Rangers Banter Archive August 25 2012

 

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25 Aug 2012 22:04:24
Lets get this whole situation correct for the belligerent, you were not demoted, relegated or voted down the leagues. RFC were liquidated and cease to exist.

Green bought RFC's stadium, training ground and car park. (Which were never offered to anyone on the open market!) He then registered a club, namely Sevco Scotland LTD. This company applied to take RFC's place in the SPL. This application was refused by the SPL chairmen, although the SPL and Neil Doncaster should not have forced the chairmen to vote.

If Buckie Thistle or Cumnock Juniors wanted to join the SPL they would be told where to go, but some RFC fans expected that Greens new co would be allowed to join the SPL! It's nothing to do with SPL chairmen, supporters or players being jealous. New co's start at the bottom.

Neil Doncaster then decided that Sevco should be allowed to join the SFL div 1, however the SFL clubs decided to follow the rules and refuse the new co admission to div1.

The new co have been fortunate in that they have been allowed, unchallenged, to join div3. They should not be "punished" as they are a new co and should not be made to pay for RFC's debts.

Lets face facts, your in the third divison as a new co

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Op you believe what you want to believe if it makes you feel better, good for you. but remember this. the history of a club is in the hearts and minds of the fans that support them,stories of the the victories defeats triumphs and tragedies associated with the club are past from father to son and can NEVER be erased.my old man started taking me to games in the very early sixties and every cup and title win since is etched in my memory and no one can ever take them away from me.

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If newco then why continued punishments.

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You dhims still going on about the gers god sake thought by now you'd be onto something else but then again you still do go on about 1967

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Ffs. Why do these self proclaimed experts not get it? If newco rangers pay any outstanding debts owed by the oldco, or receive any sanctions as punishment for an oldco breach of rules....then they are admitting that oldco and newco are the same entity! Why would any new company pay debts or accept sanctions that were not theirs? Would be like me putting the mortgage into my girlfriends name. It wasnt her debt but its still the same house, we both still live in it and if we dont pay it'll be repo'd. Same team, different owners.

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Listen u numpy this has been to death its the company that has changed were still rangers as much as it annoys yous and all that hate rangers .were still rangers play at ibrox followed by gers fans.spl and sfa have said we can keep history .take us a few years but we will be back

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@1: isn't the OP trying to say that the history exists but can't be added to?

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Your that bitter and twisted that you couldn't even call our stadium ibrox, sad man with nothing better to do on a Saturday night.

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I'm a Celtic fan and you are correct no one can take your memories away but unfortunately the business men that ran the oldco didn't give a shi* about you guys who lived and breathed oldco. Some of these guys classed themselves as rangers fans but how could they be they watched from ringside seats while rangers where on its last legs and they never stood up and told anyone they just let it happen.

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The consortium also bought the goodwill of the company and this includes the badge, the name, and the history of the club. Also the fact that it was a transfer of membership not a new membership should be enough to show rangers are the same club

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Post is all very precise, but you are completely ignoring the fact that [with all due respect to them] that Buckie or Cumnock would bring nothing to the league, we can debate moral issues forever but bottom line is that scottish football is poorer with this situation, with the exception of div 3 clubs finance. Have a good study of attendances if you are in any doubt, maybe you could do this when you are sitting at parkhead on a wet november along with another 40000 watching Ross County.

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To be honest if the rules will be apllied to all clubs in the future then our Scottish league is ****ed.
Rangers down fall was caused internally so as a club we should be punished.
Most fans have no problem with this alought it is **** the fans suffer.
We had 49K last week look at the attendances this Saturday within the Uk games only Man U had more 75K.
If gate money is used properly we will be back stronger than before it needs our supporters to see it through.
Then move away from the SPL on our own terms

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Thanks for history but the worlds moved on i think you will find the earths not flat. and we ARE rangers bb blue

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No-one is trying to take away your memories, but the excuse of your team being demoted because Scotland has a vendetta against you is wrong. Your team was killed by Whyte owing £9m. The SPL did not kill your club, neither did the supporters of they teams kill your club. In fact, many of those teams are suffering as they are missing out on the money RFC brought to their communities and clubs. So all this talk of boycotting clubs as they didn't vote your newco into SPL should be quashed.

