Rangers Banter Archive April 25 2012

 

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25 Apr 2012 23:32:37
I for one congratulate Ally for standing up for Rangers and demanding to know who is putting the boot into this great club. All the timmys are having a go at him but should remember that the ginger one would have and has in the past done the same...

MidlandRanger {Ed001's Note - but he already would have known who had done it, so there was absolutely no need to ask. Especially not in public.}

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Well why does our ally get support and lemon dosent

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Well said ed. a rangers representative was at the meeting. in the light of recent very serious events, ally could at best be called very stupid for this outburst or at worst accused of calculatedly issuing veiled threats to officials of the sfa. pretty serious really and goes way beyond any of neil lennon's attacks on refereeing incompetence.
he said he did some stupid things as a player, well he hasn't stopped now he's a manager. {Ed001's Note - I don't believe he would want anyone to get hurt, I am sure he just wasn't thinking.}

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Tbh dont think he meant it in a bad way,personally i would say the pressure is seriously getting to him.....ive never seen a man age as quickly in a matter of months,for his own sake he should walk away.

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Ally and us have been extremely frustrated at the way things are going, and made some daft comments in the heat of the moment. If anyone from Rangers says anything at the moment and puts their head above the parapit, then the east end hypocrits are firing from all sides. Get your own manager to get a grip first before slagging ours off.

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25 Apr 2012 23:23:10
if my club is to be killed off
i want to know who voted to kill it.......simples....les {Ed001's Note - you already know who killed it - David Murray.}

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Now that super has the 3 names of the panel,what exactly is he going to do?

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Name his next 3 children after them?

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It's you who are simples. the meeting was not held in secret. and as 1 said what is ally going to do with the names ? this is looking bad for him. he needs to stop this aggressive posturing.

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25 Apr 2012 23:02:26
Is now the time for Rangers to start counting the league titles we won during WW2 in our official history?

We have been Champions of Scotland 61 times not 54.

Celtic count goals/goalscorers/results from that period in its history but Rangers don't for some strange reason. Is it not the case that Rangers won an old firm game 7-1 or something and Celtic credit their goal scorer that day but Rangers don't ours?

Get 6 stars on that new Rangers kit.

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What u talking about?

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You will have zero stars by next season.......EBTs/double contracts, remember them??

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In short, no. The goal-scorers thing is up to the clubs. Give it up.

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Omg. why dont they just cover the jersey in stars ? 134 million of them. the result you get when you divide the club debt by the value of the club. thinking about it, if you subtract the war years, rangers owe 1 million pounds for every year they've been in business. well done, another record for you.

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“Dignity does not consist in possessing honours but in deserving them ” – Aristotle


jimi88

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25 Apr 2012 22:59:14
Hear me out on this one......

The dealings Whyte had with Banstead
that were uncovered and then seemed to disappear
Also the constant that Whyte will turn out to be the clubs saviour.....

How about this? The club get liquidated?
the club then buy over Banstead?
The club then change their name
to become F.C Rangers?
The Club then take their place in the English League?
The club installs Whyte to chairman again(he is only banned in Scotland)
After say, a decade, they find themselves in the premier league of England....

Whyte then becomes the saviour of the club

What do you think?

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If the club is liquidated, how can it buy over Barnstead?

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I'll have some of what your smoking mate....

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Think you have lost it

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Keep taking the tablets

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25 Apr 2012 22:52:11
duff and phelps will be announcing the announcement of another announcement to take place at a later date where a deadline will be set for the announcement of another deadline...so there will be an announcement of the next announcementafter the next announcement.

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Its not the flagon with the dragon but the vessel with the pestle that holds the brew that is true. Classic post worthy of the late Danny Kaye

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25 Apr 2012 22:43:38
Our new kit is officially launched tomorrow,belter.Step up & play.

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Heard there are no stars on it!

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Looks like a Morton kit

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25 Apr 2012 22:26:03
BREAKING NEWS: Administrators Duff & Phelps will be announcing the announcement of another announcement to take place at a later date where a deadline will be set for the announcement of another deadline.

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In my humble Celtic supporter opinion..is all this just not blah, blah as they need to await the tax case outcome ? Papers filled with tripe everyday, D&P say nothing new..has anything really happened since Valentines Day ? Yaaawwnnn

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25 Apr 2012 22:17:27
Our new kit is officially launched tomorrow,belter.Step up & play.

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Hardly any money will make it into Rangers' coffers - clubs don't make much at all from shirt sales. Then again, Rangers need all the pennies they can get.

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25 Apr 2012 22:08:42
Try this one, open minded Rangers fans.

Allow Rangers to implode into liquidation. End of story for the club.

Start a new company (say Rangers 2012 plc) and raise enough money to buy a league club.

Buy (say) Morton FC (or any club preferably not too far down the league structure) and Ibrox (from liquidator).

Morton FC move to Ibrox and are re-named Rangers 2012.

When the inevitable promotion to the SPL happens everything is back to normal.

All this needs is for fans to start supporting the successor club, which by now will be playing at Ibrox and wearing blue and white.

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Err,i dont want to spoil your plan but i think you might have trouble brewing re;threats to SFA bods. Police involved..........green jhedi

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Nope that would not be Rangers fc if we went down that road it would be a new club, if the worst happens Rangers will go down the same road as Leeds utd did in 2007.

Form a new parent company get them to buy all of Rangers history,tophies etc which are transferable assets then liquidate the Rangers 1889 company, 100% debt free and still with all of Rangers history and assets ie Ibrox , Murray park etc.

The Rangers 1889 company was not formed till years after the football club which was formed in 1872 anyway so if the parent company goes under the football club still lives.

It would only be a question of what league we would be playing in then.

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You are mental mate

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Like Morton fans, or whoever, will do that!

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I'm from greenock you stupid t055er. morton is a fine football club, better run than rangers and i can assure you that your arrogant stupidity will never be countenanced in greenock or anywhere else.
this is so typical of so many people who support rangers, you're not a real football fan. you support rangers to try and offset some inferiority complex you have. and your good friends in the sfa will never allow it. i was at both matches in 69-70 when we beat you at ibrox and drew at cappielow. gone down a bit since then but not as far as you seem to think or as far as rangers. girfuy.

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25 Apr 2012 21:53:59
Why does it appear that all rival plans keep reiterating the fact that we have transfer fees outstanding. It is common practice for ALL football clubs to pay transfers fees on an installments basis This may also be effected by bonus payments related to goals scored, trophies won or champions league position gained etc.

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Just one problem other teams pay the installments ,you dont ,is that clear enough?

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The difference is, the common practise is to pay the transfer fee in full on the arranged dates.....not look for a 10p in the pound deal!

Joeshmo1888

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The difference is Rangers a NOT paying the tranfer fees-thought this was obvious.

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Yes but like the supermarket ,the transfer market requires you pay for goods or its called stealing,
if you dont you get punished or you could shout its no fair , its a conspiracy it wisnea me boo hooo,
if dunf get relegated they should sue the league

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Ok everyone is just making things up to have a go at rangers. you rumbled us. it's a fair cop guv.

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25 Apr 2012 21:45:05
Why oh why does it take so long for the big tax case result to be known. They have now had three months ans still nada. I think that this limbo will not be resolved until the verdict is known. Why are sports people and politicians and indeed the fans not demanding a conclusion. How much evidence is there and how long does it need to read it.
For goodness sake get the finger out!

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Got a feeling this case has already been decided and a cva has been done but only if Whyte is chased out of the club.

They said 90 days in Jan its well past that now.

Seems strange that most of the bids for Rangers have been around the £10-12m mark, maybe bidders know what the cva would come to.

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25 Apr 2012 21:41:14
All over online media STV and BBC, Police taking extremely seriously threats made to SFA disciplinary panel members after Rangers fans published their details on websites.
Security measures in place for these people.
What a shameful disgrace.
Ally McCoists position is now indefensible and untenable.

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Here we go again , other football supporters come on this site posing as rangers fans , there are enough hate filled morons out there capable of sinking to any depths to blacken the good name of Scotlands premier club.
Lets just wait and see what happens.
Why shouldn't Rangers know who are making decisions against them, thought the east enders wanted transparency
RIkmikvikndik.

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How are the two situations related

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SOOOO = = its alright for the self proclaimed "rabble rouser" to mouth off and demand clarification and answers for every decision & result that goes against him "personally"
But Ally, can"t state the bleeding obvious that this decision will proably kill the club & asks who the !faceless! jury are.

get off the fence bhozo!

bill72
ps ED - I goy a bo;;icking from a very touchy & defensive Ed on the CFC site for not putting my name on posts - the majority o ridiculius posts from mainly celtix fans don;t have names? Double stanfards/

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Absolute nonsense, why is ally's position untenable ? Because he had the audacity to ask the people that tried the club be named , if their wasn't so much secrecy then it would have instantly diffused the situation, and just an idemdum this holier than thou attitude is totally unjustified , wasn't it not that long ago a certain club was hiring private detectives to investigate refs?

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McCoist already knew who was on the panel before his rant the other night.

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McCoist already knew who was on the panel!

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There was a rangers representative at the meeting. all ally had to do was ask him. none of these meetings are held in secret. where the hell do you people get your information from ?
if this is true, it's back to a question of sport for him. there are 2 rangers supporters in prison awaiting sentence for a very serious offence. for the manager of rangers to be seen to be behaving in this way at this time is just awful.

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25 Apr 2012 21:40:28
After neil lennons great season hollywood have asked him to star in a new kung-fu film . its called ENTER THE DONKEY.....TRUBLUE.

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Man you should have your own comedy show, you sound like a funny guy!

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Come on , we know it's you andy cameron.

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25 Apr 2012 21:36:55
Dont care of anybodyy else snidy lennon comments as iam talking about ally mccoist,
He as manager of rangers should show respect & with his innfulence should conduct his media manner better his comments last nite lit the flames that have ended with death threts the same as players get told to behave by police,
By all rights dont be happy,
Insite a riot yesterday due tovhis inexperiance,
The same as yous disgust at lennon
I wouldent wunt anybody manager or player show true emotion,
Mccoist words were inflamotry at best and should ask for calm,
Realy unhappy with ally

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Are you for real - pot, kettle, black. ffs

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25 Apr 2012 21:35:14
Some of the lies being told on here about Rangers are ridiculous.

1) Rangers have paid every installment owed on players as it stands, We have not bought players and not paid for them yet. TBks have said that any outstanding Football debt will be paid and not as part of a cva.

2) If Uefa banned teams for non payment of tax then half of la lega would be banned. Clubs in la liga owe a total of 694m euro in tax and have a total debt of 3.5bn euro.

3) This 2 contracts rubbish show me proof of this please anyone, Alex thomson has been working away at this for months and come up with nothing other than the word of Hugh adam who just happened to wait 15 years before bringing it up.

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But, hang on it must be true....the east end tax inspectors/accountants/lawyers etc have told us this is fact.

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In Capitals
FACT

bill72

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25 Apr 2012 21:29:32
Our superb new kit launched tomorrow,nice.Step up & play.God wbless the Rangers.

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25 Apr 2012 21:26:57
I in no way want to tar all rangers fans with the same brush. Because I'm not ignorant enough to believe this small mindless minority represent your entire support. But I'm sure you must all agree mcCoist's decision to call for the panel to be named were extremely irresponsible and inflammatory. Whether you agree with the sanctions or not making threats towards people doing their jobs is disgraceful. I really hope the rest if the rangers fans stand together in the condemning of these animals

Junglebhoy33

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Dont blame ally, blame the idiots, just wish theyd grow up, have they any idea how much bad publicity they bring the club.....

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You're right - they don't. The majority of fans deplore this sort of conduct and it is not acceptable to threaten people whoever they are. Ally has not helped matters with his comments, but he is not the one issuing threats towards these members. There are are knuckle draggers at every football club, who don't see what damage this type of behaviour can do to their club. All they have done is shift media attention away from the SFA - any support we had from neutrals will quickly vanish as a result.

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Whether the SFA take action or not doesn't matter much. But the SFA shouldn't get intimidated by McCoist's rant and should hold their dignity. They've already said they're looking forward to the appeal, which suggests there is scope for a review of the punishment. Ally should concentrate on helping Rangers' cause in the appeal.

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SFA & dignity in the one sentence - - now theres a thing

bill72

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@4; dignity and rangers? now thats a laugh.........green jhedi

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Green jhedi and hypocrite - no wait, that works.

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5.) GJ

pot kettle black again?

bill72

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25 Apr 2012 21:21:40
No SPL club has issued Season
Books/tickets yet still waiting for
the RFC news to break.

May have to go with a blank Ticket
if decission not made soon.

RFC will get some cash from the last
old firm game, if game does not go
ahead then there are plans for the
EBT11 to play as back up.

Hard to think of this being the last
old firm game ever...thoughts?

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It won't be the last. There will be a team called Rangers next season, however that is made to come about.

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There will be Berwick Rangers for one.

