Rangers Banter Archive February 25 2013

25 Feb 2013 21:50:48
Hi Ed
I wanted to pick up on the points of the weekend and the singing; I have followed Rangers for 33 years from the age of 10, to my tender age of 43. I have been at Ibrox and Hampden and I have chanted out every single song that was being belted out at the time. I am now a father and I am reluctant to take my kids to the games as I can see that this type of behaviour is not acceptable and while I think we have all moved on from the bad old days there are still a few nutters who can’t move on.
I am still keen to see our club prosper and we should never forget our heritage or foundations but the atmosphere is not the best to introduce kids into this, I spoke to a mate who is a Dundee United man and he says there is horrid singing at their games against a several other teams in the SPL.
He said he felt Celtic fans sign about the IRA and Rangers Fans about the UVF. This can’t be a good place for kids. I am desperate to take my son to Ibrox to see that famous Glasgow Rangers but I don’t want him to pick up on the foul language and the sectarian crap. However I would love him to hear the Ibrox roar and the team surging forward and the fans singing Blue Sea of Ibrox or Penny Arcade, goods songs no hatred just passion for the Rangers. My boy is the next generation and if we want kids there we need to forget the BS and move forward.

Time to rise above the horrors of the past & let’s celebrate our fantastic football club and forget about the others.

FJ LH

Lets hope you and your boy can get back soon mate. surely the message has sunk in to their thick skulls.

You admit you sung the songs so you are one of the fans responsible for turning ibrox into a place you won't take your son to you can't just change your tune because you feel like it and point the finger else where without facing your own guilt and blame

I've now read pages & pages of opinion regarding the singing and chanting in Berwick on saturday and conclude that I'm mighty relieved and extremely proud to establish that the good guys by and far outnumber the bad on this issue as is perfectly illustrated by FJ LH. the good guys will prevail and hopefully the future generations will be free to watch the football for all the right reasons regardless of their teams colours.

@2. The guys put his hands up and said he's moved on. Fair play to him. He want something better for his kids,, that's what a decent dad should be about. This sectarian stuff is poision, I'm an expat and there no way my boy is coming back to Glasgow for schooling with this still going on. Well done OP.

So why all the goody 2 shoes now, its been going on for years, just because guys like brown, blair, salmond, and the 2 ass holes that are in just now snap their fingers and the enforcement boys are on our back, I've a cd in the house produced by rangers its called youl know us by our noise, the thing is itl never disappear, it might from the football side of things but society in scotland will always be the same and we all know the real reason why and I don't need to give you the true answer to that as we already all know doug t. s. o

@5. Goody two shoes! I'm speechless. It's called progress. let's keep up the bile and end up like Northern Ireland, or Palestine or let's to the whole hog and have a final solution. Zero tolerance for bigots is the only way

English doug. its guys like you that give rangers a bad name.

The whole bigotry thing is pathetic I actually stopped posting under my old bame because I just got tarred with the big sectarian brush because of where i'm from and for some reason my posts had much more disagrees than any I've posted since, we know what we can & can't call people, I just want to put a quick note out on Racism why do we get called scots for short & there's nothing wrong with that but Shorten down Pakistani & you could be facing court? There's words that shouldn't be said but I really don't see what's the difference there call me whatever you want just don't punch me in the face. Sticks & Stones.

What does Penny Arcade have to do with Rangers or football, always wondered. Please explain?

@8: facing court would be the result of using another word wither before or after the shortened version of it but I get your meaning. Maybe it's because of the fact that Scots hasn't carried negative connotations for years whereas the shortened version of Pakistani has.

Words can have extra meaning. Remember that words have often started violence, rather than violence starting it. If it offends others, within reason, maybe it's best not to say it.

@8
Sorry to be pedantic but scots isn't shorten version. We've always been Scots. Scotland is literally the land of the Scots. The traditional name for the monarch was king or queen of Scots, NOT king of Scotland.

Anyway words change meaning and become offensive over time. The word N@gro is originally and still is simply the Spanish/Portuguese for the colur black. The word N!gger was originally just an alternative spelling!

They are now so offensive that I am sticking symbols in!

100 years ago to call someone a bugger was about as bad as it got!

If you know a word describing a group of people is viewed as offensive by them but still choose to use it then you are being deliberately offensive. Find another word they don't find offensive, English is such a big language.

