Rangers Banter Archive April 24 2012

24 Apr 2012 23:38:40
traynor says it best...


RANGERS supporters were apoplectic last night and threatening all sorts of reprisals after an SFA independent inquiry found their club guilty of serious breaches.

The Ibrox club have been fined £160,000 and banned from signing any players older than 18 for a whole year.


The financial penalty is bad enough for a club that's just about penniless but the transfer sanction could be a killer. Make no mistake, this is a punishment which could finish Rangers off.

They are certain to lose players at the end of the season - in return for massive wage cuts players negotiated new clauses in their contracts which will make their departures easy - but won't be able to replace them.

Paul Murray and Bill Miller would be raving mad to buy Rangers with that restriction attached and, in fact, both are reconsidering the wisdom of getting involved with such a stricken, seemingly God forsaken club.

Rangers have lurched from one crisis to another but last night's brutal news could lead to the Ibrox doors being padlocked.

And all because of Craig Whyte, who was hit with a £200,000 fine and given a lifetime suspension from Scottish football. Sadly, his ban comes a year too late.

Last night, as they fermented and agonised it was difficult to work out who Rangers' fans wanted to hit out against first and most.

The SFA? Certainly but what about Whyte, who thinks he believes he should have a seat for life in the Ibrox directors' box?

If he's smart he'll think again on that but if he was thinking at all last night when he heard the verdicts it wasn't about the club he has all but ruined.

"Tell me how it is going to affect me? I couldn't care less," he said. "It makes no difference to my life whatsoever - and good luck collecting the money. It's a joke.

"It is very harsh on Rangers. I am surprised at how harsh the SFA have been on a club which is going through tough times at the moment.

"Stewart Regan (chief executive) and Campbell Ogilvie (president) should resign and get out of Scottish football.

"The SFA want to kick Rangers when they are down and I hope people remember that. They are playing to the media."

Whyte's response was cold and crass and ignored completely the fact that he more than anyone is responsible for the hurt and the trauma being visited upon this club.

Of course David Murray reigned during a period of wild indulgence spending money on players the club couldn't afford and the full impact of that folly has yet to be felt.

The verdict on the EBT case hasn't been announced but the damage could be as much as £60m.

Even so, Rangers were not in danger of insolvency when Whyte took over last May.

The bank debt was down at £18m but Whyte's refusal to pay bills, especially those due to HMRC, pushed the club to the edge of the abyss.

Last night's verdict from the SFA's independent hearing, however, threatens to tip Rangers over the edge into liquidation.

Be in no doubt that's how serious these fresh sanctions are and the ban on signing players for 12 months could be the final nail in the coffin.

This is a hellish development for Rangers and certainly the two remaining bidders, Murray and Miller, were re-assessing after recovering from the shock of the latest punishments.

Rangers will appeal the verdict but they had already been convinced their arguments against punishments would make Lord William Nimmo Smith and his panel realise there was only one person to blame.

Yet, Rangers and their manager Ally McCoist have been battered more than Whyte himself.

The SFA's hearing just might have made Rangers worthless and their fans are entitled to be bemused and angry. They are also justified in feeling they and their club have been abused as well as abandoned by many in the Scottish game.

There has been a disturbing level of glee over Rangers' plight. Among fans of other clubs, fair enough. But inside boardrooms?

The timing of the announcement by the SFA took most people by surprise and although the hearing was entirely independent surely Nimmo Smith and his colleagues must have been aware the club's administration process had reached a delicate stage.

This is not to suggest they should have avoided doing what they believed to be correct and fair but they might just have called time on an ancient club.

And if sanctions imposed by them lead to the closure of Rangers because bidders walk away, the gentlemen who sat in judgment must also accept their part in the club's demise, if liquidation flows.

Nimmo Smith and Co won't be in the same hall of shame as Whyte and Murray, who sold the club to a charlatan, but they'll have played their part.

As will the SFA and SPL, who have aways given the impression that they have been more interested in punishment than rehabilitation.

And it's the innocents who will suffer. Rangers' fans have been a disgrace in the past but the tens of thousands of decent people who support this club don't deserve what's happening to them right now.

And it could get worse depending on the outcome of the SPL's meeting on Monday.

The top-flight clubs will consider other heavy sanctions to be imposed should Rangers now slip into liquidation but just how many times are they to be kicked while on their knees?

The authorities are in danger of leaving themselves open to accusations of bloodlust and Rangers' fans will never forgive them. Nor should they
theweeprimeminister

So the clubs rangers work with want rangers dead,what next we cant continue working with these clubs
honestly would you work with people who want you dead?
we must move for our own safety
its a must,if we have to have something to support and follow we cant just cant do it here know.......les

Long winded,suffice to say Rangers are guilty as charged,no signing anyone means nothing as you have no money anyway,if rules were applied fairly it should have been the 3rd division

Dannybhoy

We will never forget these last few weeks and who has been putting the boot in. Yes i agree, punishment should be meted out to Rangers but also rehabillitation should go hand in hand as well. The latter does not appear to be happening, and those in positions of power are not helping our situation and are imposing draconian measures being made 'ad-hoc'. The timing of sanctions by the SFA is helping to nail the coffin shut - it will impact on potential buyers, and if they had any sense they'd stay away. If the SFA want us liquidated, then they may have just got their wish by their actions.

24 Apr 2012 23:13:41
Heard ticketus moving for outright control themselves, battle for survival will be between them and hmrc. Hmrc win btc we cease to exist. Ticketus, as i hav said all along are the key, but now look our only hope!

I will never step inside ibrox again if they take over.

24 Apr 2012 23:06:23
Why dont Rangers supporters clubs start hassling former players and board members to pay back their EBT loans and see how much these guys, that kiss the jersey, love their former club.

24 Apr 2012 22:20:12
i cant understand why rangers fans ,want to bhoycot all away matches ,and withdraw there support for the scottish national team,could someone please explain the logic behind this.

If you can't work it out, then we wasting time trying to explain it.

24 Apr 2012 22:16:19
Reading all you bears predicting doom
and gloom for Scottish football..
"no Rangers, no tv deal, coefficient
plummets, crowds dwindle.. etc..
Well how about this as a counter argument
Dundee Utd, Motherwell, Hearts do
well in Europa League and all get
to group stages...coefficient rises
Celtic get to group stages of Champions
League 4 years in a row minimum £50m
(based on £12.5m each year)
SPL thrives and crowds come back
no trouble at any games, no Rangers
fans = no trouble...
Celtic with euro money bring in top
class players as do other teams
competing in europe..
SKY sports INCREASE tv money as
product now so much better..
Timalloy

Dhimalloy...when will you realise that no scottish team is going to make it to the champs league group stages for the forseeable future. Wake up man... Billy the bear...W.A.T.P...

Aye cause thats going to happen and celtic fans say rangers fans live in a dream world.

BigBear

And then you come down off your high....keep smoking the daft stuff, your posts get funnier and funnier.

What do you mean no trouble at any games is it just rangers fans that start or is involved in any trouble at games, this is getting beyond a joke, away back to your own page and keep smoking the bad stuff.
3rd division here we Come and loving it, we'll see how you all get on without us
Watp

Andy

24 Apr 2012 22:25:37
Does McCoist think that knowing who was on the judicail panel will make any diffrence to what their descision in the sanctions that were imposed on the club or they might reverse the descions that were made. ? The answer....NO.. The SFA would have picked three impartial executives to make the santions. When your on the platform with the noose around your neck do you cry and blubber like a big girl or do you hold your head up and and take your punishment like a real man. When your guilty your guilty if your not. . Well that means you have not defended yourself good enough...

24 Apr 2012 22:07:58
can someone tell me why sir david murry is not in any hot water over any of the dodgy goings on?

Hes teflon man.

24 Apr 2012 21:58:23
rangers will get a cva if club gets a good bid, offers so far no good end of

24 Apr 2012 21:41:38
Nice one Chelsea, nice to see a GB team getting thro. Few players gonnae be regretting their red and yellow cards now.

Well said took my mind of our problems...Blues Brothers...

This is why we like football, you just never know whats gonna happen.

24 Apr 2012 21:38:41
Come on Chelsea

24 Apr 2012 21:07:23
Speaks volumes about the Scottish football authorities if this goes through and all the other stupid penalties. Once we are bought over ,come next season gers fans should boycott all away games and this coupled with sky cutting the money would stop the tail wagging the dog. Not one other spl team has come out in support of us. Don't forget bears, no-one likes us we don't care!

Do you wonder why they don't? If you're looking for reasons, start with your own post.

24 Apr 2012 20:56:16
Can any rangers fan tell me what
FAIR sanctions should be imposed
on your club for all the wrongs that
have been commited? All iv seen so far is the rules being implemented. Your club thought they were untouchable. THEY ARE NOT.

No SPL club has been in this serious situation before, (Yes admin, but not with all our other problems) and the SFA are not sure how to apply the rules as they exist. So they appear to be making up new rules as they go along - and that's what's annoying people the most. We are trying to get out of Administration and the SFA are not being helpful with their timing of statements. We've already been docked points for next season, can't sign players etc. What other 'New Rules' are they going to come up with shortly? If their job is to make sure we don't get a buyer and go bust then that's what they are helping to achieve. Remember the rest of the league WILL suffer financially from an absent Rangers no matter what they choose to believe otherwise.'Don't cut off your nose to spite your face' comes to mind.

I think under 'normal' circumstances the sanctions would be FAIR. However, these are far from 'normal' circumstances.

The usual intention is to impose a 'survivable' sanction that disadvantages the competitiveness of the club for a period of time - the penalty.