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25 Apr 2012 21:08:19
Police been called in by SFA, death threats have been made, SFA warn this will slow down the appeal process, come on fellow bears I fully understand the need to protest but this won't do our chances of getting a new owner any good, no businessman wants to be involved in this sort of behaviour.

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Do these idiots not know that they have played into the hands of the SFA. The genuine sympathy from some quarters regarding the edict from the SFA will now disappear and it will give our 'haters' even more ammo to fire at us.

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25 Apr 2012 21:07:10
Ed can we offer aluko an little a new contract under this transfer embargo? These r bad times I hope we survive this I keep telling myself that W.A.T.P
tubz1690
Northern Ireland rangers supporter {Ed001's Note - yes, current players can sign new contracts or contract extensions. It is only a block on registering new players.}

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Thought he was of to la liga

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25 Apr 2012 21:05:55
Scottish football is rank rotten, if Rangers die I'll enjoy watching the rest of the dribble rot away to nothing! Try getting £160,000 out of the bottom six when they bring your beautiful game into disrepute!

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The fine has to match the turnover of the club. Rangers probably have the highest turnover in Scotland so of course the fine is high. East Stirling could be fined £160 and it would feel the same.

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Sad little man away and dry yer eyes,no one to blame but Rangers and Murray

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turnover fine & ok - - but it may have escaped your obviously short concentration span - -WE ARE IN £150 mill debt & counting!!!!!!!

bill72

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P1sh hibs hearts highest home games are against each other not the of, the game will progress as the corrupt voting sytem will have to go and celtic will be the only club to suffer thought youd be happy about that, cheat and pay the price or avoid paying in ure case

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25 Apr 2012 21:03:17
strathclyde police are investigating te ovhreats made against the members of the sfa panel who dished out the punishment to rangers i in no way approve of this its shocking behaviour as much as i dont agree with the decision taken by the panel and think it will be overturned on appeal.
i hope the police catch these morons and bring them to justice in court and they are handed out long sentences. i appeal to fellow gers fans to stay calm and not to make threats to anyone at all and let the appeal proccess take its course we dont want the situation at our club made worse by stupid behaviour.

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25 Apr 2012 20:51:06
No way Donald Trump will ever get involved he made it very clear he wants nothing to do with anything that waves its arms and makes a lot of noise how would he cope with the Rangers Trust

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25 Apr 2012 20:35:51
Why all the fuss about the transfer embargo? it will never happen because its already been agreed that a newco rangers will enter the spl next season with a 10pnt deduction and 75% less tv money, think about it, it is illegle to charge the newco as it cant be held responsable for the charges and the sfa have hit rangers hard knowing full well that the sanctions will never come into play, they have to be seen to hit rangers hard and they have done so knowing full well they cant happen... quite clever if you ask me, the only question now is will it be millers newco or murray and the blue knights newco? i will take any bets that this is 100% what will happen. milblue.......

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Depends on the licence transfer i think?......green jhedi

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Sorry mate but that is incorrect. When rangers apply for reinstatement into Spl it will be stipulated they will need to pay all fines and any monies due to other football clubs. Do you honestly think other clubs wud vote them back in without this. This was also confirmed by Fraser Wishart. Rayman

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Nice try. Rangers' share in the SPL would transfer to the newco in your scenario and with it everything attached to Rangers.

Of course if Rangers are liquidated with no newco then the SFA will get just a small part of that £160000. A new football team (Rangers 2012, say) would need to apply to the SFA to enter at its lowest level. Which would be very low indeed, although presumably it could buy its way in at a higher level if it finds a club willing to sell (as Airdrie Utd did with Clydebank). But there would be no link to Rangers' history then. Could be a price worth paying and I don't know why this solution hasn't been discussed on this forum.

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25 Apr 2012 20:35:18
Is everyone missing the point here, the transfer embargo that has been imposed by the SFA is only a prelude to even tougher sanctions that UEFA will dish out to Rangers for non payment of taxes and non payment of transfer fees. Then UEFA will investigate the duel contracts and financial doping, these sanctions will result in a lenghtly ban from europe and further transfer embargos. This will drag on for months, face the facts rangers are finished.

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What will happen when Rapid are due their cash as they said they are going to UEFA as are Gais..........green jhedi

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Absolutely correct............not a hope in hell that in any form will Rangers be alloed back into european comps until all football commitments are cleared fact

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I thought you knew everything about administration green jhedi they become creditors like the rest and join the queue.

Really do try and keep up.

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Rangers shop .............newly stocked items Blinkers in club colours !
we are shafted football debts have to be paid by oldco, newco or incubatorco. "Big Boab" and his Rangers Trust can bleat all year. Glasgow Polis will take a dim view of any proposed marches now that people are being threatened and not sure any sane businessman would want any further involvement what next Parks of Hamilton buses hijacked by pensioners in Arran in retaliation for stopping outside an Italian ice cream shop.

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@3; Another sandheid. frazer wishart explained it on clyde.football debts will be payed in full. do try and get it right it is your team after all............green jhedi

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25 Apr 2012 20:18:26
how the hell has David Murray come out of this scot free.This guy should be held responsible for every single thing happening at Rangers,including selling to Whyte. And Coisty is right, this independant committe should be named as who knows if they have any alterior motive for possibly signing the death warrant of Rangers and Scottish football. David Murray rot in hell. You did this to my club

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There names are all over the web and they are receiving threats.The police have been told.Well done ally..........green jhedi

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Is Ally the one who posted it on the website? I for one couldn't care who they are but would seek justification for the penalty as is done in a court of law PB

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What are you trying to say ya rocket that mcoist made the threat himself, if not what has that got to do with him. i want them named as well does that mean im goin g to threaten them , jog on back to your own hole

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McCoist could have named them as he knew who they were already. Muppet.

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25 Apr 2012 19:54:46
ed why is there never any mention of the alledged mismanagement of gate receipts during the most successful time inthe other team from the eastends history?would there be tax due on any missing monies?did they cheat to win the big cup?is their nine in a row tainted or were the aligations of the famous biscuit tin just that?just a thought {Ed001's Note - it has been done to death, time to move on unless you have proof of it?}

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Look up clown in the dictionary-the definition is above

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The straw clutching is reaching new levels.

Joeshmo1888

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@2: Are there any straws left that haven't already been clutched?

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25 Apr 2012 19:57:10
New rangers kit is out tomorrow...

its on ranger tv at 11am

details on rangers website

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Ye better rush out and get it. It be a collecters item last one ever.

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Possibly the last to feature 5 stars...

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25 Apr 2012 19:44:02
Hope if Rangers go down to div 3 the rest of the spl give Celtic a kicking for their bloodlust.

They will be outvoted 11-1 in everything, just wait till they take half of Celtic's home gates and most of any sponsership/tv money.

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Aye cos Celtic will let that happen.Green Jhedi

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@1 will you really have any say?, think you can kiss it goodbye, new rules remember and as you are always saying rules are here to be adhered to. Reap what you sew!!

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GJ
abide by the rules mate!

Warned you ! Be careful what you wish for

bill72

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You wont have a choice in the matter GJ, its spl rules.

As it stands right now Rangers and Celtic can block any vote for change on a 10-2 basis.

Without Gers the voting would be 11-1 and the spl can introduce any new rule they want.

First one will be 50/50 gates just like in the Scottish cup then the gang of 11 will want more tv/sponser money.

That is Why Celtic fc will be the first to vote Rangers back into the spl FACT.

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What does it matter? i can feel the hate coming out of yous...you still cant go by without bring Celtic into everything. yous have HUGE problems look at yourselfs before anywhere else. Celtic will do fine. move on and get over it we have nothing to do with yous and your problems. yous are so sad you are taking on the tim paranoia but instead of directing it at refs you go at Celtic... wake up you sad sad ppl

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I say to you all.IN LAWELL WE TRUST.You really think this will happen?...........green jhedi

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@4: it won't be 50/50 gates as that'll affect the other clubs too.

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25 Apr 2012 19:14:24
Now that the panel 3 has been revealed through social networking sites one member has broke his silence to say all will be revealed within the sfa report and he will not be partaking in any future panels mcoist got his wish hope he is proud as now this member is at risk
Well done you are the ppl

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Ally has done nothing more than Celtic and Lennon have done for years. Celtic fans support Lennon/Celtic for having a go at refs/sfa well 2 can play at that game.

It's about time someone at Rangers stood up and fought back for years we've sat back and did nothing while those who hate us try to destroy the club.

This ban will be overturned now no doubt about it.

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Now that the wicked witch of the west of Scotland has his names, what does he want his flying monkeys to do now? There goes any appeal. Who is going to sit an a panel to pass judgement now knowing what the possible consequences could be. He must be very proud of what he has done. Al

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25 Apr 2012 19:06:12
apparently names of panel leaked from sfa anybody no who they were? {Ed022's Note - Google it?}

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Ed one of the names doing the rounds {Ed001's Note - we know who they are, but we can't post them here, they did no wrong. They made a decision based on the facts they were given, it might not be liked, it might not even be the right decision, but knowing who they are just stirs up bad feeling. This is a time when Rangers need friends, not more enemies!}

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Ed not saying they have done wrong but why cant they be named. Some thing to hide. {Ed001's Note - because of idiots sending them death threats, which has already happened.}

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25 Apr 2012 19:02:52
im very dissapointed in your site ed, i have asked a valid question twice in two days and for some reason you wont accomodate me, you seem more interested in posting stupid theories about nothing.... col.... {Ed022's Note - And what questions were those? If they were not answered they were most likely idiotic, but on the other hand, could be a simple misunderstanding. Just think about how you word questions before you post it again, in case it could be deemed inappropriate.}

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Its been answered to death ya plum scroll down and search it out.

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25 Apr 2012 18:55:43
What players you rekon scotland will miss,
Exactly none,
Players from rangers only play for national team if its a big enough game,
Go on deny it,
Mcgregor only in goals as gordon is not fit,
Like spl national team will not die
Your club is at 100mph
Atleast thatl save yous learning scotland songs before game,
God pay the queen

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Denied! we've supplied more Scotland players than ANY other club over the years.....disprove that!...and as for Scotland songs, we know them all....how many do your mob know?SALTIRES AT SEVILLE anyone?

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Out of all the insults you could throw at us you come up with that!

I will deny it, you're talking tosh.

pappy

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@1; Check youtube,plenty saltires in seville..........green jhedi

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Seen about 15,,,,not great ratio for 200,000 fans(sic).......outnumbered by tricolours 100 to one....hardly a statement of Scottishness.....there were thousands in Manchester.

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Is this a primary school playground? We had more flags than you! Come on guys - that's pathetic and on a par with my dad's bigger than your dad.

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25 Apr 2012 18:55:08
The SPL have asked Dundee FC to be ready to join next years SPL if Rangers go into liquidation.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9224375/Rangers-woe-resurrects-Dundees-Scottish-Premier-League-hopes.html

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25 Apr 2012 18:51:03
there seems to be a lot of anger directed at sfa, they had to do something , i feel this not going to affect us too much , thats just my opinion though, but however upset people feel please dont protest on cup final day, let hearts and hibs enjoy their day. Hopefully we'll have days to enjoy again. blue bear {Ed022's Note - Good post.}

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Agree, don't like the sounds of any of the stuff some of our fans are coming away with. There's only 2 people to blame for this SDM and Whyte (plus their cronnies)

I don't however see the logic in what the SFA are doing, I agree on a form of punishment but what ever anyone else thinks, Scottish football needs a strong oldfirm. It's the only thing anyone outside Scotland is interested in with regards to our football. It just doesn't seem very self serving to hinder us. Rangers, like Celtic are the SPL/SFA's biggest assets. If your teams top player misbehaves, you don't ban him for a year, when a couple of weeks would do.

I say keep the transfer ban if that's what they want, but only untill we get shot of whyte and pay off those debts to SPL clubs, then it should be lifted.

pappy

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25 Apr 2012 18:51:00
Players Leaving Club:

Ortiz, Naismith S, Naismith K, Fleck, Hutton, Currie, Cole, Ntumba, Wiktorski, Gasparotto, Gafaiti, McAusland, Skogsrud T, Skogsrud K, Hemmings, Dick, Mitchell, Hegarty, McCabe, Perry, Little, Ness,, Kerkar, Aluto, Bedoya, Broadfoot, Goian, Alexander, McCulloch, McGregor, Whittaker, Edu, Wallace, Davis, Lafferty, Bocenegra and Papac. {Ed022's Note - That's a lot of players me thinks.}

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You would have been quicker saying who was staying

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25 Apr 2012 18:28:24
Given the obvious feeling by 'all' clubs in the SPL. Perhaps Super should play the under 18s from now till end of season.

That's what they want - go for it

bill72

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25 Apr 2012 18:01:43
Really sick of this cheating rubbish Rangers haters come out with.

If Hibs win the Scottish cup are they cheating as their debt is 3 times bigger than annual turnover, if Hearts win it their debt is 6 times higher than turnover, i await the moral outrage when one of them wins the cup.

As for Celtic they have made loses of over £50m over the last 12 years mostly from singing players they can't afford, Again not much said of that.

