoming of our elected representatives.

Certain media outlets have also attempted to distort reality. In the case of the BBC this is, of course, not news. BBC employees, in particular Stuart Cosgrove, believe Rod Petrie’s comments to be ‘balanced’ and others speak of a ‘minority’ of Hibernian supporters. Another, Tom English, who was not even at the match, would prefer the authorities to focus on Rangers fans’ reaction. We will not endure this insult.

So, let everyone be clear on one thing – Rangers demands that players, staff and fans be protected from the violence and hatred of supporters of other clubs. Rangers fully expects the Scottish FA and Police Scotland to take action to provide our people with a safe environment. When players are unable to accept medals at the end of a final because of fears for their safety and our supporters are alarmed and extremely concerned for the women and children among them, then surely every step must be taken to ensure that this is never repeated.



22 May 2016 19:55:05
Glad to see our board are correctly addressing this issue!

I have seen some shocking videos today with players being attacked but the strangest one I have watched was two of our own grabbing a wee boy? Wtf is the goal in that plan?!

Seeing pictures and footage of this angers me and reading some of the abusive comments after them enraged me further! What is wrong with the rest of Scotlands football fans?



22 May 2016 20:09:20
At the end of the day there was an element within both sets of fans who exhibited moronic behaviours yesterday. You could easily argue that Hibs fans were the more moronic of the two but it does not excuse the actions of some Rangers fans.

This statement totally ignores the moronic behaviour of that element within our own fans and makes out that we only ran on the pitch to protect the players and the woman and children, which is totally not the case for the majority of the people who ran on.

The cynic in me thinks that the statement yesterday and this one are attempts to deflect away from the fact we were rank rotten and got done over by a team we should be pumping. Not only that they want to deflect the anger because we now don't have European football next year.



22 May 2016 20:15:41
Rafbob various pics are emerging which don't show either sets of fans in a good light . There are pics of Wallace walking off the park fine . 90 mins of sectarian abuse ( some could use an excuse to provoke hibs fans? ) . I in a balanced view recon if you's had won? Your fans would have been on the pitch .

I don't condone the actions, but after the last week of play offs n stuff around Europe all fans have peacefully came onto the pitch

My gripe is with the latest statement . Sounds like 1 a would get fae ma girlfriend drunk . Have they not seen the bbc condem, rod Petrie apologies on tv?

Hibs from top to bottom have condemned and apologised for their fans . Your club has made excuses for yours.



22 May 2016 20:21:41
bosshogg you hit it on the nail both sets of fans were on the pitch it should have been left to the police and stewards to deal with then we may have had a gripe about
players being attacked so if hibs get fined we should expect
a similar fate our management should more concerned with
the crime we committed on the field
any one who has watch any of the play offs in England
will have seen there were pitch invasion after each game.



22 May 2016 20:49:35
Delbhoy, I mentioned the two idiots grabbing the wee lad because I find it strange that our clubs statement makes no reference to our element of scum.

Going onto the pitch in those games you mentioned elsewhere in Europe is acceptable, but you will know as well as I do that in Scotland some people see that as an opportunity to show their colours and not in a family friendly manner!

I will ask you now to be honest when you answer this; how would you react if it was your team in the situation witnessed yesterday?

I also don't think our support would have piled onto the pitch like that, if that was the case we'd have done so at the semi-final as well.



22 May 2016 20:50:08
Braga win taca de portugal for the first time since the sixties. no fans on the pitch and no players assaulted.



22 May 2016 20:50:28
And they give the runners up porto a guard of honour and clap them when they go. up to receive their runners up medals.



22 May 2016 21:21:53
Delbhoy 1888 the SFA have a legal jurisdiction when staging an event that all players and staff including members of the media, public and Security staff have a safe working conditions and systems should be in place for any incidents that may occur.

They have failed in this and their response to condemn Hibs or Rangers fans is atrocious.

If their is not a formal condemnation of the Hibs fans or the resignation of Petrie due to his supportive comments on the Hibs fans actions, then as a club it is only right that we should take legal action.

If no fans are identified our any punishment issued to Hibs, RFC should make a stance and bar all away fans from Ibrox as it appears that the SFA condone this type of behaviour.

The may have shit on us in 2012 but we will not accept this anymore.



22 May 2016 22:45:03
Rafbob, I can see you are sensible in the debate . The hibs fans, although they were delighted in ending a 100 odd year hoodo with an injury time winner, were bang out of order! I do not condone this .
Too be perfectly honest? I am happy as a pig in shit that it was their fans and not Celtic fans .

I dare to think what the head lines would be if this happened during the semi .

The past weeks I refers to include millwAll fans, not just Europe .

My only gripe is the " it was all their fault claims . yes hibs fans were mainly to blame, but the statement from Rangers saying their fans only done it to protect their players and staff?

Let he without sin cast the first stone!



23 May 2016 07:36:04
Unfortunately the statement is flawed praising our fans. Throughout the match u could clearly hear sectarian songs mainly aimed at Stubbs. Smoke bombs were lit off and some of our fans entered the park only too willing to fight. Yes Hibs fans were much worse however it's delusional to say our fans were innocent.



23 May 2016 10:11:02
Biffo, a tiny amount of Rangers fans were on the pitch, what don't use people understand, rangers players and staff were attacked, see if rangers or Celtic fans behaved the way hibs done, well let's just say we would never hear the end of it, yes theirs been plenty pitch invasions but how many times clubs players been attacked in the process, I'm so angry by the media response to Saturday and now I'm dreading the next time rangers play hibs.



23 May 2016 06:49:15
You seem trying really hard to ignore the fact it was Rangers players and staff who were being attacked, the hibs supporters ran as far towards the Rangers end as they could.