For Rangers current woes, and there are many, a new investor needs to put together a financial plan to rescue the club, with no european matches for three years, deprived of 75% income from SPL TV(?), the prospect of losing some/many first team players over the summer, and Rangers perhaps only being able to field a senior school team of 16/17yr olds in next year's SPL, starting with a 10-15pt deduction - the 'grown up' SFA 'sanction'(s).

However things turn out, the SPL next year is going to be a bit of a joke, it may not have been the motivation behind the sanctions, but it will be the end result.

SFA worried about the game being 'brought into disrepute', well they're certainly hellbent on making it a laughing stock instead.

If the rules where in place before the fact, i wouldnt have a problem, but the sfa and spl are making the rules up as they go along....jsm

If you mean the Tax case,HMRC still trying to prove anything,this sanctions was CW,s doing and nothing to do with any EBT,s
the team,staff and fans having to suffer
while he get off again,as a Rangers fan i accept that any wrong doing must be punished and debts paid but you need players to actually operate as a football club.

24 Apr 2012 20:55:49
Could be the best thing that's ever happened to Scottish football. Let's face it, the product is so boring right now, we could still lose SKY sponsorship, even if Rangers stay in the SPL. Scottish football is bankrupt [financially and morally] - Rangers are simply the biggest contributor.

If every club in Scotland was given the same scrutiny I think it would shut a few people up

bill72

24 Apr 2012 20:40:15
Ideal opportunity to show how serious we are is too boycott Sundays game. It's live on sky. An old firm with no rangers support.

Do it then we will still get the money anyway

You will not be missed.

Do it it will save Celtic a fortune in repairs

Please do

24 Apr 2012 20:28:43
BREAKING NEWS: Rangers left reeling in shock as they find out that rules apply to them just like everyone else.

Is this the old rules or the new 'ad-hoc' ones.

Just multiplied by 10

Seems fair??

bill72

24 Apr 2012 20:23:33
Gers fan here asking fellow fans to allow hearts and hibs their cup final in peace, they have waited over 100 years for this day, what gives us the right to ruining it for them with our protests?

Agree, if we want to protest, do it at Ibrox - don't ruin Hearts/Hibs fans day out at Hampden. The beaks will get the message no matter where it comes from.

Totally agree our t**ts in charge have made us look bad enough without us marching on cup final day , it should definately be another day.
craig+babybear

24 Apr 2012 20:18:01
The boycott should start at parkhead on Sunday.

Please please do ...

This game will be televised world wide. It would make sense for the protest to start there. Certainly make sure that SKY will take note of what is going on.

@3; Great idea.please..........green jhedi

Aye well im still going and my couple of mates with tickets will be there, why as true fans to our team do u want to walk... craig+babybear

Like the police are really going to allow Rangers fans to protest at Celtic Park!

@3 You split on this subject or just talking to yourself?

24 Apr 2012 20:05:22
ed, ive been trying to get an answer to a question but not having much luck, the question is, if rangers come back into the spl as a newco does todays sanctions still apply? the reason i ask this is that there seems to be a good chance of bill miller being appointed as prefered bidder in the coming days, now we know that the spl will let rangers re-enter as a new co with a 10pt deduction and some money sanctions but i would really like to know how they could uphold the transfer embargo and the 160k fine. are we getting to excited about something that really means nothing?.....col..... {Ed001's Note - the sanctions would be applied to any newco, yes.}

If sentence was passed on oldco canny see how that would stand up in court of law thats like finding me guilty of whatever and jailing my son Thats the point of newco to get rid of oldco problems if it could be passed to newco then why wouldnt creditors just do the same

Only applies if the newco retains the old clubs history name etc according to STV. A Glasgow Rangers FC for example started in June 2012 would not have to suffer this punishment.

U lot want it all u dont want 2 pay your debt if its a newco u want 2 keep history and have no sanctions wake up and get in the real world

24 Apr 2012 19:59:31
Celtic are behind the scenes plotting to get a move to the English League. There position looks better with no Rangers. Watch and see.

Talking bullocks.

Give it up.theres no way...........green jhedi

Uefa won't allow any team from Scotland to play in England its been said a million times now.

Celtic are stuck in this backwater and with no Rangers they will be sevely weakened in years to come.

Who in their right mind will want to sign for a club that plays against St mirren and Inverness every few weeks and will most probably struggle to get past August still in Europe?

Rangers go under Celtic won't be that far behind wait and see.

No it doesnt there would have to be no viable STADIUMS to have a league has nothing to do with quality of opponent

@3: Celtic won't go under, no matter how much you hope and pray it happens.

Total bunkum

5.)
Think av heard that before somewhere

bill72

@7. About 1994 i think.

@8: and it didn't happen.

24 apr 2012 19:50:58
davy the bitter fan on clyde one. who hates the sfa, is he dealing with the full deck,the sfa are doing a good job, at a difficult time.

24 Apr 2012 19:42:05
Dont get confused.

This is NOT an SFA issue, its an
RFC issue.

Not TAX
No PAYE
EBT
Dual Contracts

Years of SDM corruption...

Face up to the facts...standup and take
the punishment,rebuild back in 3yrs...
2 old Firm Games a year (Cup games)

3 year darkness then start again

How can anyone disagree? It's fact.

24 Apr 2012 19:35:03
There have always been factions within the gers support for years. Each had their own agenda and frequently disagreed or disliked one another. Today's statement by the vanguard bears supporting Mark Dingwall is a wow moment. The SFA have managed to coalesce a support that has never happened before, I do believe there will be boycotts and bans to follow.

Banned from Europe,hows that for starters?

@1 Who's banned from europe?

24 Apr 2012 19:06:19
sky have said no rangers no new deal for spl

And you know how?........green jhedi

ESPN might say yes, though.

How do you know this? Do you know Rupert Murdoch? Because I can't find anything on sky about this?

No chance,i for one would cancel my sky package

@4; expect a chap at the door from murdoch begging you to come back.............green jhedi

@5 might be ally with new job garlar07

24 Apr 2012 19:30:32
Ally update on the official RFC site,
but also has pic of Durant playing
golf having a good time...
major PR blunder...check this out...

24 Apr 2012 19:11:53
So much blind leading the blind on here it's pathetic

Sure complain about the SFA, demo against them on cup final day. Oh yes all this is the SFAs fault.

Please please bears get a life. This has booger all to do with the SFA.

So tell me. Where is ur demo outside mr Murrays company headquarters, or outside Whites offices. Where is ur week in week out demo at ibrox

They're the culprits. They're the reason rangers are in this sh!t

Stop all this garbage now and get back to reality. The SFA have given rangers the lightest possible punishment possible

The two stooges meanwhile have dealt a death blow from which rangers will struggle to recover

Time to repeal his knighthood

Meant to put my name to my previous post

Don't care for anonymous posters who don't

Stand and be counted eh

It's MOJO

24 Apr 2012 19:02:32
WEE TIP for Hibs hearts Dundee utd Kilmarnock whatever you do dont use D&P when you go into ADMIN next year. On a better note good to see that sense has prevailed and we are considering resigning from SPL why subsidize an organization that is trying to kill us bye bye SKYand Clydesdale bank sponsorship and by the time we get back up SPL

And that'll mean no money for Rangers when they get back into the SPL.

Administration is a word most spl teams fans should expect to hear a lot next season without Rangers.

Even a club like Hibs who are not the worst off financially are running at a debt level that's 3 times bigger than turnover, how long can that last with even less money in the coffers?

As for Europe Celtic are 63rd in the coefficent rankings at the minte the next best spl teams are 185th and 195th. Rangers are the only Scottish team in the top 50. Says it all really about how bad the spl would be without Rangers.

24 Apr 2012 18:43:18
From the been...McCoist also admitted that he was "leaning towards" accepting that the club's immediate future might rest in the Third Division, a possible scenario should Rangers emerge from administration in the form of a newco.

He is hoping as thats about Sallys level

24 Apr 2012 18:39:02
Is it not about time David Murray got striped off his knighthood? This man is a criminal, dress it how ever u want he broke the law with not payin tax?

Striped or hooped? lol

Where's the criminal investigation into him then? If you're sure about him being a criminal, make a complaint to the police. Let us know how you get on.

Take it you've never heard of defamation then ?

24 Apr 2012 18:29:48
awryte bears - headin to my first away OF this weekend can anyone give me directions from queen street station??

From celtic fan to rangers fan....get a taxi

for the sake aof a tenner mate a taxi will take you more or less to the away end.

either that or you can come right out of queen st head to your left & walk or get a bus along to duke st bus would be quicker & ask to get of at near the louden then its right over the hill by the retail park

lenny

Just follow the party.

Head east and follow the smell, you cannae miss it mate, WATP

Follow the smell
GCUK

@3;the smell will be your club festering

Listen to no:3 it will take you right in amongst your own fans can't miss THAT smell.

Get a taxi if u dont know glasgow mate, if ur urself and wise dont wear colours until u have teamed up with a few bears
craig+babybear

To No 6.... Listen?? Na I just read it like most folk do on here! Are you hearing the voices that your manager does too.

24 Apr 2012 17:42:00
agree with a few posts today, but not signing players least of our worries , as long as we have Rangers with our history intact ile be happy.

hold onto likes of aluko, naismith, and give youth like mccabe a chance. Sfa an embarrassment anyway, do they get fined for not catching whyte for fit and proper person, he fooled nearly everybody at start.
blue bear

Naismith and aluko won't play in 3rd division.

I'll be extremely happy if we can keep Aluko and Naismith next season. Both of them along with the likes of McCabe, Little and Ness are a breath of fresh.

I've been hearing that Naismith will be ver reluctant to leave Rangers at any time, no matter what the situatin be. Hopefully it's true. The boy is pure Rangers!!

TTG

Aluko's contract is up at the end of the season how can you hold on to him if you cant sign new players/contracts {Ed001's Note - it is new players' registrations, not contracts. The players already registered to the club can sign new contracts still.}

@TTG; theres an agent hawking naisnith round middle EPL clubs looking for 40k p/w. shoot it down if you like but it is true.