As for EBTs they were 100% legal at the time Rangers used them and all payments were placed into the annual accounts for all to see, if Rangers do have to pay any of this money back it won't be from the use of them only that Rangers messed up the wording of them.

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So if they messed up the wording they did something wrong! And those other clubs didn't f*ck up their finances so much that they went into admin and couldn't pay their dues.

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What a load of misguided rubbish.Debt has nothing to do with it,you entered administration because you could not pay running costs.Thats how business works.....green jhedi

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Glad to hear you know all...geez now we can all put this to bed, since you put it so well and the opinions of all the well educated people that say this is the biggest scam and most corrupt in the history of football means nothing. stop looking at other clubs to blame and say what about them, for they can work within thier means to manage thier debts but yous just take players and say to hell wit yous we will pay when we want. the differecne is they havent cheated like use have!
yes they have debts but they manage this, i guess your club not paying other clubs in spl,epl,spanish league and others money they are owed means nothing as well eh? for ur club not paying spl clubs is helping with thier money problems eh and helping with scottishfootball right? u are truley SAD and PATHETIC ppl if you think ur club is inocent for everything they have done, wait till sdm and all other dirt in your club comes out. to put a famous line in a different way...this is the end and the begining is just coming out!

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@1 Motherwell went into admin and sacked 19 players as well as a number of non playing staff then done a cva for much less than owed why no outrage from anyone then.

And green jhedi, Rangers are being accused of cheating for spending money they never had, fair point but Rangers are not the only Scottish club to have done this EVERY spl club has signed players they could not afford even the team you support.

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Right clearly have blue specs on so let me explain.

ebt were 'legal' most accountants told people from celtic,arsenal,rangers etc this was a loop hole that could be used to help bring in bigger players....after a matter of time these same accountants MUST HAVE BEEN ADVISED that there might be a come back on this & worst case is they need to pay what the owe so after the above 2 clubs (used as a example) then withdrew this idea however rangers chairman david murray didnt & now years later its came back to bite him. now onto hmrc.....hmrc have more power than ANYONE (ask or even phone a accountant & ask them how much power the tax man has ie can view you,your business,anyone who is/was a business partner your personal account the list goes on) so they can see how much & who too they have done ebts too & more to the point can see what it says word for word what the contracts say (this is where its make or break) hmrc believe they have lost over 1 billion pounds due to ebts so thats why now they are chasing people up now.

as its a 'loop hole' then rangers were right to use that loop hole but when you try to fight with the person who makes the rules im sure they will tell rangers what to do & not the other way about.

and on top of that the longer whyte stays at rangers then the closer the hmrc case comes to light & lets be honest in less than a year he owes the tax man 9 million so what else has he done before he went to rangers?so now they have him they can hammer him altho he will just pass that hammer to rangers

lenny

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@OP

"As for EBTs they were 100% legal at the time Rangers used them "

What a ridiculous statement , EBT's are legal unless you use them for salaries . Which is why Hector is on standby to drop the LIQUIDATION bomb .

Goodnight Dodo FC

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@2 Then why were the HMRC trying to put us into admin?

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Motherwell's situation was totally different - just because they went into admin doesn't mean it wasn't. Jeez.

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25 Apr 2012 17:46:14
Out of Europe TWICE , lost a cup final (then abused officials) , lost two old firms (after one he abused officials), skevved a 1-0 in another old firm (didn't abuse anyone coz his team "won"), lost a semi final, ( wobbled on to the park to AGAIN abuse officials) , LENNON for manager of the year!? PRICELESS !
PaulRFC

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Obviously SPL are just doing that to annoy Rangers fans ;)

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Ah,was wondering when Mr Lennon would get a mention.By the way it would be Adams for me............green jhedi

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Knocked out of champions league had 4 steak bakes:Knocked out of Europa league had 5 steak bakes and a packet of monster munch: Knocked out of League cup had 6 steak bakes 2 packets of monster munch : Knocked out of Scottish cup had 7 steak bakes 2 packets of monster munch and a can of diet coke:Celtic win league had 8 steak bakes 3 bags of monster munch 2 litres of diet coke and some eggs benedict:Rangers go bust so does The Anticoists belly:PRICELESS!....DH

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Your clubs imploding and you turn to your hatred of lennon,pfffffffff..stevo

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Unfeckinbeleivable!

bill72

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Where do you see hatred in the FACTS that I posted stevo ? Everyone hates our manager boo hoo , get a life man !
PaulRFC

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@4 how insecure you are stevo, the nominations get mentioned on the news and what? because Neil Lennon (In Exileinthestand) is mentioned nobody is allowed to comment. Don't even think the communists were that bad.

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25 Apr 2012 17:34:17
ed, ive been trying to get an aswer all day regarding the question i posted last night, can either you or anyone else confirm that if rangers come into the spl as a newco then the only sanctions they will have is the ones that are to be voted for on 30th april, this would mean that the penalties that were slapped on us yesterday would be declared null and void ? ...col... {Ed001's Note - I did answer it for you mate, you probably missed it because there are so many posts. If the newco buys Rangers history etc, then it takes on the sanctions. If the newco is a new entity, with a new name, then it will not have any sanctions.}

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25 Apr 2012 17:25:02
Jeez you guys need to get a life, picking over the dead bones is not clever, looks like that siege mentality you learned from lenny and John (Taxi to work at our expence - criminal act, never heard the hang him rants??) Reid is taking over your heads, get onto your own boards and allow us to die in peace!
Bluebells are forever blue

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Just like Rangers fans were going to allow Celtic to die in peace in the 90s? {Ed022's Note - An eye for an eye...}

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Makes the whole world blind , so pipe down 022
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - I think that was his point! Celtic fans know how it feels, you would think they would empathise.}

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ED001; Empathise? We had rangers fans sending hearses to Parkhead mate and various wreaths..........green jhedi {Ed001's Note - yes, so you know how it feels. You are like those bullied kids that then become bullies themselves. It makes no sense.}

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25 Apr 2012 17:11:15
Maybe someone could help me out, following in from the SFA's transfer embargo and the £160,000 fine. Have Rangers still to hear the verdict from the SPL as to what punishment if any they are going to dish out?

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25 Apr 2012 17:02:42
Q. Should all rangers players if selected in the next world cup qualifiers and friendly games refuse to play as the punishment reeks of double standards ie Morton, Dundee , Livingston etc ... The airport bear

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25 Apr 2012 17:31:30
I cant believe the outrage from Rangers fans about the transfer embargo. How many clubs are still owed money from the transfers Rangers have brought in in the past couple of seasons? I know that Vienna are still owed over a million and Hearts are still owed 800k anyway. If a club cant be trusted to pay for players they buy then the very least they deserve is a transfer ban.

The timing could have been better but to expect no punishment at all just because it might hinder a takeover is ridiculous.

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25 Apr 2012 16:52:26
So this has just happened in England in the Championship

"Championship clubs making losses of more than £6m will be fined millions of pounds or put under a transfer embargo from the 2014-15 season.

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So therefore, even THEY are taking note of what's happening, so anybody thinking that Rangers have been handed a bad deal, this is what the rest of the footballing world is now considering fair and responsible.

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So your quote state fined millions of pounds...what sort of offical statement would give an unspecified amount ? I know a made up one...

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Interesting to note the embargo starts 2014/15.

Das Shadow {Ed001's Note - that are when the FFP rules take effect for the Champions League as well.}

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Yes ok ,,but that was announced well in advance not during an ongoing administration

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25 Apr 2012 16:25:26
Rangers fans up in arms the manager having a rant but when they were told last year by the then chairman and the greatest ever ranger himself that whyte was no good they didnt listen when the bbc told them they including the manager said it was a witch hunt and promptly banned them from ibrox duff and phelps asked the sfa for clarity on the punishment and when they were told they said why are you telling us now its close to another deadline we have set come on guys i know you are hurting but like us in 1994 by all means protest but against the right people not the sfa or the spl but the board both past and present they are the ones that caused the mess liquidation was always on the cards the administrators have set to many false deadlines and then blamed everyone else because they couldnt deliver what they promised

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Main poster - get 1 thing straight. What happened to your club in '94 is nothing like what is happening now. There is no comparison.

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@1 ya your right! but why does use always bring it up? and why do yous always bring up Celric and other clubs comparing them to yous? cause yous cant be compared to anyone else because this is the BIGGEST scam and corruptness in the history of football. yet yous still think you should not be punished and drag other teams in to shout out hate. so wake up and go after sdm, did he not have 20+years ownership? yet he did this and is getting away with it because to yous he is a legend, all your legends let you down by the way they ran it. yous want the truth go after sdm, do yous think whyte knows what has been going on for years and how bad it is? yes he wants to make money and yous all say that so why not go after the guy who sold it to him and help destroy your club even more. yous are so "duped" because he sold it and now is getting away with it with his scapegoat whyte. when will yours heads llift from the sand?

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25 Apr 2012 16:16:19
Rusty the tim here!!rite rangers fans listen to me,the signing ban isn't to do with administration it's to do with not paying clubs ticket money,transfer money etc.it's not the sfa fault that d&p haven't announced a preferred bidder is it!!this has went on from the 14th feb!!!should the whole world stop till rangers get a bidder they want then we should start all the investigations??end of the day apart from dm and cw the other people stalling is tbk and bm. Put up or shut up with a suitable offer that d&p can accept!!!I'm glad you's can see into the future with the predictions of no tv money,no sponsorship money,no spl.....the fact is,if you's do get liquidated you's hope these thing happen to make you's feel big!!obviously the other 11 teams don't think that way!!apart from rangers how many people have backed you's???exactly look in the mirror we all can't be wrong!!!numptys!!!!hail hail rusty I love the sfa tim

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Now rusty with your crystal balls you should have seen all this coming ,why didnt you inform us or were you too busy in your tent on the prom at blackpool reading fortunes , with your knowledge will you post on here the 3 members of your sfa pals who were on the tribunials or do you not have the b-lls for that fail fail again rusty you need some wd40 lol doug

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Remind me rusty the dhim, how long ago was it your own supporters were grunting at the san giro, f**K the sfa, that pro Rangers establishment who are totally against Celtic. Now that Mr Lawwell is running the show with his puppet Regan oh how things have changed. So crawl back under your cardboard box at the barras with your laptop. Are you Regans lovechild?

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Naw hes 1 of lennons love children ,by the way will rusty post on here what colour of hair hes got oh that reminds me i need some carrots for my mince lol doug

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25 Apr 2012 16:13:35
Just seen Donald Trump walking down Paisley rd west. You should see the nick of his barnet in the wind. He obviously got off the wring subway station on his way to ibrox.

BFG

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Sure it wasnt archie mc pherson lol doug

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Who's he with his personal assistant Lord Lucan!

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25 Apr 2012 16:07:23
Ally is said to leaning towards starting life next season in division three, I say lets do it. Within three to four years we would be back in the Premier League debt free and ready for an assault on the championship. Four years is not too great a price to pay to keep our great history and I know the true blues would stick with the team. The SFA and the SPL want their cake and to eat it, they know fine without Rangers in Scottish football the game will suffer a slow liigering death, but at the same time they want the presence of Rangers in the top division for the TV deals, attendances at away grounds etc. It is obvious this weeks punishments are designed to keep us in the league but to make sure we have no chance of any silver wear. So Ally lets go for it and by the way we will bring in extra money to the lower divisions on our way back to where we belong, but I wonder how many teams will have survived without our financial input

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Remind me...how does dropping out of the SPL clear our debts and protect our history??
I may have missed something but a "newco" would start at the bottom right? How would that be keeping our history?
J1985

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25 Apr 2012 15:28:28
i heard the SPL trophy is keeping Neil Lennon awake at night with its constant crying " im lonely and i want to go home"

T.D

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That's nonsense because it has a massive European trophy to keep it company: you know, the one that SDM was desperate to win and started the ball rolling for the mess that exists at Rangers today?

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It's tears of joy mate,it thought it was for the smelter and a visit to cash converters........green jhedi

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More like it was laughing full of joy that it got out of the corrupt place that is Ibrox.

I mean loosing an 18 point lead and 10 point deduction for going into administration, well worth a chuckle id say

Rebel_Red

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Naw its in the pawn shop at parkheid x lennon was advised by cw he could make some money on it doug

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Your European trophy is made of papermashie wrapped in bacofoil (massive size) (shiny side to the inside)

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@5: if that's what replicas are mace of then that'll be what's in Rangers' cabinet too, until they're sold to primary schools for reusing in projects.

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@6 Naw, we didn't pay our taxes so we could afford to get replicas made.

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25 Apr 2012 15:11:06
If we end up down in div 3 and work our way up it would mean more titles added to our 54 , if we keep following the team as we do at the moment we wíll be as strong as ever in about 3 years and challenging at the top of the spl as usual

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As strong as ever? Care to explain how this is going to happen? Go on, let your imagination run wild.

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Keep with the club guys, ignore the small minded wee cellic fans trying to wind us up.

we will be back one day, sooner than they think!

