Rangers Banter Archive March 23 2012

23 Mar 2012 22:51:27
Here's how I see it. David Murray knows club is right in the proverbial. He wants to get off the ship before it sinks. He calls on captain whyte to come on board and clear all the decks of any valuables before jumping ship himself. ( something he has good history of). As the panic on board carries on with everyone trying to get back their rightful possessions. Mr whyte and Murray are busy getting ready to launch another ship, identical to the last one but with
No debt as they are well aware HMS Rangers cannot stay afloat as they have made sure of this! Newco Rangers will be formed and assets stripped before administration will be pumped back into New Rangers........watch this space!

Dont think that will fly pal....scottish people dont forget .....personally i wouldny go near a newco.....what and help make these f******* crooks even more dough....deecee

I highly doubt David Murray has anything to do with Rangers going into admin. You are basically pointing the finger of blame solely on Murray.....I doubt he told Craig Whyte to run up £9m woth of tax and vat debt and put the club into admin.

Until a verdict is made on the EBT case then the only thing that Murray has done wrong is sell the club to Craig Whyte.

Do you Murray has a hand in the "missing milliones"?

TTG

23 Mar 2012 20:43:29
To all the bears and our Celtic pals that join us on here,

Be safe after the game, don't do anything silly, its a stronger and better person that walks away from trouble.

And we'll all meet up on here Monday for the friendly slacking off.

Das Shadow

PS no taking it out on the wife after game depending on the result.

Das, why should you take anything out on your wife? It's only a game of football FFS.
Catch a grip for goodness sake. How low some people will stoop to get a dig at people. Very poor post das.
Chaz

As a celtic fan i agree just keep in mind although we love the game it is not life and death. to all you rangers fans think of all your family at home watching tv while you at at the game.and celtic fans have your banter but let it stop when you hear the final whistle. the eyes of the world are on the fans more that the players. so dont give the press a headline and good luck b

Well said Das Shadow and b the aftermath of this great game is often the horrible talking point. Regardless of the result walk away and never resort to abuse in the home thats the work of cowards all decent old firm fans would agree .

Highland Bear

I took it to mean take it our on the wife sexually, dear bears am I a deviant?
Nevis

Chaz, Domestic abuse doubles after a old firm game,142 cases was reported after the 4,2 game at ibrox, i know its only a game of football,

Das Shadow

@1. Das was merely having a bit of dark banter mate, you catch a grip sorry das mate their is always somebody wanting to ruin it lol, steeeve, ps 1-0to the bears really really hard fought game, edu with a last minute goal....... again lol, ko bears and tic fans anything could happen :-P

Thank you highland bear, hope its a good game and the players do there bit to stop the press getting at the old firm. all the best ....b

Is this some kind of alternative universe I have stumbled into?
This is Glasgow we're talking about. And a game of sport played in a cauldron of hatred. Don't cancel the St. John's ambulances just yet!

@8 you are right mate but there are thousands of fans that say the st johns ambulance should be for emergency treatment to players or someone in the crowed who need assistance. Not for the actions of old firm fans fighting. Yes its glasgow but we are human and that f**kes a lot of people looking in waiting for something happen hope you have no luck sunday and the fans show the world the english,spanish italian. french,thats why you want scottish old firm game.....b

Thank u b, regardless of how good a game it will be, and the conduct of the players and fans, the press will always find and magnify a negative . Hope the emergency services have a quiet day.

Highland Bear

I just hope the players and fans let the 10 spl clubs know why a game of football is a game of football and not money in the bank........b

23 Mar 2012 19:50:56
This aint a rumour or anything like that just a Rangers fan who is really worried, I hope we can get through this, I aint a season ticket holder never have bn but I buy the gear every season and maybe make 2/3 games a season I wish I was a season ticket holder but like a lot of footy fans £ and food on the table come first...Thing is what happens now anyone gonna help us now and ED can you help me decipher this outcome of the court case? Do you think we will be liquidated, your opinion here please....