You should be thankful that Green stepped in to buy the assets and recreate RFC. I'm not surprised you have 33,000 season ticket holders, when CFC were in the same position there supporters ploughed £17m into their club.

Just play the hand you've been dealt, live with the consequences of what Whyte and Murray did, and celebrate the fact you still have a club to follow.

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What does that mean then, in terms of this never ending big tax case. if hmrc win, do the newco have to pay anything toward it.does anyone know. seems to me the fans and current team and administration do not deserve to carry the can for past administrations. the people who should be made to pay for all this, are the previous board,and past 2 owners. yet they are the very ones who appear to be away scot free. it all seems to have gone quiet in terms of thempursuit of white etc

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OP you're slightly wrong, Green bought the three Assets using England registered company SEvco 5088 Ltd. he later transferred those Assets to SEvco Scotland Ltd.
Green never purchased a football club. The old Rangers football club is currently being managed by D&P, court appointed managers and administrators. It is being liquidated. The old club's SPL membership went to Dundee. It's SFA membership was given to the new Football club on certain agreed entry conditions.

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@1).... I understand that mate. I sincerely do, I would be the same if it were my club. But hoping and wishing and wanting it to be the same football club is delusional and unhealthy and actually living a lie which should not be passed on to children playing football in the streets. Children growing up arguing its the same club is plainly wrong. Everyone needs to accept reality and move on with a good spirit of honesty. Has nothing been learned from all of this?

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2) I stated you should NOT be punished! And to be fair your punishments have been a £160,000 fine (don't know if it's been paid) and a transfer ban. The transfer ban is hardly a ban as you have been allowed to purchase players!

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@4: if that's the case then all the debts should be paid in full - all creditors, including HMRC.

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Bottom line is this. Rangers history still exists. Its just cannot be added to. When Rangers are officially liquidated in the coming months there will be discussions regarding name changes, sponsorship, logos etc. The new Rangers are a brand new team AND company hence the reason why they start from the bottom league. The new Rangers have a history but it is only weeks old. The SPL have not said anything about keeping the history and Green said if a CVA wasn't agreed then 140 years will cease. You cannot start again with a clean slate but keep the achievements of the old team. And lets not start on about Fiorentina and Leeds, Italy have different rules and Leeds we're NEVER liquidated they formed a phoenix company and transferred everything across including history before liquidation could happen, very different circumstances to Rangers situation, who ARE being liquidated. End of

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@ 1)....You're right...the history of a club is indeed in it's fans etc. but Sevco Scotland Ltd. doesn't have a history and it has only just recruited fans from an old team that doesn't exist anymore, probably because no other club wanted them as fans. So what you have is a new club with new fans just like MK Dons a few years ago. You don't hear them talking about the time they won the FA Cup when they beat Liverpool 1-0....do you?? So enjoy your new venture in Div 3 because that's where you rightfully belong! lol lol lol

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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What happened in 1899, I'm quite sure the club became the company?
Is that not what the gates at Ibrox say?
Mr Green and his colleagues are about to offer shares for sale, but shares in what precisely?

Are these shares in the club or in the company?

Because, we are told, these are two separate things.

If the bears are being offered shares in the company formerly known as Sevco Scotland Limited then, in a sense, the Ibrox klan can never ever own any part of the other worldly, transcendental thing called Rangers.

Despite the spiritual aspect about what constitutes the club, bricks and mortar are also important.

For the Ibrox klan it is significant that they still sit in the stadium that Bomber Brown played for (sic).

Of course it would be a great shame if someone, perhaps empowered by the court, say, would want that asset back off the company which currently owns it.

Now, of course, that couldn't happen.

It is just unthinkable.

However, if it did then the vile liquidators couldn't separate Ibrox from the club, only from the company.

Because those bonds are not of this world.

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Where did i say anything about your history?