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25 Apr 2012 15:06:56
Guy that ran the SPL survey explains on the hibbee forum how he rigged the questions, yeah credible survey

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25 Apr 2012 14:36:18
{Ed001's Note - so you expect them to just not punish you? Don't talk soft, there is nothing idiotic about the punishment, Rangers were lucky not to get a far worse one.}


Ed do you really think Rangers could have got a far worse punishment Please elaborate but remember this punishment has nothing to do with EBTs or tax evasion this is about Craig whyte and the failure to pay certain clubs moneys owed.

on another thought ED do you think this is the SFA way of weakening the hold the SPL has on scottish football if this embargo is up held either way Rangers will end up in the SFL

1) division 3 via a newco
2(if given ticket to stay in SPL relegated to division 1 after 1 season because of spl sanctions points deductions and sfa transfer embargo etc

this will inevitably cause great financial strain on other spl clubs with reduced sponsorship reduced tv monies which could cause various spl clubs to go part time at best at worst fold and reform in the sfl.

if Rangers go down to sfl or out of business completely i can see the SPL implode

your thoughts on this would be appreciated

T.D {Ed001's Note - Rangers could easily have been demoted from the top flight, which is the usual punishment and would have almost certainly forced the club into liquidation. What they have been doing is bending over backwards to keep Rangers in the top flight. For understandable reasons, there seems to be a definite movement to ensure that either Rangers or a newco can stay within the SPL. The embargo means little, it is little more than a slap on the wrists really, you can't sign players while in admin, the club has very little chance of exiting admin before the transfer window. But, if it does exit admin beforehand, they can hold onto the players they already have.}

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At last, some sense amongst the nonsense. There are other Rangers fans - and non-Rangers fans - who've been saying the same as the Ed. but the 'make everyone suffer because they want us to die' mob seems to be holding sway.

1903 {Ed001's Note - it's only natural for people to only see one side of things, a lot are too close to it and it means so much to them. That makes it difficult to have some perspective and understand that actually it isn't all that bad, it shouldn't affect the club's future at all.}

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25 Apr 2012 15:03:26
donald trump was at hollyrood today discusing the windmill matter with his golf course, supposively at the end of the hearing he said he might by rangers, was on bbc 2 10 minutes ago, obviouly u take it with a pinch of salt eh.

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God please not, Ibrox renamed as Trumpton.

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Well as an ex bankrupt he seems to have the right credentials.........green jhedi

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Trump International Trading Stadium.

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@2 Appears not to have hindered him.

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25 Apr 2012 14:56:02
I would like to ask Rangers fans what they believe would be a fit and proper punishment for the rules that have been broken. I know its not the fans or players faults but Rangers must be punished suitably and without favoritism. I believe that Ally McCoist suggesting that the panel be named shocking after recent events, this was overseen by a senior law man in Lord Nimmo and to insinuate any wrong doing is slanderous

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Was not overseen by lord Nimmo so that's wrong for a start. Can't any of you lot read?

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Nobody is suggesting any wrong doing so stop getting your pants in a twist over it. Ally was asking for clarification you may be familiar with the term.

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Yep easy solution, allow rangers to compete and trade under new management with no points deduction. Each year 10% of profits be set aside to pay creditors £/£ until debt is repaid. HMRC would be last and Celtic ( you keep boasting on here you don't need us ) just b4 them, simples.

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There's no slander in Scotland that's an over used English legal term that carries no authority in Scotland.

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25 Apr 2012 14:42:03
Can't believe the goalie as he's known to rangers is coming out with this " be careful what you wish for" nonsense, the actions of rangers and rangers alone, will spell a difficult chapter in Scottish football for most of the clubs, u do the crime u do the time comes to mind, u all celebrated and praised Murray during his illegal fraudulent reign, so take the lenient punishment being handed down play by the rules

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Some people before just going off on a rant, really should look up the legal term defamation, it may save them court time ,

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25 Apr 2012 14:28:48
If as all the septic fans on this rangers board keep on repeating,that ally is such a bad manager then how is it that this terrible manager has done over your team twice this season and was cheated out of another result as tv replays clearly showed? mdw1872

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Cos yez were playing a team of internationals yez couldni actually afford, meaning an operating deficit of over £10m annually. At the same time racking-up huge, unsustainable debts and avoiding taxes on top of this

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Maybe because he lost a massive lead in the league.

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Trophies won? European run? Scottish cup run? League cup run? Lost a 15 point lead in title race. Your right. Hes a great manager

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How was he cheated out of a result? If that 'goal' had been given, would the match have ended there. How do you know that Celtic wouldn't have scored 4 after that? (Answer: you don't but you'll say you do because they're rubbish blah, blah, blah...)

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Main poster - good point.
@1 So rfc operated £10m in the red for the duration of DM and incurred unsustainable debt for the same period, and obviously I take it you are meaning the use of EBT's(still awaiting a decision on, RFC could be 100% liable or 50%liable plus penalties and interest)
have you got the figures for your calculations? cheers.
Editor (Rangers Tax Case Blog)

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25 Apr 2012 14:22:28
you all need to get a grip and stop coming on here to argue with each other, its a rumours page, every rangers fan has to pull together and show we will not just sit back and watch the SFA destroy out club, its a f***** joke, regan and lawell have alterior motive they want no rangers, well lets go to the 3rd division, let the other 10 teams in the spl who rely on RANGERS and CELTIC see giw well they do when sky pulm the plug in the tv deal, and they dont have 3 thousand rangers fans buyin tickets to go to there s**tty wee stadiums , buyin grub and juice and so on at there grounds, take away rangers and wave bye bye to the scottish league, good riddens i say joke of a footballing governing body anyway,atleast craig whytes got that one right

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It has nothing to do with lawell this is between Rangers and the SFA you sound 'paranoid'

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And if it#s bye-bye to the Scottish league, it'll be bye-bye to Rangers too. 'Be careful what you wish for' lol

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So Lawell is not on the board of the SFA?Thanks for correcting that I thought he was.

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25 Apr 2012 14:18:08
What i don't understand is, if certain staff members knew that we were defrauding the government etc, surely every creditor should go after them to claim back all the money due to them, rather than punish the existing staff etc ?

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Most of the staff are still there. You don't think Whyte or any of the other directors dealt with the day to day accounts of the club.
"Hello Mr Whyte, its the face painter here. Can I have my forty quid, please."
There are accounts staff who deal with that. Don't think the creditors would get much out of the accounts assistant on about £13,000pa.
Al

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What staff members are still at Ibrox now from mid nineties ? get a life clown.

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Just a suggestion a text book regarding company law etc , may prove invaluable as to why your post is well nonsense in legal terms .

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25 Apr 2012 13:55:31
Callum Murray to referee Old Firm game.

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True.

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25 Apr 2012 13:54:45
The SPL, SFA and SFL are 3 completely separate bodies. Who is to say that the SFL would not promote Rangers to the SFL1 on 'Footballing Merits' if they choose to resign from the SPL next season and apply for a place within the SFL league structure.

This may seem far fetched...but it was actually a scenario that occured with Fiorintina Viola in Italy after their liquidation.

With one space vacated in the SPL a member of the SFL1 would be promoted to enable the SPL to fulfil its placings/fixture list.

Rangers in the SFL1 could possibly bring new investment/sponsor/interest within the SFL's.

The SFA transfer embargo would still stand and Rangers would probably sell most of there stars...possibly keeping some old heads. The likes of McCulloch, Papac, Healy (and yes Broadfoot too) to enable them to guide the young one's to a challenge of the SFL1.

The prospect of Rangers not winning the SFL1 in the 1st season with a weakend team, may just persuade the other teams to allow them allocation of a place in the top of the SFL league structure.

Think about it....

W-Lyl

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Possibilities, however they might be seperate bodies on paper and as we know, Scottish football is not big enough to have those 3 bodies seperate therefore those that make the decisions in the other 2 will still have a form of influence in the SFL. I also think that the 3 groups will have to show a level of consistency.
On paper reasonable call.

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Thought about it. No, not going to happen.

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25 Apr 2012 13:22:19
Is it just me but is it not amazing that SDM is keeping very quiet about the mess HE has got us into

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I find it even more amazing how yous dont go after him and just let him get away with it...why is this? for he is the one that raked up your debt and ebts and double contracts. once this whyte thing is over wait to see what comes out of murrey and all the dodgyness of his doings but yous would say that he did things prooper most likley.

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He's away spending his pound, wake up, whytes a patsy , taking all murrays flack for hefty price of millions to his bank account when he liquidates the club.

Ska bhoy

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25 Apr 2012 13:03:39
SPL clubs voted unanimously for the new SFA disciplinary process that was used against Rangers, that sees the members of the panel maintain anonymity. So Rangers have agreed to that process.

A Rangers official was present on Monday when the decision was delivered, and therefore Rangers know who the panel members were that made the decision.

McCoist's demands to reveal the identity of the panel is about as low as you can get. This is a clear attempt at intimidation, not of the panel who made the decision, but against the appeals panel that will hear their appeal and future decisions due to be delivered by the SFA and SPL.

McCoist knows there are absolute nutcases within the Rangers support who will only too gladly try and intimidate those in the decision making process.

Those nutcases have already sent parcel bombs to the Celtic Manager, bullets to the celtic Manager and Players, and two seperate assaults on the Celtic Manager.

And as for that excuse of a human being Mark Dingwall, releasing a statement in which he brings Neil Lennon into it, it's clearly designed to associate Rangers hatred of Lenny to the SFA. Absolutely disgusting. I would be thoroughly ashamed to have this man represent my football club. In fact, what gives this sealf elected bampot the right to speak for any Rangers supporter.

But most of all for McCoist, when bleating about the end of Rangers, he should remember when Celtic were in trouble in 1994 McCosit commented "I can't say I'm not enjoying it."

What goes around comes around wee fat Sleekit face.

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Ehh wait a minute. I presume you are a Celtic fan, did your club not want every ref in Scotland to declare the team they supported as a youngster? Don't search for the moral high ground here pal when your club tried to seek personal information to be shared in public as my point highlighted.
J1985

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Ref's in England have to declare their support for any club no matter what the division.......green jhedi

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You must be really ashamed and disgusted with the comments from Joe O'Rourke the general secretary of official Celtic supporters association them. trying to take the moral high ground when it suits you are we. Maybe look at your own back yard.

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2. is right about refs in england.if it's true that threats have been made , ally is in very hot water. he made those remarks out of anger yes but has once again displayed the stupidity he admits to as a player. he either has no idea about procedure in the sfa (of which rangers are a member, it's not an alien organisation) or he tried to stir up trouble. either way he's not going to last as a manager, that can be seen now.

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25 Apr 2012 13:02:45
Once again it's everyone else's fault kicking us when were down did not give airdrie much thought when they were liquidated due to your chairmans repeated warning as he thought they were playing on our good nature lmao! Mcoist wanting the panel named is like asking the ref what team he supports yet these three guys life could be at risk if which I doubt will are named. As for Walter he jumped before all this came out and left Sally with the pieces
He knew about this let's give him a knighthood
Now to try and boycott other smaller teams is just sour grapes not there fault you are on the brink but cripple them just shows the way the ppl think. Take your punishment pay your debt and get some credibility back

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Right Sherlock, to pay back monies owed would require a strong team competing not only in SPL but Europe as well. So Sherlock how would we manage with youngsters and a transfer embargo? Another Dhimwit from kerrydale st whose brain freeze hasn't thawed yet.

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Main poster Airdrie went to smeltic for help offering them the stadium at a reduced price when you were looking for a new training ground. You knocked them back, obviously not giving them much thought.
The training ground cost around £6m and was to costly for them to maintain.
Murray's company Carnegie was owed £30k by Airdrie and basically he used RFC but he applied for an interdict and got one. The matter was viewed as a private matter between two clubs by the governing bodies.
New Airdrie got rid of Clydebank by buying them over and then relocating thro to Airdrie.

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Well you have been in admin nearly 3 months 2 players have left which seems strange most admins there is a clear out wages saved could pay some creditors sell Murray park could have sold high earners in January because they all knew this was coming no what do you do try to sign a player when u just went into admin unbelievable I don't want a newco I relish the challenge to overtake your league triumphs after all only 4 games a season I get excited about

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@1;To pay back money would be in the hands of real rangers supporters.Full houses in every div 3 game with a young team on regular wages would help greatly.Add in cup games and friendlies to counter europe and fund raising events and you could easily pay it.Remember if every fan in manchester paid £1 per week it would soon vanish,so you are the dimwit,or are your fans not that "loyal"? @2; Why would we rent a training ground when Lennoxtown was always planned?........green jhedi

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@2: Celtic's actions didn't really help to put Airdrie out of business though.

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@4 No it wasn't and you know that. Also the information is taken from one of your own sites and the Administrators.

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And why would we rent it in airdrie, s**thole

Ska bhoy

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Lol. celtic turn down an offer to purchase airdrie property as it's unsuitable, and it's their fault for their demise. you should apply for a job at the daily record. the point of the thing with murray is that airdrie were shown no favours by rangers, setting a precedent and getting the petard out the box ready for self use.

