Rangers Banter Archive June 23 2012

 

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23 Jun 2012 21:25:49
seems to be some debate about which way celtic are going to vote i am convinced celtic will vote no to a newco , as a matter of fact mr lawell or who ever is representing us knows what will happen if they dont vote no to a newco , we would show them how rangers fans should have dealt with the conmen who were ( are )running their club , so they have no choice but to vote no,we will not tolerate people who we employ going against our wishes ,fab1

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I think celtic will vote yes,the old firm games draw the biggest interest.dc

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Celtic will vote with the majority, you can be sure of this

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As a tic fan celtic will vote the same as murray did with airdrie
business is business

So will vote with the fans NO

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OP, you don't run your club anymore than the average Rangers punter does. Don't pretend to be in control of Celtics boardroom

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23 Jun 2012 21:03:31
spl2 for the mighty gers, watp... jsm

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WATP? really? you do realise the mighty gers are about to be dumped in the bin

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Don't even exist anymore so how "mighty" can something not in existence be? L1888

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@2, If they don t exist anymore, why keep posting on this page. Just a little bit fascinated with Rangers. Support your own club, instead of hating another team. Try it sometime.

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I keep posting because I enjoy the banter with the dead teams fans, (it's a banter site) and I do support my club because I still have one to support, who u gonna follow now? Heard there's a new club just formed over south side if ye fancy giving them a wee go!

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@3: where's the hatred in the post?

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23 Jun 2012 20:31:49
As a Football fan I am stunned by the lack of support by the Rangers fans. One man has stumped up the money to save the club and the fans aren't getting behind him. I know things look bleak but surely the fans should be getting behind him. I know there is uncertainty about which level the club will be playing at but surely your team is your team and you renew your season ticket regardless. It seems to me that if it's a choice of stumping up the season ticket money you've been paying for x number of years or the club's oblivion there's only one option - take the hit, save your club.

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Yeah right and we support another crook maybe and he shafts clubs again and we get more dogs abuse from other fans for someone outwith our control

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The fans would have an easier time supporting him if the was open and honest. He has already told lies concerning his backers and HMRC. If he is what he says he is, why does he need to lie ?

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Green is a CONMAN he's not telling us the truth he's only after the season ticket money and he's toiling to get it and now he's making concessions to try to con us again

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No offense intended but
the same post word for word was posted when Craig Whyte showed up
Once bitten ...

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The original poster is right, when Celtic were close to the wall we were outside Paradise in our numbers. Organising meetings raising money etc. Whilst you's had a red card against liquidation! Which worked a treat! There were more people outside ibrokes when Judas (MoJo) signed for yous than when Craig Whyte told you's you were being placed in Administration!

DazzaBhoy

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Green did not stump up the money to save the club but to make more. Looks it might backfire.

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23 Jun 2012 20:30:14
If Rangers are allowed into the 1st Division if the vote goes against them on the 4th July it will make the Scottish game look even worse than it does just now, Rangers and all there wrong doings as a club (not the fans) has brought the Scottish game to its knees and the club MUST be punished. If a club applied to the SFL for membership they would have to start in Div 3 so how is it so different for Rangers, they as a club have KNOWINGL

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To blame gers for all the ills that have befallen Scottish football is a remark that is way over the top , omg you will be blaming them for all the middle east troubles the global financial instability and world hunger at this rate .

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Time people realised rangers fc are being liquidated,in a few weeks they wont exist.This is a new club that should have to apply to the SFL for a place in div three

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Fair enough, in a business and official sense, we are a new club and maybe we should start at the bottom but think folk need to calm down a bit. There's a fair few folk out there that have an overinflated sense of importance in their selves, their club and our wee league. Look at all the scandal over in Italy, some clubs were dropped 1 division. Yes it has been talked about but really, we don't care. no-one will be outraged other than small minded Scot's. We should face sanctions for being a new club and we will, but for goodness sake can we just not start looking fwd to watching our club teams play some fitba and get over it. On a positive note, looks like Scottish football is getting a makeover.

pappy

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Rangers would be allowed in div 1
no brainer.

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@4 "Rangers would be allowed in div 1"
Care to explain this one to us, no brainer. A club with no registered players and no source of funding getting into the second tier of Scottish football.
Al

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23 Jun 2012 19:31:46
hey bears, lets not forget that mccabe played half a dozen games so even tho' he looked decent, it's not the end of the world. When aluko first arrived, half of you on here were up in arms- 'not in rangers class' rings a bell. Forget what the rags say, remember Goodwillie was a certainty to sign last summer according to some papers. At this time when no-one knows whats gonna happen, they still have to sell papers to us mugs.
Bazbear

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23 Jun 2012 18:58:35
The Newco Rangers is not registered to play in any league in the world, let alone the SPL........so how can they get a vote in the SPL vote to admit them into the league.
It seems to me that once again 'The Old Firm' get whatever they want....whenever! It seems that they can break any rule and the SPL will allow them to do it. Football integrity is a farce with regards Scottish football. It's the biggest joke and the most corrupt league and association in FIFA.
Your new owner makes Craig Whyte look like an angel. He is just a ruthless businessman who will do whatever he wants to get what he wants. He has no respect for the fans or the history of the club. I wonder what will happen, if justice is served and the newco is relegated to the 3rd Division. Will he stick around and support you through the rise back to the top of Scottish football.....I doubt it. Best case scenario for you and your club is the 3rd Division with new owners who have the fans and club at their heart.....and not the sound of the cash register.

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The old firm get whatever they want, really?
We don't want to go out of SPL , so does that mean we will be accepted ?
The fact whether you like it or not is that the Old Firm are Scottish football. The rest of the clubs don't get as many fans together as we or Celtic do. You will find out what a great league it will be next year, finished by October, that will be great. Some others will be fighting for second place about forty points behind Celtic. For years we have heard that Scottish football is boring because it's a two horse race, well imagine when it's a one horse race.

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Most corrupt league ??? have a look at the italians

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Newco Rangers does not have a vote, Oldco Rangers does

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Old Rangers have a vote because they are still in the SPL. However, their mambership is dependant on submitting accounts for the year which Rangers, despite extensions, have failed to do. I think they should not have a vote based on non-submission of accounts.
Al

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23 Jun 2012 18:41:11
I for one believe we will come out of this situation stronger. I have heard some interesting stories and if they go to plan it will sensational headlines.

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Care to share with us all why you think you will be stronger? And what are these 'interesting stories'?

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@1 why don't you ask rtc or Phil whatever his name?