Tam-Sir 1873 Wont be there on sunday as I gotta watch the kiddies.... {Ed001's Note - in my opinion it has done little more than clarify things and makes little difference to the club's future. I still expect a takeover to happen, Ibrox and Murray Park are only worth having if there is a team to use them.}

Cheers ED...

23 Mar 2012 18:56:22
"rite lads, ticketus, ticketus if ye huvnae goat ah ticketus yur gettin aff it the next stoap!
haud tite boays,hee haw
aye the blue nites ur fair drawin in eh?

I really struggled to understand that. Ed can you translate it? {Ed001's Note - god no, I get a headache just seeing his posts!}

Wit yi sain? ...jsm

23 Mar 2012 18:53:06
It seems some people on this site are misunderstanding what has happened with the Ticketus court case. The judge couldn't make up his mind. so Ticketus are unsecured creditors just like the others. Sure, the Blue Knights deal may now be in jeopardy but it doesn't make things any worse or better. Craig Whyte has much to answer for and I hope he does. If Ticketus are part of the CVA along with whoever else, then any would-be buyers will feel better with that rather than having to pay Ticket us a contractual, asset-backed payment every year - they will take what is on offer. WATP.

23 Mar 2012 17:17:27
lol me again, sorry ed , for yourself again, I actualy think the scouse boy might of got beat an didn't make it through, it was the Geordie lad that that won out of the British guys there, could be wrong, it's on tonight so I'll find out, ( your prob not interested anyway, lol, sorry for annoying you if that's the case)
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - I would watch it but isn't it on Sky?}

23 Mar 2012 16:38:44
Did not Mr Whyte say that he had pesonally underwritten the ticketus deal? if my memory is correct he evn used the sum involved £27Million to underline he was the main "investor"! in Rfc, how can a judge say he can't give a verdict on what seemed to be an open and shut case I mean the DEAL was done one month before he bought? the club; ed do you have the dates {Ed001's Note - it depends on what the deal was.}

Aye he did say that mate be he also said that he NEVER used the ticketus money to pay the bank hmmmmmmmmmmmm

23 Mar 2012 17:56:39
Its good to see that Mark Daly of the BBC Scotland is really on the case and top reporter, asking on live radio Gordon Smith if he knew anything about Craig Whyte not paying PAYE and VAT.
Every man and his dog knew Gordon Smith done nothing during his time at Ibrox.

Das Shadow

Why would Gorden Smith know that was director of Football (allegedly) not Accounts DOH

Thanks fur that gordy!

Exactly, just showed himself up.

Das Shadow

23 Mar 2012 17:47:41
just read this from the admin statement on the official website.

"Lord Hodge has made it clear that the Ticketus arrangements do not mean Ticketus has property or real rights over seats at the stadium or, indeed, the proceeds from the sale of future season tickets.

Lord Hodge has stated Ticketus has what are known as contractual rights, essentially a contract between the Club and themselves. It is clear from the judgement that, as administrators, we have the statutory right and powers to have the company (the Club) refuse to honour the Ticketus arrangements if such a decision would be in the interests of creditors generally.

So what does that mean, does that mean that the admin guys can just say that rangers wont be honoring their side of the contract... what then happen to ticketus and their money??

I hope ticketus do p!55 off and we don't have to honor it and I suppose that would put an end to there part in the paul murray and the blue knights deal as ticketus were only getting involved so they could try and cling on to there season ticket deal! Brain Kennedy for me good honest business man will run things within our means and get souness back involved!ps paul murray was part of the board that watched rangers plummet into financial meltdown don't want him back he's got poor assets! *ksd*

Despite all that has happened you still want to take from other people. ticketus
are owed the money and if you have any
dignity you would want them to be paid.