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25 Apr 2012 13:01:41
Hi all find this page so amusing !! Few questions !
Why do u all feel so hard done when your club gas cheated for 10 years or so?
You all blame every other club in spl/sfl for your clubs fall from the top table ! Why not David Murray ?
Why wouldnt the league survive without you lot ?
This rumour of marching at hampden during cup final day to protest is childish beyond belief !
Why should rangers be above the law ? Remember airdrie
Pay what's owed or go to 3rd division !

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Cheated for 10 years? I wasn't aware the outcome of the Big Tax Case had been announced?

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Main poster - do you remember Airdrie. They went to smeltic for help and offered you their new stadium when you were looking for a new training ground. Not interested.

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Oh so its celtics fault airdrie went bust now? best yet troops

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@2; Are you mad? Lennoxtown was planned for years and barrowfield was there so why spend money renting? That sort of thing gets you into debt you know!..........green jhedi

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Why would Celtic want a stadium they couldn't use all the time to train in? What about times when Celtic played on a Sunday and would need use of the ground on a Saturday but couldn't because Aridrie were playing at home? Nonsense.

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@2: the result of the BTC is known - Rangers have accepted they owe £24m. It's the other fines etc. that we're waiting to hear about as the club appealed against all of them.

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@4 New Broomfield was offered to CFC to buy not to rent.
@5 Airdrie were burst, closed. The sale was to reduce the debt.
@6 Wrong.

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@7: not wrong - Rangers lodged an APPEAL (that's what a first-tier tribunal is). Why would they appeal if they had won? Prove it's wrong...

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25 Apr 2012 12:49:09
Kyla Lafferty offered contact at Blackpool - in the winter doing panto.

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As Back end of the horse .. .Broadfoot also has an invitation

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A horse with two arses

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25 Apr 2012 12:42:50
Fellow Rangers fans after reading the online polls of other SPL teams why don't D&F offer the other SPL teams a deal. 9-3 voting structure for a newco entry? This would hurt the tims the most strengthen the diddy SPL teams for a year or so until we come back leaner and fitter for the future?

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What has any of your mess got to do with celtic? how can duff and duffer offer any other club any thing?

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Not a bad idea, D&P have said they would vote to keep the 10-2 but if we leave SPL the diddy SPL will have an 11-1 vote to change to 9-3 anyway, let's vote 9-3 sicken Celtic start as hybrid newco in SPL with backing of Diddy 10.

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25 Apr 2012 12:35:54
I think the Blue Knight should take over, sell best players as per their contracts, go down to Division 3 use monies from sale to assist in paying off debts. Have the share sale as the fans groups want, the SPL would then lose TV rights, do not apply to enter Scottish Cup for 3 years, let the clubs left in the SPL die, just look after ourselves getting our house in order. No Rangers no TV deal, less sponsors money to clubs, more clubs will go to the wall, Celtic will then be left with the others ganging up and their gate receipts will again be split 50/50 they will have to reduce wage bill or go into debt. Let them all rot, we will come back healthier and stronger by doing a Gretna but with bigger crowds. The Youth players will have had 3 to 4 years with a mix of some older players to mature. We will be able to attract the best players in the lower leagues /bottom of SPL to us to get us up quickly.

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And what are you going to come back to in 3 to 4 years time if you have already done your best to destroy Scottish football. What a bunch of uneducated idiots you are you think that the whole football world revolves around rangers. Other clubs in Scotland would loose around £100k per season without rangers and would cut their cloth to suit, something that rangers have failed to do for a number of years, hence the position they are now in.

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You say the SPL would basically die but want to return there - to what? You are harking on (almost gleefully) about killing other clubs because your club is in a mess, then talking about ambitions to return to a league you hope has been destroyed. Did you learn joined-up thinking at school?

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And come back to what ? In your scenario it wouldn't be worth the bother surely.BlackpoolBear

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Lets see if I got your jist correct....Rangers break the rules owe everyone money and you want the other teams in the SPL to suffer? Just about sums you up really.
I will explain one thing to you...The SKY TV deal is signed already! an £80M deal over 5 years (hardly anything special) however the deal was signed guaranteeing the teams played each other 4 times a year NOT signed guaranteeing 4 old firm matches a year. The SFA could never sign up to a TV deal which would guarantee league status to one or two of its memebers. Therefore IF SKY tried to pull their deal i'm sure the SFA will see them in court.

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And the rest of the teams in the spl will have forgot what yous did and welcome yous back i dont think so

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LMFAO, are you for real, if SKY wanted to pull the plug they will, even if that means owing Scottish football, what, £5m, lol, i think they can afford it. They wouldn't need to transport their equipment & manpower to Scottish grounds, saving them millions anyway.

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@1 And how do clubs make the cut back? sign less quality players, making a poorer league, sponsorship money will be cut, who would pay money into a poor product, maybe you need to see the bigger picture. Scottish football needs Rangers just as much as Celtic.

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@4 Can assure you there will be get out clauses by SKY.

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@8..agreed there will be get out clauses but as i have explained the SFA can not sign a TV deal which would guarantee any of its members SPL status...Sky signed up to deal which ensured they got (what they thought) would be 4 old firm games per year, the deal was designed to prevent the league restructuring to expand the number of teams. Nothing in that agreement will say the words OLD FIRM matches or RANGERS or CELTIC, or the other clubs in the SPL would have something to say about it if the SFA did a deal which looked after Rangers and Celtics SPL status. I can assure you that the SFA would pursue SKY for £80M not £5M if they tried to renange on the deal. Also, the bad publicity SKY would get in Scotland for attempting to pull out of a deal which would harm Scottish Football would result in mass cancellations of their service.
There will not be a get out clause which says no Rangers (or any other club for that matter) playing in the SPL then we will pull the plug.
I know it pains you to take logical information and process it correctly but i can assure you no Rangers does not mean no SKY TV deal....besides the original SKY TV deal prior to Setanta was about £140M...they are still getting it on the cheap at £80M. Another thing to consider re your moronic SKY will pull the plug wishfull thinking is this, SKY are currently sh*ting themselves about live streaming of games online which would negate the need for a sky subscription anyway. £80M over 5 years for SKY is a parking ticket (not enough to make them pull the deal, renegotiate maybe..pull it alltogether..no chance)

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25 Apr 2012 12:26:12
ED

Just wondering what the ramifications would be if Rangers were to resign their place in the SPL and apply to join the SFL
Would that be possible? {Ed001's Note - it would be possible, but what happens if they don't accept your application to join?}

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Them not accepting us would be like Knocking back a winning lottery ticket possible but highly unlikely the poll should that nearly 95% of SFL supporters didnt want us to go straight back into SPL a wonder why. Would be great for Scottish football in general would also free us from ridiculous SKY deal were 60% of viewing figures gets us 16% of cash with the sky deal collapsing would leave us free to restart negotiations that took place before the start of season obviously be on reduced terms but sure to be better than 4% of the BBC/BBC ALBA DEAL ON top of that would have clubs looking to switch their home games to Ibrox (more revenue) the longer they go unbeaten the more ££ they get for advertising reduced wage bill almost certainly not a disaster for us as for other SPL clubs am not so sure another plus point would be no uefa license means that new owner can put whatever $$ he wont's into club without having to worry about fairplay rules

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25 Apr 2012 12:22:03
To all the gers fans saying rangers should go down to division 3 because it would kill the spl and Scottish football as a whole, well just remember the only end goal for you is back to the spl, if it has no money or is dead as you put it then where does that leave a rangers team that has been re-structured for the lower leagues- no money and dead like everyone else if your right on how rangers leaving will effect the spl

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Brings us straight back to were we were in the 90s and naughties dominating Scottish football

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With what money to dominate, Celtic will have had 4 years European money etc over rangers even if rangers win back to back titles from 3rd division. Remember you won't keep your top team and will have to live within your means throughout the assent but will only stagnate again if the spl is dead on it's feet. Rangers fans are not thinking logically if they think they will keep any big players or have serious investment unless they are debt free in the spl and we have a strong league with good amount of revenue coming in.

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But dominating with money spent you couldn't afford to spend, remember - that's what started all of the mess the club is in now, the lust for domination and doing anything to achieve it.

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Couldnt agree more with No.2....Last 14 years, 7 Titles to Rangers, 7 Titles to Celtic....Rangers have been making the rules up to suit themselves over this period of time whislt Celtic have lived within their means. Basically, Rangers have been cheating to Keep pace with Celtic not to dominate over the past 14 years....Rangers living within their means will struggle to stop Celtic.

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25 Apr 2012 12:16:00
for a 'banter' and rumours page - some of the comments coming from non rangers fans are quite sickening.
there is obviously a bloodlust out there by a large number of poor deluded people (not just celtic fans, (which I would kinda expect)

the majority of rangers accept that punishment is expected and are willing to accept a FAIR crack o the whip.
however this continued chipping away 10 points deduction , then when
unconditonal offers were in, SPL announce changes and possible further sunctions in the middle of a season (illegal? -probably), fas tforward a couple o weeks and a decision on 2 final bidders and bang another sanction/fine/transfer embargo
it just looks a bit strange - how many times have we to be 'done' for the same crime

bill72

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But your not getting done for the same crime. The ten points is for being in admin. The rest is basically for not paying tax and owing 3.3MILLION to other football clubs,mostly for unpaid transfer fees. You are still playing some of the players you havent paid for and you have even sold one! Lets put it this way, Celtic were offered Jelavic before Rangers were. They couldnt afford the fee so said no. Rangers were then offered him, they couldnt afford the fee but took him anyway. Maybe a better punishment would be a transfer embargo until all football debt is paid in full? This would probably be longer than the twelve months you have at the moment. RFC need to stop blaming everyone else for thier problems and start looking within.

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Bill72: some of the arrogance of Rangers fans is sickening too, as are the posts wishing misery on other clubs and businesses served by football. Hasn't your club done enough damage without the fans wishing even more on those who've done nothing wrong, just like Rangers fans?

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Well said and in modaration to if the rest said it this way maybe more fans would take it on board and we would be marching on charlotte square rather than hampden
when the fans pan in Murrays fancy windows
then we have got it......well said ......les

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@1.)Rangers are owed £3.8m in transfer fees that's how transfers work so should clubs owning Rangers money be penalised don't think so.Take it your talking about Wallace playing monies to Hearts not due to June/July but hay don't let facts get in your way off thinking .

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@4) Perhaps you should get your facts right. The 3.8 million owed to you will be paid when due. Wallace aside(and lets face it you havent got the money to pay him when it is due) you are behind on payments to Aresenal, Rapid Vienna and others. You also have other footballing debts to several SPL clubs (ticket money). Thats why you have been punished. Grow up and except it. By the way when you either fold and restart as a newco or get a CVA and only partailly pay the debts to other clubs you will recieve a further European ban from EUFA. I am sick of you lot trying to make excuses for thge mess YOUR club has got itself into. Before you go down the "bitter timmy" line, I am a St Mirren supporter. Most of the SPL is sick of you. and its "Hey" not "Hay".

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The difference is these clubs expect to pay in full Rangers dont ,can you see now or will I draw a picture?

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@2. Unfortunately there are fans now who have succumbed to a 'siege mentality' and have stated if Rangers go down then sod everyone else. I understand their reasoning, although i dont agree with it. Everyone is getting their kicks in and its pi**ing them off, it's the fans who are suffering badly. Maybe if the authorities actually tried to do/say something to help rehabilitate Rangers rather than appearing to hinder the sale of the club to potential buyers, then the fans would not be so angry towards them. Make no mistake i do not agree Rangers should escape punishment scot free - but surely a more sensible approach would be more desirable. Docked points - yes, Relegated - yes, Fines - yes. But no Transfer Imbargo whilst not in Administration - No. Don't keep kicking the dog when it's down.

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25 Apr 2012 11:57:43
The Mayan prophesy of end of the world in 2012. Scientists have deciphered the remaining text... It's addressed to Rangers fc.............Meg

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In the words of Peter Griffin, SHUT UP MEG!!

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25 Apr 2012 11:56:11
One question for all you mccoist believers out there.If ally is so angry why does he not name the SFA panel cos he knows who they are? This guy has been playing you like a violin since administration started.Remember his trust and belief that whyte was the right man to take rangers forward? Or his statement that whyte had explained things to him and admin would not be a problem,indeed you would emerge in a "stronger" position? Or his backing of the blue knights,or was it bill ng oh wait a minute here's bill millar? This guy is looking after number one while playing a clever game in the media.If anybody pitched up at ibrox he would back them,cos he is i'm afraid interested in ally first........green jhedi

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Spot on green jhedi,ally knows he will never have another high profile job in football,under whyte he kept his mouth shut to save his own skin.Administration is the best thing to have happened for ally....his one liners seem to have blinded most fans...he will say anything and as proved earlier say nothing to keep himself in the big house...thats the bottom line.

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Cant agree more except that he managed to lose a 15 point lead to your mob as well.Said it for months not the man for the job.