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@2: no, I'm asking you (if you're the OP) as you came on with the claim. Please enlighten us all...

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23 Jun 2012 18:20:09
I think we need to all realise that what was once a jersey is now only a uniform..the players shipping out are looking after themselves and it is difficult to criticise them...se la vie

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23 Jun 2012 17:32:45
Was there not an arrangement that THE rff was going to pay the small creditors of the old co This would offer some goodwill towards those that need it most including the Ambulance servicewho we will expect to turn up in future

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Rfff not a charity have they paid tax ??

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23 Jun 2012 17:35:12
players leaving is not about loyalty or whatever hogwash mentioned here....its about green selling off the players for the total worth of that player....naisy is an example ...on his game and fit he is worth 4 million....mcgregor probably about 6 million .....davis 3 million...need i go on....so if they leave for free then greens pocketbook takes a severe whack....its all about greens money not the clubs money.....the fans should be asking him to prove how much he has actually invested personally....betcha the answer would clear the air.....zero...deecee

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Why are you blaming Green? If he gets their contracts signed to newco,then sells them your new team will generate cash,that you need.

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Toptally agree there, fans are being pushed to get their season ticket money in. For one thing the bank accounts are a problem and second this new consortium needs somebody else's money to get on with making money for themselves.
So the take up of the season tickets is low and the new consortium need money, they need a return in their investment - sell off the assets.

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Why do you hate green he has come in and said he has invested nothing, read his firt statement it was a representative of a singaporian family that approached him about bidding for rangers. Green along with his investors are looking to get the club back into the spl and has constantly said that he will leave when HIS job is done but the club will not be sold. Green doesn't own the club the investors do. So deecee support Rangers and green. Its time Rangers fans got behind the club and its new owners.

CalumB800

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Did Green actually think he was getting £17m in players to sell? For his purchase price of £5.5m.... Lol

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23 Jun 2012 17:28:57
I think its time to start as sevco 5088.untill a name change.

Forget rangers talk all the old playing staff.if anybody transfers over good on them & if not wish them all the best as the wage cut they DID take saved alot of further damage.

Its a simple case now of following sevco 5088 or dissapear do something else as a hobbie.
All this poison of oldco newco is only hampering things.
Rakeing over the carces of oldco is further more dignity being lost.

If u not getting behind a newco stay of n boil your head in the past rangers newco new everything.
Put up or shut up.
Its a disgrace not just to take the chance of a fresh start leave all things behind n move on in 1 direction everybody pulling the other way & reffering to oldco


p.s y dont dundee play dunfermilne spin off nice little earner

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23 Jun 2012 17:19:17
Am i the only one fed up hearing fellow bears constantly moaning about anyone or anything that is said or done by people who are putting effort into salvaging our not so great club??

I am of course referring to the green brigade who have come in and despite being verbally abused by all have put money and a plan in place!! No one is saying its perfect but at least they have come forward so FFS please stop hounding them to the point where they will walk away!!! and lets stop hoping Sir Walter and his team will come riding to the rescue if they were so intent on Rngers salvation they would have done it months ago and not wait till CVA rejection today!

Feel free to verbally abuse me to for trying to be realistic!

Lets get real and lets be united as its the only way to win the war to save our club

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GB what u talking about what have they to do with us ???

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23 Jun 2012 16:48:34
The vote on a newco Rangers entering the SPL could plunge Motherwell into administration whether they are admitted to the league or not, the club has told fans.

In guidance issued to supporters of the Lanarkshire club, posted on the Motherwell fans’ site Fir Park Corner, Motherwell estimated that it would lose more than £900,000 in income without Rangers in the league.

That sum will have to be balanced out with investment from the fans, otherwise it could be tipped into administration, says the club’s board.

Motherwell FC is in the process of moving to a fan ownership model, as majority shareholder John Boyle pledges his stake in the Fir Park club to a group of supporters in the form of the Well Society.

The society’s members are being polled on whether to allow a newco to enter the SPL after Rangers FC began the process of being liquidated.

The breakdown of costs that Motherwell foresee if the newco is voted out of the league are a loss of £600,000 from SPL revenues, made up of sponsorships and the television deal for the league.

The club expects to lose £275,000 in gate receipts from Rangers supporters and estimates a drop of £40,000 in matchday hospitality and sponsorship.

If the newco is allowed to enter the SPL, Motherwell still expects to make losses in gate receipts as it anticipates that fans will stay away for reasons of “sporting integrity”.

In conclusion, the guidance note states: “Whatever decision is made on the newco vote by the SPL clubs, the financial position of Motherwell Football Club will suffer. There are clear risks to the financial stability and very future of this club presented by the current situation.

“In the event of serious financial difficulty, the board will have to look to the members, shareholders and supporters to step up their support for the club and the Well Society. This is likely to be in the form of increased prices, higher attendances and further Society memberships and contributions.

“It is clear that if we are unable to replace significant amounts of income lost under either scenario, the club would be facing an insolvency event. This would lead to a 21 point reduction.”...jsm

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At last some club realising that the reduction in income may result in them being in administration. I know that the bankers for Kilmarnock will put pressure on as they are £10m in debt and understand that ICT will vote us in, maybe it's not done and dusted yet. I expect the pre vote meeting on Monday to explain exactly what no newco means financially.

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@1 they are saying either way they're screwed. Their fans will not buy tickets if newco are allowed into SPL. If not allowed in, then they lose out in newco fans ticket money etc

As much as I want to blame rangers, it's pathetic that the death of one team in a legue can cause the possible death of others. Reliance of the old firm shouldn't happen and hopefully we'll see a better league come out of this

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23 Jun 2012 16:14:58
I have been conned by David Murray
I have been conned by Craig Whyte
I have been conned by Duff & Phelps
I have been conned by the rff
I am not very smart
I am not being conned by Charles Green

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Total agreement m8....me either...deecee

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Is the problem that you have been fooled so many times before, because I don't think Green deserves the flak.
He must feel that he has been the only ones to put up dosh, and without him where would we be. I know he has told a few porkies but here he is having done his best to get a CVA (more money than anybody else), he has done exactly what he said he would and the so called fans that declare undying support are crucifying him, why?
Don't judge him by everyone else performance.
The truth is that they are the owners, the Rangers men have not produced the cash, plenty talk little action.

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23 Jun 2012 16:10:17
Rangers rehabilitation back into Scottish football is a five year project. One year out the game to stabilize the club financially and build a team. Whether suspension or voluntarily.
Followed by entry to div3.
Rushing this broken and battered dis-organisation into any league in weeks is a recipe for disaster. And for what? To deliver TV profits? To bend rules and do rangers a favour?
Rangers will collapse months into any league next and cause havoc.