It's true Ticketus are owed the money, but the question is from whom? personally hope the wee sh7te has to pay it back, get it up him! Okay this would mean RFC(minus Whyte) would still owe Lloyds £18 million, but i'd rather have that and pay it back, as lose ticket sales for next few years. Stevie-A-Bear

23 Mar 2012 17:41:25
Look either way we would have to pay ticketus or loyds bank it's still going to be millions thanks to murry for the bank and thanks to Whyte if the judge favoured rangers then the bank would be back on our case only people to favour out of this is the bluenights it will prob be the blue knights that get control only if Whyte moves aside don't think he will unless he gets few million f..k he can't even pay for his kids what chance have rangers got

23 Mar 2012 17:32:59
I hope the team for Sunday is McGregor Whitaker Boca Goian Papac Aluko Edu Davis Wallace Lafferty Mculloch cant see Mcoist putting this team out but heres hoping

Obviosly It can't be lafferty and whittaker have not kicked a ball in months, they will be nowhere near match fit and they are simply put not ready to play this match! they would be more of a burden than a help, honestly do you know anything about football!!...

Anyone but Andy little, let's get away from 4-5-1 and have a bash, mcculloch and lafferty upfront, come ally grow a pair.

Mcshagger

Broadfoot, Perry, Boca, papac
Aluko, Davis, edu, Wallace
Lafferty, mcculloch.

23 Mar 2012 17:04:51
time to step forward mr Whyte

what is your plans YOUR club
do you want the money...well hurry up come an get yir filthy lucre
its time sir ,step forward and show your cards,hats off to you your some poker player
do what needs done only thing i ask is make it quick FFS

have we been a funny wee distraction to you down in London mr Whyte
mr Murray would everthing go away if you stayed out the country and did,nt read the papers

never till i,m cold in the ground will i forgive or forget
anyone involved in this debacle....les

Still a big question unanswered Mr Whyte, ok £18 million wiped the date, used from the £24 million, where is the £6 million according to the administrators it did not enter the rangers accounts. Where is it because todays the ruling made that money the clubs.

Good point, is there a case to only repay £18m to Ticketus as this is all that went through Ranger's accounts?

Still think there is more to come on this one as Mr Whyte has not explained where the other £6m went.

The Pilot!

23 Mar 2012 16:32:12
Who really cares about Sunday now? I couldn't care less anymore after today, its a joke following rangers now, we are a total laughing stock.

Do you just want to follow rangers when where winning? says a lot about yourself. deejay

To be brutally honest i doubt with that attitude you will be missed.Shedding the fairweather fans like yourself is probably the only good thing to come from the whole debacle.Shaun H

Listen pal I followed rangers everywhere when Martin o'neill was pumping us for 3 years, I want to follow a team that has OUR season ticket money, the club I love is a complete shambles

You Strike me as a quitter and if that's your attitude then we don't need your support

You strike me as a guy that got took in by Craig whyte, could just see you in may 20 million this 20 million that, people like you is who the club don't need.

Number 3 - saint martin's team did'nt pump us for 3 years if you ckeck back on your history. first 2 years yes, but we pumped them 5-1 in his first season, and then in his second we beat them again to win the cup double then we won a glorious treble the next season before he won a double then the next was helicopter sunday and do you remember remember the double in november ! happy times my friend.

james rfc 1980

Agreed fellow Bears, until recently hurt was when Celtic beat us . Any other team beating us was a minor pain, you got up looked the world in the eye and remembered you were a Ranger life could not be any better. I feel for the poster when he says the shambles we have become on a daily basis, older Bears know what it takes to get through when other teams are better than us . But what we have had to endure since Whyte has taken over is disgraceful, after murrays lies and cheating the debt was brought down to £ 18 million then lloyds with murrays help set us up with Whyte the rest is sadly where we are today . I used to think laws were in place to stop crooks at all levels but sadly i was wrong. Due diligence took months , murray Whyte and lloyds all took part and shook hands how were the Rangers support to know the s**t that was about to erupt. I dont attempt to understand all the legal stuff because thats why were in this s**t. Lawyers were involved is nobody answerable to the law anymore . To the Rangers family i say this apart from my own family Rangers are my life they probably consume time and money i do not have but i started as a supporter now a follower for 40 years . I pray to God our club will find a way to survive and prosper. I have the utmost respect for the players for the financial sacrifice they have made, and i wish them divine intervention for Sunday . Give the ginger gremlin somebody else to blame. GOD knows he's blamed everybody else .