22 May 2016 18:39:29
I think everyone is being rather harsh on the boys.
Granted yesterday was absolutely gutting. But let's face it the better team won on the day.
But we shouldn't be giving our players the stick that we are. They have been phenomenal all season. And from what I've seen people on have negativity when we've lost. A true rangers fan never only sings when we win. We lost the final but we are back where we belong in Scotland's top tier. And hibs will be down there scrapping against the likes of Dundee Utd and Falkirk and in my view Falkirk should win the championship next season if they perform like they did this season

People saying Tavs and Halliday are terrible? How? .
Okay Tavs isn't the best defender but has great pace and has plenty of goals in him. And Andy is a great player. Strong physically and mentally and can score! They have been great additions to our squad!

Just think we should take it easy on our lads. They've worked hard all season and did what needed t be done!

Follow With Pride
!



22 May 2016 19:39:42
You say that tav isn't the best defender but surely as a right back his job first and foremost is to defend and especially in the latter part of season and certainly yesterday he hasn't done that, I like his attacking instincts but we need a right back to be able to defend.



22 May 2016 20:03:47
Tavernier can't defend never mind being called not the best defender. He has cost us a load of goals and yesterday Stokes ripped him to bits. It was similar to when Petta did the same to Ricksen but for the whole game and not just 20 mins. The players have been rotten since the cup semi and the defending was awful yet again. The criticism is justified and I don't think anyone has posted anything out of order.



22 May 2016 20:11:13
The manager has to take some responsibility for Tavernier's defending because he has told him to bomb forward, which means there will be gaps at the back.



22 May 2016 21:47:47
BossHogg

Bombing forward has nothing to do with his poor defending yesterday. Stokes continually went by him as if he wasn't there and Tavernier attempt to mark Stokes at their second goal was appalling.



22 May 2016 21:10:00
Tavernier has scored a lot more goals than he could be blamed for this season. That ends the argument for me. Can't have it both ways, a roving defender who scores 15+ a season and can defend like Maldini. These players don't exist for £100,000, more like £50m. Give the guy a break man.

The defense will be sorted in the summer, a commanding CB and CDM will sort the whole thing out. I still think Wilson will play next year beside a more experienced CB or even Crooks. Some of his passing was great yesterday, he just needs a dominating player in beside him to clear their lines in the mould of Weir.



23 May 2016 07:38:47
Recbob

He is supposed to be a defender! He can't defend! Either play him right midfield and get another full back or get rid of him.



22 May 2016 19:04:54
Terrific statement from the club today .



22 May 2016 19:45:04
Hate to disagree but don't believe we should overreact. What happened after the final whistle yesterday was disgraceful and will result in criminal prosecution for identified individuals and sanction for Hibs. We should let the authorities and SFA respond appropriately which I am sure they will do early in the week. Not good I feel to name individuals because they may have commented unwisely in the immediate. They will need to explain themselves in the near future. We are all aware of the uniqueness of the Scottish culture and the deep issues that extend beyond football. Now is a time for us to display calmness and provide Leadership IMO.



22 May 2016 19:45:39
Absolutely agreed.

The lack of media coverage is appalling, almost as if nothing happened. All the BBC can show tonight is the bus doing a tour of Edinburgh. Goodness attacking and injuring footballers on the field, and that poor chap in Haymarket. Petrie must resign from SFA, his position is unattainable. Cosgrove must go as well from BBC. Cannot wait to see what Jackson says tomorrow in DR.

Nicola has been very far from clever as well.



22 May 2016 19:44:28
yes but it was a statement that should not have been needed its despicable that there has been no contact fro hibs or the s f a to enquire what was the extent of injurys were sustained and for b b c commentator tom english to blame rangers supporters when no even being at the game and cosgrove to state a few hibs hibs were involved the way hibs supporters charged straight to the rangers end was like a scene out of lawrence of arabia the s f a ust be ade to take serious action against hibs but no doubt we will be castigated for a couple renditions of the billy boys i await with baited breath to see what transpires.



22 May 2016 18:48:07
Yes Rangers had a "good" season promotion was the primary objective and was achieved.

But the questions are clear to lose the cup final in that manner was indefensible!

Losing 3 goals in almost every key game in the last couple of months Hibs twice, Raith Rovers, Falkirk and Queen of the South - 1/ 3 of the whole season goals in 4 games What was that all about?

First priority for a defender is to defend surely they can't go awol all the time?



22 May 2016 20:14:31
Who do you think tells the full backs to bomb forward at every opportunity? Who has the manager told to cover that space when the full back in up the park? SUrely you are not expecting a player to be at both ends of the pitch at the same time (this is not Shroedinger's cat you know) ?



22 May 2016 09:23:45
Ok i personaly think that if sfa do nothing just like at motherwell then we should boycott every away game next year for safety reasons. tell the sfa our team bus is going no where as u can't guarantee our safety.

shocking scenes but yet they will do nothing. why would anyone want to go to a game like that. only media i heard was it was hibs fans in jubilation but a small section of our fans went on to retaliate. you have to laugh it wasnt our fans ripping up the pitch fighting and causing fear to everyone including players and children. i'm sure its already worldwide news tho.



22 May 2016 19:14:24
Just read the down market east end site, we're already tried, convicted and sentenced! In the name of sporting integrity of course.

Over to you Petrie, let's see what you and your mates at the SFA can come up with. Oh yes over exuberance and 114 years of hurt.



22 May 2016 18:35:46
Fellow bears this is a petition to get hibs kicked out of Europe and banned from Scottish cup next year.


Hibs Petition



22 May 2016 18:55:12
This is seriously a wind up surely.



22 May 2016 19:27:43
Why would it be don't you think the way hibs fans acted like was ok it's a disgrace if rangers fans would have done that we would be hammered the day on all charges your obviously not a bluenose.



22 May 2016 19:51:41
I'll try one more time, Rangers like just about every other Scottish club voted against Strict Liability so anybody signing that embarrassing petition is wasting their time.

Personally I do find it a bit sickening that Petrie and Leanne Dempster have ignored the chance to apologise for the behaviour of their fans and think this proves that they both completely lack class.