So he'll stay on 75% of his wages?

24 Apr 2012 18:01:20
Just read Regans statement, SFA beginning to wobble methinks. Also hearing they are surprised at the fury and are concerned at proposed boycotts mentioned on the web surrounding sponsors. SPL hierachy also alarmed with regards impact on future sponsorship deals. What an awful mess, RFC certainly not blameless.

No wonder they are surprised,they have done Rangers a massive turn and you lot are 2 thick to realise it. You have no money so the signing ban is irrelevant any normal league you would have been demoted and you clowns are annoyed. What about the people you have stolen from have you no shame?

24 Apr 2012 17:35:48
Am I tripping or does the sfa not investigate potential owners to make sure they are fit and proper, did they forget to do this with Craig whyte, surely when dm voiced his concerns, or even before this when the old board voiced their concerns, the sfa must have realised they made a mistake, everyone with half a brain or at least a lawyer could and should have looked into this guys finances, we the fans have been lied to by every single person with anything to do with rangers, now when we are trying to start over and pay back money we never knew hadn't been paid, they decide to kick us in the teeth, why should any fan of rangers stand by these idiots, what do they actually get paid for

Well tbh the sfa should have done more but then again shouldnt have murray & more so the fans done more ?

murray - i will only sell the club to someone who can take the club forward ( pee pee ) he had 4 years notice on the HMRC case to basicly sell up & go before we make you the target man & strip you of the 'sir' in your name. 4 years no bidders & to be fair murray did cut the debt down(even tho there net debt was 83m at one stage) so it 'looks good' to any bidder & more so the fans. the old board bain etc all come out & said DO NOT SELL TO CRAIG WHYTE what did the fans do ? media that murray had in his pocket ? NOTHING.bang bang bang one by one the old board are away for bad mouthing him,bain etc all got bad mouthed for freezing money from rangers over whyte & still he was deemed the baddy. then it was were all craig whyte in whyte we trust etc etc by this point hes not paying NI & PAYE & at the same time hes got the fans in his pocket. then the bbc dig into whyte & then it goes on & on & on.....

so now the fans are cleaning up whytes mess when the old board warned you,you the FANS what craig whyte was like & as alex thomson said a 5 min google search on the name craig whyte it shows you his admin/liquidation history.but still no media coverage from the media (more so a certain paper ....) & after whyte now clearly saying yesterday/today good luck getting your money & i dont care etc its the fans it hurts the most so rather than being 4 months late & coming out with lets do this & that now its too late !

as a result we are now watching the scottish football as we know it die....so hopefully we will find out the outcome for hmrc before hmrc give us the result on the rangers saga.

ps remember it was hmrc that forced rangers into the corner of admin they tried to get there OWN people in but whyte filed for admin before they did & took on D&P (the same company that helped him with the 'takeover') so they can help him in his intrest rather than another company that would put the clubs intrest 1st.

you were warned & now its too late so lets watch what could be the last OF game for good.

lenny

Sfa do not do checks. member clubs are aware of the requirements and should look after themselves. murray must have known. makes you wonder what else he knew about whyte.

You are tripping

RANGERS should have carried out the checks- More passing of the the buck sonny

Mojo

1) You mention DM voiced his concens. He sold the club to Whyte so was it not down to him that Rangers are in this mess?

David Murray is getting off scot free why is that?

Obviously you guys don't read things before you reply I said everyone inside rangers knew what was going on, so did the sfa and apparently so did every Celtic fan, thing is you didn't, we didn't, it was stories from both sides, only now is the real truth coming out, so dont come on here acting all high and mighty blaming the fans for what's going on, we pay to watch football end of, if you have an axe to grind, get send the sfa an email they make the rules and are paid to listen, this is a rangers page, wtf are you doing here, mind you things do look better in blue

24 Apr 2012 16:46:58
I don't get all this Celtic fans will get fed up winning league by 30 points, were rangers not celebrating leagues in the 90s when we had no competition? What's the difference, I'm envy of Celtic and wish we never cheated to win leagues.

How the f did we cheat to win the leagues did we have 14 men on the park ,we won them by playing better football with better players ,if you say the ebt was the cause of it why did it take hmrc years to do something about it ,it s like blairs new law if you come out of the pub boisterous youl be marched to the nearest cashline to withdraw cash for your on the spot fine , next day tony blairs boy was found lying pissed in the gutter ,hmrc are a**holes ,i know cos ive been dealing with them for last 8 months reference debt enforcement office in edinburgh doug

Ur clearly not a gers fan!

Rangers always had competition in the 90s, Aberdeen took us to the last day in 91 teams like Moterwell and Celtic had good runs in other seasons as well, lets not forget here Rangers won a league title against a Celtic side that lost one game all season hardly dross.

But the landscape has changed since then, will Celtic fans really fork out £400-£500 per season every season to watch their side turn over Ross co and St mirren every other week, doubt it.

The Celtic sqaud next season would be cut down by about 50% and all players earning over 10k will be out the door,

Why on earth will Celtic spend millions on players when they can just sign the best of the rest from the spl and win the league by a mile?

Erm, rangers were making illegal payments to players, therefore invalidating their registrations. that's the charge.

The difference being in the big bad 90's there was still a Celtic team playing in the league. This time around there will be NO Rangers to put up a fight.Now how boring is that going to be hmmm?

@3. Thats exactly what Peter Lawwell will be thinking if Rangers go bust and leave the SPL. Celtic are in debt and will be looking to then offload some of the larger wage earning players to balance the books. If you can win the league paying a player 5 grand a week, why pay somebody 30 grand a week.

24 Apr 2012 16:34:39
hello fellow bears !:)

i'm sure not a lot will agree with me in fact probably only 2-3 people will lol but anyhow ,if rangers lose the appeal that's me done ! rangers supporter all my life through thick and thin but i have lost all faith in Scottish football and wont be watching it next season to see my team embarrassed in a one way league no thank you ! the SFA can suck me to be honest now u may call me everything "no a rangers fan or whatever but just how i feel , total let down , kick a man when hes down and bleeding !! but always WATP

.markky!x.watp

Post that then end with watp? what a fool...............green jhedi

Son, I`ve supported The Rangers for 40 years and even if they fielded a team of 1 legged Albanians, as long as they played for the jersey, I would be there.

Green jhedi not really what I meant by at was i was done with Scottish football my heart will always be with rangers always but just lost faith in it now , its just down the s**tter and ran by a**eholes

That's a great idea. one legged albanians should fit rangers budget next year.

Dont think you can even buy 1 Legged Albanians, no transfers

Vambo

@2; surely they would be hopping for the jersey?..........green jhedi

Only if there under 18 one legged albanians

24 Apr 2012 16:10:42
Is it not odd we prepared to protest against sfa,
Disrupt the people that will be relied on if newco happens,
Boycott away games
Withdraw players from scotland
Boycott scotland games
Whilst not a single show of displeasure or anger towards people who caused ALONE & KNOWINGLY,
Superb idea guys,
Forget sfa marches n march to ibrox for answers of people who broke the rules,

Bang on the money..........green jhedi

Aye and were has the supporters trusts been the last year?

24 Apr 2012 16:01:09
More trouble to come the blue knights is the registered trade mark of an international biker club with twenty thousand members. Murray is not so smart if he thinks he can do what he wants through money.

That's fewer than Rangers fans so who cares?

Seriously, Blue Knights isn't anything other than a kind of code word. No such company exists to my knowledge.

24 Apr 2012 15:56:32
Didn't a well known Swiss team sign players when there was a transfer embargo and tell their FA to do one or they would bankrupt them through European court of human rights to which they immediately backed down? {Ed001's Note - the team were then thrown out of European football, you might remember it because it was why Celtic were allowed in.}

Yes and subsequently got booted out of Europe and finally deducted 30 points. Jesus come on guys your an embarrassment

24 Apr 2012 15:27:19
Is the 12 month transfer ban a "special" sanction or would it have been applied eventually anyway as part of the whole "gone into admin" thing? I'm just surprised that, at the moment, there does not seem to be any mention of proportionality in the sanctions. Say a smaller club went into admin because of £1 mill would they receive the same 10pts off, 12 month no transfer etc? If that is the case then it pays to risk the whole shebang in a mad attempt to buy success and either benefit by things going your way or go bust for £100 mill and still face only the same retribution as the little fish that lost a mill due to some poor season results. If you gamble big time and lose big time shouldn't the punishment also be big time, much heavier than what the little fish gets, otherwise being extremely reckless gets only the same sanction as being unable to draw a crowd because your team is weak. Someone nicking a tenner from the till wouldn't get the same punishment as pinching the office safe, if they did then you might as well always take the safe just in case you get away with it!

It's not about going into admin!

Is administration, huge debts that could take years to pay off, or potential liquidation with further penalties not to mention the reputational damage to the brand, not a significant enough punishment. Or am I missing something!

How do you expect a company in administration to pay £160,000? They are in administration because they do no have any money! £100 million, only if they lose big tax case! I am a Kilmarnock fan and am ashamed to be Scottish. I will not be renewing my season ticket; will not watch any Scottish football on TV; will not attend any Scotland International games because on idiots like yourself and the SFA. Enjoy your crap football!

Ed - Are Rangers not already under a transfer embargo given that they are in administration?
Don74 {Ed001's Note - yes, they are.}

Kilmarnock fan my bahookie.

Get real if you cant pay 160000 and 800000 to hearts not even metioning the outstanding payment to Rapid ,can you tell me why should you be able to sign players. Any dignified team would have given the players back to the origional clubs but not Dignity FC

Dannybhoy

Fair enough dannybhoy, but how much do everton and liverpool owe rangers for jelavic and wilson, this is the way football transfers are structured fella, the gers are on an even keel in reality with transfers but sounds good to a fan of the great unwashed, jog on ya wee rocket!!!