To the hi ed guy sorry mate one thing you will never do is take your son to see (the famous glasgow rangers)they don't exist any more you can take him to see THE RANGERS, a new team formed in the third division, but you will never get away from the filthy songs, they say its the minority so why have, nt they got rid of them, its been going on for many many years and there's more than. a minority doing it. I think there's a few blinkers worn in govan

@12 exactly mate, especially the first few games after administration they sang all their songs with gusto at ibrox and nothing was done then!
Their media friends just called it defiance and unity! But never condemned it! Funny that!

25 Feb 2013 20:02:35
I for one think the so called fans singing songs on Saturday have only given ammunition to the anti-rangers brigade, just look at the comments on the other mobs page and by their own ED. I watched their match yesterday and was I the only one to hear sectarian songs/comments being sung?
Please let's get our house in order and stop the songs that could damage our great club.
Everyone is out to have a pop at Rangers at the minute and this could really damage our rebuilding.

Are you serious? yes, you are the only one who heard sectarian chanting, because there was none. Pop at rangers? Start with the bigots who shamed the club mate.

OP Yes I am serious, keeping a green flag flying I'm sure you know the words. Its clear to be heard, in the first half.
So please don't take the moral high ground, disappear back to your own site where they have knowledge of everything Rangers and now selective hearing it appears.

@2# Actually I don't know the words. Never even heard of a song called that. I repeat, as have plenty rangers fans, there was no sectarian singing at celtic on sunday

@ 2 what's wrong in singing about green flags are you so bigoted we can't even have green flags now

I am sure there was sectarian singing at both old firm matches this weekend, but the point is the rangers fans singing was clearly audible on tv coverage.

Good celtic fans could drown out their imbiciles. as the majority will win

At rangers with just 2000, if 1000 are singing and 1000 not, then 1000 win - as for 20 mins THEY COULD BE CLEARLY HEARD!!

police have video (alley that's why so many of them), and now rangers COULD act and use video to suspend the core. but they wont, as ever.

Green played this card for short-term gain, at expense of long-term prosperity for rangers.

No2: I think the song your talking about is "let the people sing", which is actually played over the tannoy at halftime at cp.

25 Feb 2013 19:35:29
if some of the Rangers fans were going to continue with the songs they should have told the fans who bought the shares, just in case we are going to be left with nothing. Les

Les you know these people don't give a stuff for anybody else.

25 Feb 2013 17:51:09
dimwits halfwits lunatics, you only made a fool of the club you are supposed to love. you have not got the brains you were born with, I have always been proud to be a gers fan, you have taken that away from a fan of 76 years, BIG SANDY FIFE.

No one blames decent fans like you mate. the overwhelming response condemning them speaks volumes. proper fans have had enough.

So sandy in the 76 years didi you sing the songs, will in my 56 years I did doug t. s. o {Ed001's Note - I don't get your point. I have done a lot of things when I was younger, that I now look back on and think what a ****, what was I thinking? But I learnt from my mistakes and grew up and moved on. Isn't that what you should be doing now? Wouldn't it be great if, just for one day, we could talk about footie on here instead of this kind of crap?}

Hi ed 1, yes we all learn by a lot of things we do in our past, it didn't make me a bad person for my past, instead it improved me, yes your correct, spot on this is a football page not the eurovision song contest, so let's concentrate on football not on things like he sung this and he sung that, as I say sticks and stones blah blah doug t. s. o

Ed 1 the point I was making is in sandys 76 years following gers has he always been squeeky clean, I haven't and not ashamed to admit it either and probably the same goes for most of the other side doug t. s. o

Doug u should be ashamed to admit it, I for one am ashamed of the horrible things I have done and said in my past, have some remorse, shows u still feel same, not singing it but still feeling it, shame on u

25 Feb 2013 13:30:42
mark hately was on keys and gray talk sport. talking a lot of sense. saying no other country would treat one of there big two teams the way we have been treated. u knock down one of the two pillars that holds the roof up. all u are left with is rubble. all true. yet aparantly celtic fans were tweeting in disagreeing. how can u possably disagree its a fact. and as a rangers fan if this had all happened to celtic I wouldve said the same. I wish we could take all the bitter element fans outa both teams to create there own bitter little team and leave the rest of us alone

also I think his son would make a good signing

Are you mad? We broke rules. end of. I don't want to be a cheat. Happy to work our way back. This attitude is so wrong. Forget the bull WATP, no we are just people, same as everybody else.