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And which team do you suggest fill the gap in the league structure only to be told its only for one season because Sevco FC will be taking the place a year later.
Al

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How will a team be built during a year out from football? What player would sign for a club that wasn't in any league or cup competition?

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How the hell can they build a team in a year out. Who is going to be funding this?! Do you honestly think you'll have money thrown at you by investors to support players, coaching, etc? You're having a laugh intya?!

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23 Jun 2012 16:06:29
Great statement by super ally. I personally think the players using the excuse of transfer of contract to leave clubs are judas. If they want to go coz of the financial problems or playing in division 1 then fair enough...put in a transfer request and green shouldnt stand in there way. But at least let the club and more importantly the fans get get some money back on transfer fees when in the greatest hour of need...rather than shaft the fans of the club u allege to support. Where are the true loyal players. Mcculloch is a example to all.

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Is that the same Super Ally that threatened to quit last week and parked his car at the front of Ibrox in front of the cameras? Mate get a grip of reality! If you cant see hes playing you like a fiddle then your beyond help! Super Ally! Lol

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Ally is trying to keep himself in a job. Let's be honest any other club and he would have been sacked by Xmas last year. Let the players move on they have done their bit. Why should they want to play in the lower leagues. They have taken a pay cut and owe the club nothing. Best of luck if they move on

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They are not shafting the fans. Others have done that.

McCulloch is staying because he's 34 years old and no other club will have him. Hope he get's paid.

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Mr. McCulloch is not got a lot of options play on with e decent contract or retire to some other backwater on half the wages.......

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Let's get one thing clear...if mccoist left rangers who would employ him with the management record he has..even the rangers supporters admit he is rangers through and through but crap manager...not wanted in England ...was crap as player their and came back with tail between legs..it's easy to be loyal when theirs no where else to go

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5) why would McCoist want another job?
He's a Rangers man and has no interest in any other job. He would go back to telly work. I don't know if McCoist will be a good manager but am damn glad he's there. He was told by King that Green didn't want him, it is King trying to stir it again. Another with plenty words little action, although he is the only one to apologise, something that would not go amiss for a few others.

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23 Jun 2012 15:09:03
so we are starting to loose players now i for one am not happy with mccabe he is only a little boy he will go to sum team and not even get his game like danny wilson more players to follow him out the door al i can say is we wont have a team to play and if i was mccoist i would walk aswel

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If ever the day arrives when Ally McCoist has walked away, then that's when you put the padlock on Ibrox for ever.
He's our manager,our spokesman, and our legend.If he walks it's over!
P.O.B.

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23 Jun 2012 15:17:22
'23 Jun 2012 12:08:50
Fact: Media are churning out stories about clubs voting as they are typically just trying to create stories to sell papers.

Fact: SPL clubs are using this bandwagon to try and calm there supporters, in particular time when season tickets are due for renewal.

Fact: The vote on 4th July will be a closed door event, 12 chairmen or representatives sitting around a table. No one will know what the votes are as there will be 12 undistinguishable ballot papers put into a hat and counted. The SPL won't want to have the media effecting the outcome and the embarrassment of the last SFA panel that invoked the transfer ban on Rangers.

Fact: We will just have to wait and see. All the outside world will know is what the result is, i.e. 8-4, 7-5, 9-3 etc...'

Is it really a fact that the ballot papers will be placed in a hat? If this is true then I demand to know who this hat belongs to and who these people are who decided to use a hat instead of a ballot box

MikeyBhoy

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You are a funny bhoy, no seriously, you are.

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Ally is that you

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23 Jun 2012 15:05:03
What would be the point in Aluko agreeing for his contract to be transfered when his contrac is expiring / expired?

MikeyBhoy

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Both parties had the option to renew for two years, Rangers would want to take up that option.

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23 Jun 2012 14:54:01
Right guys, lets stop all this bull about not renewing season books and not giving green any money..it has never been about whos getting ur money, its about supporting the team we love. We are on our knees and we all need 2 pull 2gether 2 get our club back to where it belongs. I understand how betrayed and angry we all are but without us the club dies. Green has been the only guy 2 put his money on the table so lets show some respect to him for that and get behind him. Lets SUPPORT our team, that is our role. WE ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE PEOPLE.

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Green has put no money on the table mate! Not a bean, I hear from a good source it's Div 1 for us, 8 or more players wanting to quit! But that's not as easy as they think! And if the signing ban is upheld we will not be able to field a team! But I agree with supporting the team! But do or will we have a team to support?

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As you bears keep telling everybody who will listen that "we are in a league of our own" why not go there as no one else wants you... Timalloy

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Green has put none of HIS money it's come from his backers whoever they are. He is banking on season ticket money JUST LIKE WHITE

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If we tell the truth our Rangers are no more. Is there going to be the same numbers going to see the new team who takes it's place. Know I won't be.

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At least you'll have somewhere to go to on a Saturday or Sunday Tim,co's you're in a wee world of your own.

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23 Jun 2012 14:45:27
Seems to be a rumour going around that Green has told senior Officials that newco are to take one year out of football.Sounds a bit silly but when you break it down it might be the best way to go.Refinance,restructure and start in division three with no debt.

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Cannot possibly survive for 12 months without income.
Administration 2 looks more and more likely.

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In a year's time there won't be a place for you in Division 3 - it'll have been filled by another club. You'll have to hope another club goes out of business and doesn't take a place for New Rangers to get back into the league.

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He has no team and cannot afford to buy one. 5 days to salaries hit bank accounts.

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23 Jun 2012 14:17:37
This is when we will see who really wants to stay at the club,some players are really showing there true colours now,we will take our punishment as long as we keep the best fans in the world,

We are the people and I certainly won't be walking away,who's with me?

Jambo 1980

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These players have a living to earn and incase you havn't noticed football isnt exactly a long career. Some players also have ambitions to play at a higher level or simply dont want to waste 3 precious years languishing in the lower divisions of Scottish Football.

Drew

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23 Jun 2012 14:08:31
The time has come to cut through all the media crap and support our club.
We can start this process by backing Green our owner and Ally our manager by pledging our season ticket money no matter what league we are in we could all pay the full price and just not travel to away games.When we get back we could pay more for our season tickets by 10% to help us return to our rightful place top of the top league-again this could be afforded by not going to away games.The other clubs do not require our money as they keep stating so we should put the extra cash flow into our own club his could be done by a fans group buying shares every year until we have control of our club.