24 Apr 2012 15:25:14
Protest the 28th of april 1:30pm queens park glasgow (victoria road entrance) protest stop the sfa Spread the word

SFA are closed on a Saturday!

Ed - please stop allowing these stupid posts about demo-ing at SFA / Queens Park on Saturday....the SFA do NOT work on Saturday

so instead they'll be disrupting families and tourists going about their own business visiting the "Hampden Experience" ...

The time to demo was February 14th when the BIGGER ISSUE first happened....a bit late now and aimed at the wrong, wrong doers!

SPM

Too late....you should have thought about that over a year ago...you were warned!

Choose the next Scotland game to demo against the SFA....NOT the Hearts v Hibs Cup Final...the next Scotland game....

Register the demo with Strathclyde Police...set it up properly...keep it organised and peaceful

I see no point in trying to demo at a full capacity Cup Final where there is risk of clashes with Hibs supporters plus the place will be crawling with Police anyway...

And for the upteenth time, do not demo this Saturday cause the SFA do NOT work on a Saturday

SPM

Thats it,stand in the car park of an empty building.Nice to see the fans groups are on top of the situation!...........green jhedi

24 Apr 2012 15:18:44
Trying to take something positive from the sanctions the SFA imposed last night.

My main concern is what happens if Craig Whyte does'nt pay is fine.

The good thing (to a point), is we start the season without a points deduction, so we're on a level playing regarding points.

We're at last starting to show some promising youth players this season. We're needing to be positive for these players coming through, give them the confidence for next season, cause a lot of responsibility will be put on their shoulders next season.

£160,000 fine, sent that to David Murray, after all it was his mess that got us into this, lets see if he really had Rangers at heart, why should he get away scot free.

Das Shadow

@Das shadow; If Whyte dont pay they will hit rangers with the bill...........green jhedi

24 Apr 2012 14:55:01
The SFA have more or less ruined next season aswell now because they are that thick, but i wouldent be concerned with this bears untill the appeal has happened, i am very confident this will be overturned...

The SFA have to much to lose by doing this, every punishment should be given to Mr Whyte, not the club the SFA have obviously thought, wait a minute here if we do this we can have a more competitive league, possibly force rangers to liqudate then we will let them back in with more sanctions and we will be able to change our voting structure'.

Whyte is the owner of the club, therefore representing the club, so the club is punished. It's really quite simple. If he hadn't done what he did, Rangers wouldn't be in this mess, but the club allowed him to and the fans didn't question him until it was too late - it was all a Celtic conspiracy, was it not?

No David Murray has ruided next year, we cheated so we get punished.

24 Apr 2012 14:46:58
I feel embarrassed about somethings I am reading on here. This ever rising talk of 'hey lets start a newco and be done with it'. In my view the 'fans' that think and say this are glory hunters. They want there quite fix and 2 fingers up to the rest of them and everyone that we owe money too. I cant even write down how angry I am at these type of people. Punishments maybe harsh or not, but we take them and accept them, not come up with ways to get back at people we feel have wronged us. How many people have we wronged lately?
Well if the terrible happens to this great club, then I will hang my head and remember everything this club gave me and I will tell my daughter when she is older of this great scottish club and what it meant to be a part of. I will not support a new rangers. I will go to my local team and follow them, as I still love football. If you choose to follow a team claiming to be the great glasgow rangers then so be it, but please stop with the pro newco talk its just disgraceful.

Don

I'll second that don .... on a slightly different note... Message to all "leaders" or "spokesman" for our so called "fan groups"... You're a bunch of f£cking clowns who wouldn't be able to find water in the middle of the pacific ocean... "let's have a protest" , aye , just a tad late ya bunch of bangers !
PaulRFC

Your post really is nonsense of were liquidated il go support another te now whos the glory hunter,oh and don't u think 10 points and the rangers brand now tarnished not punishment enough just u continue to sit back and post ur comments good to c u have a hands on approach to matters.

At last Paul we are on the same wave length m8..just posted at the top of page much the same....your spot on about your fans groups....On a lighter note,you say i post p!sh m8,..even you must be embarassed at the posts on here by so called gers fans....stevo

24 Apr 2012 14:32:17
the sfa sanctions are fine and just...its just the timing is all...and you cant ask a player not to play for his country thats plain stupid.....lets get a cva and move on to bigger and better things....11 18 year olds will do me and we will win a heck of a lot of games....deecee

No legal obligation to play for them if they so wish just as we have no legal obligation to support them or their corrupt and incompetent organisation

24 Apr 2012 14:29:58
rangers fans planning mass protests and boycotts against the sfa. this should once and all put to bed the paranoia amongst the green half who think the sfa are pro rangers and anti celtic. wouldn't hold my breath though!

Should protest at the Olympic games that would give world wide exposure

This isn't an anti-Rangers move by the SFA - it's a punishment they deem sufficient for the wrong-doing carried out by and on behalf of the club. By saying it is, you're making yourself out to be as paranoid as the Celtic fans you refer to.

1903

Olympic games ? mad.

24 Apr 2012 14:18:34
Could guy's explain to me why they think that the punishment dished out to rangers is too harsh? Rangers this season have broke the rules, the have brought in players who they arnt going to pay for ie bocanegra, goian,badoya,*wallace. This has given them an unfair advantage over other teams and made scottish football even more of a laughing stock. So as Ally said the other day rangers can't expect no punishment what would be a fit and proper punishment that rangers fans would be happy with?

That's right. Effectively fielding a team that was obtained fraudulently deserves punishment. I think Rangers fans can see that but it's then a case of how severe should the punishment be?

The same punishment dished out to Motherwell, Gretna, etc! Rangers fans are not against being penalised, what we are against is an overwhelming move by Scottish Football to change the rules and punishments now it is Rangers in the wrong. Romanov at Hearts for example has broken the rules on numerous occassions and sanctions have been applied, but were they as severe on the club as this and how many times has he broken the rules? Motherwell and Gretna did not settle debts with other clubs and their own players, and were sanctions put down as significant as this .... no. I do think Rangers should be punished, but are they not already being punished on the verge of liquidation and with the Fans Favourite the Blue Knights wanting to pay back a large chunk of the debt (Ticketus and HMRC) over a long period of time. However, these moves by the SFA and SPL will have only one result Liquidation, and this will result in many people not getting paid. If this is the result, I feel as a Rangers fan we should take our punishment, start again in the 3rd Division with a young team and work our way up. It would ensure that the SPL is allowed to flourish in our absence, and rather than Rangers being uncompetitive because of point and financial deductions; they should grow from the roots up. {Ed001's Note - could the fighting fund not pay the fine?}

24 Apr 2012 14:06:08
Hi Fellow Bears - This is fact :

Craig Whyte has stated that he has no intention of paying the fine levied on him by the SFA. if he does as he says,and let's remember who we are talking about here,what would the SFA do next?
Fact : If he doesn't pay it they will go after Rangers for any monies due ! More debt and embarassment from CW on us.

Why would they go after Rangers for his personnal fine ?

Not sure they can go after Rangers unless the fine was against Rangers in the first place. Sounds like CW will wriggle his way out of this one.

As far as i know he'll be the first not to pay. there will be a rule there which will kick rangers in the teeth.

24 Apr 2012 13:56:12
Time to pack our bags and head for SFL3.

Let sky cancel the unsigned £80m T.V. contract and let a league that has no main sponser for next season see how it gets on without Rangers. The T.V. deal is 40% of income for clubs outside the old firm lets see what kind of shape the spl will be in next season without that money.

The spl would have zero competitiveness and bore everyone to death in the space of 3 months.

Celtic will also be playing in front of 10,000 fans in 18 months time without Rangers as lack of any real test will bore thier fans to tears.

Celtic at the minute are 31 points ahead of Motherwell & 34 ahead of Dundee utd their nearest challengers taking Rangers out of the picture, yeah what a great league that would be to watch next season.


Be careful what you wish for spl you may get it.

Think they've got what they wanted - & still they will turn the knife again at the next meeting
you couldn't make it up

bill72

Well said and just watch them all fall away , they cant survive without playing the old firm x 4 a season and receiving Sky money . The standard of football will get worse , more clubs to the wall .

What a tired old post,why dont you give this nonsense up? So arrogant and selfish it almost beggars belief.............green jhedi

Has anyone from Rangers even spoken to the SFL about this? Might not be an option.

(Seriously - do you really want to play East Stirling, Montrose and Annan Athletic next year?)

Some of them don't play the Old Firm 4 times a season! Most clubs would need 300-500 extra fans for every other game to make up the money lost by not having Rangers coming to play. This is not unachievable, especially if the competition for top 6 and Europe is improved (if the league stays as it is).

Its not arrogant ,its fact

Why not the spls a pile crock,poor hubs side,Dunfermline,st mitten,need I go on no disrespect to these teams or fans but doesn't set the Heather on fire these games and were being shafted anyway so why not.

RE:green jhedi

You and your fellow Celts really underestimate just how bad things are bad things are financially in the spl right now.

Hearts, Kilmarnock and Dundee utd are very near to going under thats a fact. With Rangers out of the league the banks will call in all debts and put them under wait and see.

24 Apr 2012 13:49:48
We should protest at the Scottish Cup Final meet at George Sq and walk out to Hampden, we should also lobby SFA why these actions weren't taken against Gretna, Dundee, Livingstone or Motherwell and also push for charges of bringing game into disrepute against Lennon, everytime he opens his mouth it happens.
SFA have got this wrong big time, why are these decisions being made when D&P are trying to find buyer? Would like to know who took part in this decision - surely anyone connected with an SPL club should not have been involved - conflict of interests

Because they want to hurt us as much as possible ,along with the other clubs that have gladly taken the money over the years that WE pay to go to their grounds to watch our team play.
The SFA have waited for this for years and remember Lawell is involved with the SFA and do you think Ogilive wanted to leave Ibrox years ago ???
The problem with Scottish football is too many wee diddies in charge of clubs and the old pals acts.