Finally, in my lifetime I've seen Rangers fans fight on football parks, Aston Villa in '76, Barcelona in '72 and Hampden in 1980, not to mention the horrible scenes in Manchester. Some of the hypocritical crap doing the rounds is doing my head in and I for one will not be attempting to take the moral high-ground here.



22 May 2016 20:23:59
Agreed - statement is a bit too much on the offensive for me. It almost excuses our own nutters and borders on paranoid.



22 May 2016 20:52:53
Southsider, rangers fans did, or are you just looking at the pictures you want to.
I've hunted the net, and can't find any pics of players being beaten, but I will say the majority of pitch invaders were just celebrating including the dancing guy.
The moral high ground your standing on, is lost the minute Rangers supporters invade the pitch and start fighting.

I feel the club are using this as an excuse to hide the fact that Dave King has to invest a large sum into that team to compete next year, and can you tell me that was worse than West Ham fans last week.



22 May 2016 19:45:03
Just so I've got this right.
Is this an attempt to take Hibs place in Europe? I want no part of it. The fans went OTT, quite literally, but they won the game.



22 May 2016 20:00:11
no i don't beleive its a wind up if hibs support caused scenes like that in europe or european home games they must be punished rangers first and supporters groups should not attend any away matches whatsoever until this matter is sorted that would bring the matter to a head when clubs start missing the gate money 5/8 thousand travelling bears pay.



22 May 2016 22:45:34
Big bill, hibs and hearts supporters are probably the worst in Scotland in my eyes, but this whole statement reeks of Charles green tactics of everyone hates us, buy season tickets and nothing else, that was a poor display by Rangers and showed you cannot compete for the league whilst buying a team of cheap mediocre pros, so let's get that idiot Jim trainer to do the slide of hand tactics, and start a cheap decorating job to cover the cracks.



22 May 2016 13:07:19
Can't believe people are saying Tav doesn't have a future at our club had a bad game and couple at the end of the season, we've won two trophies in our first year with our new manager and team and people are moaning about losing the cup final and I doubt Barton or Niko won't be coming now as Barton was coming for football not money to play in the old firm most likely and Niko is playing in the second tier in America with plastic fans at there age they just want to play football I'd be surprised if they didn't come.



22 May 2016 11:33:50
Just a wee note to wulliek. Yeah they 3 played rubbish yesterday, But all season were amazing. I'm a Gers fan and it looked to me hibs where a better team. Who cares if we win or get beat. The main thing is we are back in the top flight. I'm excited to see what team we will have for next season and in hope challenge Celtic for that league!

Thoughts guys?



22 May 2016 11:26:09
Looking ahead to next season I feel at the moment with a fully fit team we can beat any SPL team on our day and comfortably at that. the problem being far too many weeks we don't hit they levels and could cost us a lot of points next year as teams will punish us.

For the amount of the ball we have we create very minimum chance on goal, due to breaking to slow moving the ball to the side instead of forward so by the time we get to their box we have 2 walls of 5 to try break down. Next year it was to be faster and more drive from the midfield taking a man on every now and again.



22 May 2016 18:10:14
Defence was shocking and Wilson only one who gets pass marks.
Midfield looked like they were playing on sand and are far too lightweight.
Up top Miller was by far our best player with McKay and Waghorn playing on peripheral.

As for Subs why o why didn't MW use 2 youngsters to fill the bench for experience for them and to fill in if req?! Can't understand why you would want to use less than quota!

The target this year was to win the league but yesterday has put a dampener on this when Europe was touching distance. At least 8 or 9 players required if we want to attempt to put up a challenge and hopefully King will put some serious cash down for investment albeit in sensible terms .



22 May 2016 17:50:45
Am I the only one who thinks that Zelalem is a very, very good player (don't answer! ) . He keeps the ball well, uses it intelligently and sits deep. If Arsenal will let him out on loan again next season he would be, in my opinion, a great player to have in the pool of midfield players. Keeping possession is key to winning games and he seems pretty good at it.

Why did Warburton take him off after an hour and put Shiels on? I also think that if he is available Dominic Ball should be taken on again on loan from Spurs. If he had played yesterday we would have won. Finally, how about Darren McGregor being re-signed to play centre back alongside Wilson or Crooks?



22 May 2016 18:33:25
I would keep him he's the only proper central midfielder we have had this year and it shows.



22 May 2016 16:59:02
I have steadfastly tried to avoid all forms of media and communication with anyone since 4.45pm yesterday. I sat through a gig after the game with my family in abject mysery but got through the night without resorting to violence - although managed not to communicate without either. 6 swift pints of San Miguel whilst watching the game has not - unfortunately - enabled me to forget what I witnessed. What I have to post may already have been posted but it'll prove carthartic for me even if behind the curve for others. Apologies in advance.

Firstly - big congratulations to Hibs. They clearly wanted it more than us and fully deserved their victory. No need to elaborate further on this.

Secondly - the most disappointing aspect for me was the manner of the defeat, as per above. I thought we were dreadful. Slow, 2nd to first ball, 2nd to second ball, consistently harried out of possession, inert in attack, etc. Really not enjoyable to watch a Rangers team perform like that in a Cup Final. Yet another reality check, as if we've not had enough in last few weeks.

Thirdly - I've defended the defenders this season but can't defend the indefensible any more?! They were awful - especially Tavernier. How many goals have we lost in last 10 games and how many in last minute of matches - Falkirk, QoS, Raith Rovers, Hibs. Too brittle, too much panic, too weak, lacking experience. Even if we are 3 up with 10 mins to I would not be confident. This has to change.

Fourthly - what on earth was that all about at the end? I have little interest in what the Hibs fans did but why were there Rangers' fans on the pitch? I'd be interested to hear ANY defence or attempted justification of these actions by our own supporters.

Finally - now I've got that off my chest, what a good season. Mission accomplished and preparations for next season well under way. It'll be very interesting indeed and I look forward to the highs and highs again when it all starts.



