Rangers Banter Archive November 23 2016

 

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23 Nov 2016 19:11:35
See that Lescot's contract likely to be cancelled and will looking for a club. Narrow escape there.



23 Nov 2016 20:17:16
Yes Fd, but we were due one.



23 Nov 2016 18:53:31
Its now time to have all jargon we have on Fat Mike is released to the media! I know they say they can't release any details because of the contract but there is ways and means to release info to the media?
Today's news about £1 a year for the rent of the Megastore is simply disgusting! And surely it's time to get the demonstrations going! 🇬🇧.



23 Nov 2016 19:47:55
This is just one dodgy deal I'm the box with all the others.

The men who ran this club into administration only got involved to get their pound of flesh it would seem.

King came in to a fight with his hands already tied due to these, no doubt legally sound contracts.

There is nothing to be accomplished by demonstrating about Ashley and his working practices, the guy isn't stupid and he will have a team making who made sure all the I's were dotted and all the t's crossed.



23 Nov 2016 19:54:38
What your saying Rafbob is just sit there and do nothing a keep our mouths shut while we get fleeced by the Fat Man? Come on!



23 Nov 2016 20:42:05
Raftbob

Fat Mike has already backed down in his working practices at Sports Direct so I wouldn't be too sure that he is as fire proof as you think. It seems clear that he and the former directors of the club haven't acted in the best interests of the club and hopefully the club can rid themselves of him once and for all. As for the boycott fans must continue to do this and not meekly accept it as you think.



23 Nov 2016 20:45:07
Not at all Yately.

Shouting about it in large numbers won't change a thing, that is what I am saying.

I agree with you and how you feel but look at it realistically, the men in charge know the facts and if there were any loose ends they would have been exposed already.

So filtering stories to the media will do nothing, for example look at the scandal sports direct has already faced; pay for employees and unpaid work. What happened with them?

No real backlash and no real punishment for Ashley.

I'm not saying sit down and shut up while you watch the money Rangers need go to line Ashley's pockets, King already has him in court and that is the only way it's going to change.



23 Nov 2016 20:59:38
Biffo, I never said accept it and I never said fans shouldn't continue to boycott merchandise sales.

He backed down to please the media and deflect pressure received from the government, he never received punishment and got away with it.

He claimed he would give employees back pay of around £1m total, this isn't a big dent for him.

I am saying the same thing as you, he has acted against the club's interests in his contracts and the courts will highlight this to our benefit with any luck.

I don't think he is fire proof, far from it. However, he isn't this wealthy because he makes naive dealings here and there.



23 Nov 2016 23:02:04
You do know Ashley gave your club an unsecured loan around the same time. A loan that more than likely kept your club afloat.
Where as Mr king? Other people's money.



23 Nov 2016 23:40:10
Ashley lent money to get a grip on the club and we have more than paid for that.

At the time, wee had better loan options that wouldn't have left us with all these contracts that are of zero benefit to Rangers.



23 Nov 2016 15:11:06
Does anyone feel that tom walsh and ryan hardie would benefit from a loan move somewhere other than st mirren . they hardly get any game time and st mirren pumped every week is hardly doing anything for the lads development surely rangers should recall them in jan and try get them a better loan move.



23 Nov 2016 15:37:43
Understand where you are coming from, but the question that has to be asked is that if they are not good enough for to get in St mirrens first team then they are not good enough to make the grade for us.



23 Nov 2016 20:43:55
Yeah it's concerning that neither have done particularly well for the current worst team in the championship. Had high hopes Hardie could make it at Rangers but think Walsh will be yet another youngster full of promise that ends up being released.



23 Nov 2016 09:31:42
The negativity on here is really starting to make it hard to come on these days.
I don't think that everything is rosy but Jesus some people need to step back and see the bigger picture.
"King isn't funding us" - We brought in 11 players and are overhauling EVERYTHING at the club. All this with one hand tied behind our back due to the Ashley debacle (Which is not King's fault) .
"Why did we buy so many squad players? " - The people moaning about this are the same people who moaned about Warburton's tight squad last season. We were woefully undermanned last season and suffered due to it. Tav had to play from April until end of season with an injury.
"Warburton always says we will learn from games" - yeah he defends players and tries to be positive? God forbid. I'm not a huge Warburton fan but I get his purpose.
"Cant Warbs see we need a CB? CDM? AM? ST? " As fans signing a player for Gers is easy but outside of Scotland what high quality player wants to play in Scotland with no GUARANTEE of Europe and no big wage? Senderos was clearly Warbs back up plan only and we had to use it - hasn't worked. No-one could have figured Senderos. Barton and Kranjcar would ALL have issues. Has Garner worked - jury's out IMO.
Are we perfect no. Is Warbs perfect - no!
As fans though we are anything but perfect too.
King has IMO done a good job of steadying a ship that was in dire straits. We however demand more.
We want him to throw all his money in but are ungrateful for what has been done already.
We want Warbs to be able to overhaul the full club, build a great team on a shoestring and be a master tactician - he's not, he doesn't claim to be. There is no-one that could have done better at what we needed and if there is we couldn't afford someone who ticks all those boxes.
We know the media thrive on any negativity whether it be true or false but lap it up anyway and jump on the bandwagon.
People forget we are moving forward! I get it's frustrating we are not at Celtic's level YET (And we are definitely not) but we are progressing.
The club is becoming more stable.
Our squad is a damn sight better than a couple of years ago.
Once we have got rid of Ashley and sort the merchandise. Once we get the chance of Europe things will improve further.
Do I think Warbs will be the man to lead us to glory? No I don't. However I think he is the best man for where we are now. I don't see him being with the club in summer 2018.
In the meantime I will SUPPORT him and everyone in Blue!