Highland Bear

23 Mar 2012 16:15:12
Who in there right mind would buy rangers? No serious income for 3 years, no European football for 3 years, I would now rather start again in 3rd division, only reason Celtic want us in league is to keep sky deal, screw that, let's build from the start.

The s*y deal gives Celtic about 3% of its income so I don't think they would be to bothered if it wasn't there. I reckon celtic will go down the road of streaming matches online which would generate a lot more income.

23 Mar 2012 16:12:21
this is now the beginning of the end of sdm as we know him....his grand scheme of things is working like a charm as it always would.....whyte was given the heads up from sdm on how to go about this from day , or should i say pound one....the upside for me is they are not a preferred status , so it now looks like s*** or get off the pot money men....huge clubs like the gers dont come withoot a price.....if they all s*** themselves like kennedy has then they wurny meant to be........whats the old sayin again....IF YI CANNY AFFORD IT THEN DONT EVEN LOOK AT IT........seems to fit this scenario........
but hey , great exposure eh sale shark....ham shanker ...deecee

23 Mar 2012 15:53:59
Well hate to say it but I think we are Fu*ked

Put Dodo FC in a blender .
Pause for laughter and iced dairy product and gelatine based dessert
Press red button

Liqudate

roon yeez

23 Mar 2012 15:47:51
It amazes me that everone is going on about EBT’s CVA’s. What Murray did, if proven was wrong, however I look around me (i’m PAYE), and see everyone who is self employed, probably even journalists doing everything they can to avoid TAX. The people who are getting of light in all of this is Lloyds TSB & Mr Muir who contrived the whole Whyte scheme to get their money, which has led to the downfall of the club. The police should be investigating how Mr Whyte can obtain monies from Ticketus to purchase Rangers ? Did Mr Muir authorise this, if so, Mr Muir, Mr Whyte & Lloyds TSB, should be prosecuted for fraud.

23 Mar 2012 15:45:03
Th court ruling today means there can be only 1 outcome to the takeover saga!

As the largest creditor Ticketus will block any CVA leaving the only bid on the table the Blue Knights/Ticketus bid.

I effect Ticketus will own Rangers, remember this is a profit making organisation and will not be pouring millions into the day to day running of the club,or for transfers, they are only interested in getting their money back!

Years of misery ahead!

Could look at it another way though

The only way to get their money back is to make a profit

The only way to make a profit is to be successful

The only way to be successful is to invest in the team

Just an alternative view

JG

23 Mar 2012 15:37:48
San Kennedy's bid on hold,looks like the rest of the bids will follow suit,Blue knights on their own, if this proves correct we have no choice other than get behind it and get our club back up and running, it might not be what we all want but we all have to sing from the same song sheet.Follow Follow BLUNTRU72

Nice 2 see court rule in favour of ticketus fed with rankers taking money and trying 2 get away with not paying it back and as for murray he needs another 5mill of ticketus 2 put his offer in more debt do u not learn but if u get hit with the big tax case he is 2 walk away.and 2 make things worse u have 2 pay court costs for ticketus case u just lost is it not sinking in yet bye bye

23 Mar 2012 15:29:24
ok so with the ticketus deal now being decided to be binding. i have a few questions.

1) if the ticketus deal is with rangers and not craig whyte, then craig whyte could only have paid a £1 into rangers, so does that mean he now doesnt have a floating charge/secured creditor status over rangers assets to the value of £18 million, as how can he have that amount of a charge/secure credit against something he only paid £1 for?