22 May 2016 20:27:59
Good God - I'm replying to my own post. Our own club has attempted to justify our own fans on the pitch yesterday. Help!



21 May 2016 22:32:02
Cummings is a Big gambler! We need to steer clear. He's a riordan/ oconnor all over. We were poor at the back today, need a decent centre back!? Any thoughts.



22 May 2016 16:07:07
Invidually Tav, Kiernan, Wilson, Wallace (as good a captain he is caught out a bit as well but that's due to the style of play) are great but collectively as a team lack communication etc and it is embarrassing to watch, to me they are not bad players however a few more defenders are needed for completion.



22 May 2016 17:23:37
Tav can't defend. Kiernan can't tackle. Wilson is a scapegoat. Wallace is a decent player, no more.



22 May 2016 15:54:27
Waghorn was hugging the touchline doing nothing mckay was awful zelam is awful plus the hibs fans invading the pitch so what they were proud of there team and the victory let's face it we would have done the same if we had achieved a great win defeat is hard to take but let's allow them there moment of glory and not be bitter and jealous.



22 May 2016 16:03:51
Bigjim6

I would hope we wouldn't have attacked the other teams players. I was on the pitch at Pittodrie when we won the league under Souness. First player I saw was Jim Bett shook his hand and celebrated no thoughts of causing any trouble.



22 May 2016 16:18:07
Bigji i don't think we would have invaded the pitch, i know i would never invade a pitch, ime thrre to watch the football, not to inspect the grass.



22 May 2016 16:38:05
Don't have a problem with them winning as they fully deserved it but when fans invade the pitch and attack our players and staff without provocation I would say people would be entitled to be well bitter about it.



22 May 2016 17:05:34
They invaded the pitch attacked rangers players ran full length of pitch to goad rangers fans nothing bitter about it.



22 May 2016 16:45:48
There is allowing them their moment of glory and then there is destroying parts of Hampden and attacking our players and staff. A club with an average attendance of 10000 gets 25000 tickets for the final. Just wondering where the additional 15000 so called supporters came from and whether Hibs knew who they were selling tickets to.



22 May 2016 17:18:58
Zelalem was our best player yesterday.



22 May 2016 17:28:56
Anyone who defends yesterday's shameful events is a person.

I'm glad it was them that did it, I am embarrassed by the idiots in our support who continue to sing sectarian songs, but even these idiots wouldn't do what hibs fans did yesterday. Imagine our fans had done that after semi-final win over Celtic. Would have been horrible bloodbath.

Seriously anyone who thinks invading pitch to charge opposition fans and players is acceptable is a complete fool.



22 May 2016 17:54:10
Has anyone from the Scottish Parliament came out with any statements regarding yesterday's escapade?



22 May 2016 16:56:58
Nah yer wrong, we would've celebrated from the stands! Did you see any Rangers supporters invade the pitch after the win over our biggest rivals? Thought not!



22 May 2016 15:09:10
Three main points from yesterday

1. Yesterday wasn't a blip that's how we have played for a good stretch of the season. Only difference is we didn't get away with it. Hibs players deserve win.

2. The aftermath is a disgrace. No excuse for it, anyone who does excuse it is a fool. Likes of Stubbs, petrie, nevin and strachan excusing it is shameful. What if more than a handful of our fans had taken the bait, realistically could of been a bloodbath. Hibs fans are a disgrace and both presentation and parade should have been cancelled. Unless sfa take strong action ie ban them from cup or revoke Euro place then it will happen again. Motherwell getting a slap on wrist last season is part of the problem, it basically said that it was ok.

3. In terms of next season it only proves what many have said all season- major investment is needed, higher calibre players are needed and management need to learn from mistakes. One way of playing with no plan b makes life rather easy for the opposition.



22 May 2016 16:05:28
We need to spend a few quid and get an entire defence as well as a goal scoring striker. We are miles off challenging for the league and will struggle unless a lot of changes are made.



22 May 2016 16:20:23
Luigi if our fans never entered the pitch lots of people in the south stand could have been injured, imho.



22 May 2016 16:52:32
Agree, partucularly point 1. The better team definitely won yesterday. We have done nothing since the Celtic game and our performance was way below the standard expected. Imo only Miller played played well and Fod and Wilson get pass marks. Since the Celtic game we have been guilty of complacency and a tad arrogant. On the pitch yesterday we were second best a committed Hibs team that wanted it more than us. Hope we can learn from yesterday's performance and use it as a positive to drive improvement for next season. Onwards and upwards now.



22 May 2016 16:52:39
Couldn't agree more - Stubbs and the rest of the clowns who made excuses for that disgrace are the root cause of what is wrong with Scottish football. This was a situtuaion that has now been viewed globally, what does that say about Scotland and Scottish football. At the very minimum Hibs should be banned from next years competition and the European place should be revoked.



22 May 2016 17:39:19
Win over Celtic papered over the cracks. Yes we have achieved number one target, promotion but we limped over the line not charged over it.

Hypothetical question- would we have been champs if hearts team of last season had been there this season? I'm not so sure we would have.

It's not simply a question of spending money, wether we have it or not. Manager must show he can learn from mistakes made over and over again- so far he hasn't shown he can.

I honestly don't expect us to mount a serious challenge next season, with good recruitment and better tactics then perhaps we can finish 3 or 4.



22 May 2016 14:47:37
just thinking out loud, how about giving the captaincy to Kenny Miller next season?



22 May 2016 15:28:01
He would be the only one other than Wallace in my opinion.



22 May 2016 17:06:32
Kenny has been a fantastic player and ambassador for our great club but at 37 I can't see him playing every game and a captain should be playing every game mate.



22 May 2016 17:36:06
I think it's disgraceful to be questioning Wallace's Captaincy in my opinion.



22 May 2016 15:57:31
What would giving the captain armband to miller solve? Wallace has been one of the consistent players all season. Gk, rb, cb's, cm's with presence is what we need.



