Rangers Banter Archive September 23 2012

 

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23 Sep 2012 17:49:50
Hey all you ex bears as I posted on
CFC site and Free Bets site I bet on
both teams to score. On Tuesday I
won £110 today I won £50 by betting
both teams to score. Even at Ibrokes
your team loses goals so have a bet
next time and make some money on
your team. lol Timalloy
PS on wednesday I fully expect you
to beat Motherwell so I will bet accordingly
next week, cup tie at Forres I am again
betting both to score, also betting on
a draw and a wee flutter on Forres which
I expect will be big odds.

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As you posted on CFC site?
You must think we're as sad as you tim.
We don't care for the CFC site.

Dtp89

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@1: 'we'? There are plenty of 'you' who do post on the Celtic site.

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23 Sep 2012 17:21:40
an absolute must - get Cribari out of the team and play mccullough at the back meantime.
I would keep the others at the back as too many changes would be counter productive.
We also need to play 2 up front with Shiels sitting behind them.

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Spot on mate, the losing of Bocaanegra on the final day and not replacing him was a major error.
Think McCulloch would be better suited at CB and would bring on Perry. At least we would have somebody that goes and attacks the ball, because every time played in the box we are all over the place.
Team against Well would be as follows:

Alexander

Greek Geezer
McCulloch
Perry
Wallace

Shiels
Black
McLeod
Aird

Sandaza
McKay

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If this 11 starts Motherwell will win. Have to go with experience. Too soon to throw Aird in or we will lose it in the middle of the park. I agree with McCulloch at the back, but beside Cribari. Guarantee you would see a difference in the big Brazilian with jig screaming at him. If available, I would play little with shiels just off him. THIS is a game to play 4-5-1. Not against Q of The South.

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Defence is a major problem especially at centre back our options are limited

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23 Sep 2012 17:15:15
to answer all questions pertaining to clyde....clyde have for many years been the parent club of st roch juniours...who also have been the most involved juniour club wi celtic....i know cause i played for st roch and the bully wee in theearly seventees....RI.P..archie....deecee

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The Roch played a few pranks behind the Larky Thistle goals im sure u can see it on you tube but when they came here too the gasworks the Green Brigade were supposably coming not a fan showed none the less the Larkhall end was completely full and those St Rochs Boys took abuse like no other best Junior Game ive ever been too!

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23 Sep 2012 17:32:48
some Rangers fans on here really are a disgrace,Firstly,we are in the lowest league,for a reason,we wont do a deal to lose trophies and titles,Secondly,our average age of our team,and lack of experience,will take time to mature,but will still be good enough to win promotion,and finally,if you dont like watching Rangers,go across the city,and watch the junglies,support the team,the manager,and the Chairman,we will be back,because,the Rangers support,is better than all the rest,and the team will grow,and prosper,in three years,we will be atop the Premier league,just like before,in the meantime,take our medeicine,and get on with it.RANGERS THEN,NOW,AND FOREVER.

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Bull***t mate. You're not in div3 because you don't want to do a deal on titles. SFL chairmen voted you there as a new club entering Scottish football.
You're beginning to sound like Glinty eyes Green.

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The average age of you team. What is that exactly? McCullough is about 50 as is Kevin Kyle.

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McCullough? Haha. McCULLOCH and Kyles combined age is closer to 50 pal. Every team needs experience.

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McCoist stating today SFL never agreed to let rangers into sfl1, or be part of titles stripping agenda. So OP totally wrong.
Green therefore totally wrong also. {Ed001's Note - didn't Green say it was the SPL that offered that deal?}

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Green said it was a FIVE party deal. SFL SPL SFA oldco and newco..... Remember Ed!! {Ed001's Note - no I don't, that's why I asked.}

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23 Sep 2012 17:09:53
Well done the 45.000 plus fans today,you do the club proud,good performance,young lads look superb,its early doors,roll on wednesday,big game,great crowd,beat the well.

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23 Sep 2012 16:17:36
Most authorities when faced with an expensive inquiry will try to deal a deal. When guilt is obvious it can suit both parties. It has been common knowledge for months that rangers made non contractual payments to players. We know who they were and how much. The evidence is there. If this had been celtic you would all be demanding justice and rightly so. There is no hope at all that rangers will retain those titles. They are obviously guilty. A deal could have been done but now the whole truth will come out.

