Rangers Banter Archive September 24 2013

24 Sep 2013 22:35:24
Roll up Gers fans.

We are constantly ribbing you lot about one thing or another so tonight on the back of that f*cking embarrassment I watched at Celtic park tonight its fair game indeed. Don't let anyone try and give you any sh*te about the penalty Morton got either as it shouldn't have mattered and soft as it might have been I have seen them given. Nearly 30 shots on target, 20 odd corners we couldn't even notch a single goal. And to think i've been listening to roasters talking about beating Barca again or qualifying for the last 16 this year, what a f*cking joke.

Lennon will blame the ref, I blame him and the players.

Shoe on the other foot, I would rub this one right in.


HonestJohn

I would rather talk about Rangers on this site than comment on others

So you watched a game at porkheid and decided to come on here 20 mins after the game finished, I've searched the sceptic site and you have never posted on there. Give it a rest mate, you're embarrassing yourself.There's nothing more pathetic than someone pretending to support a team to try and point score.What have you been ribbing us about anyway?

Honestjohn, lennon didn't blame the ref

HonestJohn. If you were Pinochio your nose would be right down Copland Rd right now. DH

Well if that's what morton can do at celtic park imagine what they would do along in ibrox after all they are a step from the level of rangers

Could be Celtic saw the chance to dump this so they can concentrate on CL. Come on Rangers did it so they could concentrate on the Ramsden Cup.

@6. excellent point well made!

@2) Point score lol? What an illiterate comment to make, you clearly didn't understand the tone of the post. Its the banter section mate, no matter what team he supported he's looking to see what the Rangers fans are saying about a major cup upset of there biggest rivals.

And "What have you been ribbing us about"? that's without doubt the funniest comment I have ever read on this page. You can't be for real lol

@6 no chance lennon would dump a cup to concentrate on cl. they are celtic not man u. why did he not field a team of kids? it was a mix up yes but not that weakened. does a disservice to Morton that.

26 Sep 2013 00:37:49
Cudnt care less about the score, but just for the record @6 and & 7 lennon is desperate to win a treble, its the one thing he can add to his record, wot else is he going to win? winning the treble in scotland is the be all and end all, especially when you have 5 yrs to do it with no opposition, b4 you jump in with the last 16, that is a bonus, He is expected to win all home trophys given his resources, and I would say that off a Rangers manager in his position, many many sellik fans will be pig sick that he, s blown it again
and so they should be, I would Tommyblue

24 Sep 2013 22:14:39
How embarrassing must it be for a manager to lose to a team a division lower than you?. Especially with a multi-million pound squad on the pitch! ROTFLFLMAO!

Gaz.

24 Sep 2013 22:32:04
Gaz

I really couldn't agree more. Piss poor tonight. Team and management need to have a good look at themseleves. Well done to Morton they deserved it.

Benedict

"Its a diddy cup" LMAO

OP nice one, but that's what happens to middle of the road selling clubs they never build a team just keep buying cheap and selling - and that's their treble phoocked again!

28 Sep 2013 01:42:28
@Benedict, very sporting and humble of you sir Tommyblue

23 Sep 2013 13:36:29
On the 31st October will the AGM be for the holding company or the club?honest reply's only please. What you think ED?Stephanie. {The Ed039's Note - I think you need to really get a life Stephanie)

Well said ed

JG

24 Sep 2013 21:10:34
Nothing like a bit of honesty eh

Zzz. the same old comments from the dhims.

Gaz.

Why get a LIFE??why & how am I dhim??personic response for an ED, I am not a fan of either the bigot brothers, yet classed as 1 when ask the question. ok smart a$$ ed. why has no defimation court writs been lodged V every media outlet?lets hear your HONESTY EH, MR GET A LIFE!! {The Ed039's Note - Did I hit a nerve??)

25 Sep 2013 18:18:59
Stephanie calm doon hen. What reaction do you expect when you point out so succinctly that the "holding company" concept makes no sense in reality. I think its you that hit the nerve by the looks of the responses, none of which actually try to answer your question. Well spoken girl.

24 Sep 2013 19:37:03
The fans and the club itself use the term, the journey and we all are pretty much in agreement with that. Sure, some of last season was torture to watch but part of the fascination with the journey was to see the young players progress. It was said by a journalist yesterday that it was " sad " to see no youngsters in the starting 11 on Sunday and guess what, it was.