22 May 2016 14:20:39
Can't understand why the manager does a substitution in the 60-65 minutes of a game, he's done that all season. Also it didn't take long for teams to suss out how to play against us, now we're in the top league, the teams will work it out to, time for DW to start advising MW to have different game plans, not just attacking.



22 May 2016 18:00:00
Also why not use some of the younger lads to fill the bench? Great experience for them and if they can fill a position when required then great! Seriously can't understand why MW leaves us players short?!



22 May 2016 15:45:10
I'm beginning to agree, its been great, but I'm not sure if Warburton will be aware of how bad we defend, its ok blowing away wheelie bins, but most will have found out how to score against rangers, and how to stop them attacking, hopefully far, far better players, but so will septic, warns thinking is great, but a real football manager will suss it out very quickly.

you can be assured Stubbs will have known exactly what was coming on the hour and was delighted he had been offered a clear path back into the game, maybe, only maybe the manager has done his work here, I strongly believe McInnis will be at ibrox, in the not too distant future, before the usual suspect get on I'm not saying I want warns to go, far from it.



22 May 2016 18:21:35
Think the three week break done us no good what so ever, kenny miller was the only player on the park for us, real pity we are not in Europe which we were not expecting at the start of the season anyway so let's just get on with it and see what next season brings .



22 May 2016 13:40:36
Guys to be honest was yesterday so unexpected, we haven't kicked a ball since the celtic game. Too many players on holiday mode, they just didn't turn up. So now we regroup a few more decent signings and hopefully kick on for the new season.
In Warburton we trust.



22 May 2016 14:50:00
Not really a great attitude though Rob. It was a cup final, I see what you're saying but that's what you expect in a friendly game.



22 May 2016 16:28:31
This started way before Celtic game, it merely papered over the cracks.



22 May 2016 18:00:13
The main thing to take away is that our defending needs to be looked at and commanding centre backs need to be brought in.



22 May 2016 15:05:01
Hope the players are hurting as much as we are. The performance was shocking. All in all a great season under circumstances. I got it tight on here for suggesting that we needed much better players to compete in the spl. After yesterday it is crystal clear that we need much better.

Miller 36yrs was the only pass mark. MW needs to up his game tactically as we had no answer to them pressing us high, we sat off them too much and got bullied off the ball. Totally Unacceptable. New gk, rb, cb's, cm's urgently required.



22 May 2016 14:20:33
Does he not know we can't defend, against anyone? I love the guy for his play and his demeanour, but we should have covered every defensive options yesterday, Tavernier simply can only hit a great ball, he is hopeless in defence, and he is primarily a defender, we should have shored up the back with whoever is going well in the reserves,

he should not have replaced zelalom, nor brought on Clark or shields, he shed have realised at 2-1 up we needed to pack the back to middle, he simply did what he has done every single week, and it didn't scare hubs, on another point, you can be assured Rangers fans will be blamed as much as their filth for the aftermath, I strongly believe they should be stripped of the cup, and we should push for that after our players were attacked.



22 May 2016 11:02:58
OK after much soul searching and a sleepless night I have to ask the forum
We were poor yesterday (and have been so for the last 2months apart from celtic game) and complete rebuild needed with so many players leaving. I think we need about 6 not including the 3 new lads already signed
Now free agents won't fill the void so will king come up with some money real money?



22 May 2016 11:15:09
Well put it this way if he doesn't mw will take the first job offered down south. The look on his face yesterday after the pitch invasion and the assaults on his players I wouldn't be surprised if he left. king not getting his wallet out will hasten his departure. He has been clear he wants players in before pre-season starts so we won't have to wait long to find out.



22 May 2016 11:30:46
Looking at our bench yesterday it was going to be hard to change the game, definitely missed big ball, zelalem is good on the ball but couldn't tackle a fish supper, our defending of corners has been terrible all season and needs to be attended to by signing good defenders which I'm sure the manager will also our failure to score from corners is concerning aswell, eg away game against alloa which we drew we had 23 corners, but now that the dust has settled if I was told at the beginning of the season we would win the league and beat Celtic I would have been happy with that, the players put the tools away after the semi and that was disappointing, but in the light of the day were are in a much better place than this time last year, so let's trust the manager in sure he will do the right things and bring in the right staff to do us proud next season.



22 May 2016 12:11:11
Doubt King will spend more than the bare minimum required and in all probability Celtic will massively outspend us. Saying that we know Warbs spends wisely.

As for this season as a whole. Much improved, just think back a year to when we were being humiliated by a poor Motherwell side.

A cup win would have been sweet - and I did have a tenner on us at 9/ 1 so am doubly gutted about yesterday but since we beat Celtic in the semi, at least we had a very enjoyable campaign.



22 May 2016 12:14:59
Mullad I am grateful for what David King has done for the club but in all honesty I don't think the guy has the "real money".

For Rangers to compete they must find investment from the right investors who are willing to dig deep. There are investors out there with interest in football and it's up to the club to sell themselves the best it can.



22 May 2016 13:12:00
I don't think it's about money as such, just getting the right players in will do me. There are plenty players to be found without massive transfer fees. I'm sure MW has his transfer targets lined up, and getting beat in a one off game won't change that.
This squad was put together to win the championship. They did that and now a squad will be put together to challenge for the title. It can be added to in January as well if it's falling short.
I personally don't want huge outlays for players, we've been down that route. As long as the manager gets his targets I'll be happy as I trust his judgement.
Maybe Rodgers will get £15m but that doesn't worry me, he blew £250m at Liverpool to replace Suarez and left them in 9th in the league. Klopp took the same team to a Europa league final.
As for saying the Manager will leave, that is ludicrous. He lost a final, it happens. DW was in the paper 2 days ago says my the two of them are 100% committed and are here for the long haul. People need to calm down.
I injuries, suspensions and players being Cup tied derailed the season a bit at the end, but it was still a great season from a good bunch of players. They've all played a lot games this year and gave everything for the jersey.