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Is he not just seeking "clarification"? so beloved of you lot?how many people could have forecast the events of the last few weeks? looking after NO.1? gosh, shocker! he could have walked anytime, as , contrary to the laughable polemic put about by your mob in particular, he is a well-liked guy, and would probably walk back into a media job...maybe he's just a Rangers man, who took things at face value for the sake of the club....not the world's best manager, but who could be under his circumstances? Whatever, he'll always be revered for showing up successive generations of clodhopping Celtic defenders, and it matters not a ot what the Green Hordes think of him.

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Thats how he will only get a slap on the wrist. cause they dont know wit face to slap.

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No3...he might be revered for showing up successive generations of clodhopping Celtic defenders,but is he now revered for his tactical awareness in the dugout/stand or for his cheerleading and one liners?dont put on a show for the cameras like ally does,be honest with yourself first and foremost.

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Main poster - see the statements you are referring to can you copy n paste or give us a link to them?
I can remember Ally saying that he wanted to talk to each of the bidders.

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5-read my post...."not best manager in world"....and be honest with yourself, you did'nt, did you?

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25 Apr 2012 11:46:28
Rusty the tim here!!the comments below are the reasons why nobody actually gives a tosh if rangers die!!honestly why would you try and cripple innocent companies who have tried to support Scottish football and give entertainment on the tv to us decent fans who live within there means and pay there way!!!the more it goes on the more people actually hate you with all your attitudes towards this!!please tell me who is to blame for this and reasons...p.s protest on cup final day!!just another excuse for you thugs to cause uproar and that's why we can't stand you's hail hail rusty the tim

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Rangers fans have done nothing wrong, it was the people who ran the club for years who have run the club into the ground. We are all fed up with the situation but even more so because every other fan in Scotland are wanting us to die, that's why we are very angry against you.

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Rusty the Tim , yet again you take the moral high ground stating you are some how decent fans that pay their way , are we different ? don't the bears fans pay their way also ? our attitude is hardening at this time as we can plainly see that the vulture within Scottish Football and guys like you have a inbred hatred of Rangers are taking it in turns to have ago.
You can'y really hide your relief that any competition to you mongrel club is being removed , but think ,what excuses will you spout when you don't win everything and your manager remains a laughing stock for his antics - Treble anyone

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I'll be gentle, guessing from the rambling nature of your post that you are maybe 9/10 years old?
Dun Utd and St Johnstone...weekend's big derbt, both going for Europe, cut-price tickets etc....under 6000 crowd....Rangers carry a bigger away support than anyone else in Scotland, so clubs tend to get their biggest home gates against us, including Celtic(all can be checked). Our fans, apart from this season's goings on, have paid up for the priviledge of being occasionally ripped off for years....al that will go next season....you don't get it, do you? you know, Motherwell take 20000 to 1991 final , and get 4300 at next home game...the action the SFA are taking might remove 250.000 paying customers from the SPL nex season.....and there are probably more Rangers fans in Scotland than the combined total of people that "hate" us.

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@2

"you mongrel club"

Oh dear . what does that mean ?

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Yip Rangers cheating has basically killed off Scottish football, yet you all seem proud. Some humilaty at the crimes of your club would be a good start on the road to recovery.

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@3;blah,blah, but whats your point.............green jhedi

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@3: and what are all these Rangers fans doing to help the club? Where are the mass (lol) protests? How much is in the fighting fund? It seems they don't like the club that much to actually do anything to help save it.

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25 Apr 2012 11:41:41
Ed - query for you... If RFC go down Liquidation and newco route would the transfer ban still apply to the newco? Or would the transfer ban fall away with the luiquidated club leaving the newco free to sign new players with any cash invested? {Ed001's Note - if the newco is taking Rangers history and name, they will have the ban in place. If it is a complete newco, with a new name and no history, then no, it will not apply.}

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25 Apr 2012 11:39:33
Many feel that if Rangers were to leave the SPL then football in Scotland would die. I don't think so. Yes there would be less money but as a matter of principle I don't think the supporters of other clubs would let that happen. They'll cut thier cloth to suit and Rangers won't be allowed to join in. Rangers will just have to play with themselves at Ibrox.

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If rangers where to go down to the 3rd division it would be a massive boost for all the smaller clubs in that division,promotion to the 2nd then the 1st would give scottish football in general a much needed cash injection.Instead of rangers finishing scottish football off they actually might save it in the long run.

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Main poster - If RFC does go down then the teams in the spl would have the same crowds as is pressent, bar 2 or 3 with small increases cos they would be chasing a euro spot. Over time CFC crowds would go down prob around the 20k to 25k for spl games. Big crowd for the euro prelim round and the same for eorpa qualifier.

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25 Apr 2012 11:32:13
If Whyte has been banned from any activity within Scottish football, then why can he hold stock of a Scottich football team

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"Scottish"

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Because the stock/shares of a company comes under different regulations, I would guess.

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He can have shares. but cant be on the board.

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SFA have no powers as far as I'm aware to interfere in the corporate governance of a football club, would think its FSA that would take care of that at corporate level . {Ed001's Note - they can block the club from competing by refusing it a license to take part in any of their competitions, unless Whyte sells his shares.}

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25 Apr 2012 11:28:59
heres my tip to the sfa to solve the rangers mess,go ahead and dump theAnd I say OK. Bring it on.

But if you do, remember it was what YOU wanted.

The £160,000 fine imposed on the club on Monday, as well as the 12-month ban on signing players, will accomplish only one thing.

It will make finding someone willing to take over Rangers so much harder.

It also brings liquidation one step closer.

Im at the stage where Im so sick of picking up newspapers and reading more body-blows aimed at the club that I tell you enoughs enough.

Impose the big sanction. Do your worst.

Order a Rangers newco to start in Division Three.

Well, why not?

Im at the stage now where Im actually quite looking forward to the prospect.

The £160,000 fine doesnt look as though itll hold much water. Rangers will probably appeal it.

And even if they dont, wheres £160,000 supposed to come from when the clubs in the grubber?

As for the 12-month signing ban, there werent going to be any marquee signings, anyway, so thats another empty gesture.

But if the club had to start in Division Three, all I can see is a nightmare ahead for Scottish football.

Immediately, SKY will tear up the big-money TV deal that stipulates there must be four Old Firm games a season.

SPL clubs will suddenly discover that money theyd banked on isnt there.

Some top clubs have found it hard enough to pay their players WITH the TV deal in place. How the hell are they going to do it without that money rolling in?

Across the city, Celtic face a wilderness of cantering to the title every season.

It sounds great for them.

But it isnt what the Joe Ledleys and the Gary Hoopers came to Scotland for.

They came for competitive big-game action, games their mates down south can see on the telly.

That means the Old Firm games which will no longer be there.

So suddenly theyre up here banging in goals against St Mirren and Inverness, then having to ring their families down south to tell them about it.

Because no-one down there will know or care about a one-horse SPL.

That has a massive effect on every aspect of the game here. Crowds will dwindle, interest will diminish.

Whos going to buy advertising hoardings round the parks when TVs not there to show them?

I believe that if Rangers were dumped down three divisions it would be the SPL and every club in it that would suffer.

And if Rangers are packed off to Division Three, then lets get Murray Park working. Lets get their equivalents of the Tony Watts coming through.

Good on Celtic for finding the kid who got a double at Motherwell on Sunday. Good on the kid for taking his chance when it came along.

Now its Rangers chance to find them, nurture them and get them exposed to Third Division defenders and conditions.

The likes of Jamie Ness, Rhys McCabe and Ross Perry can be the mainstays of the Rangers first-team for years to come.

If they have to start off doing so in the Third Division, so be it.

Hopefully itll be three promotions in a row and by the time the clubs back in the SPL these kids will have the experience and quality to maintain a challenge.

As for the SPLs colleagues at the SFA, theyve simply done their best to kill the club.

I thought they were supposed to be looking after their member clubs, not punishing them?

Craig Whyte? Hes becoming more of a sick joke by the day.

Hours before Lord Nimmo Smiths Independent Inquiry announced their decision, he demanded a seat on the Ibrox board. Good luck with that.

His demand for four seats in the directors box for life was just nonsense.

It would have meant four empty seats at every game.

Everything about the blokes bizarre. Hes been all talk from day one.

Its been like Michael Knighton taking over Manchester United, minus the keepie-uppie on the pitch. Knighton had hee-haw and Whytes the same with the difference being Whytes told lies right from the start, about being banned as a company director to begin with.

But what happened to the SFA doing due diligence?

David Murray has said he was duped by Whyte, but I find it amazing that a man of his business experience can be so easily hoodwinked.

And STILL nobody basically knows anything about Whyte!

So my overall view is this, if were going down lets get it done. The club will survive.

And for the organisations in Scottish football looking forward to celebrating, I say this.

Be careful what you wish for. It might just happen.


andy goram

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Long winded and purile,Rangers cheated. This is how a real football association treat cheats not a wee slap on the wrist like the SFA

FC Zurich and Young Boys - two of Switzerland's biggest clubs - are among four top-flight teams who have been refused a licence to compete in the country's first division next season, the league said on Monday.
Sion, deducted 36 points this season in a legal row, and financially troubled Servette Geneva were also turned down in the first instance as the league got tough following a year which saw Neuchatel Xamax kicked out of the championship.
The clubs have five days in which to appeal. Seven second division clubs also had applications refused.
"For reasons of infrastructure and finance, the Swiss Football League's licensing department has not granted the request for four Super League clubs," the league said in a statement.

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Which Andy Goram is this?

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@1 what did the clubs do?

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@3: didn't meet the Swiss FA's financial fair play rules or something like that.

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25 Apr 2012 11:06:30
as a rangers fan i think we should go to the third devision work our way back and one day earn our spot at the top of scottish football again . nurture the best kids we can get and make them the basis for the future ranger champions . lets see what happens to the spl with just them in it .

we are the people

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Lets make it a nightmare if this happens 8-10 000 bears turning up at all these wee diddy grounds if they want to move us down how will these clubs afford to police these games printing tickets etc and as for billy mcbungle get a grip watch what you all wish for follow follow from perth australia

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At last a honest Rangers fan

Well done on showing more dignity in your post than your club have done over the last 10 years

Dannybhoy

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25 Apr 2012 11:03:02
More skeletons soon :

Lawyers for Rangers administrators Duff and Phelps have forced former owner Sir David Murrays group to release correspondence between it and Craig Whytes lawyers over the sale of Rangers FC.

Stv news online

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Murray is the real villian when will you bears get that!

Dannybhoy

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@1 Oh we know SDM is a villian and the "Sir" should be dropped, he is disgraced. But not the ONLY villian here ..... there are others culpbable for the destruction of our great club, and the weasle Whyte is right up there. Time for justice, all want Rangers to be punished ...... time for the greedy, crooked individuals trusted with custodianship of this great club to be brought to justic to! LB

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Top london qc mark phillips taking on the case in london against collier bristow pity no hearing until october his opening comments make the case for d and p against withey and white very strong hence the request for documents from the murray group sdm may yet be implecated

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They are only after two pieces of paper the sales contact and the proof of funding provided by Collier Bristow I say Collier Bristow because thats what the letter heading was but was NOT SIGNED so much for hard nosed business man SDM and skeletons HARDLY although it should be a source of embarrassment (ad take the ridicule to get out of 140mill of debt)

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@4 all letters filenotes and emails i think youll find thats more than 2 letters

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25 Apr 2012 10:56:05
hi fellow bears, i like alot of you guys are sick to the back teeth of all this ups n downs regarding the gers. The thing that staggers me the most is the tunnel vision that all the numpties from the other side of the city seem to have, id like to see them gloating next season when theres no sky money no competition and probably no premier leauge what-so-ever, half of our leauge are on the brink at this moment in time and the tic fans seem to think that playing with themselves next season will be fun, well i for one say good luck to them they deserve it (!?). As McCoist mentions last night the idea of hitting the third div is looking ever so appealing, whilst a tad petty but it echoes all our feelings right now, but heres a thought why not instead of hitting the third div or boycotting away games next season dont we just liquidate get it done with and apply to the lower english divisions its surely got to be better than this shoddily run joke of an FA we have - just wondering what you guys think of that ( i myself was always anti-epl move but im just scunnered now )

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Home many times do you idiots have to be told that there is no way we can go to the English leagues. FFS

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This is how it should be done

FC Zurich and Young Boys - two of Switzerland's biggest clubs - are among four top-flight teams who have been refused a licence to compete in the country's first division next season, the league said on Monday.
Sion, deducted 36 points this season in a legal row, and financially troubled Servette Geneva were also turned down in the first instance as the league got tough following a year which saw Neuchatel Xamax kicked out of the championship.
The clubs have five days in which to appeal. Seven second division clubs also had applications refused.
"For reasons of infrastructure and finance, the Swiss Football League's licensing department has not granted the request for four Super League clubs," the league said in a statement.

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The English FA have publicly stated that Scottish teams would not be welcomed at any level within their set-up, that's why. A simple search of the last six months would enable you to read their statements, but don't let simple fact interrupt your silly pipe-dreams eh?!