I know McLeod was injured but McCoist needs to balance things and avoid ditching the Murray Park youth and our future in return for certain victories. All the fuss about another centre half needed when we have Gasparotto coming through. Andy Mitchell won two player of the match awards towards the end of last season and he's now on loan. McCausland looks a great prospect but replaced by experience now and not even on the bench on Sunday. Crawford, McKay, Aird all left out.

Fergie had the nerve years ago to play the Neville brothers, Butt, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes all in the same team, all through the youth ranks in the most demanding league on the planet. We need to look to the future and I'm not meaning just next weekend.

Would agree with Gasperatto he should be given his chance in the team alongside Moshni. I would have McCulloch up front with Clark. McKay should also be given a run in the team in place of Smith. However can't see Crawford making the grade does nothing but runs about and only shows anything once the team are comfortably winning

24 Sep 2013 20:22:12
OP why compare mccoist to fergie? Makes no sense. that's like comparing David Cameron to Napoleon or something. One's a leader of men, the other's a wind bag full of their own self importance. I think we al know which is which.

We might need the youngsters once administration kicks in because the high earners will be first to go.

Yeh, fergusons a whining old windback. Great, well thought out analogy mate : ( lol.

I agree OP however the current manager is too afraid of failing and will not give youth their chance. Gasparato at centre back McAusland at right back and McLeod and MacKay in midfield alongside Law. I don't think Crawford has it but think Aird could come good with a manager of Ferguson's ability/courage.

@5 nicky law youth?

OP, fully agree everything about the word "Balance" is what we as a team and club need to build upon. The young guys would struggle on their own, but they are hungry, and a work in progress. We need to stick with them and not rely solely on experience. Hopefully Ally is just keeping them hungry! I hope this is the case. {The Ed039's Note - Ally keeps half of Glasgow hungry)

Ed 039, Well he can certainly afford all the pies! Do you think Ally should go now? I still think he can do us a job in the short term, I'll at least give him this season. What bothers me most is the uncertainty regarding his ability to develope the young guys. Now he's no Fergie, but who do you recon could do the job better and maintain this when we are in the spfl? No sarcasm now lol. {The Ed039's Note - Too many people thinking short term TBH, I have made my feelings about Ally known, not enough people know how to seperate their feelings between Ally the legend and Ally the manager, he is a poor manager and I feel that another coach would have been able to get better out of young players, ie a Stuart McCall, Derek McInnes or even Derek Adams. I had vouched for Davie Weir for long enough but his managerial career hasnt really hit the ground running)

24 Sep 2013 14:42:52
Must admit I am getting sick of listening to the get ally out keyboard gangsters.
Have people forgotten what happened to our club just over one year ago?
They slate a manager who has stuck with the club throughout despite never having the full backing of whatever board has been in place. People on here moaning about his salary - do you forget he went months with no salary - would you do the same?
Yes some of the performances last year weren't great but that's what you get with a team with no pre season and majority of kids.
He has pulled together a squad this year on free transfers that on paper looks the second strongest in Scotland. Again doesn't get the credit for attracting this calibre of player - remember which league we are plying in!
They are top of the league by a mile and will win the league by Xmas. I personally don't care re cups, I want rangers back in the spfl ASAP and ally is doing what's necessary to get back there. Get off his back the man is a true rangers supporter - support him and the team.
Al

Nice try Mr Mcoist. your fooling no one.

24 Sep 2013 18:07:20
@op al I agree with you totally and these anti ally so called gers supporters need to realise if ally did leave or get sacked right now no Manager would come near us and take the job, people can come on and name names but I guarantee you they would come anywhere near ibrox as manager

Differing opinions are the very nature of a forum, and you are entitled to yours Al.
Don't think we'll ever reach a majority agreement on Ally. I think he's more than made his lost few months wages back though, don't you? If I were you I'd shed a tear for all those that lost their jobs while Ally continues to rake in an obscene wage for a manager plying his trade in the lower echelons of Scottish football whilst delivering a sh173 product.

@2 if the money's the same, there will be plenty.

24 Sep 2013 20:30:11
Danny Lennon might be available soon. He'd jump at the chance, he had st mirren playing attractive football for a while until his budget was slashed, and he has previous track record of doing well in the lower leagues.

Any gers fan having a go at McCoist should have a word. I'm not disputing that his salary is ridiculous for league one, but he is presence is worth its weight to rangers. How many of you would have bought season tickets if the mr green had sacked him and brought in one of his mates. Result would have been less cash - less players and the possibility of rangers stuck in the lower leagues for years.
I have been a ger for over 35 years and seen poor gers teams and some very good ones. The period of our history is embarrassing however we will only get back to the top table by sticking together. The other lot are laughing their heads off, posting massive profits whilst we moan about our manager.
The reality is super ally will remain in charge unless he fails to win promotion.
He is our manager and deserves the respect as such.