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Correct, the whole truth is about to come out.

I just hope those in the east end are prepared for the outcome.

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...No they didnt...they made payments into an off shore benefit trust fund which said players could get intrest free loans from....so please dont talk turkish delight..

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Unless another separate contract existed then technically they cannot be guilty of having duel contracts. And all it takes to prove innocence is a technicality.

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The initial investigation came to conclusion of "Prima facie" evidence. {Ed001's Note - you might want to learn what that means before posting complete and utter lies about it on here. It means nothing regarding guilt or innocence, what a load of tosh only gullible fools believe in. It simply means that there is a case to answer, nothing more.}

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23 Sep 2012 16:08:06
Well Celtic fans like doom and gloom so I want a shot. Supposedly rangers players have been told not to win any more games as there is no money to pay win bonuses

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Lol green will be going mental no listening to him. Only joking good result the day just goes to prove the point though at half time commentator saying the more experienced players looked uninterested. End of game saying youngsters showed desire and willingness and won it for rangers. Ally take heid if the so called pros can't raise there game don't play them let the youngsters have a shot. Secondly bet they turn up on Wednesday. If they manage to beat Motherwell it just proves they ain't trying in the league which is not except able

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Would be a shock result against Motherwell if we only lost 3-0. McCoist must go upstairs before its to late. Forget Ally the legend stuff. Right now we need a proper manager. Or its going to go tits up soon.

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FFS, we are in the 4th tier of Scottish football- not down to playing- do you honestly believe McCoist will not get us promoted this season? If we win the league, that is only thing that matters. Out of interest, which GREAT manager do you believe will join a club in the bottom league in the land? Tits up my arse!!

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23 Sep 2012 13:29:29
We will be playing Clyde away shortly, hope all our supporters' clubs issue a joint statement for a boycott of their ground as they were the only SFL club to vote against our entry into Div.3. This is an opportunity to show that deeds not words from our supporters do count. Follow Follow, but not to Cumbernauld...I'm afraid! Geo the Ger

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Quite right give them no money

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Groan , Is there no end to your pettiness . Your in Div 3 support your club just get on with it . This Chuck Green guff seems to be rubbing off on yous......DH

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Agreed, but why did Clyde want Rangers out of existence?

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If you kick a stone in anger, you'll hurt your own foot. ~Korean Proverb

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Rangers fans that do attend the away match at Clyde should be ashamed. Clyde's no vote will never be forgotten.

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@4 Do you know meaning of word corrupt?
If you look it up in the dictionary you'll see
rangers = corrupt

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And in what way, No 4, were Clyde acting corruptly ?

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Clyde did not vote against rangers check the facts.Clyde commented on the choice being forced onto them by the spl and sfa and the rules being changed to allow rangers in being different from previous practice

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Let me get this right. There was a vote. You could vote 3 ways, for, against or abstain. So if you vote for you are clean. Abstain a bit corrupt. Against you are corrupt. How does that work ? Shouldnt Clyde have been told if they voted against that would make them corrupt ? And now they are connected to st. Rochs who are connected to celtic so it must be celtic. Have you not also noticed that if you transpose the letters in Clyde you get celdy ? If you chant it over and over it sounds like celtic. DA DA DA DA.

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Which dictionary should I look that up for? Surprised you never put ' FACT' after it. Would the same dictionary have;

celtic= hypocritical

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A spokesperson on behalf of Clyde FC should put this all to bed by giving an explanation to why they voted no to Rangers,whereupon 29 other SFL member clubs voted yes.

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I though it was Albion Rovers that voted against us?

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They don't need to give an explanation. They're entitled to vote any way they like otherwise it wouldn't be a vote would it ?

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AT 12) I also thought it was Albion Rovers 'cos Coatbridge is or was known as 'Little Ireland'. Hard to believe it's Clyde. Why?

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23 Sep 2012 13:29:05
Any where to see the game today on tinternet ? thanks. Lee

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23 Sep 2012 12:07:46
come on fellow bears let's get another sell out today,still a good few tickets left (i see the best supporters in the world over at the piggery yesterday only managed 41,073)Who needs Rangers in the SPL HA HA HA HA WATP Rangers Then Rangers Now Rangers Forever

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They also got 53000 midweek in the champions league, think that's the record attendance pish put to bed!!