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23 Jun 2012 14:04:28
why don't the rff have a vote to donate the donations to bring the wee girl who's dying home to her parents this alone would go a long way in the eye's of all football supporters .so take a year out go to the 3rd or at least ask ,give the money to who really need it,money or money management has ruined your club. do the right thing . geo

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Okay Geo.
Will you be doing the right thing too?
I will be donating,as an individual,
because i want to.
This has nothing to do with football,
TRFC,or anything.
So get off your rediculously dated high horse and go find a new hobby ffs!
P.O.B.

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Okay pob . i've already donated ok. yes and you are right has nothing to do with football,but so do most post's on here money here money there, how you should spend it, no thought for the real value's in life.as for my high horse , well my friend tis my horse. and a high one at that ...geo

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Pob i should have added that "my rediculously dated high horse"is not dated,is merely an opinion. infact upto date.not like the club you used to support whom are outdated... pob i do have respect for those who have paid a lot of money week in week out to see football being played at ibrox,whom have been lied to so called hero's of your club.think is time you and your's start again . then maybe start talking football..ps I love my club ..geo

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Dons fan here, if that was to happen I would happily cheer the new rangers when they came out the tunnel at pittodrie when ever that might be

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For goodness sake pob, what a dreadful way to speak to a guy that is only making an honourable suggestion.

You may disagree with him, but no need to be nasty.

Mac.

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Hey pob well done to you for donating,no hard feelings ,i know your are out of your mind with worry about your club..geo

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23 Jun 2012 13:54:42
Ally the sneak McCoists latest statement trying to put pressure on the players by saying they are cheating the fans and blah blah about how they should be honest with the fans and how its still playing for the same rangers with the same fans! This man is an unbelievable hypocrite! Hes a sneaky LIAR RANGERS the same club as he puts it DOES NOT EXIST! And btw his lastest sneaky stunt last week of parking his car in front of ibrox while uncle walter tried to buy the club is just another example of the sneaks true nature!!

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Mr Lennon been very quiet lately.
How sneaky do you think you're club will be found out to be,when they vote for us to stay in SPL? How sneaky will you consider them to be when they don't invest heavily for your European campaign. Because they won't!
Notice NL still not came out and told you what AM was supposed to have said either,despite his promise.
Increased Season ticket prices, no old firm games,and no significant investment. How sneaky is that?
Och aye, Neilly boy and PL are diamond geezer's.
P.O.B.

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Er whats Ally McCoists statements and actions got to do with Neil lennon?

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Mr Lennon is being quiet out of respect for the sinking ship that is rangers. The rats are starting to scurry away as the inevitable looms. And by the way respect shown by the champions manager is more than your hate filled mob deserve or are capable of displaying.

Lenny doesn't need to say a word as every day the headlines say it for him. You are doomed, after years of cheating every other club in Scotland the devil has arrived to collect your soul.

As if you don't have enough to worry about, your obsession with Lenny is still overriding any common sense.

You are finished and all fair minded peoPle recognise that you are finally getting what you richly deserve. Deal with it!!

Jim Dhoc

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Yes, P.O.B. what has this got to do with Lennon.

Mac.

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Neil on a well deserved holiday ,and on his return will probley say things like "we the scottish champions have just signed this one and that one "

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How bizarre is that ? Neil lennon is busy doing his job. The turmoil at rangers has nothing to do with him or celtic. The upcoming vote is to decide If rangers misdemeanors warrant expulsion. Celtic will use their vote in the interests of the club and the game as a hole

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23 Jun 2012 13:01:38
Fact is this is a new Club and we
have to start all over again. yes we
have the fan base but we need to
build, and there are people trying
to make a quick buck on us already.

Fans should control the Team, not
businessmen.

I propose no Season tickets and we
all pay at gate this will keep us in
control.

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Green needs the season ticket money now so there may be nothing to pay for at the gate if no-one buys season tickets.

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23 Jun 2012 13:18:40
reality is far from debt free, we still need to negotiate a ground, training facility, not to mention a team.

Days a gone for big signings and our inability to bring quality youth through the ranks unlike every other spl club

history will always be there with old rangers however this newco at best will struggle and a real risk of back in administration within 12-18 months as any fans wont renew ...loss of European money and sponsorship.

loss of credit with banks and clubs is a killer that not to be underestimated in cashflow, without it we need the money in the bank

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23 Jun 2012 12:59:10
Oh well D3 it looks like boys, disappointed in aluko not wanting to transfer his contract, I thought he wee man was our best player 2nd half of last season. I would get him on a bigger deal with some of the high earners leaving, he was only getting about 5k per week.

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£5K per week could be the most Rangers can afford to pay for a while.

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£5k per week in division 3! Get real, £5k per month is a massive wage at this level.

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Hmmm let me see 5k for no more than 20hrs work or 2.5k for 200 hours sign me up no matter what players say most fans give there left nut to get 5k a month to play the game they love money has ruined football take badge kisser lafferty so called rangers die hard but refused to play as he was only getting wait for it 6k a week after the pay cut an hes gash like i said money has ruined the game skyblue9

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23 Jun 2012 12:49:54
Open Letter to all true Rangers Fans.
Is our team worth £3 per week the price of a pint give or take a few pence.If only 100000 donated this amount it would raise £15.6million per year.Add this to Mccolls/Walters/Parks bid of £6.5m. This would be more than enough to take control off our club.As Dave King said investment is needed now without any short term monetary gain.Any money left over start paying of creditors.Second year pay off remainder of creditors.

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It'll take much more than £15.6m a year to run a club that was losing over £1m a month.

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O/p here this money on top of all other monies ie season tickets/sponsor.More than enough to cover any shortfall.Looks like we will be downsizing anyway.

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23 Jun 2012 12:08:50
Fact: Media are churning out stories about clubs voting as they are typically just trying to create stories to sell papers.

Fact: SPL clubs are using this bandwagon to try and calm there supporters, in particular time when season tickets are due for renewal.

Fact: The vote on 4th July will be a closed door event, 12 chairmen or representatives sitting around a table. No one will know what the votes are as there will be 12 undistinguishable ballot papers put into a hat and counted. The SPL won't want to have the media effecting the outcome and the embarrassment of the last SFA panel that invoked the transfer ban on Rangers.

Fact: We will just have to wait and see. All the outside world will know is what the result is, i.e. 8-4, 7-5, 9-3 etc...