22 May 2016 13:57:29
we have only ourselves to blame the talk of bar signing
then the manky mob announce 45k a week for a new manager
with a budget of 20 mill desmond certainly put king in his
place and stubbs showed the magic hat how to motivate.



22 May 2016 14:35:34
Recbob yip mate i couldn't have put it better myself, though ime sometimes partial to blowing the fuse when some of our own supporters can't see this for themselfs, so well done mate, brill.



22 May 2016 13:48:07
I'm sure these investors would rather put their money in down south where there is mad money to be made. Who is going to put real money in to Scotland without the guarantee of CL football? The 3 qualifying rounds aren't a given as seen across the city.



22 May 2016 15:32:29
Yesterday should remind everyone it's still early days in this rebuild. remember where we came from since 2012? We have come such a long way and we should recognise our achievements, not turn on what are for the most part young players .

We cannot simply expect to win by turning up for a match and predict we will win by this or that, that's where complacency comes from. We will without doubt, have many more trophies and achievements under MW and DW . See the result for what it was and move on, it was a cup final we've won many and lost some too . Get behind what we have started and look forward to a bright future, who cares what other teams do -We are Rangers!



22 May 2016 10:24:17
Well I must say I'm glad we achieved our goals for the season. Get back to the top flight! Now it's time to do some transfers make the squad better and move forward. It would've been sweet to win the cup but it wasn't meant to be. Quick question for you all, after watching Tav yesterday it is evident he isn't a defender, who would you all go for to replace him?



22 May 2016 10:59:12
Fraser Aird has been converted to RB at Vancouver Whitecaps and reports are he's been playing very well there. I would recall him to fight for the RB role with Tav.



22 May 2016 11:04:03
Im not sure but what we are needing is somebody who will wipe out anybody in the box to clear it, massive cb who controls everything in the box, tbh i thought we were very lucky yesterday and the scoreline flattered to decieve.



22 May 2016 14:03:20
Sorry guys like Aird and Clark just will not do in the top flight.



22 May 2016 16:11:05
Tavernier can't play at right back he can't defend. How can people not see that? To either play him right mid or you get rid of him.



22 May 2016 16:45:18
So somebody thinks one or both of these players should be in the team next season? Could you please explain your reasoning?



22 May 2016 17:21:50
How can anyone disagree with aird and Clark not being good enough? Seriously unless it's them!

Clark gave the ball away every time he touched it, including in the hibs half where they run up park got the corner the winning goal came from.

Aird couldn't cut it in any of the league's we have played in.



22 May 2016 09:50:33
Well that's the season over, let's move on (easier said than done) and get building a squad that can challenge next year because on the evidence of yesterday I'm afraid there is no chance of half of those players guiding us anywhere near a title! what's with the 60th minute subs? no need for it yesterday, zelalem was doing OK in there then warbs takes him off for Sheilds! get a grip man Sheilds is useless! anyway let's see who we bring in for the new season, hopefully an imposing centre half or 2.watched it about 50 times and I still don't have a clue what keirnan was doing for the 1st goal, go and make a tackle!



22 May 2016 09:50:10
In the cold light of morning I'd have taken winning the Championship and getting back to the SPL at the start of this season. The Scottish Cup run was a bonus. We did play brilliantly to beat Kilmarnock, Dundee and Celtic getting to the final but were defensively poor against Hibs. Even then, 2-1 up with 10 minutes to go we should have won. This has happened too often this season despite us winning the league. This defensive weakness must be sorted out before the start of next season. Tavernier and Kiernan are not up to the standard. Wilson was better yesterday and might benefit from an experienced CB beside him. Still not sure about our goalkeeper though. With Wallace, Holt, Halliday, Mackay, Waghorn, Miller, Forrester, Hardie, King and O'Halloran we've the basis of a decent squad. Let's hope Windass, Crooks and Rossiter are up to the mark but we will need a couple of heavyweight signings mainly in defence and midfield. Rodgers will be given money to spend at Celtic so we must be able to challenge them next season and have a squad capable of winning the SPL.



22 May 2016 09:46:39
Sorry for negativity but our defence yesterday was a farce, an embarrassment for not the first time this season and a poor advertisment for RFC and recruitment. MWs tactics were shown up again by Stubbs who got it spot on, but saying that, it doesn't take a genius to manage a team against us. I said before if u want to play like Barcelona u need players like Barcelona. How come we are one of the very few teams in Europe who play 4-3-3 nowadays? Most EPL teams play 4-2-3-1 with a plan B and C. Our lack of tactical flexibility is making us a laughing stock. As much as I like watching attractive football I hate watchin us lose stupid goals.
Ok its works in progress and I'm lookin forward to the new appropriate signings and next season.



22 May 2016 09:22:44
People are referring to this as a great cup final, Rangers were poor and the better team won on the day,
Stuart Petrie. of Hibs and The SFA should be challenged on his Statment about the invasion and players being attacked this man should no longer hold his position within the SFA but he will and Police Scotland couldn't protect 11 football players and staff you were as much use as a chocolate fire guard!



22 May 2016 09:51:28
Bongo

How many Hibs fans ran on the park compared to how many police were there? I'm no fan of the police however there is no way u can stop that amount from coming on the pitch.



22 May 2016 10:51:49
Would the person who disagreed with my comment about being unable to stop that amount of fans coming on the park please explain how you can do it?



22 May 2016 10:54:36
They seemed to have control of the Rangers end so much that photos show thousand of Hibs fans invading the park and hitting player whilst the filmed the Rangers fans it'll all be covered up by in house police and SFA enguiry.



22 May 2016 11:05:57
Hibs fans should b banned from away games all next season. it would defo send a message to all hooligans in scotland. 😤.