23 Nov 2016 11:55:17
Agree Bluegenius, we are in year 2 of 5 year transformation plan. Much progress made and much more remains on and off the park.



23 Nov 2016 13:55:13
Bluegenius, we are all entitled to our opinion, and in mine, you are not viewing our position, as it is. I am not going to try to shoot down your points one by one, but my appraisal is that we were like a dilapidated wall needing a total overhaul. Instead, it was patched up with polyfilla and given a couple of coats of paint.
In saying this, DK misled us, from the day he started the boycott and then with all his false promises. He would have been better telling us the full truth, that will only come out after the upcoming trials.
It is understandable that investment was/ is limited and all that was needed was transparency, instead of false dawns.



23 Nov 2016 14:32:04
Billy I am not saying people are not allowed their opinion. Of course they are. The above is just mine.
I would be interested in seeing how you suggest we would overhaul the club as I believe this is exactly what is happening yet you call it polyfilla?



23 Nov 2016 14:37:35
if some of the fans carry on with these demands on king and warburton they will be off then what is the club going to do then, get in another murray and this time the descent will be rapid, I've never met so many negative people posting as on here, just leave the guys to get on with their jobs and the keyboard managers should stick to watching honey g.



23 Nov 2016 15:58:57
Bluegenius, quite simply, there is not much more we can expect at present. Our club is a very, very poor investment at present and it is only diehards that will put cash into the club. There is far too much uncertainty about the financial stability, just now.
Football, in general, is a poor investment, with Scotland in particular, a difficult place to operate.
My main grump is that DK backed the boycott that crippled an already vulnerable financial situation, that was caused by a group that ripped the arse out of us. DK told of £60m being invested from his family pension fund, but this was a lie. No pension fund trustees, in their right mind, would put 2/ - into Rangers as their is no chance of a return on the investment, at present.
DK and his board have kept our head above water, and to answer your question on the options to DK's actions, there are none. So let us hope for facts at the AGM, although don't hold your breath, as there will be restrictions on just how much can be imparted.
So, we will see what happens. Personally, I think we ought to waken up to the predicament we are in.



23 Nov 2016 16:46:51
Agreed Billy.
I do believe that the financial mess that we were in and the layers of dubious contracts has surprised even King and is at very least bordering on illegal.
As much as I think King did overstate and overpromise I don't think these were out and out lies.
I believe that the financial side is a long drawn out job.
The footballing side as far as I can see was to bring Warbs in (a 3 year plan) to overhaul footballing side. Top to bottom focusing on bringing in value and make it profitable whilst building a whole club footballing ethos which I think they are doing successfully considering the setbacks faced.



23 Nov 2016 18:35:07
I believe everything that can be done is being worked at on and off the park. Until outstanding legal actions are completed imo will be difficult to fully move forward and return to business as usual. We need a sustainable business model that will maximise revenue opportunities from all fronts, which currently obstacles prevent. I have no special particular allegiance to DK but do believe he is a rangers man, has the clubs' interest at heart and has provided leadership where there was none. AGM will be interesting but as billyb says some restrictions will prevent full discussion.



23 Nov 2016 20:48:43
Blue genius

Sorry but Warburton isn't doing the job. The team are poor and the tactics are predictable. He has brought in a lot of players however none have improved much and not 1 player he has brought in would command big money. His signing policy has been poor and he still doesn't know his best 11.



24 Nov 2016 08:14:34
how can you say none have improved the team lol? will we go back to mohsni and daly etc.



24 Nov 2016 09:04:16
Biffo as I have already said I don't think Warbs is the man to bring us glory but you say he is not up to doing a job.
I disagree. He has done the exact job that was needed.

What we needed more than anything was someone who could build a team to win Championship and get established in prem league on a shoestring. Meanwhile overhauling the whole set up from youth to first team and re-establishing a coaching/ scouting network.
I don't believe anyone would have done better the we could have brought in.
Please if you disagree name one?!
However you are partly right I believe. Once that 3 year job is done we will need someone who can then bring the best out of players and use more tactical nous.
To expect any manager to do all of the above and you really are in the Guardiola range and outside our budget.



25 Nov 2016 17:41:26
You say his back up was Senderos. well his plan A was Lescott who's contract has just been mutually ended at AEK. not much of a difference there IMO.



 
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