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If it is a secret ballot and Rangers are voted into the SPL, then all SPL teams' fans will be livid. All SPL teams will face a backlash from their own fans in terms of season tickets boycotts etc. I think enough clubs will vote no, regardless of press interference or anonymity.

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23 Jun 2012 12:08:03
Rangers fan all my life.... Gutted on what's happening.. More bad news about aluko.. What's it gonna be tomorrow?? Ulster bear

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Ulster bear, there is no more rangers, u were a fan till they died, time to realise u now support a new outfit.
Bhrydo bhoy

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#1
Wishful thinking my friend.
Our "Club" will never die.
The business entity that ran it may have.
The fans are the club,and we're still here.
When this fiasco finally reaches a conclusion and we still have a team to support that plays at Ibrox then that will do for me. We know who we are,what we are,and won't be going anywhere.
All that matters really.
How do you like them Oranges?
P.O.B.

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@2: and if you don't have a team to support - as could be the case - then the club will be truly dead.

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Oranges are mostly green, but start to go orange as they begin to die. They taste sweeter when their green. Well, you brought the subject up.

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Agrre #3. Your post is exactly why our fans should get behind any new owner.
Thank's for sounding the "Reveille"
P.O.B.

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@5: no worries - I think some realism is needed among the fans. Some think everything will go back to normal soon. It won't - there might not be a team on the pitch next season if there's not enough money.

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23 Jun 2012 11:05:28
I just wish that all the voting and discussions would get done so that we know where we stand and we can start planning ahead but all the waiting is killing me just want it sorted and I'm now of the view that I would love us to be kept in the spl but if I'm honest just want to have a team with a place in any league to support and it has to be the gers as you can't just casually switch your support to another club I would support the gers even if they played on a public park and regardless of what players leave as long as there are 11 people who want to pull on that blue shirt (unless green decides to change to clubs colours) there will always be a team to follow and there has to be some decent players out there looking for a club but the bottom line is that the people who were trusted to look after the club killed it and Broke the law and for this the club will be punished but I will say to the other clubs be careful as I don't for one minute think that Scottish football will die without rangers but I do believe that it will become more difficult for Celtic to prosper in years ahead as the other clubs will gang up on Celtic to change voting structures ect and there for the other clubs will become stronger and Celtic will get weaker in the sense that all the clubs will be more equally match and I also think that the likes of sky will get fed up will what Scottish football has to offer and pull the plug and we may be left with something similar to northern Ireland whereas sky show about 5 games a season from the Irish league but this is tied into their deal to show the NI national teams games and I would also say that fans have long memories and may hold a grudge against the teams currently in the spl so that if rangers ever do make it back to the spl through the leagues they may still boycott away games but I do believe that you should follow you team home and away if you can afford to do so and to the guy who says if 500000 gave £600 it would give 30 million I would be more that willing to do this but why didn't we do this get the 30 million in and use it for the cva and save the old club.

Tj 79

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Sorry mate but I couldn't read it. Can we please start putting full stops please?!

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23 Jun 2012 10:59:22
We don't do walking away hindsight is a great thing bet ally wishes he never uttered such a silly statement.i just returned from a two week holiday in the hope of this nightmare to be resolved but seems its just getting worse by each passing day .

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23 Jun 2012 11:53:44
So the controversy and debate rumbles on.
Where will be playing next season?
Who will vote for or against us on the 4th July.
Forget all the nonsense about protests and embargos against other clubs.
It now looks like we won't be in SPL anyway so these would be futile.
Surely none of us would be petulant enough to bear a grudge beyond next season.
Apparently a deal has been reached where it's Div1.
Sky deal appropriated to include payments for TRFC's Div 1 matches.
SPL to compensate other clubs for the redistribution of SKY money to Div 1.
This proposal could could kill a few birds with the one stone.
Is demotion and the redistribution of our tv money enough to appease everyone?
The recent reports of a merger between SPL/SFL won't be initiated before next season,but this plan lays the groundwork for it next year.We get knocked down a division,have to live off the back of our own generated income,i.e. fans money and sponsorship.
Not worried about anyone else to be honest,the main question being, is it good enough for C.G.?
He needs to tell us what all the implications are. I would accept being a cash cow for a season,but not beyond. I would also expect no further sanctions regarding point reductions or cup bans.
This probably won't be enough for those screaming for our total demise,but it is one possible scenario for maintaining a future for us,and the rest of Scottish football.
It should be evident by now that next weeks vote is about more than whether we stay in SPL. But that always was the case anyway.
If all of the above comes to pass. Who will back Mr Green? This needs to be made clear as soon as possible.
If not,what's the point of any of this?
P.O.B.

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23 Jun 2012 11:36:09
Guys why cant we start a new fund ourselves to donate to? We can then use what is raised to pay off the people who need it most. i.e the small creditors. We can as supporters regain some pride and maybe in the process heal a portion of the embarressment our club and the RFF have created on our behalf. The RFF are a joke. using the money to pay for pitch repairs is nothing short of a disgrace. it saddens me to the heart to be a part of this charade. its time we as fans did something to right the wrong our once great club has created.

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Good idea. Just call it the creditors fund. Use one of the online giving sites. Work out a total for the ones you are going to pay . List them with the total and stop donations when the total is met. Back to you mate. I'm a Tim so if any bodies going todo it why not you?

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23 Jun 2012 10:21:44
According to today's Daily Rubbish, Rangers look like they will be able to 'parachute' into Division 1 as part of deal being brokered by Regan. All this stuff about punishment is becoming wearisome. Rangers fans and staff didn't do anything wrong. The HMRC tax case outcome still hasn't been announced. How many times do others wish to punish Rangers? What happened is that business got into financial trouble, went into administration and now soon, liquidation. It happens. Clinton Cards has just gone through the same. Are their creditors and competitors going to punish them? If any punishment is due, don't you think it has already happened? The only thing to regret is the money owed to fellow Scottish clubs and that is a shame. Put Rangers into Division 1 by all means (putting them into Division 3 is a joke). Let them play their way back into the SPL and just leave it at that. What do the other teams want, blood? The hypocritical chairmen of other SPL clubs are pathetic. All this talk about cheating. How was that then? Did they play 12 players in matches so they could win? Did they bribe referees to let them win games? They may have tried to cheat the taxman, but they didn't cheat other teams. Grow up! I can't wait until Gers return to the SPL and stuff everybody out of sight! WATP. Nice if you could publish this Ed, as you seem to passed over my last couple of posts.