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Eh mate as long as there's no booing like Tues night, if you don't like what you see don't go but don't boo McCoist's team!

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40,000 at fullprice... or xx,000 at 1/3 price ?

dont understand this comparison ?

rangers get more fans, cos they charged less ? {Ed039's Note - Guys, get a life, all thsi attendance tit for tat p**h is getting old, I personally wont be posting anymore of it because we have heard it all before)

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And the value of the gates is what op? The attendance nonsense is laughable like your post in fact.

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Celtic have drawn 293,000 to their competitive home games this season. That income has already outstripped the rangers season ticket income. Add to that 1m from match with Madrid in USA, friendlies, ki, and champions league money and its still only September. You can fantasies all you like about celtic being in trouble but it is rangers who went bust and are in div 3.the spl is taking on a very healthy shape and will get more and.more competitive as the season goes on. You guys are like the guy in jail imagining everybody is miserable without him when nobody cares.

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Attendance today was? And half the crowd according to BBC didn't even wait for the final whistle.

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Why do Celtic fans continue with the prices at one third. The prices are one third off, therefore two thirds.

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£17 for a ticket for my 16 year old brother at Celtic Park.

£6 for his 16 yet old mate at Ibrox.

3 X Cheaper.

If Ibrox was only a 3rd Cheaper you would see a difference in attendance.

And the same applies at Celtic Park. A 3rd Cheaper and attendances would be more.

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Well said Ed no need for this stupid attendance tit for tat both these club are and always will be well supported there will always be reasons why some games are better supported than others whether it be the competition cost or whatever. Also as far as the Clyde game is concerned we should follow our team no matter what. Is that not what the song says- Anywhere, Everywhere.
Bobby

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#5 - your probably right - but even with all that income you posted a £7m loss - cutting of cloth ahead me thinks

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23 Sep 2012 11:18:40
Lord Nimmo- Smith in a well balanced and written article in Sunday Mail criticising Glinty Green.
As I've previously posted oldco and newco cannot appeal the decision if they do not partake in the initial inquiry! Greens strategy is self harming to the club.
I think he has decided on non cooperation as the situation is not defensible. He also thinks being Bolshevik wins over fans.

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Lord Nimmo Smith is only there to try to add creedence to the spl,s attempt to extort cash and titles off of Rangers....if they fail its bye bye spl...Green is correct to tell them to stuff it...lets get this heard in a proper court of law..

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What do the football authorities have to gain by stripping old Rangers of titles other than to send out the message that cheating is wrong? Some of you oldco fans are starting to sound deranged. You've been caught cheating. There is tonnes of evidence to support that claim. Get over it.

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Not extortion - punishment more like

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Rangers wont go anywhere near a court of law with this. Are you mad ? This was a tax avoidance scheme gone wrong. Ever heard the word perjury ? Now then Mr. Dodds, you are under oath, was this payment for playing football or not ? Lie and you will go to prison. Next.

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Even if EBTs are against SFA rules, these were declared to SFA who accepted accounts. Another case of a problem caused by the incompetence of the SFA.

Why is this considered cheating anyway?
What had payments to players got to o with results on the park. Do you think that because they got an extra ten grand that they would not have won the games. It's pathetic and is nothing more than a witch hunt.

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5. Do you still not understand this ? All payments to players have to be in their contract. If not their registration is void and they are not allowed to play.
Those cows are far away.

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Good post 5)...concise and straight to the point. I would like to add that never again will the SFA receive any monies from me for match tickets,etc.

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I am afraid the whole issue sist on the fact that some players were given an additional piece of paper basically telling them the EBT was a loan which they did not have to pay back. This letter is effectively part of their contract but these letters were not disclosed to the SFA. That said the SFA were given the figures relating to these loans every year when the club turned-in it's accounts. No one questioned it until CW evaded paying taxes etc. So the SFA have to be brought to the bench as well for not ensuring they understood all the payments before accepting the accounts. Stripping titles etc? Just a paperwork exercise so why get upset.

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23 Sep 2012 10:52:33
Neil alexander,"judge us next year".naw neil ,judgement has been passed.verdict............you're aw ****e.take them down.

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Almost as funny as Jelavic's comments about the old Rangers being certain champions!

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Too late to judge ally and the team next year. The damage will have been done and irreparable.