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Yes we still go about 1967 because it was such a remarkable achievment and it put scottish football on the map you spent a fortune you did not have trying to emulate 1967 and it put you were you are today

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25 Aug 2012 20:16:54
.17 The Big Tax Case is disputed by the Company and is subject to a first tier tax Tribunal. An outcome has yet to be determined by the Tribunal and is expected in September 2012

From D and P Progress Report.
We will all know soon .

Paddy Malarkey

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Don't trust anything Duff and Phelps say. It might happen. It might not.

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SDM mus be crapping himself

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The FTTT was at the High Court (as reported in the press) last October. We were told it was going to be decided by February 2012, then told after Easter 2012. Now it's September.. What's so Special about the old Rangers FC it seems to have got very special consideration over this for a year.

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25 Aug 2012 19:46:48
Daniel Larsson has been linked with FC Copenhagen apparently his wages are 15k a week! Way too much for Rangers to risk for now

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What a squad right enuff

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25 Aug 2012 19:24:12
Cribrari, Bocanegra, Argyroiu, Foure, Wallace,Sandaza, Black, Sheils, Kyle


what a squad! watp!

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Not a very big squad.

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A team that will require complete overhaul in 2-3 years due to age, fitness and quality of said players, had the chance to get young talent in but you have went for journeymen and unheard of foreign ones at that.

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Bocanegra will leave soon, Kyle and black wont make it beyond 1st division, can't see sandazza staying 4 years if an English team comes in with more cash, Wallace will get sold as he will be your biggest asset and know nothing of the 3 guys signed after trials

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PMSFL ........ Brilliant .

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The new Rangers, four points from two games in fourth tier of Scottish football. Dropped 2 points already. Fourth in the league. Playing second bottom team in Scotland tomorrow.
Yeah what a team mate.
You are most definitely the peepul.

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To the plum that said the team needs an overhaul in 2-3 years. What team doesn't need an overhaul in 2-3 years? All that matters is getting out div 3 then 2 then 1. Once thats done we'll worry about 3 years time

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Theres only nine there

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Regarding @5 and a last minute scrambled draw at Ross countys a great result ehh,follOwed up by comments of "the players had there minds on Europe"very bloody professional that.

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If you literally did that, a visit to your GP should be high on your priority list. You mank.

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It says alot about McCoist ability to manage when he needs "SPL" quality players to win the 3rd division!

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And as a team paying more to their players than the whole of the rest of their division, who are all part timers. dropping another 2 points today was just embarrassing . Money paid to these pro players isn't enough!

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25 Aug 2012 19:20:05
Billionaire from dubai majority shareholder at us, worth 4.2 bil, green pulled one out the bag, not getting excited but at least we know we have the backing with mike ashley

2 million invested aswell, coisty is also a shareholder with 4.5 %, cant get a more diehard manager than that! amazin, thoughts??


good times ahead, screw the SPL!

DIV3 IS THE PLACE TO BE

WATP

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Ask to stay there then.

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Thoughts are McCoist only still in a job for investing in greens business plan

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This site fair cheers you up so it does ....... PMSFL .

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Wealth off the radar? Not one but two warchests? For every fiver they spend? ......
I was duped! My board of directors gave me a three inch thick report on the guy but I was still duped......... Rangers billionaires are the funniest of guys!

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Has Arif Naqvi ever been to a Rangers game?

He'll just be looking to make money from Rangers.

BARNEY BEAR

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Does it matter if he's ever been to ibrox he's a businessman and he see's a decent oppOrtunity to invest in a product at a reasonable price and yeah of course he's looking to make mOney.if you invest yOur money in say a football coupon on a Saturday then your lookIng to make money aren't you same principle here.

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Its the 26,000 shareholder in RangersFC1872 and the 7,000 debenture holders you've got to feel sorry for.
I mean really . . .
Since the club was liquidated they've lost everything!

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Keep kidding yourself on that you love the 3rd div

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Div 3 is the place to be ? did you ever think of taking up comedy writing ? why do they have promotion ? although maybe ally thinks that as well, he seems to be doing his damndest to stay there. berwick, again.

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Looks like the team is doing its best to stay there.

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I owned a club deck debenture seat. It cost £1,800 fully refundable. It's all gone. I don't have the seat and I don't have my money back.
If its the same football club why don't I have my seat or my money? I was supposed to have it for life.