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If Rangers go into 3rd or 1st divisions, it is not a punishment. There is no demotion as the club is not in the SPL at the moment. When will fans like you understand that there has only been one punishment issued so far - the £160k fine. Everything else has been a consequence of gross financial mismanagement. Stop blaming other clubs and strat blaming those who ran your club - it's their actions that are affecting the fans now; not the actions of other clubs, their fans, the SPL/SFA etc., or even SKY. Get a grip and wisen up to what's really going on and the reasons for it instead of lazily looking to cast blame and ire at all and sundry.

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By playing players you could only afford through cheating the taxman, gave you an unfair advantage over the rest. Why can't some Rangers' fans admit this. This is the main reason fans from all over Scotland are against you entering the SPL automatically.
Liah Smit

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Sevco FC are not facing a vote to allow them to stay in the SPL. They are facing a vote to determine whether the SPL share owned by Rangers is to be transfered to Sevco FC. If this fails then Sevco FC would have to apply to the SFL, so why should they be automatically be allowed to apply for a place in the SFL at the top level. Sevco FC are a new club and have no more right to get into the top level of the SFL than any other club applying for entry.
As for cheating, I'm not even going to respond to that one. If you believe what you have written then there is nothing I can say to change your mind.
Al

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Rangers tried to avoid paying tax, not evade like every high paid earners with a good accountant does, we still haven't been found guilty yet,it's been said that we bought players that we couldn't afford, well at that time we could as the money got paid whether the correct rate of tax was deducted has still to be established, even this week it has come to light about tax avoidance in the press , but what annoys me most is the BBC most paid employees ie over 100,000 pound salary the vast majority use tax avoidence schemes and the government want them to come out and name them so the same company can make a programme about us shafting the country? I know this will come across as a bitter rant from a blue nose and you will be correct

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23 Jun 2012 10:06:34
Looks like Mr Green is starting to panic now his great plan is starting to be shown as a con. He's now desperate to get his hands on our season ticket money. Saying he,LL lower the prices when we get put into the SFL. He still has not told us fans what he has backer wise when he came at first he claimed 20 + wanting to invest then it was 6 now how many?
We are still being battered by nearly all the SPL fans but when we rise back again we need to remember who went against us and repay them by not giving them gate money BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED US)

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23 Jun 2012 10:03:33
bears , this vote has nothing to do with sporting integrity, newco have no case to answer to. why cant you understand , you would be starting as newco , debt free , gving you an unfair advantae. all new clubs joining sfl start in the 3rd , as the falkirk chairman says , the rangers joining the first would probably keep his team out of the spl for an extra year.and i'm sure you will find chairmen in the 2nd saying the same. bb

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23 Jun 2012 09:57:45
This guy McKenna has a brother Kevin McKenna who I know
And they are Celitic fans and reasonable guys but I can't see
Why the want to buy rangers
Kevin Mcenna has run a few businesses ,Strathclyde Fans
and a company called Keats they have all gone bust.
I don't think Rangers need any more unstable business men
Trying to make a fast buck

Very sad days for the Gers

BB

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They've already stated they're no longer bidding as they didn't realise just how much money was needed - at least three times the 11m they had bid. Keep up.

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They've backed out anyway.When it comes to making(or trying to)make money,football allegiance goes out the window.Rangers are a 'product' to the business men.It's not a business to fans.It's their life.

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To be honest supporting a football team shouldnt be your life. Its not healthy.Take a step back and see it for what it is.

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23 Jun 2012 09:57:10
Tough times ahead when not even our young players want to go to newco plus Sone Aluko rejected aswell.... Who else will be next? You see its maybe better off starting in Div 3 by the looks of things.

Rory

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If the SFA and SFL 'fudge' the regulations to allow Rangers into sfl1 in return for money for sfl1 teams, anyone can take it to court of session for SFL regulations breaking. It's quite simply illegal.
Any div2 or div3 team should complain.

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23 Jun 2012 09:31:47
I never thought I would agree with Mr Romanov - but something he said in his recent statement did make sense! 32% 0f sky subscriptions in the UK come from Scotland and yet in comparison to the EPL we get a pitiful amount back from sky. This lack of funding we receive lies at the root of a lot of the problems in Scottish football including the problems we have at Rangers. We have been trying to compete in an arena that has been totally distorted as a result of sky's involvement. I have heard that there is a petition threatening that Scottish fans will cancel their subscriptions to sky unless we get a better deal from them. Is this true and if so fans need to get on board with this. We need to stop fighting with one another about who gets what from the current pitiful deal and instead get together to ensure that we all get a fair deal in the future

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SKY have all the aces mate.
This has been tried before and failed. It would take massive investment in laying the groundwork to be totally independent from SKY.
Remember Setanta?
P.O.B.

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Look at the numbers and the amount of money brought in. Sky will put their backing into a quality product which arguably the EPL is. The people who have Sky in Scotland will probably watch more of the EPL and champs league action than any Scottish games shown. The scottish sky customers don't just watch scottish football.
Be interesting to see the figures for people in England watching the Scottish games.

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Was it not mr Romanov and others who said no to sky's £120 million a few years back to go with the setanta deal even thought it was well rumoured that they were in trouble? And because of that deal it ended up costing Scottish football £65 million in the end. No offence but I'll take my business advice from someone else.

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@2. I'm sure that if Scottish football was funded to the same extent as the English game (on a per capita level) Scottish football would be of a much better quality. Let's be honest. English football is being heavily subsidised by British Sky Broadcasting

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My mouse finger slipped before I'd finished, so as I was saying...
English football is heavily subsidised by British Sky Broadcasting and the product would be much different without that investment and it really annoys me that a British company subsidises one country's leagues so many more levels of magnitudes more than it does the others.
I also live in England and there are possibly more Scottish football fans down here than you would imagine.
Al

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23 Jun 2012 08:52:34
If rangers do drop too the 3rd division lets be honest it's looking like it, how much does a season ticket cost??

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Who cares! 30,000 empty seats on a good day.

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If Green gets his way, as much as one for the SPL would cost.

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23 Jun 2012 08:41:30
it is now more than a certainty that rangers will be playing in division one next year (just look at the bookies odds), does anyone agree with me that this can only be achievable if we are being run by honest stand up rangers men who can be trusted to put every penny of the supporters money back into the club so that we can start to build for the future, by that i mean five years from now, i dont trust or want to be any part of greens set up where he plans to make a profit every year when we are loosing a million a month as we stand, i am sure many fellow bears are holding out for walter smith or jim mccall or whoever it may be to make another, but this time decisive move, i for one will hand over my money as soon as this happens....and it must!!!!!