But what was the alternative? It was in the rules, administration = ten point deduction. Liquidation= starting again in the third division. Are you saying both of the big clubs should be allowed to play to a different rule book? BT have just picked up the SPL coverage contract, they also bought ESPN, so there is an income stream there. Just get on with getting back to the top division, that's job number one.

So what your saying is or Hatleys saying is that it was ok to run up debts and liquidate so as not to pay them. Then come back as a new co and claim to be the same club but with no debt and just continue on as if nothing happened? Rangers messed up big style. The deserve to be in div 3 irrespective of being a big club. There not a big club anyway! Big clubs are run properly, they only have a large fan base.

If mark hateley talked sense it would be the first time, the guy talks rubbish and I'm a gers fan by the way.

What he was saying is that the punishment dished out to Rangers was to the detriment of Scottish football and if you can't see that you must be blind. Last week Rangers reserves won the league in front of 3000 fans, the same night the top two teams in the spl played in front of less than 10000 fans at BOTH games. No one cares because its too one sided. The attendances were falling when we were in the spl anyway but to take us out certainly did not help ANYONE.

OP if your finding sense from a Hateley conversation you need help. He is an embarrassment. And I'm glad to hear other fans with the right attitude regarding Rangers league status. Work your way back to the top. And if possible with a bit of dignity and without arguing every single little thing with the SPL, SFA. I can understand arguing about a few of the things but its everything like petulant school kids

Do u know how often real madrid have been in the mire finance wise. spanish government bailed them out every time. nit put them in the fourth division

@1

Spot on, and it is only a game at end of day anyway.

The spl and sfa have made a major mistake putting gers down you have hearts kilmarnock in big trouble and won't survive another year also look at crowd attendances theyr a joke

25 Feb 2013 20:27:20
@7 so you saying the government should have bailed rangers out?! After all the moaning that the country bailed banks out (stopping millions of people losing their lifelong savings) you think the country would have supported a FOOTBALL team bailed out?!

@5. When did the SPL take you out, I'm under the impression this is your own doing, the SFA could have thrown you out of football altogether as you are a new team. Now you are looking forward with a league title coming your way and a chance to build after Sept. still blaming everyone, just like Hately

@2 your talking pish wer is the rule that states liquidation= u start in third div airdrie started in the second div so stayed in the same lge that the old club wer in when liquidated sfa/spl making the rules up as they go along

@12, not sure of the exact details, but Airdrie United don't claim to to be Airdrionians. They bought over Clydebank and took their place in the league in Div 2. Airdrie have no history prior to 2002. So maybe it is you who is talking p*sh.
Al

@13 that is totally correct on both counts @12 is talking pish! persons like him are too busy complaining and taking all this personal that they refuse to see the truth!
Maybe @12 just thought rangers wanted to buy st mirren for the fun of it rather than gain their licence to the SPL!

@14 who said rangers wanted to buy st mirren at the end of the day ther was no rule prior to rangers bein liquidated that liquidation = 3 div point bein sfa/spl makin the rules up as they go along

@15 and rangers going over the books at st mirren were for what reason? Trying to show them how they could dupe the government or all of their creditors too? It is quite well known that this happened and a st mirren director was dismissed because of it!
Take the blue specs off mate and wake up to yourself! The old victim routine is getting quite tedious now!

25 Feb 2013 11:19:20
so let's see how our wonderful walter smith ally mccoist signings and murray park graduates are doing.
Not to mention the media darlings like mcgregor.

Alan Mcgregor (Greegsy) = dropped by besiktas. booed by fans. rumored to come back to low level english team in the summer. watch him drop leagues
Alan Hutton =rangers still laughing at this transfer. can't believe 9 million from spurs. player was found out by rednapp. Loan to Sunderland-failure
Aston Villa only because of mccleish failure. nottingham forest failure- now real mallorca fans booed him after osasuna game. watch him go to 1st division next

davie weir =joke that he played at 41 for rangers left insisting he could still play on and yet no club would take him even though smith would have gave him another year now coach at everton

Madjid Bougherra another media darling going to manchester united for 10 million. now at that famous club Lekhwiya and only for 1.7million.

kevin thompson=future rangers captain injury prone useless now training at hibs.

steven whittaker -norwich in reserves.

dorin going
=Goian joined Serie B club Spezia Calcio on a season-long loan in August 2012however spezi have sent him back due to poor performance

kyle lafferty hang your head in shame walter smith a nasty piece of workonand offthe pitch. 3. 25 million signing sold for free oh thank god.