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25 Aug 2012 18:55:42
Do season tickets cover the Falkirk cup game on thurs or do we av to activate them {Ed039's Note - Need to activate them mate, £13 or something like that)

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25 Aug 2012 18:45:42
Ceptic's average attendance so far this season 2012/2013(SPL)16,034; season 2011/2012, 25,452. 9,418 missing supporters found on Rangers FC Rumours obsessing about us WATP lol.

Carling1873

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Rangers.......26 missing players and counting.

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OP: yet you've checked their attendances? What does that make you?

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Eh we have been away twice out of 3 obviously it's going to be low

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Sell out Wednesday ( 60 K ) coming up PMSFL

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Not only 2 away games but at two of the smaller grounds. ANOTHER WORLD RECORD TO RANGERS! - Poster of the most stupid, pointless, misleading post of all time. Well done mate your endless hours of adding three numbers, dividing it by three, doing the whole thing again then subtracting the two does seem to have been time well spent now eh?

And we're obsessed?

Not only jokers but desperate jokers. How sad.

Here's some maths for you, if you had 276 creditors who you failed to pay, how long should you wait before claiming to be the greatest anything? I'd say a lifetime.

Michael Exadurating Laudrup

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How typical this OP is of everything that is bad at Ibrox. Three games into the season, a skewed three at that and he's became a financial analyst worthy of The Financial Times. EVERYTHING is immediate for a good percentage of the Rangers support. Desire for trophies, victories, retribution over enemies. The same demand for continued success that got you into this trouble in the first place because Murray knew you would not tolerate a tightening of the belt and take a few league hits for a couple of years. Three games into a season and coming away with nonsense like that? Unbelievable. Lets see how accurate some of you have been in the past year or so.
1) "In Craig we trust."
Oooops
2) "We'll never go into administration."
Oooops
3) "We'll still win the league, ten points down or not."
Ooooops
4) "You wont win the league by more than ten points."
Oooops
5) "We'll get the CVA passed."
Ooooops
6) "We want Bill Ng... Bill Miller... the Blue Knights... Brian Kennedy... Walter Smith... John Brown ..."
Ooooooooooooooops
7) "We don't do walking away."
Oooops
8) "Aye fair enough McCabe etc but there's no way McGregor, Davis, Lafferty and Naismith will walk."
Ooooops
9) "They wont kick us out of the SPL they cant afford to not have us in it."
Oooops
10) "There's no way they wont just drop us into Division One."
Oooops
11) "There's no way they'll put us in Division Three."
Oooops
12) "There's no way we'll EVER accept that transfer embargo."
Ooooops
13) "We'll walk every game in Division Three."
Oooops
14) "They'll never strip us of our titles."
?????

Now before any of you start, you cant say you haven't heard every one of those comments and while you will no doubt point out a lot of you were for Division Three the fact remains a lot of you presumed it would not happen and that a compromise would be reached regards Division One/SPL 2. Some if not all of those opinions I accept were held by none of you but in general terms all these things reflected the mood of the Rangers support at the time.

Personally, the comedy aside, I think poster's like the OP should take a six month vow of silence because on a daily basis, almost, you are coming up with mantra after mantra, statement after statement that has the forward planning of the Mayfly (it lives for one day by the way).

This wont be an easy read for some of you, if you read it at all, but really guys it is time to be circumspect about everything that has happened to your club. Boasts and predictions are in the DNA of every football fan but at least make them semi-plausable or give us stats that are more than just mischievous, skewed nonsense. Don't wholeheartedly buy into any old throw away phrase someone within Ibrox chucks out at you as the eleventh commandment.

It's up to you but given recent events, bold predictions of the fate of Rangers and others does not seem to be your forte at the moment. Realism will see you far less likely to be the butt of an opposing fans joke as well as tempering any disappointment if you have a pragmatic approach to what the next few years will be like in the first place.

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Fed up wi thev276 creditors stuff
Can anyone tell me how many creditors awaiting payment Celtic hav
& I presume the money they got for ki was paid in a lumps sum cos Celtic don't follow everyone else's process and accept a payment plan?