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Why division 1? Are you all of a sudden happy for the rules to made up as they go along to benefit your club?

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Rangers should never be allowed into Div 1. As a Morton fan I am outraged.

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I think the OP got a little lost towards the end.
There is no way anyone can put forward a business plan which shows no profit. This new company needs a banking facility and the bank will want to see some means to get any debt serviced.
The Rangers cannot go forward loosing £1million a month, so cuts will have to be made to at least break even. The only other option is a wealthy benefactor who is quite happy to throw money down a bottomless pit.
Al

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EHHM...(Not so) Breaking news alert for O.P.
The rules ARE being made up as they go along mate!
This has never happened before,there was no provision for this in the SPL articles of Asscociation,outwith the fines,and points deduction.
P.O.B.

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Another outraged morton fan here. Rangers should have points deduction in div 1. or better still buy st. Mirren and close them down.

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23 Jun 2012 08:39:29
There is more chance of the newco entering the English leagues than any part of Ibrox being turned into a supermarket, timmy. Because when asda, tesco or morrison's build a store then they always agree with local planning that no other store will be built within a 5 mile radius. For you guys that have never been to Ibrox, then just to let you know, that there already is an asda round the corner. {Ed001's Note - that's funny, because in my town there are currently 2 new supermarkets being built, within 2 miles of each other, if that. There is already a Morrisons just another mile down the road as well.}

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Total rubbish. plenty supermarkets all over scotland are within a mile of each other.

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I live in Hamilton, there is a Morrisons,Sainsburys and ASDA all within 5 miles of each other and they are building a Tesco as well

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@3: in Cumbernauld there's a Tesco that when it was built was the biggest in Scotland. What's 5 minutes walk away? A massive ASDA.

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Nonesense! Inverness has ALL it's supermarkets within 5 miles of each other!

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Turn ibrox into museum.

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Ed - what's up? posted earlier stating each Unitary authority area has differing Planning Regulations because of a number of factors affecting each area.
Inverness, Hamilton and Cumbernauld are all smaller than Glasgow and there are 32 Unitary Authorities in Scotland and only 1 has Ibrox situated in it.
As for @1 has he been there cos where I live in Glasgow there are no supermarkets next to each other, there maybe the smaller versions at garages and the like.

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@6: big new Tesco in Maryhill and an ASDA just down the road in Summerston, Waitrose on Byres Road and a massive Morrisons at Anniesland Cross. All fewer than 5 miles apart.

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23 Jun 2012 08:33:15
Ave been think about this money I gave RFFF. Personally I think I was conned. I did not realise that my money was going to pay for things like new turf. I donated money to it in the thought that it would go to joe bloggs to help with debt they were due. If things like new pitches is what my money is going to be used for then I wish it back, as on the rumours page there was a post was about a little girl called Olivia who's family needed money to fly her home. Thats the type of thing I am willing to put money into, not for a team to buy a bloody new pitch.
Don

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Don,the money was to be used as the fund managers saw fit,to tide the club over. New grass and paying the groundsmen to keep pitch in good condition surely qualifies?
Small businesses were included in cva pot which was rejected.
Other fans at smaller clubs help out by clearing the snow off their pitches,why shouldn't our money be used to ensure pitch is ready and playable?
P.O.B.

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23 Jun 2012 08:10:05
Guys vote with a biased opinion you are all missing the point other clubs are asking there fans where we should be put thus passing the responsability on to them,they will vote with a biased opinion not for the good of the future game .
lets ballot alll rangers season ticket holders and where they think we should go .
my vote would be division 3 and our destiny is in our own hands to put our house in order and ensure this never happens again

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23 Jun 2012 07:13:56
See all these allegations of "financial doping". Does anyone not realise that we were advised this was legal and we used a loophole. If we didn't use that we would have paid the same wages anyway. Murray just used it to avoid tax. We still had to put a team on the pitch to play gamnes. Anyone that thinks its as bad as match fixing is dellusional. I know we lived outwith our means but is that not what most clubs do ?

Still the most successful club side in the world !

Logie Bear

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Logie bear well said, nothing more than most corporate companies are still doing, yes we did live outwith our means which has cost us dearly and allowed the Rangers hating clubs and supporters in Scotland to shout "sporting integrity", the majority of whom post on here claiming to be liberal Celtic Supporters yet look on there site and you see exactly what the same posters think.
I await the outcry "you didn't pay your billls". Craig Whyte didn't pay the bills as the custodian of the club and along with David Murray is nothing more than a crook
and the pair should be punished accordingly, not me the fan who has parted with my hard earned cash to support the team I have for forty plus years.

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Okay, let's assume that they would still have been paying the same wages, that would have left an even bigger hole in the funding of the club which would have to have been filled by another increase in the debt to the bank or Murray would have had to dip into his own personal wealth. I think it is unlikely that Murray would have used his own money as it appears he used very little of it in the first place.
Al

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What do you think the additional tax on Ferguson's £5m would be given his basic or Klos? Answer, enough to buy a third player, a Nerlinger, an Arteta, etc. I know you don't have many pennies as a club but is there ever going to be the prospect of one of them clunking into your deluded, denying heads whereby the ramifications of EBT's and two contracts are finally understood?
Gaz

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Eh, no - if the club hadn't used EBT's they wouldn't have been able to pay the wages they did. why do you think the club was in so much debt once the EBTs stopped? One reason was that it had to live way beyond its means to keep up with the type of wages it had been paying during the EBT time.

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Rangers were advised on a tax strategy by Paul Baxendale Walker. The trouble is Rangers failed to follow this advice and operated the EBT scheme in a different way.

Paul Baxendale Walker has confirmed this.

This is why Rangers will lose the FTT.

Rangers may have paid the same wages as you say, but Rangers would not have attracted the same players as the players would not have received as much in their hand, as they did by avoiding tax through the EBTs.

If Rangers wanted the same palyers, and had to pay them through payroll, Rangers would have had to pay out milions more in salaries.

Murray didn't use it to avoid Rangers paying tax, Murray used it for the players (and some non playing staff including Murray himself) to avoid tax.

The only tax Rangers could have avoided would be coropration tax, but Rangers traded at a loss each year, so there were no corporate tax savings to be made.

As bad as match fixing, well not as bad as directly fixing a match, but pretty close.

This scheme was used for Rangers to field players that otherwise could not be afforded. If Rangers never fielded these players then Rangers wouldn't have won as many trophies.