22 May 2016 12:33:31
Biffo i never hit the disagree button but the easiest way to prevent hibe supporters invading pitches is to ban them, fairly simple eh.



22 May 2016 13:29:53
I should also have said in above post we as supporters should never go to away games weither its easter road aberdeen where ever, let these other clubs perish without the blue pound, after all they all said they don't need us, so let's see how much they need us, celtic fc abandoned there place because of the football they played, they would survive without us going to there place, but only because we are back, but the others can go and fester,



22 May 2016 15:52:51
Impossible to stop yes but police response was pathetic. Far too slow and far far too lightweight. Trophy presentation should have been called off along with parade today- that would have been a suitable punishment.

At end of day they were better side. But likes of Stubbs needs to look in mirror and realize he has stoked dislike into hatred. Hearing likes of nevin on BBC and strachan on sky excusing behaviour is beyond belief.

Will it take a full scale riot or bloodbath before something is done?



22 May 2016 17:24:42
I think that Hibs punishment should be a great deal more than cancelling the presentation of a cup and a parade. If the SFA does not take immediate and suitable action now - and not in 6 months as they did for Motherwell - I honestly fear for the future of Scottish football. A national manager excusing that disgrace on television is beyond belief - but I suppose we shouldn't be surprised by any of the drivel that emanates from Strachan's gob.



22 May 2016 14:32:06
TAke the cup from them, that's the only suitable punishment, can't believe that not been suggested yet, its not right that they keep the trophy, after assault and rioting, would you keep your job if you did that?



22 May 2016 09:00:59
Gutted about yesterday.
Very few players turned up and we were lucky to be in the match as long as we were.
Everyone has to take their share of the blame including our management.

It is time to close the book on what has been overall a great season and look forward to improving and next season.

I guess we will now see the true nature of some. Come on Mr Barton. what now?



22 May 2016 08:19:05
No post match comments from Warburton . it really wouldn't surprise me now if he accepts the first approach he gets from an English EPL team.

Who would want to bring his family into that environment where it appears acceptable for fans from other teams to invade the pitch, attack players and staff and goad Rangers fans. It happened at Motherwell (no meaningful punishment! ) . it's happened yesterday.

What if we play Celtic in Cup FInal next season? It was proven yesterday how easy it is to get past stewards and invade the pitch in large numbers. You can just see it happening again.

Of course . had it been the other way round yesterday . could you imagine Sportscene presenters laughing it off and saying it was just relief and exuberance?

No one likes us? Never a truer word has been sung! Our fans get arrested for singing songs . how many Hibs fans were arrested for assault? Or for going onto the pitch?



22 May 2016 09:01:35
Think too many people are hiding behind what happened after the game rather than concentrating on what happened during the final. Bottom line is we were poor once again conceded 3 terrible goals and major defensive deficiencies were exposed yet again. Feel Warburton should have come out and explained how a team he said were fully prepared for the final were clearly not and why Waghorn who was clearly nowhere near fit started the game. Warburton is on record as saying he wouldn't risk him unless fully fit. Also he needs to admit that his notion of having a small squad has come back to bite us. I don't necessarily fall out with that but it only works if you have a squad that are all playing an active part. Sadly our bench was filled with players who know their time is up at the club and have contributed nothing this season.



22 May 2016 11:12:38
SASB64. Have you watched English football recently? Do you miss Manchester United's bus being attacked for instance?

Yes the Hibs fans were disgraceful and some of our fans were too, though far less of them. From what I heard on the radio after the game Willie Miller and Chick Young both absolutely condemned the Hibs fans' bahaviour. Even Tam Cowan apparently laid into them on his show so let's not go down the Celtic road of claiming the media are all against us.



22 May 2016 11:36:07
We need to calm down a bit. The majority of hibs fans were just celebrating. With regards the bad environment virtually every play off game in england has had some sort of pitch invasion.



22 May 2016 13:33:10
Huey so you think yesterdays pitch invasion is exceptable because it happens in england phew wtfm?



22 May 2016 08:15:47
Must be a whole lot of worried hibbies this morning. Everything on cctv, photos in every paper, my oh my, ohh and those dafties smiling on the crossbar. Put it this way if that was us the whole of police Scotland would be door chap pin in the early hours and lifting everyone in blue and white. So, justice will be served Or will it?

Ha ha, ha ha you are the silly bhoys.



22 May 2016 08:59:55
I think there will be a lot of worried supporters of both sides, the footage I've seen is quite damning on both sides.
It's bad enough the winning side invade the pitch, but when the losing side does it too, I'm afraid in my eyes that is for 1 reason only. This notion that rangers supporters were innocent and just helping the police is laughable.



22 May 2016 09:02:53
Stuzo

There will be a few token arrests and Hibs will probably get a fine and maybe their next match in the cup to be played behind closed doors but other than that I doubt much will be done.



22 May 2016 10:25:10
Yeah true biffo, let's face it Warbs should never have brought Clark on he should have shored up midfield at 75 mins, wee McKay through middle, play on counter and we would have got three.



22 May 2016 08:45:34
And the truth will come out I have just seen footage of wallace coming of the park and no sign of him being assaulted. He jogs from hallway line past stubbs at tunnel so unless he was assaulted inside tunnel someone is telling porkies.



22 May 2016 08:13:16
Well that's our season over I only hope we can crack on and start preparations for next season without this black cloud hanging over for too long. I hope that warburton accepts a contract extension now that he has seen how anti Rangers scottish football really is.



22 May 2016 08:44:37
First thing he needs to do is get a bigger squad. He has been caught out with having such a small squad. There is likely to be at least 5 or 6 players leaving and we need about 8 or 9 replacements. That's also not taking into account players like Wilson, Foderingham and Kiernan who are clearly not good enough and need to go.



22 May 2016 07:04:09
First post bears but think danny Wilson gets a bad rap on here a think he's a confident ball player and he did well yesterday.