2) what happens to the rest of the ticketus money that didnt go to rangers accounts i.e the £3.6 million that is frozen in the solicitors account, will this go to rangers straight away now, as surely ticketus cant claim this money back and still keep there claim on the season tickets??

3) with ticketus backing the blue knights and the other 2 offers going to be withdrawn now according to the press, that means that its a 2 way fight between the blue knights and chicago 9. how quickly will ones of these be able to take control, and how much will they have to pay craig whyte for the shares he only paid £1 for??

Get ready for us to win nothing for years to come, Paul Murray not the man to take is forward, I would rather start again now.

Dont think the court ruled that the deal was binding the ruling was; there was no ruling

A judge has declined to give Rangers' administrators legal guidance on their bid to breach a £24.4 million season-ticket deal.


Lord Hodge said he had not been given sufficient legal information to allow him to make a ruling on the club's contract with investment firm Ticketus. The judge also declined to give Ticketus preferential treatment as creditors.

JG

23 Mar 2012 14:25:33
Ally will go with this on Sunday ..

-----------McGregor-------------
-Whittaker--Goian--Bocanegra--Papac
-----------McCulloch-------------
----Davis--- -Edu-----Wallace----
--------Aluko---------------------
--------------Lafferty-------------

If Whittaker is out Perry in
If Lafferty is out Little in ...

Agreed

james rfc 1980

23 Mar 2012 13:55:53
Ed i am posting this from my work internet connectiion as for some reason my home internet (Angolan IP address) has been blocked. I cant think of any unresonable or unsuitable posting lately

Another thing, why is the text box too small when you write a post you cannot see all the text or check for mistakes
JG {Ed001's Note - I have no idea if you are blocked or not. As for the text box, you can scroll back and check for mistakes.}

Anyone have a idea how to scroll back/up using an iphone? Agree text box is too small. Love the site though! GTM

How do you block people ed ? Could you block my girls iPod if I was posting sh!t? If you could then could I not just use my stepsons iPhone , or because it's sent from the same house would you still be able to know it's me
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - I would just block the IP, so yes you could use something else, but if you were then not posting rubbish would it matter? Because that is the only reason we block people, not because we want to stop them being able to post, if you get what I mean.}

23 Mar 2012 10:43:15
THE Scottish Premier League has been urged to suspend its investigation into Rangers until the club has emerged from administration.


Fans group The Rangers Supporters Trust has written to the SPL and requested a meeting with the chief executive, Neil Doncaster, over the investigation into allegations that players received payments which were not disclosed to the governing body.



The Trust has also alleged a potential conflict of interest in the use of Harper Macleod given that the firm also represents other SPL clubs. Harper Macleod are Celtic's solicitors and acted for Dundee United against a Rangers supporters' club in a recent dispute over tickets for a rearranged fixture at Tannadice but the firm have also been the SPL's solicitors for several years.

"Proceeding with this investigation while the club is not adequately equipped to defend itself will turn this whole process into a 'kangaroo court'," said Trust chairman Gordon Dinnie in a a statement last night.

"Duff & Phelps' main role is to ensure the club is managed through administration and comes out the other end a viable trading business, not contesting cases with the SPL."

Thats a joke...and what about former rankers emploee now at top job for the sfa president? i guess you would say thats fine eh, since yous have got away with everything over the years( like doufe and the other guy holding the ref and man handeling him, and they get off scot free) funny how you want fair treatment (well special treatment cause there is a celtic person involved in the case) when yous havnt been playing fair for many years! just except your punishment and instead of dodging around go after your privious owners ie murry for send your club into liq and tainting its whole history, for yous will be remebered as a joke club the way you were run also how much of cheats your club has been and how currupt you club made its wat into higher up jobs in sfa to help you even more.