Remember and get permission or there will be arrests.......green jhedi

Gretna went out of business. Otherwise a Gretna newco would have run into the same problems.

What's this got to do with Lennon? Anyway Dundee got a 25 point penalty and weren't even in the SPL. Cost them promotion too.

Gretna, Livingston etc. were punished but for different offences. If Rangers had paid the bills to all who were owed money, this wouldn't have happened. Stop being daft.

24 Apr 2012 13:37:22
One last thing before I do a stevo and drink myself to oblivion, I would happy spend a fortune following the youngest , weakest rangers team in history, struggling for top six ? Not a problem , I'll still be there in the freezing winter spending money I can't really afford. What I WON'T do though is spend mine an my family's money following a newco who have screwed everyone from the wee corner shop to the queen herself, for some reason that just would not be right :-(
Paul(starting on her wine first)RFC

Take it easy mate,You and fans with that attitude can hold your head high.....green jhedi

Well said Paul, that wine was asking for it

The liver is evil and must be punished,

24 Apr 2012 13:11:14
Like any Rangers fan I would like to see us pay our debts no matter how long it takes, and build a young team.
However, given that it looks like we will be pushed down the liquidation path by our supportive fellow Scottish footballing body.
Given that our liquidation would likely mean other SPL clubs going to the wall, could we not just buy their club, buy Ibrox and put through a name change for that club. This way we remove the shackles that are being put round the club.!

Whatever happened to building the young team etc?.........green jhedi

Think the bad boys already tried that one with st mirren didn't they?

bill72

24 Apr 2012 12:53:07
could have banned us from scottish cup also if newco is formed we are off scot free

We should pull out of league cup and Scottish cup

So that's OK then? All that matters is Rangers surviving, f*ck everyone else who's owed money or has been wronged in any way?

The ban will carry over to a newco taking Rangers place in the Scottish League (SPL or 3rd Division). If the PFA are correct the players contracts are null-invoid, so we will have no players and can only sign under 18's?
However, we could by another SPL side and re-locate / re-name !

2.) keep your comments for your own rumours page!

closing down rangers isn't going to put anything right - the only way any sort of amends can be made is to let the club stabilise and grow

bill72

Bill72: what's wrong with the comments @2 and why shouldn't they be made here? I don't see Ed in front of your name.

24 Apr 2012 12:41:19
Sally & hahaferty fall out convo
Sally,ineed you for tynecastle as they beat champions am really worried,
Hahaferty,canny sally iv a huge hernia,
Sally lost plot saying he had played with to bigger lumps in his moobs than your hernia,

What is that supposed to say?

24 Apr 2012 12:11:59
I can understand RST frustrations but we need to be realistic, even AM recognises the club had to punishments faced by the club.
As for the sanctions proposed it would seem we are a bit far away from having our players
representing the National Side in the Why would we want to spoil the party for the Edinburgh teams in my opinion this would be counter-productive giving a message that we are self indulgent.
Maybe its time to reflect on us being seen to take a punishment and react with a dignified sense of sense of responsibility for the actions of our Clubs Boards

I dont think the punishment is the issue. It is the timing of the punishment. At this perilous time for our club I see no benefit to anyone imposing these punishments/sanctions now. They could have waited to see if we can sort our s**t out first. This potentially can be an unneccessary deal buster.

Well said.

@1;How could they wait? They have to behave properly through all this.........green jhedi

Green jhedi...... the same way the English FA are waiting to deal with the Terry/Ferdinand race row until after the Euro's. If found guilty he will still be punished before the new season starts.

@4;Totally different scenario.Thats to keep unity in a squad heading to a tournament.The SFA are a governing body who cant be seen to favour rangers........green jhedi

24 Apr 2012 12:02:28
I cannot believe the false indignation
Rangers fans are claiming. You got off
very lightly by SFA as usual. You should
have at least been also banned from
Scottish cup for not paying Dundee Utd
What did you get? Transfer embargo
well you were unlikely to have much cash
to buy players anyway. a wee fine and
12 months to pay.. ye gods ...
Also msm trying to lay all blame at
whyte's door.. well Murray and all your
other directors are more guilty, here is
why...
Rangers tax case says that a total
of 65 players (yes 65 Rangers players)
were on EBT's not one or two..
In 2005 the ENTIRE Rangers team that
won the league were on EBT's
(Mr Ogilvie you were at Ibrox then, care
to comment?)
Your team has cheated for years on
Tax, Vat, NI, PAYE etc.. stop bleating
and take your watered down medicine
bears, in any other country the
football authorities would have closed
you down years ago... Timalloy

Timalloy can you honestly say you have never remember never been paid cash in your hand for any work you have done ,you and thousands of other , you are the first people to complain when more tax is added onto petrol fags and drink ,you know the government screw the working people every chance they get but just accept it doug

OP
nothing bitter there then?

bill72

24 Apr 2012 11:56:04
Will Ng be interested in rebidding now RFC playing juinior football next season?

24 Apr 2012 11:49:56
It breaks me to say this , but we are f£cked lads, there is no saving RFC, to many people with ulterior motives want us buried an there's jack p!sh we can do about it, from all our avenues of income been systematically shut down, to shyte an his refusal to pay anything or anyone, then there's the dick Murray who's barely getting a bad word wrote in rags about himself,with his contacts etc, he knew NOTHING of Craig whytes M-O, please ,ENOUGH of the sh!t talk., an judging by mccoists comments in Sunday's paper he knew this transfer ban was coming. Fair play to the fans who are able to follow a newco just like that, really don't think I will be able to do the same, and I will be interested to see how Murray and the rest think they can carry on living an breathing when the inevitable happens.
Paul(distraught)RFC

I'd love to say keep believin' PaulRFC, but I'm almost 100% in agreement with you

Think i'll take up bowls!

bill72

Totally agree Paul,we are being treated like MUSHROOMS! We as the fans are the ones that need the truth. SDM you alone have ruined our club.BLUNTRU72 LLRFC

Paul i,ll be honest here that i think they,ll take away our licence and there wont be any club at all and we will need to re apply to the league its that bad and this is how its been managed this way....yes managed
my hope is that the rangers fans are seen and must be seen in driving murray out of the country
myself paul i,ve said to you before i,ll see you and get a pint with you in elgin berwick stenhousemuir or anywhere else
christ there,s people coming all over ulster and england to see rangers games,the least we can do is go to cowdenbeath,methill or east stirling
why....for our kids for your kids if you have any....i wont be bossed around by these people.....no defeatist talk paul gather up your anger and apply it and move on.....watp.....les

24 Apr 2012 11:41:16
Why should the present players be made to suffer for something that they had nothing to do with,by all means fine and ban the guilty parties but why should the fans suffer as they have paid good money to not just Rangers but at least 60% of the clubs in Scotland to watch their games,I think we the fans will stand by the club at home games but I for one will NEVER go to an away match in Scotland ever again,once again I think the true fans are the ones who are suffering most with this punishment,it might take a few years but WE WILL RETURN EVEN STRONGER and we will NEVER forgive the SFA for giving us sfa in support also the SPL

You might find out that other fans will NEVER visit you cheating b******s again at Ibrox!

What did the governing body of the game do to you? NOTHING.They governed the game and punished rule breakers.What did you expect?.........green jhedi

1.) suits us
if you give the Club a chance we'll fill the place ourselves - -we do most weeks anyway

bill72

2.)
punished - not a problem
fairly - would argue that strongly
disrepute - - don't think you really need to look to far from your front door GJ

bill72

@4; Jeeze bill.have a day off from Lennon! The officials stories conflicted,and he was punished(two games)You do realise you could have been thrown out of the cup next year?..........green jhedi

24 Apr 2012 11:35:10
Transfer embargo will be dropped as soon as Craig Whyte has departed the scene

Course it will
*********

bill72

24 Apr 2012 11:31:23
how do we get a protest off to UEFA to investigate whether the SFA are fit and proper people to be running a National football organization? Surely the SFA has a duty of care to its member clubs and broken their own rules by not investigating whether C.Whyte was a fit and proper person to run a football club, they are the policing authority so it was their responsibility. On other matters the club returned accounts which should up the EBT payments if there was any doubt about these SFA have to be again found guilty of a dereliction of duty to their member clubs at the very least with a very strong case for collusion that they did so knowingly to boost the coefficient and other clubs could benefit to the tune of millions of pounds. Illegally competing in competitions on the back of a falsely gained coefficient.This will also bring in FIFA who will of course take action against the Incompetent in my opinion SFA for fielding in-eligible players who were not properly registered for the National team.

CAN OF WORMS WELLAND TRULY OPENED

Ok, i believe we have more to lose by bringing in outside bodies.
I think in the past the sfa have been leniant towards us. We cant afford players t the moment so its not all bad, it just looks like the sfa are being bad..... they havent imposed anything other than what we knew!

When we NEWco we will be able to sign players for the new rangers!

BluePeter

This is without a doubt the most delusional post i have ever seen.Rangers(murray)did not conduct a proper due diligence on whyte(or did not care and was desperate to sell) so it was rangers responsibility.Your EBT theory is flawed as the whole case hinges on "secret" second contracts,how would the SFA know about them?You should be worried about ogilvie who seems to right in the middle of this with rangers and the SFA............green jhedi

24 Apr 2012 11:27:26
hi im not a rangers fan but i hope you guys get things soted out . but one thing i would like to say is that would liqiudation not be the best thing so that u guys can start again debt free rather than try and keep the current rangers going with all this debt.