Bil72

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Mate, you're a dumpling. Celtic average home attendance last year was 50904. You have simply halved that as their average attendance ignoring all away games. Then you took Celtic's only home game this season (48000) and divided it by the 3 games they have played.

After we play Hibs the figures will totally change and you will find that the fans have miraculously reappeared.

No wonder you lot where liquidated.

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Bil72 there is a huge difference between awaiting payment and NEVER EVER to be repaid, very stupid post. I'm awaiting your commonsense reply but to be honest I'm NEVER EVER going to get one.

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@7. a payment plan means you pay on agreed dates, not go bankrupt and not pay. you really are on your own planet so i must agree that you are indeed the people, but only to those on your planet or yourselves that is. berwick, again.

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25 Aug 2012 18:26:51
Evening bears Are Dean Shiels and Lee Wallace fit for 2morro? would like to c this team played Alexander, Cribari, Faure Bocanegra, McKay, McCulloch, Black, McLeod, Shiels, Sandazza, Little (3-5-2) SUBS Gallacher, Cole/Broadfoot( if u really must Ally), Naismith/Crawford, Hutton, Kyle wat do use thk?..... Le Jon WATP now, then, forever... {Ed039's Note - broadfoot will start, faure on bench)

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Hope you are wrong Ed, dont want Berwick getting a goal of a start, which happens playing Clubfoot. {Ed039's Note - The boy Faure hasnt played or trained much so I dont see him playing, maybe he is a fit lad but I think you will see Ally going with Broadfoot, especially is Wallace doesnt make it)

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Please , Please play Clubfoot PMSFL

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I realy dont see why we pay 5in the middle its the 3rd div ffs lets gept 3 upfont and have a right go at racking up our goals tally.how about this team thoughts.

Alexander

Walace
Cibrani or boca
Faure

Mcculloch
Black
Mckay
Mcleod

Sandaza
Little
Shiels

In my opinion should stroll div 3 2 and 1

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@2 "have a right go at racking up our goals tally"
So you expect the D3 title will be decided on goal difference.
Al

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In reply to the third comment take out mcleod put sheils there and put kyle up front??
AndyBear98

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@4 I never mentioned goal difference being an issue,I was merely trying to insist it would good to start scoring more freely and in my opinion we should be more direct and go with 3 up toP.

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Lets keep this thread going,
1-1, is ally crap or what ?

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25 Aug 2012 18:10:23
Billionaire Arif Naqvi is the largest shareholder in our club, owns 18%, personal wealth of 4.2 Billion, green pulled another marvel out the bag?? guy has invested 2 million.

Im not reading into this to much i know we're not going to spend daft amounts again, but at least we know we have good backing along with mike ashley and sports direct which will make good money for the club.


WATP

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But these guys are not bringing in more moeney, they looking for fast buck as lots like gers fans will pay 6 million a year for DIv3 footy... WOW!!!

So investors will make £4 million a year with that plan, as long as fans go alone with it... ? NOT!

GERS still bleeding to death and more likely to go back into admin, Alley has 5% and does he have £10million if needed ?

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Green has said he sold over £10m in season tickets so vat at 20% leaves £8m among the investors. After that it's share issue, paper useless shares that never get traded or pay dividends and owners run away with the takings.

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And you base his assumption on what.why do so many fans have to be so negeative i know we have been shafted over the last few years but lets givevthe new set p a chanceandvstop being so full a gloom ffs

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Not being negative, but just because a guy with £4.2 billion buys shares does not mean that he is going to bankroll the club in the fashion of Man City or Chelsea.
Al

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Ok, the money 'invested' by these people is actually a loan, is that not right ? so new rangers owe ally mcoist money. he is also agent to some of those players who walked away. wtf ?

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25 Aug 2012 14:37:52
Getting worried about the number of investors we have at the moment,for every pound they input they will look for at least double.When we get back to the top qualify for europe etc. these people will take our money and run. Remember Rangers belongs to the fans .jaz.rtid

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Op without investors we would have no team on the park to support

JG

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You will have a chance to buy shares, if they make money , fine.
If Rangers does belong to the fans, then buy shares, easy

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Shares in football clubs are worthless, everyone knows that. Investors don't trade them. They just sit and stagnate and never pay a dividend as profits are never declared.