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Do you read the other posts on here? If you do, why are you still banging on about going to England when you should know it cannot happen?!

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Your home ground must be in england to get into the epl. yous could take a roll of astroturf down cause yous wont have a ground.

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25 Apr 2012 10:42:00
Alrite fellow posters think its time to change talk n lighten up for day,
The time has come to vote ed of the year,
They work hard at keepin banter going,take time to answer questions
Lets here some of your posts of season
Lets show appreciation by getting them a 100 beleives for their efforts

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Erm you are actually on the agree/disagree page. And Rangers fans have bigger things to worry about. But thanks anyway

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25 Apr 2012 10:37:01
Big jig has refused to do a photocall for the sfa with tesco. I love this guy a trublu thru and thru. Hes not even getting paid yet hes been one of our best player since admin. Lets face it he will more than likely be our captain next season due to the fact hes made money thru his career people like davis and mcshagger will have to go due to wages etc...

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Good on him, i hope some of the other players follow his lead.

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"CashBig jig has refused to do a photocall for the sfa"

If true , he is just another idiot who doesn't understand Breaking rules will end in punishments . The punishments could (and should ) have been worse , RFC got a slap on the wrist . The fine was less than the fighting fund and a transfer ban on a team that can't sign players because it's in administration anyway . Hardly "hung fae the gallows" , is it ?

jimi88

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The guys a legend ...... loyalty 100%, appreciated by Bears fans,100% ..... cos he is one of us. WATP! LB

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Good - shouldn't be near the Scotland squad anyway.

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25 Apr 2012 10:30:32
I've not seen Ally under so much pressure since the "Fingers on the Buzzer" round on Question of Sport .

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And he is cracking,trying to blame the SFA,other clubs, a mystery panel(Rangers know who they are,thats just a red herring for the knuckle draggers amongst you)Lennon, Celtic and the rest of the SPL, not to mention the cleaning lady for his bad management.Wake up bears, no one to blame but Rangers and Murray and Sleekit Sally is the worst manager you have had for a long time

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We would have to go a long long way down the the queue for managers to find one as bad and embarrassing to his club as yours has been.

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25 Apr 2012 09:56:16
Ed i don't understand why you never print my posts, this is a shared pc & if someone has said anything against you or another person, that is not my fault, anyway, i've said this all along, "IF" Rangers are liquidated or demoted to the 3rd division, ALL of Scottish football will suffer. There will be no SKY sports, or ESPN, no sponsors etc, meaning teams will get nothing. So called better players will leave the SPL because they will want decent wages, they will want to play in better leagues, they will want t be recognised by their international managers, so if the rest of Scottish football really want Rangers to disappear, believe me, it will only get worse for yourselves & if you do want Rangers to no longer cease to exist, then i for one will love watching Scottish football implode.

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So you'll enjoy watching others - fans and businesses - suffer? Says it all really. What a pathetic attitude.

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Shared computer lol Rangers cheated ,very light punishment thats all move on folks nothing to see

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Yes i will watch other fans & businesses suffer, after all, you all want Rangers to suffer & even fold. Rangers fans haven't done anything wrong, it was the people who were running the club, so i suggest you just keep it quiet, as for a shared pc, i'm in an office ya muppet.

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Damn rite mate! so we're ment to just roll over and let you lot kick us and revel in our misery! F the lot of you ...... this will come back to haunt you and it will be no more than the anti-Rangers element deserve. LB

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Try again: so you want other businesses to suffer, the businesses that make money from football? Or will you blame that on the fans of other clubs. Ask yourself why some fans want your club to die... It's because of the arrogant, domineering attitude of (some) Rangers fans and the rule-bending and breaking of the club, not to mention the bile that comes with the Old Firm (some sectors of the support). Yes, the fans, decent fans included, are suffering but it's not the fault of other clubs, but that of the owners of Rangers. therefore, why wish the same misery you're suffering on others? that's just twisted, mate. Think of the bigger picture, if you can.

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@LB: do you ever wonder why the fans of other teams dislike Rangers? your own post may explain a fair bit. Do you want other businesses that make their money from football to suffer too?

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25 Apr 2012 10:14:02
Email head of Sky Sports saying that subscriptions will be ended forthwith due to the treatment of Rangers by SFA. Send out the message loud and clear. Be polite, but say that Scottish football without Rangers is NOT worth watching for people in Scotland, England or around the world. We have millions of fans around the world. Spread the word.

barney.francis@BskyB.com

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If Sky sports pull the plug on Scottish football, then great, just watch Scottish football suffer, which i would want, since they don't want us but i will also cancel my subscription to Sky sports if we are liquidated etc, after all, why should i pay money to them when i can't even see my team play.

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So sky are to endure the wrath of 'the peepil' too? Where will it end? Email Glasgow City Council and say that council tax payments will be stopped forthwith in solidarity with Rangers and because Hampden is within the city boundaries andthe SFA's rubbish collection and water are paid for by council tax payments?

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You cant make this up,the time for protests is past,you do the crime take the punishment. By the way why not have a protest march outside all the small debtors your team has ripped off(after all it must be their fault for giving you the money or goods in the first place.

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Yeah champions league football was getting boring

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100% agree first poster ....... Sky/ESPN lets face it them and the likes of them (financial powers) run the game now. Not putting my hard earned out to watch the Celic parade towards meaningless titles gleefully condoned by the green-minded, pathetic and corrupt SFA/SPL ...... no Gers, no money from me. Follow on Bears! LB

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Another poster - #2 - who wants others to duffer. So you want other fans and businesses to suffer, do you?

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@6 should refer to post #1. Sorry.

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@6) if they cant pay there way or have no support thats there tough s**t no more subsiding these excuses for football teams

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How the paranoia has switched, eh LB? 'green-minded SFA'? PMSL

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@8: what about the businesses that rely on trade with these football clubs? Are you happy for them to go to the wall to or do you just consider that collateral damage?

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25 Apr 2012 10:09:28
For anyone who says the spl does not need Rangers take a look at the uefa coefficients of spl teams. Rangers are the only Scottish club in the top 50.

Celtic are 63rd behind a team from Cyprus.

Aberdeen are 143rd

Hearts are 185th

Dundee utd are 195th

Says it all really.

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But they'd rather we went bust. "Cut off nose to spite face" comes to mind.

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That's this year - where will Rangers and Celtic be in next year's co-efficients?

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Rangers cheated for that co-eff, UEFA aint the SFA they may well punish you properly(ask Rapid if they will take 10p in the £ for the jelly man)

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25 Apr 2012 10:09:27
11.2 million very much short of 60 million pounds owing EBT aside. Surely not expecting creditors to accept pence in the pound, especially HMRC

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25 Apr 2012 10:06:21
I am absolutley sickened by the actions of the SFA and SPL and the attitudes of the other SPL clubs in Rangers time of need.
If we do go into liquidation and a newco is started then I would much prefer to apply to join the English 3rd Division and work our way up to the Premiership.
We have been wanting to join the EPL for years and now is the perfect time. With the fan base we have we would be in the EPL in 3 years and leave the bitter SFA well behind.

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I've said this since we went into administration.

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Dont be silly its Rangers and Murrays fault hear is how a real football association does it

FC Zurich and Young Boys - two of Switzerland's biggest clubs - are among four top-flight teams who have been refused a licence to compete in the country's first division next season, the league said on Monday.
Sion, deducted 36 points this season in a legal row, and financially troubled Servette Geneva were also turned down in the first instance as the league got tough following a year which saw Neuchatel Xamax kicked out of the championship.
The clubs have five days in which to appeal. Seven second division clubs also had applications refused.
"For reasons of infrastructure and finance, the Swiss Football League's licensing department has not granted the request for four Super League clubs," the league said in a statement.

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More delusion from people who know hee-haw about football.

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25 Apr 2012 09:55:33
Am a wee bitty confused guys... Administrators deny Mr Whyte's actions should be considerationn when Rangers are punished then next day they sue a legal company over the action of Gary WHITNEY my point is either there is a Corporate responsibility or their is not D&D cant have it both ways methinks
If Whyte 's dodgy dealings are to bethe focus of RANGERS appeal against sanctions then surely Gary Whitney would by the same inference be the target for alledged malpractice with legal funding T

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25 Apr 2012 09:38:08
Rusty the tim here!!!all I here from everyone associated with rangers is why punish us,it should be mr whyte!!if that's the case why are d&p taking collyer bristow to court for 25million pounds???it was mr withey who worked for them who helped mr whyte with the sale of the club!!!!! You can't have it both ways.you's also blame sfa etc why they let whyte get involved,I'd be asking why mr Murray sold the club to him!!get a grip and take the punishment. Never heard all this nonsense when you's where spending more than you's actually brought in to the club!!the past always catches up with you!!hail hail rusty the tim

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25 Apr 2012 07:02:38
Ed surely if these so called rangers supporters trusts were serious about protests they should be telling people to boycott sundays game rather than telling people to protest at a Scottish cup final? {Ed001's Note - I would have thought there were better ways to protest than not going go to the matches or turning up to ruin someone else's cup final! Why not an ongoing protest outside Ibrox? Or the offices of the SFA?}

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Why the SFA ed? they have done nothing but let Rangers off lightly,have to agree with the rest of your points and would add a protest about Murray in that mix

Dannybhoy {Ed001's Note - because they should have applied a fit and proper persons test in the first place and not allowed Murray to run away and hide from his mess. If they had done so, Murray would still be the owner and would be responsible for cleaning up the terrible mess he made. I do agree with you on Murray though, the man is getting away with it, but he will no doubt be in France or somewhere else not caring.}

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Ok ed fair doos, but Murray knew what and who Whyte was and still sold him the club. By the way for all the bears greeting about the wee slap on the wrist from the SFA look what the Swiss FA do

FC Zurich and Young Boys - two of Switzerland's biggest clubs - are among four top-flight teams who have been refused a licence to compete in the country's first division next season, the league said on Monday.
Sion, deducted 36 points this season in a legal row, and financially troubled Servette Geneva were also turned down in the first instance as the league got tough following a year which saw Neuchatel Xamax kicked out of the championship.
The clubs have five days in which to appeal. Seven second division clubs also had applications refused.
"For reasons of infrastructure and finance, the Swiss Football League's licensing department has not granted the request for four Super League clubs," the league said in a statement.

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25 Apr 2012 09:39:15
I would just like to congratulate all
the Rangers fans going to Hampden on
Saturday, what foresight.. to do a
scouting mission on possible opponents
next season... only one little problem
Queens Park are away to Stranraer,
you bears cannot even get that right
Hail hail Timalloy
PS I hate to rain on your parade??
but going by the U19's table this year
Rangers finished 20 points BEHIND Celtic
in 5th place, a glimpse of Rangers future?>>>
oh well maybe the Highland league will
accept you....

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Well at least we turn up at hampden timmy unlike your team of spineless bottle merchants fail fail !

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Dear oh dear thats a typical well though out response

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Only visit for Rangers to Hampden this year?

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25 Apr 2012 08:43:12
Hope he gets the same, fair treatment Lennon got, a wee slap on the wrist, not proven verdict , again, and sent to the stand for 2 games, well done sally, get to the bottom of the sfa agenda. Who exactly are the judicial panel? Let's find out, name and shame them!

Bluebells are blue

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Who you kidding, he'll get a 12 month ban, no transfers for 3 years and 30 point deduction for 2 seasons. And that will be just for starters. There is a difference between asking questions and criticising refs and their decisions, but these days you would not know.

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Like they'll care?

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Paranoia setting in chaps,Rangers know who was on the panel thats a media sound bite from Sleekit Sally,wake and and smell the roses the only people at fault are Rangers and Murray

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25 Apr 2012 08:09:51
If fans are notwilling to accept actions of last to owners would this not entail then you accept every thing you won was ill got,
You cant take the good & not bad,
Fly with the crows get shot eith crows
Happy enough when u was cheating succsess but hang them to dry,
Get a grip rangers

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Remember your comment the next time your manager opens his gub about slagging refs off saying its 'personal'.

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Neil wont be last manager to be raging at a decision again the mud throwing instead of takin bull by horns and accept as most celtic fans do that lennon is out of order take his ban with no fear of fan stike on sfa,
Say that about yourself

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@2. All managers rage at decisions against their team, it's human nature but saying its a personal vendetta against him is playing the victimisation card a bit too far. If ally behaved the same way I would not find that acceptable either. Managers need to learn to control their emotions especially after the game has ended as all they do is pander to the minority of fans who believe their is an agenda against them - Whatever team they support!

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2. Weren't Celtic fans threatening to cause problems/bhoycotts with the SFA if they did not sanction Dougie McDonald. Say that about yourself?