23 Mar 2012 09:47:18
Rusty the fat ginger Neil Lennon lookalike tim here!!I'm fat I'm round I'm bouncing off the ground,rusty rusty, I'm fat I'm round I'm worth more than a fxxking £1,rusty rusty, I'm fat I'm round I always buy a round,rusty rusty, I'm fat I'm round mr Desmond would be proud,rusty rusty, I'm fat I'm round and rangers will go down,rusty rusty, o the rangers are sh*te,o the rangers are sh*te,o the rangers are sh*te!!all you rangers fans should lock yourselfs in your room this wkend for Glasgow will be covered in green and White.all you 30 to 40 year old men better ask mummy if she can leave you's alone and not to come in and clean your room for you's want to be left alone with your broxi the bear teddy!! hail hail rusty the ginger tim

Rusty, I have to admire your spirit or whatever you are taking. No matter how bad things are you always make me laugh but don't be too upset when we are saved by the "establishment" in a Masonic conspiracy an come back so much stronger.

F*** knows how that even got put on this page!! because your patters pish, and there is no point to this post in the slightest!! away and get yourself a grip hen !
deejay

What are you on rusty, garlar07

Rusty the ginger Neil Lennon here!deejay what's wrong?your mrs tell you she had a sore head last night??lol was it your giro never got posted and you needed it for your flag this weekend?in the words of frankie goes to Hollywood (relax) join in on the celebrations at the weekend il buy you a pint!!!hail hail

Celebrations eh ? like last week then i suppose... surprised your lot will be able to remember how to celebrate its been that long

james rfc 1980

23 Mar 2012 09:28:55
Ed, if the court case goes in favour of the club and Ticketus are then left to chase CW for the £24m would this not mean that CW could just demand £24m for his shares so that he is not left out of pocket?

I cannot see anyway in which the club will profit from this, I only see more money being spent on court fees etc.

The Pilot! {Ed001's Note - if the court case were to go in his favour, the club would owe Whyte or Ticketus the money, that much will be unchanged. The difference is that Whyte would no longer be the legal owner, as he would have been proven to have broken the law buying the club. That would make a huge difference, most of the buyers don't want to deal with Whyte, they want him out of the picture first.}

23 Mar 2012 07:17:30
Anyone know the status of Jamie Ness? Ed ? {Ed001's Note - last I heard he was due back next month, hard to tell though, he is a young lad and he has been pushed too hard before his body was ready. I doubt he will ever be fully fit and manage to play a full season now.}

23 Mar 2012 00:53:21
Now that both Rangers supporters organizations have nailed their colours to the mast, there's no going back. If P Murray's bid crashes and burns, their hopes of being involved at Ibrox in a formal capacity burns with him.

They can have no expectation of any other bid winner offering them anything and mustn't gripe if they don't get anything. They should have remained neutral in the bidding process and pledged to work with the successful bidder. They look rather silly now. No foresight.

I think that all 3 supporters organisations are a completely toothless bunch of would be tv commentators. These ppl met with CW and asked when accounts would be filed. Serious stuff eh, never mind asking him why he is a lying b**tard. I for one would not be happy if this mob ever have a say.

23 Mar 2012 00:07:31
huge game on sunday for us bears for obvious reasons,
perish the thought sellik can win the title at ibrox and makes me boak but ally has a chance to give us a bit of pride back and surely attack them
they will win the league but a tainted one at that,hearts will knock them out of the scottish cup leaving the ginger whinger 1 out of 3
i cant wait to see who he blames then?

ronnie rattray
perh

I agree with you ronnie but with ally's team selections and tactics i think we will struggle!!!

Tainted....you moron...celtic never made you not pay your taxes...celtic not getting done for fraud...whats tainted celtic would gladly give you your 10 points back we would still win it...good luck with your takeover coz so far the only bidders are all only in it to line their own pockets

Rangers fan hear nothing tainted about it use won it by winning more games enjoy the gers will be back ... Kenny bluenose