24 Apr 2012 11:17:10
Do we believe, in our heart of hearts, that it's all over? And do we really, really care? How do we explain the malaise over our plight where every road now seems to lead to liquidation? Are we tired of season after season which is basically trundling through games punctuated by brief adrenalin surges of Old Firm games? Do we feel like we have better things to spend our money on, more valuable ways to spend our time? Have we already moved on from 140 years of history, already started healing and looking ahead to a brave new future of more sedate Saturdays and Sundays, a longer life free of the stress of either praying for the final whistle or that extra few minutes of injury time to pull back an equaliser or get a winner?

Are we just so weary of the whole debacle – which has been hanging over us for years now – that a newco in the 3rd Division would actually be quite exciting? A new challenge, developing youth, no longer propping up Scottish football at the ‘top’ level, relishing the Schadenfreude of our friends across the city and the whole country as they fail to anticipate their own diminishing status as the calibre of players willing to consign themselves to a league without the lure of the Old Firm games falls steadily over the years?

Now’s the time Bears... it’s newco or nothing almost certainly and we need to demonstrate some intent either way for our sakes and the sake of our new owner[s] if any...

Dear me,so sure the world will end because of your club.It wont...........green jhedi

24 Apr 2012 11:08:50
Craig Whyte has a total cheek with his so-called demands, representative on the board and directors box seats for life?

We don't want him anywhere near Ibrox anytime in the future and especially nothing to do with any new board. He has ripped our club apart, stolen from the club and the fans yet still he believes he has done nothing wrong.

Absolute t**t, good riddence to him.

Wullie

24 Apr 2012 11:00:50
Is it just me or does the rangers fans threats of boycotting SPL sponsors seem futile and misguided?Since the news broke,late last night,of the transfer ban much wailing and gnashing of teeth has been heard from many.There is no doubt that Craig Whyte has been nothing short of a disaster for rangers,check out his response to the sanctions,but if you break the rules there has to be punishment.Of course the fans had nothing to do with this,but the custodians of the club did.Two men,decades apart,have caused this.Firstly the fiver for a tenner man himself,david murray.Secondly,the man who came with a plan,probably liquidation,Craig Whyte.Both have been complicit in rangers woes,murray starting the process and Whyte looking to have ended it.Almost predictably the Daily Record has lined up squarely in the murray camp,Jim Traynor is of course a good friend of his.But to mention murray only very briefly in his piece today,is wrong.He also seems to think that scottish football has "abused and abandoned" rangers.That glee amongst other clubs fans is acceptable,but that glee in the boardrooms is wrong.Why Jim? When rangers started the whole EBT fiasco they started a chain reaction in Scotland.A chain of debt,a chain of foreign imports and a chain of clubs getting into debt which even today is still a millstone round their collective necks.During murray's reckless years how many teams were cheated out of trophies,euro places and hard cash by a team who were playing players that they could not afford? When murray first put rangers up for sale he was hardly swamped with offers.For four years he saw this coming and,in his desperation to sell,took a POUND(little clue their gers fans) for a club that was carrying an unsustainable level of debt. You have to feel for the decent rangers fans in this,but my god they have enough fan groups didnt any of them smell a rat? The rangers tax case blog has been pointing out possible problems for nearly EIGHTEEN MONTHS as has Phil Mac,but that was timmy just being jealous or stirring it.Much better to believe Traynor,Jackson et al with the Billionaire taking over nonsense.Now Traynor says the rangers fans wont forget this and nor should they.Well Jim do you think the Scottish Press might have a part top play in this? Sloppy,tired reporting with PR people slipping press releases into bad reporters hands to be printed as exclusives.Why didnt the fans groups do some research? Why cheer Whyte into ibrox as a hero? Because Keith Jackson said so! So if you want to protest,start at the Record offices,they are as guilty as most in this.......

Love to know who posted this.I wrote and posted it this morning on the Celtic site!......green jhedi

24 Apr 2012 10:54:07
Rangers supporters trust urging players not to play for Scotland, where have these guys been the last year when the fans really needed them? I've seen Gordon smith more, play for Scotland don't ruin your careers guys.

That just shows the RST up for the chumps they are.

24 Apr 2012 10:48:09
If Rangers are liquidated, they�re players contracts transfer to the SFA.
�
With the ruling last night (no signings for 12 months). This means that if a newco rises, and want to be reinstated to the SPL, as they would need to have players to make up a team. They can only �buy� players who are 18 years old or younger!!
�
The only way �Rangers� can avoid this sanction affecting them is to disappear completely. Then a new football team may be formed (with no history) start at the bottom, then they can sign whoever they want!

Wrong...transfer embargo will follow you to a Newco.

A newco cant sign new players either.

24 Apr 2012 10:30:54
I cant believe the leader of the rangers supporters the bald guy who is always on the telly the noo is saying that the sfa are biased ffs although they are the maximum fines if ye go bust ye wont pay them anyway as for the transfers thats getting off lightly ye could huv been chucked oot

24 Apr 2012 10:29:49
Once again the time for honesty is upon us. Every time I read the paper or turn on the TV someone is on complaining that Rangers are being punished for the actions of Craig Whyte. Craig Whyte is the majority shareholder at Ibrox he owns 85% of the shares, for all intents and purposes he is Rangers. His actions are the actions of the owner of the club, we cannot separate the two. If our players misbehave on the park like last year in the Scottish cup, we as a club will be punished. The same rules apply to the owners and the board. Whyte, when running our club stole money from absolutely everybody (If you obtain goods and services that you do not intend to pay for it is theft).

As for the Blue Knights do they actually have any money?

Bill Miller is sounding the most untrustworthy of all of them. He is described as a �Turnaround Specialist� who saves ailing companies and takes them back into profit. Craig Whyte was also described as a Turnaround specialist when he arrived last year. As anyone in business will tell you Turnaround Specialist is a euphemism for ASSET STRIPPER.

The time has come to accept liquidation, start afresh and have the club owned by the fans. If we are going to protest about anything it should be to demand to know why Craig Whyte has not been charged with fraud (both personal and corporate)

This whole sorry mess should act as a warning to all football clubs, both in terms of living within your means and what to do if you are not doing so. Administration is a complicated business best handled by experts. However football is not a normal business. When Woolworths went bust people shopped elsewhere it�s not the same when clubs go bust. The customers are also fans who will go to great lengths for their team, and who don�t understand why anyone else involved with the club will not do the same. The point I�m making is that a football club need administrators who understand football I do not believe that Duff & Phelps have that understanding!

That being said I think it�s not wise to change horses mid-stream. Apart from anything else I don�t think we could afford to. New administrators would need time for their own period of due diligence which would delay things even more!

Very sensible

24 Apr 2012 10:27:39
the sfa throw the book at rangers because of whyte duping them, but when they get duped[march 29th , whytes lawyers ask for more time to prepare a case they were never going to,april 6th,non appearence] off him who throws the book at them

24 Apr 2012 10:24:48
cant believe the way this is going ,
i dont blame anybody apart from
sdm and whyte for this wtf is
happening here, also admins i dont
understand why people blame them
when obviously there are no alternatives
. i hate this pi5h about not going
to away grounds etc why im a
rangers fan its not my fault this
has happened ive paid anything
that came my way p.s i also
dont blame spl/sfa what are they
supposed to do we cant be above
the rules...... also ally why play an injured player
come on to feck now its turning into
an absolute fairytale with a shocking ending
...
always am will be be blue
a very pi55ed off
craig+babybear

24 Apr 2012 10:45:15
given that the club (not the support) are we are now 'guilty' of bringing the scottish game into direpute (u havina laugh?)
will these fines be used to pay of the creditors, especially the other clubs

bill72

Are you having a laugh . SFA are Fining Rangers . Therefore ALL money owed to other clubs will still be owed by Rangers to the other clubs .Why would the SFA fine a team then pay outstanding bill with them??? Get Real numpty.

NO.Why should the SFA pay your creditors?.......green jhedi

24 Apr 2012 10:40:08
I would just like to thank the SFA for their efforts in pushing Rangers towards extinction

Hopefully all Celtic fans who were foolish enough to beleive that the SFA were in Rangers pockets will reassess that opinion after the SFA's farcical punishments handed out to Rangers

Its now obvious that the only way forward for Rangers is to stick two fingers up at the SFA and leave Scotland to start afresh as the SFA are hell bent on making sure Scottish football dies

So they shouldn't have handed out any punishment?

Trains, planes and automobiles...just make sure you lot don't stop off in Manchester; they're still trying to put parts of it back together. Head further South where wee Craigy has a club down...where you could get straight into 19th level of English Football.

Rangers are the only ones guilty of anything....tax avoidance/evasion,2nd player contracts,ebts,unaudited accounts,a string of unpaid creditors,unpaid national insurance,unfit owner etc....rangers past dealings have finally caught up with them

24 Apr 2012 09:21:57
Loads of Celtic fans on the page i see.
Anyway my.main point is rangers should move down to England now. Sfa clearly don't care i hope miller moves us into English 2nd division. Give us 4 years we will be up there with man u and the other big boys of Europe whilst Celtic Will playing dunfermiline in front of 6000. Regan well and the press can have Scottish football time to move on.

U cant ply in another country, how many times to u need to be told?

What did you want the SFA to do? Turn a blind eye?

Joeshmo1888

What planet are you on. No chance. Nada no way hosey. And that was before you wrecked Madchester.

Dear God.How deluded must you be to post that? Not even the good grace to start in the conference but the second div!Get it straight,Why would England want you Even if UEFA allowed it?............green jhedi

Wouldn't be League 2 anyway. Conference North 4th or something like that probably - work from the bottom up which should take about 10 years at least. Good luck trying.