So that's what keeps u going on a Monday morning knowing ex Rangers players aren't doing well at there new clubs?

To us it matters not a jot how they do after they leave Rangers! How many winners medals do they have between them?

Madjid Bougherra & Davie Weir were the best defender in the SPL!

Greegsy saved that penalty from Samaras which won us the league!

Alan Hutton was unplayable on the right in his time at Rangers and made us a pretty packet!

Goian can stay where he is couldn't care about him!

Lafferty had good and bad moments lovely winning goal against Celtic at Ibrox aswell!

Thompsons careers been riddled with injury & it's a shame for the boy!

Celtic have had some absolutely stinking players over the years Du Wei Majtsorivic Hoiveld Rasmussen Bangura ljunberg Robbie Keane he was a big success eh he got a medal? To name but a few obsessed sad little Timmy!

Madjid Bougherra & Davie Weir were the best defender in the SPL

alan hutton was unplayable.

and this tells you the spl is what

Actually can't believe you would class Davie Weir as a failure, the man was a great captain and a great servent to the club, we could use a defender of his quality right now

O/p what you on about Kyle lafferty (sold for free).

Where in the OP does the guy claim to be a tim? Think the point is that that lot went downhill after leaving

@2 great response LOL, my favourite Ian Andrews the legendary keeper at the 5-1 humping at Ibrox. The look of despair on his face as the goals kept going in, brilliant!

2) you forgot to mention Shaun baloney ( villa flop, Wigan bit part player) the Brazilian with the unusual name and the turncoat who was being courted by every top English club and ended up a flop in Russia.

Blueice

Prodan anyone?, lurch, flo, rosenthal to name but a few, how much did they're purchases cost £27m+

@2 How much of a complete f*d do you feel, you can't even tell who is a Bear and who is a Tim by their posts lol what a walloper!

@6 I ment to mention this in my post no one other than a tim would care & post that nonsense obsessed!

@3 but was what I said untrue? Yes the SPL is dire the Belgian & Turkish league puts us to shame! Bougy & Weir had a great record playing together & Alan Hutton was the top prospect in Scotland at the time hence why he was bought for £9 million.

8) nice comeback. Although we did get £6m back for flo.

Blueice

Haha some good responses lads. However Celtic might have bought some garbage but they bought it at a fraction of what Rangers did.

Much was it, 80 odd million spent in 3 seasons under Advocaat.

Lucky if he recouped a quarter of that in sales.

No wonder Oldco RFC went for a burton.

25 Feb 2013 19:30:07
@6 What about your great Aunty Niemi when he lost 5 at Paradise in Lubos first game, or Santa Klos who lost 6 a few years later. Stevie

@7: isn't Maloney a regular at Wigan?

Yes 14) And was captain the other week. 7 goals this season in the league. One of they're best players just now.

24 Feb 2013 23:37:02
whats happening with the kit deal? whos going to be the new maufacturer and when do we find out?

Green claimed weeks ago it would be announced in around ten days. Then last week it was a couple of days, so who knows

Why the hump about kit we have a shirt on our backs what more do u want

@2 is an income stream that keeps roof over our heads, and not securing one shows green as bad as whyte and murray in this regard.

Can you imagine any kit sponsor wanting to announce after the sectarian singing at weekend, no chance. If I was company with the deal, I would cut money by 50% immiediate due to negative publicity factor and see if green so desperate he will accept.

The commercial guys trying to tie up the deal for shirt sponser and kit manufacture will be delighted at the signing at Berwick!

25 Feb 2013 08:51:45
Finally it looks like the majority of our fans are sick of the bile chants that are blighting our club. For too many years we have let ourselves down with the chants and with fans not reporting the chants.
Hopefully now both Rangers and Celtic can eradicate this from the terraces.
It will be interesting to see what action the SFA take. The fact that the "tartan army" question Jimmy Hills sexuality is not acceptable either.

Ask any businessman, of which you bears have a lot of successful ones, no one will sponsor with that singing going on, not the size of company you need anyway. Talk about cutting your own throats. Actually sorry that's not fair to the majority but you really need to kick that lot out. And that goes for anyone on paradise singing crap too. let's move on. HH. Joe

Not a big Green fan but the delay surely suggests that somebody better than Sports Direct is seriously interested

This has gone on for years and we've still had kit deals with major players as have Celtic with their deals and their personic element. So don't see this as being a reason as to why no announcement. It's all about profit margins not pr.