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All I will say is Lennon reacts in the heat of the moment(rightly or wrongly) more worrying is wee Sleekit Sallys approach of blaming everyone else and trying to get the bigots on board with sound bite to the media and whispers, Say what you want about Lennon he has came through it all with a young team who have won the league on merit, Rangers under Ally have went backwards at a rapid rate of knots,he is the worst Manager in your recent history and is only getting away with it by appealing to the knuckle draggers amongst your support

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25 Apr 2012 09:08:16
Time to apply to enter the english league with a greater long term goal. I dont see the Swansea and Cardiff fans losing their Welsh identity. We are a Scottish club but also a British club there will never be a better time, anyone agree ?

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WILL NOT happen. UEFA will not allow it.

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I wish we could. Maybe an invite into a northern amateur league and work from there? Uefa has made sure we cant though. Its a shame but thems the rules. CheltBlue

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If you don't like the rules you could alweays protest to UEFA. Maybe the RST will organise a protest at the champions League final and at the european Championships. And a boycott of all sponsors associated with these competitions. That'll show UEFA not to say Rangers can't do what they'd really like to do. Pesky rule-makers - how dare they mess with a club with a worldwide appeal and legendary dignity, when it's only the club's owners who have been in the wrong when running the club. how dare they!

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Scottish club -British ID, but dont pay debts or taxes whats loyal about that,no one like or wants you go and lie down somewhere and dont come back

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25 Apr 2012 08:54:42
Personally I think Rangers have been hammered here simply because of the two fingered approach Craig Whyte show to the SFA. He's dished them another slap in the face by wishing them luck in obtaining the money from his fine. I'm not saying that Rangers shouldn't be punished, wrongs have been done and you have take whats comming to you, but the sanctions impossed seem a little harsh to say the least

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Hammered my arse you got off lightly

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25 Apr 2012 05:49:36
Guys,

I will keep this short. I posted an issue on here regarding my meeting with MR.Bill NG in Singpore12 days ago. I have since written an e mail to his secretary to ask if Mr. NG would reconsider submitting a further bid for the club. Below is the e mail that I sent and further down is the reply. Here's hoping that the Singapore guys come back in.

Hi Edwin,



I write to yourself and Mr, NG today in a state of desperation in relation to the withdrawal of the Singapore Bid for Rangers FC. Obviously everyone connected with this momentous club are now preparing to face their worst fears of liquidation and the destruction of 140 years of history.



I have had several calls and emails over the past few days from Family, Friends and Rangers Supporters begging me to ask if Mr.NG and the Consortium would reconsider their position and attempt to find a solution with the Administrators and Ticket-us. I know Bill has already spent a substantial amount of time and effort with the administrators but we all just wanted to know if the deal is now a dead issue or is there any hope he may re-consider?



On another note I have ordered a gift from the Rangers FC Club shop for Bill and Hougton United in recognition of you guys having me as a guest at the last home game. I shall pick it up when I return to the UK late next week and drop it off at the club when I get back to Singapore around the middle of May.


Dear Ian,



We understand your concern on Rangers fate, but there were too much uncertainties and we do not want to disappoint the fans of Rangers by overpromising the fans in these uncertainties.



We may not be able to deliver the promised results with the circumstances and the uncertainties
That is the reason for us to withdraw from the bid.

Yes, we will be willing to enter another bid if the Administrators opens for another round of tender.

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Dear poster

wakey wakey

you must be dreaming mr ng is gone not coming back face it we are going to be liquidated

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25 Apr 2012 03:47:04
I dont give a sh*t what Celtic fans claim ally has done nothing wrong but tell the truth on what he thinks at least he does nae do it every couple of wks like cry baby Hitler wanna be so Celtic you betters hope we survive cause if we dont start cutting your wages by 50%-60%

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Celtic will cut their wage bill by 50% at the very least next season if Rangers are not in the spl.

Why on earth would Celtic keep paying around £45m per season in wages when they could win the spl with a wage bill a 3rd of that.

Every single club in the spl will have severly reduced playing sqauds next season without the Gers.

Heard Sportsound last night and an unnamed spl chairman was quoted as saying as many as 5 spl clubs could be in Admin next season without the tv deal.

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So it's alright to speak your mind as long as you don't do it every couple of weeks?!

Might be good to check your posts in future so you don't look like a tube.

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Again with the Lennon bile,did Lenny spend the money no its was Rangers and Murray,cheating on a grand scale and a very light punishment from the SFA

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25 Apr 2012 02:01:29
You all need to get a grip. Protesting on the day of the cup final won't get you anywhere. Except maybe people will just laugh harder at you. The problems you created for yourselves have nothing to do with Hibs or Hearts, so why ruin our day? Is it because you've all burst into the green eyed monster and can't stand that a club from outside of Glasgow are going to have the cup this year? The problems Rangers have are all of their own doing, so stop acting like children. Get your toys back in the pram, accept whatever punishment you're rightly given, and consider this; if this was happening to any other team outside of the Old Firm, they'd be finished. 3rd division for starters, and everything else that's always been the rules, until it happened to you bunch of clowns. Admit your mistakes and accept your punishment. You deserve everything they throw at you, which you know isn't as harsh a punishment as usual. The league survived just fine before you bought your way into trying to rule it, and it will be all the stronger now that you no longer have the money to do so. R.I.P Rangers, you won't be missed.
With no love whatsoever - A dedicated Hibs fan.

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I'm a Hibs fan who lives near Ibrox. It's all fine and well for all of us other football fans having a dig at rangers. But to see the pain on the faces of the many thousands of true blue RFC fans who come to the games is awful. Their club is dying. Have some consideration for what they are going through. For their sake I hope RFC through.

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Here here, well said.
Go away Rangers, stop the hubris.

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Don't look forward to the scottish cup final hearts are going murder you again.

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Yes there should be no protests on the day of the cup final. Agree its a day for Hearts/Hibs fans to have a great day out and no interference from anyone else. As for the rest of your post - hope the Jambo's stuff you on the day.

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Rather get beat in a cup final than go into liquidation

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If we go bust - the likes of you lot won't be too far behind i assure you.

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@5. Having not won the cup in living memory, you and a few others will have more chance of liquidation if we go bust, than winning a trophy.

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25 Apr 2012 01:44:46
My mate who is a big noise in the Dunfemilne official fan club,said that no one is to bothered about a relegation battle as the bad newes is that they are thinking that they are being kept in the SPL and Rangers are going to be playing in the SFL.I hope not as being a bear fae the toon I will not hear the end of it.

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25 Apr 2012 00:53:44
BILLY McNEILL insists that Celtic can go on to win 9-in-a-row again if Rangers go bust.

The Hoops legend believes time is running out to stop the Ibrox club sliding into liquidation. And he reckons this seasons title could be the first of many for Neil Lennons stars if they do.

McNeill said: With Gers on their knees I have to say another 9-in-a-row isnt out of the question.

I genuinely dont know if there is any way out of this situation for Rangers.

There is now a very real prospect the club could slip out of existence.

And to add insult to injury, I think Celtic are perfectly positioned to make the most of it.

Ive heard people say the two clubs need each other to prosper but I dont agree.

I dont think Celtic will be affected by what is happening to Rangers in any shape or form.

In fact I think they will only grow STRONGER.

This years league championship is already in the bag and I expect they will find winning titles suddenly a whole lot easier.

McNeill, skipper of the legendary Hoops side which won nine titles in a row between 1966 and 1974, also believes that Lennons Celtic would prosper off the field too if Gers went out of business.

He said: In recent years the Old Firm have come as a package.

Companies have paid a lot of money to have their logo on both teams shirts.

But Celtics pulling power wont be affected one bit if they were suddenly on their own.

It actually would put them in a position to negotiate even more lucrative deals.

It would be the same with TV. I know Sky invest heavily in Scottish football on the basis of the Old Firm rivalry. But Im not so sure they would walk away if Gers were no longer there.

They would still be dealing with a dominant Celtic that people would want to see.

And I think that would eventually help make them an even bigger club in the long run.

Of course its all up in the air right now. Nobody knows which way itll go.

But I think Gers need a miracle and I dont know where theyll get it.

I do NOT feel sorry for them. I dont think anyone should.

Because, make no mistake about it, the mess Gers are in right now is all of their own making.

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Celtic could win 109 in a row if Rangers were not in the spl but the point is who would care if they did?

All these lucrative deals that BM talks about why have they not signed them already? why would it take Rangers not being in the league to get them?

As for Celtic's pulling power not being affected try selling the spl minus Rangers to someone like a Larsson or Laudrup.

Sure they will be lining up to join Celtic ahead of the epl i mean Ross co & St mirren 4 times a season!!

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Hibs Hearts Aberdeen and DU will all become stronger. Motherwell would get more fans and would probably benefit the most from a weak or non-existent Rangers.

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Yeh Billy, just you keep believing the pi*h you spout. 'A dominant Celtic that people would want to see', who apart from Celtic fans would want that? And who says you would dominate - probably yes, but then again you lot were spouting you were going to win the treble this year and look what happened. No-one outside of the green tinted specs mhob gives a toss what you think Billy and it will always be that way.

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Well said Billy,hope all level headed Rangers fans can see they got off light and probably deserve much worse

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25 Apr 2012 00:39:09
Shouldn't be allowed to sign players as you haven't paid for them in the past, why is that a difficult concept seriously one straight answer on that.
Nevis

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Any outstanding money owed on players is NOT due to be paid right now. No club signs a player from another and pays them £2m the very next day its paid over months sometimes years.

Oh and just to prove my point Rangers are owed more money for players than we owe out, but why let the facts get in the way of a good story?

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More coming in than going out for players. Yeah, and they'll expect 100p/£ in while paying out coppers for the players they bought. Very honourable.

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So let me get this right Rangers plan to pay Rapid and Hearts the full money due? Get real its cheating pure and simple any normal league would have demoted you ,not given what is in effect a slap on the wrist

Dannybhoy

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25 Apr 2012 00:38:22
if the sfa had carried out a proper check on the CW prior to him purchasing the club we would not be in as bad a position and then they punnish us for his acts. Should the sfa not be punnished and sued for damages as a failure on their part allowed CW to takeover and then break the rules

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Murry sold the club not the SFA,its Rangers fault no one else

Dannybhoy

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25 Apr 2012 00:27:02
just a wee dig at how things can get taken out of proportion with ref to my earlier post on impolications that got removed along with all the replies....ally mccoist said tonite we will be fighting back ...its time we fought back....just a statement but one that could lead to other things.......there will not be any stupid violence attached to this latest boot in the face but as ally says ...we will fight back.......but in a democratic way...deecee

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Nice to see you hit the rewind button deecee your last post was dodgy to see the least

Dannybhoy

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25 Apr 2012 00:21:15
Rangers are screwed as far as I can see but what I don't understand is why we didn't go into administration earlier? Whyte has said he should have done it in October well why not mid January and we could have sold on some of our players, bringing in some cash and freeing up wages. This way has punished us even more and we haven't freed up any real cash. We clearly don't have the assets to trade out so why not free all the players and free some money to hopefully keep the club afloat? Say what you want about that little b--tard Whyte but he is a genius if you ask me spends a £1 and makes a potential mint...David Murray's plan backfired on him by getting Whyte into take flack, he has f***ed off and Whyte is landing Murray in it at every opportunity!

The blue knights are at it too...

Not enough money to pay £500k but enough money to get us out administration? Nah, not buying it.

Millar will eventually liquidate...where can we get £100m+ investment?

As far as the transfer embargo goes...who said we were getting out administration anytime soon anyway?

I fear the worst and what makes things worse is that Ally (who we all loved as a player) is getting away with pure murder cause he is a terrible manager!

If only we can save our proud history!

DavyWallace72 WATP

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Tbk's do have the 500k it's just what they are being asked to do is hand over that money without knowing if they can get the shares from whyte.


Half a million is a lot of money just to pay for the 50/50 chance that they could own the club at the end of this.

It's a bit like being asked to buy a car with no keys but if things work out you might get them in time.

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25 Apr 2012 00:08:57
Hi guys, Chelsea fan here, just wanted to come on here and say I hope this ridiculous transfer embargo gets overturned. These are dark days, but they won't last forever.

Thanks for the support you guys have shown on our page today and after the game, despite what's going on at Ibrox. Huge respect.

Blue25

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Whats ridiculous about it?.How about paying back some of the millions of pounds owed before spending money on new players?

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Cheers for the message of support. I was shouting for you all evening and Im looking forward to seeing a few people today who didnt give you a chance. Great result and I hope Torres now shows his class more often. CheltBlue

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OP. Agree, we're already under a transfer imbargo and another 12 month one will not help our situation, especially with those who wish to buy the club. Great result last night and hope you go onto win the Cup.

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Great result last night mate ...... probably the best all round performance in your clubs history. Chelsea for the Cup, your names on it for sure! LB

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25 Apr 2012 00:06:48
Just read this link regards to Swiss football we thought sfa where bad , all credit to fc Basie

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/23042012/2/zurich-young-boys-refused-swiss-league-licence.html

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24 Apr 2012 23:56:59
Boycott the old firm game on Sunday. Two fans and a banner... All that's needed. Show sky and the rest of the spl what their in for.

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What difference is tht goIng to
Make

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Well it would be a hell of a statement! LB

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