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23 Sep 2012 08:55:24
With today's game being on a Sunday
and not televised, it is obvious that
Sevco know their place, if Celtic (the
SPL club) are playing Saturday the wee
diddy club must play the next day, as
the SPL must play their game first.
Sevco now know their place, second
and always will be to the world famous
Glasgow Celtic hail hail Timalloy
PS maybe it is lucky game not televised
as all the rust at Ibrox now glaringly
obvious (both off and on the park)

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I see your stadium wasn't near full again or were you all dressed up as green seats again WATP

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How could you see that? unless you are a closet Celtic fan and were there?

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Timmy talking rubbish again, do you even know what's going on? Yous are playing hearts Sunday the 7th of October so we can play at ibrox on Saturday 6th of October, idiot.

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Rangers are playing away to stirling albion on the 6th oct at forthbank stadium. idiot...

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Hearts match is scheduled on sky, therefore leaving sat clear.

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It's actually November 10th rangers play at home to peterhead, Celtics game against st johnstone been moved back 24 hours.

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Bears thanks, I DO enjoy my Sunday morning fishing trips,,,, LOL Timalloy
Ps I hear that Brasso is reducing its prices, so no excuses for any more rust showing at Ibrox......

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23 Sep 2012 08:33:26
Guys, just a thought but when this 'independant'commission meets, surely they have to look at the reason for the correct registration of player contracts, that is to protect players from becoming disadvantaged in the event a dispute with their club, they must then ask the question was any player disadvantaged by these (still alleged) double contracts? the answer being know how can they then apply the harshest sanction available to them? i know we are asking a lot of the 'independant' commission but for people in their possition they still have to be seen to be fair

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A single, comprehensive contract also prevents financial corruption/doping and blatent tax evasion.

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If the EBTs were above question, clean and legal why were they being managed furtively in secret? Why were the arrangements not openly stated in paragraphs of each players contract? Why were the details written on secretive side letters? Denied for so long? Even Martin Bain writing to Murray Group stating he has asked for a letter to be destroyed by a secretary. {Ed039's Note - They were never operated in secret, they are a matter of public record, and were produced and APPROVED in the company accounts sent to the SFA every year)

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Players and management who all accepted EBTs are disgraceful tax evasion scoundrels.
They don't deserve winners medals for their cheating.

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Ed039 matt of public record, the ammount yes (e.g. £5million one year) but how it that complete disclosure.......

if to directors and managers there is no issue whatsoever, if to players then there is case for nondisclosure....

ebt £5,023,234

now which players does that cover... you tell me get it correct and gers af the hook, if you cannot decypher this then they in real trobuel

ps the innocent defend charges, the guilty dont tend to turn up in court

Zzzzzz {Ed039's Note - So everyone knew they were being used, including the SFA, you just made my case for me)

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Ed039' everybody knowing is not the point, who in the SFA knew, ex-rangers directors... hardly counts.

SFA does not need to check all submissions, thats the point.

If later evidence shows any failure to declare all information necessary, its up to rangers to show they gave all necessary info needed.

as stated its not clear there were payments to players, ipso facto.

What is rangers defence... we gave all information, SFA did not ask any questions, we are in clear. lol

go for it!

Lets see if that stands up in court!

If you play a player who is ineligible and this found after the game, result still void. It was not up to the referee to check all docs, its not up to SFA to check all docs.

These are the rules.

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At post 2 , ed i think youll find the lump sum payment into the trust was declared in thier accounts, but the payment from that account was carried out overseas and not declared.

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23 Sep 2012 04:58:02
The corrupt SFA and SPL are in the paper and I does NOT look good for them and the paper is our old friend the SUN

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Would you like to explain? Stop following the paper that prints what you want to believe that day.It's time Green was asked some direct questions by fans groups,remember his door is always open.

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That rag is no-one's friend.

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O.P.: I literally don't know what you're on about. Think, and then type.

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Ok they jump the gun , dont make it any better for your team and by the way f.. the suns opinion

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I take it Liverpool aren't your English team.

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The Sun is for the of the earth. Only an idiot would give money to those people.

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Green could have accepted some titles removed and no more punishments (fines or banishments) and said no!

now natural justice takes place and "rangers fc" will face full punishments for any misdemeanors.....

if newco/oldco wont defend charges full force of punishments open to be used....

then uefa will wade in ......

big mistake by green...??