Al

Baybear you claim it's a sh7t3 product.
What do you want. Miles ahead in the league despite transfer embargo. Scoring goals for fun and only just been able to play all our new signings.
Not sure of the stats but around 26 goals for and 2 against.
I think you fall into the category of fan who is living in the past.
I would ask you one question - is the football any worse than the Alex MacLeish team.
Don't mean to have a go but hate the negativity that surrounds our club. We need to remain positive and support our club in a positive fashion until we are BACK.
Al

@7 on the contrary Al, I am very much looking to the future; the long term future. No disrespect intended but your assessment seems to only be looking at the short term. It seems our main point of contention surrounds our differing opinion on what we expect from the 'product'. I'm not talking about buying goals and points to secure a quick return to the top. I view the product as a fresh opportunity to be a team that coaches our youth to play attractive, free flowing football. This would not only give us a good product to watch but would also give us a more sustainable future and maybe make us some much needed revenue along the way. I don't care how long it takes to get back to the top. If we do it by blooding exciting youth players who want to be part of the revolution then that'll do nicely for me. It is possible but only if the fans have a desire to follow this route and only with a coaching team who know how to do it. I don't feel Ally is capable of this as he has consistently demonstrateeda reluctance to give youth a go and a worrying lack of ideas. Didn't take your post as a dig by the way, just a different opinion that's all. {The Ed039's Note - great post, whole heartadley agree)

I would throw this question to people, if your company or board were willing to pay you more money would you say no?

Scottyb

25 Sep 2013 07:17:55
Scottyb, if I absolutely loved my employer and knew that them giving me that money might contribute to jeopardising the very existence of that employer, then the answer to your question would be a resounding yes. If I had a big head that was more important to me than anything else then, no, I wouldn't refuse the money. Which category would you fall in to? And which is Ally?

Baybear I understand your point however rangers will never have that luxury. 35000 season ticket holders and sponsors are not relaxed about how long it takes rangers to return - they want it now. Hence ally has no option but to get in seasoned pros or he will be out of a job. The knives were out last year!
Look at every manager since souness era - the only one who tried to change was le guen and look how long he lasted. Gers fans and board were not willing to give his team a chance to gel.
It's seen as a disaster to finish second.
Finally how many kids did Walter play?

@11 sorry but have to disagree with u. Ally could play McAusland, Gasperatto, McLeod & McKay along with the experienced players and still be good enough to win the league comfortably. These boys have shown promise and I don't think they would weaken the team. Do u honestly think that Foster is a better right back than McAusland?

@11 I wouldn't necessarily disagree, all valid points. I would also suggest that there are people who have nothing to do with Rangers who want us back asap too. So what's the answer then? do we just accept that this is the way it is and there's nothing to be done about it?
I totally agree about Le Guen and was personally gutted when he was punted. We were crying out for a change of direction and we had it there with Le Guen but the people in charge never had the ba115 to ignore the calls for his head from some of the support. We as fans are a vital part of the club but we don't know everything. Dare I say it, we need things to get worse before we can make it better. I would argue that in order to free ourselves of the leeches we need to become an unattractive prospect for people that see us as a cash cow. That way we the fans could control our own destiny. We have the power to make this happen by manning up and having the ba115 to say "no, in this form this is not my club, this is the Rangers brand being used to make money for others and I will no longer be a part of this"
Clearly though this is an opinion shared by very few. There are too many who want to revel in old glories and are terrified to give up something that quite frankly it no longer is anyway. This Rangers is a pseudo Rangers using all the emotional ties of the original to pull at the heartstrings and anchor us in the past. I would sooner follow a genuine Rangers starting in the juniors than this stagnant charade. Controversial? yes I suppose it is but without challenging debate we remain the blind drinking from a poison chalice.

@12>, McAusland, Gasperatto, McLeod & McKay are all still available, so it's still possible that one or all of them can get selected this season (hell, there's still a long way to go yet). If Ally can play his best team and get this league wrapped up quickly then the pressure of that will be lifted, then I believe these boys will get more time on the pitch to make their individual cases for selection next year. You only have to look at the fallout from the last game, a win, but the players and the manager where slaughtered by the supporters and press alike. Ally must feel these boys need time to work their way in rather than throw them in and hope for leniency from the fans if they falter. I only think this because if Ally didn't think they were good enough then he would have released them and if he had no intentions to use them then he would have put them out on loan.
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Not that I'm happy with Ally on a lot of issues. But on some I can't help thinking that he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. After last season would we honestly be happy fielding mainly youth players? It sounds great, but in reality it would take double the time to get back to our top flight. A balance of youth and experience is probably the more realistic route. I believe Ally can get us there, but not so sure about him long term.