22 May 2016 08:02:58
Danny Wilson has been made a scapegoat all season mate.



22 May 2016 08:23:27
Look at the goals lost and how often it's the same type of goals. He is as culpable as the other defenders and has been very poor. Nothing to do with being made a scapegoat. He isn't good enough and like Kiernan must be replaced.



22 May 2016 08:32:35
I think the defence collectively have to carry the can for the goals we lost as well as the numerous chances that Hibs carved out during the match. Davie Weir must have been having kittens on the touchline watching that display. Goal 1. At fault - Kiernan - he must have backed off about 50 yards. Tav is covering Stokes coming inside so at some point Kiernan has to make a decision and come across to make a challenge! He actually turned the incident into a one on one with the goalie who was left with no chance. Goal 2. Stokes gives Tav a half hearted nudge as the ball is coming over to the near post and is left with a free header. Once again the goalie has no chance. Tavernier is a solid guy and a good attacker but really for him to be so easily out muscled was just criminal. Goal 3. The ball is dropping right into CB territory and not one of the defenders gets close to the player and he gets a free header to again give the goalie no chance.
If those incidents were not bad enough the number of times Stokes and to a lesser extent Cummings tore our defence to shreds was quite incredible. There would be no way Gough, Butcher or Amo or Weir would have allowed this pair to boss them like this present lot did. If you recall just after kick off Stokes fired into Holt with a tackle that would have bordered on a red card later in the game. When my father played top flight football in the 50's he was always told to 'post yer intentions early on' by the coaches. And as an old fashioned centre half he certainly did! This is exactly what our guys should have done. Let these players know they were in for a hard time. The open style of play doesn't help as it leaves obvious gaps and allows opposition players too much room. Don’t get me wrong it is great to watch but sometimes I'd just like the guys to stay solid at certain times of the match the way the old teams used to do. A plan b as it were. But then Mark's philosophy is to do plan a better and this isn't going to change anytime soon. I'm just concerned we are too predictable with our 60 minute subs and the rest. I wish we would throw in a curve ball from time to time the way Souness used to do. Give the opposition something to think about. Anyway, all in all a bad day at the office. Congrats to Hibs. They deserved to win. As for their fans - they are beneath contempt. Shocking, absolutely shocking and I really hope our wishy washy football authority hammer Hibs for this in the way they would hammer our club had roles been reversed.



22 May 2016 08:36:02
Forgot to say a lot of people have called for the big keeper to be replaced. I have to say I am still not sure about him as he has made some errors but to blame him for yesterday - no, sorry, he was never at fault for any of the goals. In fact he actually made a few good saves throughout.



22 May 2016 08:50:01
The seeker

While I agree with most of your post I have to point out that we have been losing goals like that all season and the management team have done nothing about it. Kiernan and Wilson have been playing most of the season and no matter how many mistakes they make they still play. Warburton wrongly went with only 3 centre halves all season and persevered with players who continually made the same mistakes. Look at all the Hibs goals against us all season they have been cheap goals to give away yet the same players were picked and made the same mistakes.



22 May 2016 10:31:32
Point taken Biffo, you are spot on. Healthy competition for places never hurt anybody.



22 May 2016 14:40:29
Biffo its not often i agree with your posts, but have to agree this time, i posted much the same comment yesterday, lol.



22 May 2016 16:32:07
Biffo i fully agree with the style and way mw wants us to play, and ime sure new bettter players will come in next term, it must also be excepted mw put thix team together in 6 weeks, so now he has seen what is neede ime sure he will get the right players in now.



22 May 2016 07:21:22
I agree that Wilson can play football well but he isn't commanding or quick enough.



22 May 2016 00:24:39
Not a thing heard from Warburton post match must b raging and no wonder.



22 May 2016 08:25:52
To be honest I think it's poor he hasn't said anything. Yet another poor performance from the team and contrary to what he said about being prepared for the final we were clearly not. Hibs were quicker, hungrier and more determined they fully deserved their win. He has questions to answer about the terrible performance and can't hide behind what happened after the game.



22 May 2016 09:46:57
Biffo you know full well why warbs didn't do post match interview. The man has total class and wouldn't refuse an interview over being beat. No one is trying to hide the fact we were abysmal yesterday but you seem not bothered by the fact that our players and staff were assaulted and spat at.



22 May 2016 02:30:57
Tav is never a right back, he can't defend simples, I could go on all day about the rest of the team! Today was a reality check and I hope Mr King soaked it up! Wee need better players all over the park, we are playing the right way under Warbs it's good football but the quality of player needs to impove and now that we aren't in Europe next year I hope to only get players who want to play for us no matter what!



22 May 2016 07:25:38
There were people on here saying he's better than hutton lol, in all serious though it was a cup final these things happen well done hibs and Stubbs. Now the manager will focus on getting the right players in.



22 May 2016 02:25:28
i think MW needs 2 CBs i was shocked by wilson kiernan. they don't even need to fight for a place. went a bit downward me thinks. crooks will b CB nxt season surely the hat can't leave holt halliday out? thots?



22 May 2016 00:50:27
After today i am totally convinced we need a better keeper. Fod rarely comes of his line at sdt pieces. Our back four is poor, at defending, whilst gòod going forward. But we need to defend. All 3 goals today were poor . Mr Warburton has done a good job BUT lean squad done us today. Zelalem has more chance of making it at Accrington
Than Arsenal. anybody remembrr one decent pass today or the last 10 games he played.



22 May 2016 06:27:18
I don't know why he gets as much stick. it was the defence that sold us the day not the keeper. if anything he had a few great saves.



22 May 2016 07:28:25
I thought big Wes kept us in the game, and wee Zelalem played before being replaced by the invisible man sheils, he just doesn't seem to bring anything to the game, another shocking thing to come out of yesterday's match is the amount media and fans of other clubs implying that our fans were equally complicit in the post match scenes, well done joey B for pointing out that to stop listening to the hysterical commentators and that it was the hibs fans doing all the running and goading.



 
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