Also, with not winning as many trophies, prize money would be less. European runs may have been shorter, so again less income. So Rangers benefited financially.

This is serious, serious stuff.

If Rangers had paid higher salaries, so as the players still received the same amount in their hand, the reality is that Rangers would have went into administration years ago.

Mac.

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No ur totally wrong mate! Murray used the ebt's in unlawful manner! He couldn't afford to pay the players taxes in this country so that's why he abused them! Why do u think Celtic looked at them and stayed well clear? Apart from once which they payed the tax on when they realised they were unlawful! What about the duel contracts? Keeping information from the authorities! Rangers stitched up Scottish football for years! who do u think advised Murray on ebt's? Possibly his dodgy accountants? Ur ignorance is music to our ears! Wake up and smell the coffee! Surely ur not that stupid! Why do u think everyone wants u's in the 3rd division?

Byars

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The problem was one of illegallity.Not paying taxes etc.etc.If we hadn't upset the taxman,it wouldn't be like this.We'd have gotten a CVA ---not liquidation.Now we'll have no players either.

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Here guys it was all a big mistake it was a typo they just forgot to put the D in front of the ebt ,... booom booom ...geo

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If someone told you you could sign on and work at the same time, would it be their fault you were daft enough to believe it and get caught?

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23 Jun 2012 02:28:59
Now that the 'old' Rangers has died at 140 years of age, does it's "Aye Ready" motto get buried alongside it? Surely if a 'new' Rangers is to prosper it must also be provided with a motto that firstly, grasps the brutal reality of our plight, and secondly, steels us with hope as we face our many adversaries in the years to come? Here's a suggestion only, taken from a work by English poet Henry Vaughan (1621-1695) "moriendo revixi" meaning "by dying, I gain new life".

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My God! Why not get all the players to wear false vampires teeth while we are at it.

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The motto was changed some time ago to 'Ready' - if you're a Rangers man you should know this!

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What about "Aye, Right".
Al

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The badge and motto must change may I suggest 'humility'?

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23 Jun 2012 00:47:00
Rangers newco vote implications to be discussed by SPL clubs
22 June 12 16:29

Scottish Premier League clubs will meet at Hampden on Thursday to discuss the implications of their Rangers 'newco' vote on 4 July.
All clubs, except Rangers, are expected to gather for a pre-vote debate.
Dundee United and Hearts have already publicly stated they will vote against allowing a new Rangers into the SPL.
BBC Scotland has learned that Aberdeen will also say no to Charles Green's application for his relaunched Rangers to replace the old club.
And the Dons' third largest shareholder Jim Cummings says he will call for an extraordinary general meeting of shareholders if the club vote in favour of the Rangers newco application, with Aberdeen chairman Stewart Milne indicating a final decision has not yet been reached.
Hibernian chairman Rod Petrie previously made it clear that commercial concerns were of secondary importance in relation to the integrity of the league.
Kilmarnock are the latest club to say they will canvas supporter opinion following similar moves by Inverness, Motherwell and St Mirren.
It is understood the SPL board will make recommendations on various outcomes and scenarios at Thursday's meeting.

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Are u having a laugh motherwell are voting NO i know alot of mwell supporters an trust me when i say its a NO

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22 Jun 2012 22:53:37
just a thought but cant we start to make a move on getting a fans buy out under way.If we where to agree to a £600 per person buy out for 50 000 supporters then it gives us £30m to buy the club from green and have working capital.like the vultures planned to do we stabalise the club then seek more investment in 3 years when hopefully we can float the club on the stock exchange. by which time people may want to invest more in the club.Unlike the fighting fund this would be an investment opportunity which each person would recieve shares in the club they love, so at least something to show for their money and we can have a say in how the club is run and not rely on other people.lets stand up people,its not too late to save our club.we have changed name ,so what.this is the club i want to take my son to .lets save our club and take control of its destiny.We all have our memories ,lets give our kids the same chance to feel proud of our great club.£600 each is all it takes to save it.

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Seems a great idea to me but if we're being sensible...the individual investment may be a bridge too far for many of our loyal support. This brings me to Green not having the season ticket money anywhere close to ring fenced. Why buy a season ticket when realistically, season ticket money could be invested by supporters to float the club ? Why pay Green or anyone for that matter ?

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I can't believe that with 50000 'loyal' fans and millions more elsewhere that CG and his 'loan' is the best you can do. Especially after you went NewCo. I am a Celtic fan, but have many Rangers fan mates who I am sick off ripping the piss out of. Stop blaming, stop naming, stop the threats .... get your act together and take this NewCo and make it Rangers Phoenix. Where are the REAL Gers fans? Come on .... Shug

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Or why dont we raise money pay the debt of the old club save it from liq and buy the assets back of green then try and get walter mccoll and douglas park back
trueblue

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Not having a go or trying to put your idea down , because i know nothing about what you're proposing . but i think the bill for processing 50,000 investment accounnts , transfering fund etc would run into millions alone. also i don't think £30m less purchase price from mr. greene would keep your team going for 3 years , does it not run at £1m a month down as it stands. the spl next year looks doomed , your big stars can walk for free. you have fans bosses telling the punters not to buy season tickets . ibrox needs serious improvements to gain a safety certificate , i've heard £15m. honestly , your loyalty and endeavour to save what you have is admirable , just not fesible.. bb

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We would also require significant investment from the likes of Dave King,Douglas Park and J.McColl to sustain us through a 2-3 year period,just to get us on an even keel.
Remember no Europe,reduced tv money, and if Rhys Mcabe rumours are true,no players.
We've already been running at a £10million loss without European money.
Ibrox also needs refurbishment.
Only problem being,it looks like these investors are not interested in working with C.G.
Will Charlie stay or go?
The irony being that the potential saviour of the club,could also be the "Gorilla in the room".
P.O.B.

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23 Jun 2012 00:51:11
I see timothy are ten to one on to win the league next year. Rangers are fifteen to two, jambos next best at twenties. I must confess, it's quite amusing to still be second favorite in a league we won't even be in next year! Somewhat speaks volumes about our game does it no!

I must say, it promises to be a really exciting season next year! :-P

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14/1 u can get rangers wont matter coz we wont be in the league cfc shd 1/10000000

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No, it speaks volumes about the bookies.

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It will be for those going for 13 in a row.

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23 Jun 2012 00:28:37
SPL chairmen clearly conflicted by the Rangers into SPL vote. It is simply a crime and punishment issue. When u become dependent or influenced by Rangers money you are conflicted.
Five SPL chairmen will give it as a vote to fans.

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