Look u nugget they dont want you they dont want any scottish team told that a million times f*** sake

24 Apr 2012 09:12:57
can never take away the memories WE HAD THE WORLDS BIGGEST FOOTBALL PARTY 240000 singing and dancing on what was a great occasion (apart form handful of idiots) Everybody came back with at least ONE good memory and a smile on their face

Handfull?? You must have big hands!!

Joeshmo1888

Great stuff.where are they all now you need cash? Ten quid a head is a lot of money........green jhedi

1 pound a head and they will be able to pay the fine from the sfa and have change to pay others davie c

24 Apr 2012 09:07:33
ed whats ur take on all this transfer embargo m8? theres alot of panic here and understanably so, but i personally cant see it affecting us any harder than with no embargo, lets face it there was never gonna be a "warchest" for nxt season was there? it means we must use our youth players now, theres no other option, but they will play with more heart than weve seen from alot of first team! {Ed001's Note - I just don't see any issue with it, the club has no money anyway, it just means that the manager can now get that us against them attitude into the players. If anything that should enable them to get results out of proportion to their ability. Also means every youngster in the country will see Rangers as the team to join to give themselves the best chance of a first team future.}

24 Apr 2012 10:09:41
Lets get one thing clear. Rangers going down the tubes is not the fault of anyone except the people who have been running the club into the ground for the past 20 odd years IE SDM and la
tterly CW. Rangers deserve the punnishments handed down from the SFA ( and more will be comming next week from SPL ) If punnishments were not seen to be appropriate , you could shut down Scottish football . The SFA and SPL MUST mammer rangers for the good of the game as a whole . Of course everybody will suffer to a lesser degree But people will just have to get on with it .

24 Apr 2012 10:07:30
Ed - your thoughts please on the new take on succulent lamb bombshell from CW - "Whyte said: "It's a joke, a complete joke. They've never spoken to me.

"Stewart Regan (chief executive) and Campbell Ogilvie (president) had dinner with me in November they told me it wouldn't be a problem.

Any one any idea why the CEO of the SFA and former Rangers Director and EBT benificiery Campbell Ogilvie and now President of the SFA; would be meeting with CW. Sounds very odd and not what you would expect from the chief custodians of our National game. {Ed001's Note - it is perfectly reasonable for them to meet on a personal level.}

How do you not know Mr tight is talking bulls**t about meeting these 2 guys? Everything else he has said hasn't been truthful.

24 Apr 2012 09:56:42
Rule 66 - bringing the game into disrepute by any plater, official, member of a club - given Lemmons recent rants & actions SFA have to impose similar embargo on Celtic - otherwise double standards {Ed001's Note - hardly the same, if you can't see that I fear for your mental health!}

OMG! What is it with Lennon and some of you people.It's unhealthy.worry about your own problems.........green jhedi

24 Apr 2012 09:48:47
Does anyone know if a 'newco' is formed does the transfer ban still stand, or would it be scrapped as it would technically be a new rangers?
Big C

24 Apr 2012 09:34:09
How can any Co especially in these austere times forego 17 million and only accept 10 million interest free over 9 years what is really in it for them

Ibrox as a development site. dont believe all th crap about it only being worht money as a stadium. St Mirren sold Love Stree for £10 million so what do you think Ibrox and Murry Park are really worth?

24 Apr 2012 08:56:58
THE SFA smashed Rangers with a hammer blow last night by banning the club from signing any new players for ONE YEAR.

And it was feared that the severe sanctions � and a £160,000 fine � could be the final nails in the coffin for the Ibrox club.

In a dramatic late-night bombshell, shamed owner Craig Whyte was also hit with a £200,000 fine and banned from working with any Scots club FOR LIFE.

The swingeing punishments for breaching SFA rules came just hours after financial experts warned fans their club were only days away from liquidation.

Last night, fears were growing that the new penalties could finally scare off the remaining two bidders for the club.

The sanctions made a mockery of outrageous demands made by Whyte just hours earlier.

He had insisted he keep a 20 per cent stake in the club, be given two directors� box seats for life and could appoint two people to the new board.

But last night he hit back: �I couldn�t care less. It makes no difference to my life whatsoever � and good luck collecting the money.

�It�s a joke. It is very harsh on Rangers. I am surprised at how harsh the SFA have been on a club which is going through tough times.

�Stewart Regan (chief executive) and Campbell Ogilvie (president) should resign and get out of Scottish
football.

�The SFA want to kick Rangers when they are down. They are playing to the media.�

Yesterday, administrators Duff & Phelps, who have been running the Scottish Premier League club since February 14, believed they were close to sealing a survival deal with one of the club�s potential bidders.

But a statement last night from administrator Paul Clark said: �All of us working on behalf of the club are utterly shocked and dismayed by the draconian sanctions imposed on Rangers.

�It appears that, on one hand, the disciplinary panel accepted our central argument that responsibility for bringing the club into disrepute lay with the actions of one individual � Craig Whyte � as is evident from the unprecedented punishment meted out to him.

�During this hearing, the club produced compelling evidence from a number of sources that, following his takeover, Craig Whyte ran the club in a thoroughly unaccountable manner, rather than adhering to a long-established and proper form of corporate governance.

�Given this evidence, it is difficult to comprehend that the disciplinary panel has seen fit to effectively punish the club even more heavily than Mr Whyte.

�Any further punishment on him will have little or no impact.

�However, for Rangers, a ban on signing players will seriously undermine the club�s efforts to rebuild after being rendered insolvent.

�Furthermore, we do not know how bidders for the club will react to these sanctions and what effect they will have on their proposals.�

Clark said the club intended to appeal against the sanctions.

The remaining two bidders for the club � Paul Murray and his Blue Knights consortium and American Bill Miller � were shocked at the sanctions.

If they walk away from the negotiating table, liquidation would become inevitable. Rangers� fans will be incensed that the game�s governing body have decided to make the club pay for Whyte�s chicanery.

He refused to attend the SFA independent inquiry, chaired by Lord William Nimmo Smith, into his and the club�s business activities, claiming the process was �farcical�.

The most damaging penalty for Rangers is the ban on signing new players.

The club are likely to lose a raft of players, who in return for accepting swingeing wage cuts to keep the club going had clauses inserted into their contracts allowing them to leave on the cheap at the end of the season.

The sanctions mean manager Ally McCoist won�t be able to replace any of the players.

Rangers faced five offences, including failing to abide by SFA regulations over the �fit and proper� person�s test.

Whyte was ruled unfit by the SFA to be a club official.

Last night, SFA chief executive Stewart Regan told the Record that the governing body had no control or influence over the hearing�s process or verdict.

He said: �This was an independent process and there was no indication from the panel until their decision was made last night.�

Regan added that a special body will be set up to hear Rangers� appeal.

The club are bracing themselves for further, possibly severe sanctions when the SPL meet next Monday.

The hammer blow came after a financial expert warned that Rangers had just two days left to save their future. Top accountant Neil Patey said that time to set up the preferred option to keep the club solvent � a Company Voluntary Agreement � is fast running out.

Any CVA requires at least five weeks to run its course.

But if Rangers� ownership and a creditors� deal are not resolved by June 1, the club will once again be facing losses of up to £1million a month when the deal by players to accept a temporary 75 per cent pay cut runs out.

Add to that the administrators� fees � which by yesterday had reached more than £1.6million � and the financial picture grows ever bleaker.

Patey, of Ernst and Young, said failure to strike a deal by Thursday could lead to:

●�Non-liquidation� buyers walking away because of the extra debts.

● Top stars being axed if they insist on wages being hiked back to previous levels.

● Four months of further administration.

● Millions more in fees to administrators.

Patey also warned of the difficulty Whyte could pose if he decides not to hand over his shareholding without a fight.

Patey warned: �I think it�s days and not weeks, as the June 1 deadline is quite important.

�The club will then be in the close season and there will be little income coming in. And, importantly, the players� wages, which were at a reduced level, will defer back to full wages.

�That takes them back close to the £10million per annum operating loss that was stated when they went into administration.

Rangers fans� spokesman John Macmillan said most fans were frustrated at the way the sale was being drawn out.

He said: �If the red tape means that June will bring further debt issues then I suggest that everyone involved gets the finger out.�

24 Apr 2012 08:25:04
So CW is the bad guy then. He has already said they can sing for their their money. What about SDM, ed. Good old DR managed to keep his name low profile through all of this yet he is the main reason Rangers are in this position. CW just finished the job off. {Ed001's Note - as far as I am concerned, and I have said this all along, Murray is the one at fault for all of this. His mess was so bad that no one could fix it without major investment.}

Ed Rangers surely deserve the harshest sanctions no club should be allowed to get away with this kind of reckless behaviour. The most accurate desccription is "financial doping" I believe the club should lose titles and cups won during this time span.

However what is more important than all that is HMRC must get every penny owed, Tax evation on this scale is sickening and HMRC should not accept any token gestures.

The worrying thing is how big institutions can get away with this kind of thing for so long.

Tax payer

24 Apr 2012 08:16:53
So cwhyte is guilty of not paying teams money owed for players, and rangers get hit with a 12 month transfer imbargo, guess what? its us the fans that have been penalised again again and again, be in no doubt that regan, lawell, thompson, petrie and riley are behind this move, we should liquidate now and apply to join the 3rd tier next season, let the rest rot in their cabal ridden league with no sky and no rangers support drip feeding them, we will pass them on the way back up!! there will always be a rangers!!!

Is this post serious! Rangers run up huge debts, dont pay TAX an NI Contributions, put hundreds of jobs at risk with small companies who they owe money to, and guess what its all someone elses fault!

Do you really think you can steal up to £140 million and walk away scott free!

Get a grip!