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Uefa is more corrupt than the sfa the days of uefa power is coming to an end

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23 Sep 2012 01:13:19
Rangers have provided more players for Scotland than any other team and the Legend MCoist and my hero JOhn GRieg and yet this SFA keep giving us crap Scottish fans and all supporters that I talk to are fed up with this political crap let's get on with playing football and get on with our football rivalry

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Easy for you to say , but if it was that easy why not tell cg and ally to just accept what you deserve then we can get on with it

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I don't get anything the OP was on about. What's your point, OP?

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23 Sep 2012 00:34:38
In light of today's Sun revelations revealing the SPL and SFA witch hunt to strip RFC of past league and Scottish cup titles, I think "the mole" leaking these documents should maintain these revelations to the Sun and reveal whose names were on the paperwork issued to Charlie last June....no prizes for guessing to be honest but it will increase the pressure on those who were spearheading these disgraceful and scandalous actions by football's so called governing bodies.

By naming the parties who issued the paper will openly call into question their personal - and for the sake of impartiality - professional reasons for assuming Rangers guilt when the actual position then and as still is the case now, is that Rangers have NOT been found guilty of any wrong-doing by the real courts of our land never mind some jumped up kangaroo version headed by Reagan, Lawell and Petrie!

David Longmuir of the SFL will today support Charles Green's condemnation of the SPL and SFA. That is fantastic and only encourages me more to want to remain in the SFL and bring the SPL down once we get back to the position of re-entry. However, back to my main point.....the information about the SFA and SPL's plot to revoke titles from Rangers is now out in the open....Green is being supported by the SFL who were privy to the paper....so lets keep up the pressure and name and shame the parties driving this vendetta.

SPM

Wonder why the Record didn't run the story first. They had it last Thursday.....

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Why do you think this has anything to do with Celtic by bring up lawell? Is it not one of your former directors that run the sfl?(no wonder why they will support you and why you love them on your side and might have taken ebts)is it not one of your former member that brought this up years ago, just to have yous say it's all bs?(proof that there is a case to answer not only from that but panels ect.
And why not one last thing, does it not seem like the spl was trying to help you by letting you in to div1(and your right about making up rules for they tried hard to get you in asap) how they knew about this long ago, how cg am has not been punished for comments.
No other club has anything to do with your problems, why don't you ask Dm who sold yous and why he has been hiding or why cg gets yous distracted after every bad game and uses the every one hates and is having a kick at us speech?
This has nothing to do about dislike or my club is better then yours, but to open your eyes and look at both sides of the argument and stop hiding from facts because you love your club and follow what ever legend(that was on ebt and not) tells you to believe.

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Looks like it must be an open and shut case , you would like to think that everyone at sfa and spl are all donkeys but thats because the mud is being slung at you , if it were celtic that were getting it you would be hailing them as true leaders , and dont give me any sh,te you wouldnt

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Witch hunt? Are you mental? The investigation is into the possible use of dual contracts.The fact that "rangers men" were in high positions in the SFA at the time means there has to be an investigation.The stripping of titles,if it is proven,is against the old defunct club,why Green is making a meal of this is to get more fans on side.This guy is from the Murray school of smoke and mirrors.Why does he use the same PR company as Whyte?

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DM and his pals feasted on Rangers fans money for decades, ran up £140m of debt and offloaded the toxic embarrassment to CW for a quid. All Rangers internal problems. Doing deals is what organisations do. The one offered to Green was another example of leniency.
I doubt his taking what happens behind closed doors to the worst gutter press is earning him any goodwill. No one has actually broke any laws or done anything wrong here.

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The fact that there has been an investigation and its been found that rangers do have a case to answer. Charles green tried his hardest to get rangers in the spl he was told no by 10 clubs with Kilmarnock abstaining. There was a deal offered that would see rangers accept the inevitable and in return be granted entry into the 1 division as part of a so called punishment. It was a deal offered to Charles green he refused it which was his right to do so I don't see the big deal. It will now be decided by a panel of law experts. I do t see the why celtic are being brought into this as its nothing to do with celtic what's happened to rangers. If rangers are found guilty of dual contracts rangers fans will probably moan that mr green should have accepted the proposed punishment. We shall all have to wait and see. Tbh I'm not going to loose any sleep over it.

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