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Why is it all middle east and far east Muslim guys? And where does their money come from? Is it clean? We don't need more owners bringing scandals.

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26,000 had shares in rangers... a lot thier shirts.... so we been down that road.....

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Its not your money its theirs the club belongs to them

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When get back to europe... ? Yet to be banned form there... 10 years or more. {Ed039's Note - Ok Mr know it all, you really think so)

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25 Aug 2012 14:09:04
I e-mailed Rangers yesterday in regards to my elderly Grandmother. She is 88 now and has loved Rangers since she was a child. Followed us up and down the country, europe, everywhere.

She has a room in her house dedicated toRangers which is jam packed with memoribilia etc.

I wanted to arrange something special for her as due to limited vision and old age she can no longer attend the games but mainly because she overcame breast cancer around 5 years ago after been given around a 20% chance of surviving the operation.

Understandably Rangers can only offer stadium tours due to the schedules of playing and coaching staff.

Does ed or anyone know of any events coming up involving player/coach meetings/photos, or any charities or organisations I could contact to arrange something?

My Grandmother has done the ibrox tour a million times and has a brick with her name on it.

Any help would be appreciated bears...

Jbear {Ed039's Note - I am not their greatest fan J but you could maybe contact some of the supporters trusts/assemblies as they will know quite a bit about public appearances etc)

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Celtic fan here. Your Grandmother sounds like a fantastic wee lady. Im sure if you write to your club they will do something special for her. Give her my best wishes. Julieghirl.

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Will do ed cheers

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Rangers Charity Founation ball in November, we went last year, great food and all the players and Ally and Walter were there. I am sure your wee Gran would love it x

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Matey, Celtic fan here, I has some friends over in glasgow during the off season from India, during this period the tours were suspended because of various issues, my mother did a personal visit to Ibrox, explained that these visitors had travelled 6,000 miles, and has only ten days in glasgow, Rangers arranged a private visit for them and did not charge them anything..... Both Celtic & Rangers gave them good tours, however they were unable to get to visit Hampden because of the Olympics (but fully understand and respect that position).

I suggest you make a personal visit and explain the details.


Timmie Goa

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Thanks for the replies guys, will look into all of them!

Jbear

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25 Aug 2012 12:45:33
Just had a look through Duff &
Phelps Progress Report to Creditors yesterday.

From 30 June till 10 August they are
being paid £362,389!

Disgusted as they don't seem to be actually doing anything as far as I can tell. Just think what we could have did with that money!

Hamish Watp

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Surely the newco won't have to pay that though as they are involved with the oldco. {Ed039's Note - Paid from creditors pot)

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With Mr Whyte probably on commission from D&P, it makes you sick. Hopefully the cops and administrators governing body get to the bottom of this.

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All the i's to dot and t's to cross.
They've got some legal mess to clear up before BDO bring down the final curtains on the club that was founded in 1872.

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I think when BDO get to work they might have problems claiming a lot of their fees.Still waiting on the court report on them also.

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Whyte appointing D&P was not usual protocol at the court of session. Some say wrong decision by the judge.
Whyte bought rangers fc with a D&P director in tow advising him. Whyte and Zd&P directors have shared directorships of other companies. Judge has asked for statements and report from D&P explaining conflict of interest concern. Is D&P giving Whyte a back hander for the insolvency business?

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If I was a creditor I would be fuming that D&P listed that over a hundred and forty grand had been spent on PR & Media costs. WTF? Money that could have went to the likes of the Ambulance service and others?

BARNEY BEAR

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Good bless Duff & Phelps. Seriously, that mob stink to the high heavens. But then, I suspected as much when Craig Whyte almost ran from Glasgow to Edinburgh within a couple hours just to get them appointed before HMRC put their own administrators in. Can't help but think they were put in their to do a very specific job.

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7)... You very nearly got it.
HMRC administrators would have saved the club. They would have managed it properly and exited Administration with a manageable indebtedness repayment plan. But this wasn't what Whyte and his associates wanted. They wanted zero debt and liquidation.