24 Sep 2013 12:58:49
What is Rangers best 11?
Bell

Peralta Mohsni, McCulloch, Wallace

Macleod Law Black

Templeton


Daly. Clark

Bit harsh on andy little

24 Sep 2013 15:57:40
Andy little is not the future for RANGERS I understand he is played out of position but the truth is his skills are limited

Not really sure about Peralta at right back. As for Little if he is played through the middle he should be in but not if he is played out wide

Peralta right back?

Bell
Faure
Wallace
Moshni
McCulloch
Peralta
Little
Law
Daly
McLeod
Templeton

Would have to put Black in midfield in front of Peralta. For all the betting scandal Black had been playing well in midfield and was beginning to look the part where as Peralta has struggled. Not sure about Faure either as he is prone to giving the ball away too easily. McAusland didn't do anything wrong so I would go for him at right back. Also would maybe put Clark in front of Daly

@4 black has had over a year at rangers the Honduras guy has had 2 games, if black how's straight back into the team its a disgrace after what he's done.

@6 clark can't play upfront himself, ally is a manager with no tactical knowledge and as long as the high ball tactic is deployed Daly will play, wouldn't surprise me if ally plays mcculloch and Daly upfront then he can just miss the midfield out and play high balls.

Peralta plays RB for his country?

@7 Not arguing that what he did was wrong however the player still remains at the club and it's logical to assume he will be picked. At the moment he has performed better than Peralta and should play before him

Bell
Wallace jig moshni Forster
Temps peralta law McLeod
Daly Clark

Bell, McAusland, Moshni, mcculloch, Wallace

Macleod, Law Black, Templeton

Daly Clark

24 Sep 2013 11:04:14
rangers fans, just a few questions regarding allys management skills. was he walter smiths understudy for a few years?did walter put him into the job?to be honest is he playing his team any different from smiths years in charge?i don't think he is. just think he's not got the quality of players to do the job. smiths still paid 4mil for jelavic in his last year. when was the last time rangers or celtic fans got moneys worth for there season ticket. if walter was in that position would he do better and finally was charles green wrong to ask for a bit more from the team and management team?

I won't answer individually Pedro I will simply say that in football management terms Walter is/was different gravy compared to Ally. I doubt Big Sir Leckie Ferguson would ever invite Ally to be his number 2. Granted I think it's a given that most of Allys knowledge of football management comes from Walter but he just doesn't have the ability or dare I say it, man management skills to pull it off. That's the one thing I'm most surprised about to be honest. I never thought Ally would cut it in terms of tactical awareness as he simply didn't do the apprenticeship his peers have done. Ally was fast tracked without doing the groundwork and it's beginning to show more and more. While the likes of Butcher, McCall, McInnes etc were learning their craft Ally was d**king around with Sue Barker and making awful films. His limited ability in this area should come as no surprise to anyone. However, I never ever thought I would see the day where I questioned his ability to man manage and build effective relationships with people. I always thought that this is what would see him through. It seems there is a side to Ally that few were aware of and recently he has really put me off.
In answer to your value for money question I think definitely not. The cost does not reflect the standard of entertainment on offer.

As for your question about Chuck in essence his comments were less about concern for the fans and more designed to unsettle the apple cart. Luckily for him our inept manager provided him the perfect opportunity with his appalling management.
Chuck is just one of many taking their pound of flesh, no better or worse than all the other snakes.

It staggers me that Ally can be so inept though. How can he not see that Smith is never a left sided midfielder? He was awful against QOS and then to put him there again showed an ineptness I didn't think a former professional player would show. He played a big striker against Forfar knowing full well that there 2 centre halves and superb in the air but poor on the ground. He played to their strengths. He needs to go or we will never win the top league again

Op when ws came back to manage rangers he got us too euro final then won the next three tittles in a row ws knew what was coming addm wise he told ally not to take job am could never be in the cattegory of ws even if am lives long enough to get telegram from hm

Anybody that's managed a pool team could do better than am with this group of players play them in right position play two up front and thing would happen natuarly end off the guys not got it