Rangers till July(or Maybe June)

What a stupid post.........green jhedi

24 Apr 2012 07:55:58
yet again, bemused by the actions of the sfa. craig whyte has to be treated as a sngle entity now by sfa, not as owner of gers, his actions are by him ,not club , and should now be treated as such. is it because they cant or wont deal with him, as its easier to take actions against club ?? silence is deafening from certain areas within scottish society, politicians, press, law. action has now got to be taken at a higher level against this individual, or all scottish clubs will be left open to the abuse of rogue individuals/ concortums. who will use the cw blue print as a way of making quick money, without being answerable to anybody, as its plain to see the sfa will blame the club 1st, not an individual even if he isnt the clubs choice but been burdened by him/ them !!

Within the confines of football rangers are Craig Whyte and vice versa.The SFA had to apply sanctions to rangers and Whyte........green jhedi

Didn't the club welcome him with open arms?

Stop blaming evryone else. Yous are always on about the Rangers Family well most families I know, including my own are responsible for the action within that family. Sorry mate but this "we're the victims" is running very thin, unlike Sally. The fact is the fans let all this happen; believing every bit of propoganda that came out from the Sir Minty PR factory, passed on by the sycophantic and lazy Scottish Press and gulped down by your many and varied Supporters Trusts; who can't even agree a line of defence. Nope, this is also down to you and the SFA have acted in accordance with the rules of the Assocation, which for 140 years you lot have dominated. More action needs to be taken against the men who have ruined your Club and have brought disrepute to our game in Scotland. First thing to do is take reseponsibility for the systematic abuse of power and finances that have got you to where you are today; it's not CFC, Dundee Utd or any other supporters fault...it lies with the Rangers Family.

24 Apr 2012 07:32:21
Is the headline news from yesterday not simply that the newco route is now a complete nonstarter if you can't sign anyone for a year? I think this sanction is designed to make life easier for everyone else, particularly on the spl board (comprised of the rangers hate dreamteam of: hibs, tims, utd, sheep in the green corner and possibly 'well and st j in the blue corner) so they don't have to make that much-publicised decision between "sporting integrity" and committing financial suicide. The green corner in particular would have real difficulty justifying it to their fans (that diddy online survey confirms it, like there were ever a doubt!). They really don't want to have to make that decision it's plain to see. Tbk is much better all round in many ways. Yesterday don't really change the picture much for them- just costs £160k more. If anyone from the current squad would need to be in effect re-signed by newco gers (if they wished to stay) does yesterday no make the miller plan completely defunct?

24 Apr 2012 07:27:08
There we have it. No signings for one year. A company banned from employing by an Association.
With a government who have said nothing on the matter throughout, UK & Scottish whilst :-
Amazon, a turnover in the order of billions of £'s, with a large presence in Dunfermline, have not paid Corporation Tax.
Edinburgh Trams have unaccountable millions of £'s thrown at it.

Please feel free to add to this thread . . .

So its ok not to pay tax?
Your right, we should stop Amazon signing players for 12 months too.
You have cheated and need to be punished.....end of.

Joeshmo1888

24 Apr 2012 06:06:29
how many ways can ppl tell a club that they just dont want them to stay alive in what is there darkest hour. through no fault of there own glasgow ranger took on what they thought was a man the was going to put money in to them and build them up (whyte) yet little did we know what was going to happen . now we are faced with more and more new problems every day and while rangers fans do alll they can to try and save our club , higher powers make it harder . giving us now a 12 month transfer ban feel like being pushed to being a newco as the ban would now be on the newco . every day we hear how closewe are to getting a new owner the promise to save us for the next to be told how far we are to being saved seems no matter what happens, it just seem to become harder to save our club . i pray that our club will ha some good news soon .

24 Apr 2012 04:50:16
Looks like Rangers will have to sell must of the senior players to pay of the depts, A time to start over, can see it taking a lot of years to sort it all out. Do you not think the new owners will not just fold the club and start over. Will be easy for who ever takes control of this nightmare for the club. I will keep a big interest on what will happen.

Foxes fan.

24 Apr 2012 02:47:17
At least one unknown is now known: SFA penalties.
SPL penalties on 30th April.
This leaves the unknown of the BTC.

SPL penalties probably as proposed.

The BTC is the biggie.

24 Apr 2012 01:20:25
very very dodgy
1]murray says he was dooped?
2]whyte rapes the club
3]whyte allowed by sfa to continue
4]tax office allows whyte to run up 9m of unpaid tax
go on not pay your tax for 9 months go on try it, this is the most unbelievable part of this whole thing

the british goverment needs to look into murray , lloyds
sfa,old board,d and p....this stinks.......les

Unfortunatly sdm thought he was above the law,but hid it well.Whereas that wee rat cw just f****** flaunts the law of the land and the laws of the game.Its over ,game done but mark my words many others will follow

24 Apr 2012 00:50:12
Interesting that D&P make out Whyte is to blame for EVERYTHING but Whyte makes no criticism of the way D&P are handling the admin. his silence speaks volumes me thinks

Whyte revels in cognitive dissonance (look it up) he uses every trick in the book to deflect blame criticism fault etc back onto those who say the same of him

Today its the SFA who are 'a joke', 'bringing the game into disrepute, 'dragging the good name of rangers thru the mud' etc. See what he's doing everyone?

It's classic 'deflection'. and yet no admittance to his fraud guilt hubris lies deceipt criminal activities etc

Anyone fooled by this is well, a complete and utter fool- I guess like the DR who will just print all his drivel verbatim -just like they did his equally guilty predecessor SDM( who is the REAL guilty party here and STILL getting away with blue bloody murder!)

A plague on all their houses

Mojo

Whyte appointed D&P. Why them? Yes, they have his interests at heart too. But they can't be too cute as HMRC will be watching them closely.

One conspiracy theory I'm signed up to is that D&P want to drag out the process till 16May in case liquidation means Rangers can't complete the season. That's a good thing, no?

24 Apr 2012 00:42:29
Time to get proactive on how Rangets fans can financially hurt the SFA, because, let's face it, the club have next to no chance of surviving in its current form. Straw and camel, nail and coffin... Unbelievably another sad day for the Gers fans. As far as I am concerned two people should be paying for mismanagement - David Murray and Craig Whyte NOT the club, the institution, the players, the staff or the fans.
Thoroughly disgusted and angry Rangers fan

Drivel

When other clubs players or manager at fined IT'S THE CLUB that pays up. Ie. they represent the club or in this case OWN THE FRICKIN CLUB. So it's absolutely correct that the club get censured. the directors, step,forward one Mr P Murray, signed off the audited books yr on yr. these were RANGERS books not SDM or Whytes books!

Fraid it's large lady singing time bears

Mojo

Totally agree with you in every repect,i think if rangers are in spl next season they should not apply for any away tickets for matches,i would like to see rangers go out the spl all together,and i speak for a few rangers fans i know aswell muck up there tv deal and let all clubs budget on a few hundred grand less a year on ticket money,i hate all things to do with scottish football now for the way people line up to kick a club when its down,weve got millions of fans and two people have ruined a great institution sdm n cw have brought us to our knees,well done sdm you are the main man in all this you introduced cw you arranged ebt,you should pay for it not our great club

Total clowns above,Rangers cheat lie and dont pay taxes the SFA let you off with a fine and a wee slap on the wrist and you are greeting its everbody else to blame, Get real take it like a man

You might think the club belongs to the fans but legally it's (85% anyway) Craig Whyte's, and SDM's before him. If Rangers are punished, it's for defrauding the system.

I'm afraid the players are employees and the fans are customers who pay for what they get. Legally.

4) Rangers as a club have broken the rules regardless of who was in charge. Are we trying to say that only Craig Whyte knew that PAYE wasnt getting paid on wages and that other clubsbusinesses hadnt been paid? People within Ibrox should have spoken out. The clubs finances have been a mess even befor CW took over.

We were all conned by the press that he was a billionaire. May I add journalists who were chummy with SDM and printed whatever he told them.

24 Apr 2012 00:20:08
Sfa kill rangers,
Dont think so
Money problems have done it
Keep up non tax payments
Inland revenue avoidance
Lies & cheating
Lowlifes bleeding club dry
Spending invisable money
Greed & dishonesty
Evasion of tax
Rangers face oblivion
Shutdown

Hope all capitails spells it out,
Not sfa dnp any other team,
All shout about lennon blaming everyone else,takes 1 to know 1,
Quote,show me a good looser & il show you a liar,

24 Apr 2012 00:17:59
lafferty is supposedly suspended for 2 weeks and banned from attending games, anyone else heard this?

Heard that ally wanted him to play while injured. also heard that a.lly cancelled his
hernia op

24 Apr 2012 00:12:31
Should Gers vote for the 10-2 voting process at the end of the month ? I think yes. We are getting f****d by the SFA anyway.

What were you expecting to get away with it take your punishment its the least you deserve

So should Lennon then.

Whats this got to do with lennon davie c

23 Apr 2012 23:59:15
Is there anymore D&P can do to drag this out ? . You would think they were doing it on purpose, but what possible gain could they acquire if the club went into liquidation. It all seems an inescapable mess at the moment, But I believe we will rise again like the phoenix, although a slow and bumpy process and against ALL the odds like the SFA sanctions and fines will be an even stronger club for many years to come.
One day we will watch the demise of those clubs who laughed and scorned and voted to kick us while we were down, and on that day we will show real dignity and offer sympathy and help..
SIMPLY THE BEST..

Is that the same dignity and help minty murray showed to airdrie when they were on their knees?

Try doing your homework Declan. Minty Murray as you call him was not a Rangers fan. He owned the club, Yes. But was never a Rangers Supporter.

23 Apr 2012 23:57:10
reality check, Lloyds bank had embargo in place for two years, it's a case balancing within means and managing expectations.

youth and prudent investment is the future.

Brain check for you!