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25 Aug 2012 12:26:51
All fans of SPL teams posting about
history,google AC Fiorentina.

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They bought their history back for millond we don't have.

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And that's a different country with different rules.

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Different rules apply in italy, they didn't start from the bottom like what happened with us.

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Ignore the SPL fans, they are bitter at the fact they will never be Rangers.

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Thought we all come under UEFA and ultimately FIFA rules chaps. If it can happen in Italy it can happen here.

Wise auld Bear {Ed039's Note - No, Italian courts are different when it comes to businesses and liquidation and redistribution of assets)

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Loving the fact that someone disagreed that Italy is a different country lol

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@6) it's what u get in here with Bears lol.
Jam tart.

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Sports clubs cant be liquidated in italy they bought back the old club same as that yank was going to do with yous but yous will be liquidated so thats the difference {Ed039's Note - Fiorentina were liquidated, a newco bought the rights and goodwill of the former club, which is what green claims to have done)

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Uefa co-efficent puts us at 50th in the world, if that's without history then Div 3 games get yi some amount o points....

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Ed regarding 8)..... Glad to see you said Green claims........ Green's claimed loads a stuff, he's full of it and you know it, I know it and everyone knows it. He's a chancer. {Ed039's Note - Well, I say claim, it was in the agreement to purchase with D&P, but "goodwill" is difficult to define)

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Fair point ed but im sure it was the Italian FA who had the say in restoring Fiorentina history not an Italian court...therefore ultimately Fifa rules?

I may be wrong mate

Wise auld Bear {Ed001's Note - they went to court, the FA never had any say.}

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@9: that's the old club - remember that liquidation has still to take place so, in theory, the oldco still exists to UEFA.

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Fiorentina was a company law issue for the Italian courts.
Rangers football club was never bought by Green. That football club with its history still exists and is being managed by S&P through to liquidation by BDO.
Green bought a stadium.
Oh and how much goodwill can you buy from a company being liquidated owing 276 creditors up to £140m?? Goodwill don't make me laugh!

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Ed your wrong Fiorentina where bankrupt and became dysfunctional and sold their assets who started a new club then they bought the old club and merged it they where never liquidated because that cant happen in italy to sports clubs rangers will be liquidated which means a high court judge will officially state that club can no longer trade theirs a big difference between bankrupt and liquidation

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25 Aug 2012 12:01:03
everytime someone calls the radio and asks if our titles will transfer to the newco, they are told they will, despite our aparantly more knowledgeable celtic friends saying they wont. but worst case scenario ,if they dont,and we win the spl again in 4years,which we will. any record book,worth there salt is hardly going to say, oh this is the first title of a new club are they. they are going to say 54,plus1.which for cetic fans out there,adds up to 55.rangers are rangers.same club,slightly different name,bit less debt.but same club,same history,forever.when we win our next 54titles in around 70years time it'l be 108.not 54.

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You're assuming no titles will be stripped as a result of financial doping?
I admire your optimism.

I'm afraid to say that liquidation has the consequences of "The End".
By your logic Third Lanarks history could be acquired by any club or for arguments sake a new entity called "The Third Lanark".

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Anybody remember charlie green saying if the cva isnt agreed rangers will lose their history?

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A daft post from a daft person, nothing to see here, move along.

Michael Exadurating Laudrup.

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Thank god you got all your info from call in radio station, I was worried that there would be no creditable soures to tell us th truth and we all know how radio stations know the rules of the game and all the ins and outs. These the same ones who said everything was ok cause there are billionaires and war chest, good job in finding the right ppl to tell you what you want to hear as they are prob a supporter of yours, have you ever heard of the game broken telephone? Cause it seems thats the game all you fans are playing instead of going to uefa(the leaders and rule makers) and check the facts

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If we win the 1st division and then then the SPL it will Be 56 and counting {Ed039's Note - What?)

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Check the History, it lists all the 1st Division wins and adds the SPL wins. 54, plus the next DIV 1 (same trophy) = 55, then
next SPL win = 56 LOL {Ed039's Note - Erm, OK)

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I listened to Roger Hannah the other day saying that the Leeds situation is the same as Rangers. Leeds were never liquidated and the creditors agreed the CVA twice. The press in this country is shameful and have never done anything to hound the people that killed your club. This has been bad for you and all of Scotiish football.

I suppose you just listen to what you want to hear. (like me with the wife)

Shuggy

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@6: eh, no, your logic is utter guff.

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25 Aug 2012 11:29:20
For all expat bears, further to my post yesterday regarding rangers tv, just been on the website and the game on sunday will be shown live

go to rangerstv.tv, click on matches and the berwick game is available

i only got 30 unbelievables yesterday for my post lets see if timmy can beat that today

JG

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25 Aug 2012 11:12:33
Do you not think it is time for Ally to step back from the politics and get on with managing the team
Time to stop all the whinging we are where we are lets do our talking on the park. Constant sniping is making us seem like a spurned wifie

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Would love to agree with you my friend but it's abundantly clear that Ally is far better at whinging and politics than he is at managing .

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25 Aug 2012 10:04:39
If you own 5 percent of a company and more shares are released you would still have 5 percent of a company but have more shares, so all this tosh about shares becoming diluted is total garbage.

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5% of company with £100 million in assets is worth £5 million. Nice.

But float 50% of company to fans, and you original %5 now only has £2.5 million in value?

how is this same ?

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If the majority shareholder at a board meeting votes it through to dilute then even against all minority less than 49%, voting against it, it will happen.

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Eh no its not you have the completely wrong.

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25 Aug 2012 08:58:39
Dear Ed039 i am a Celtic fan but am writing to tell you and fellow bears i lost my beloved mother 3 weeks ago aged 78, she was a massive Rangers fan all her life travelling regularly on the supporters bus in her younger days, she is now in heaven and took her Rangers scarf and other memorabilia with her and to me she will always be SIMPLY THE BEST {Ed039's Note - Condolences pal, all the best and thoughts are with you and your family)

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Respect to u and your mother pal

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Condolences mate, does n"t matter who you support when it comes to this , my best wishes to you and all your family.
craig+babybear

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God bless you and the family

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25 Aug 2012 07:50:17
Noticed yesterday that when uefas rankings came out the Gers were placed at number50, higher up the rankings than our rivals.
Not that bothered about our place at the moment but more the fact that UEFA recognise us as the same Rangers Football Club. Guess this puts to bed all this nonsense from our rivals that we are only a month old, etc.

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The old rangers are not liquidated yet.
so are included at the moment.

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Of course Ex Rangers are in the rankings, it's taken over the last 4 years, but as you can't add to that now the Ex Rangers will year by year drop out.

Vambo

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You haven't been officially liquidated yet

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No, it's not an end to the 'nonsense' as you put it. what has been recognised by UEFA here is the achievements of the former club, which is shortly to be liquidated.

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Did you look at the last game they have listed for rangers, have a wee look and come back to us

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Why ? Thats a rating for old co

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Celtics not your rivals {Ed039's Note - Why you keeping updated on all things Rangers then?)

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Give it a rest, Celtic are better than rangers just, get on with it from a fellow gers.

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It's historical mate.
They also got our last game as St JOhnstone.

Unfortunately both Uefa and Fifa reard liquidation as the end game for a club.

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Because the liquidation of the old club has not taken place yet.Man,theres gonna be a riot when you are finally told the truth

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Yes but the oldco isnt called Rangers it is RFC 2012 and that is not what it says in the UEFA rankings.

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I've said this on another post, but yregardless of whether you think we're the same club or not, the last game on UEFA is our last SPL game. They don't seem to recognise the SFL on their website (if you look at the Scottish competitions, they only list the SPL and the Scottish Cup - the League Cup isn't there and this is an SFL run tournament).

Also #11, we are/were never called after the company name. So the RFC2012 analogy doesn't really work - sorry!

Who cares what UEFA/Celtic etc think - we're still playing in blue at Ibrox so as far as I'm concerned it's still Rangers and I'll still support them regardless of whether we're the most successful club in the world or the newest club in the world! {Ed039's Note - Great post bud)

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