Rangers Banter Archive March 25 2013

25 Mar 2013 23:35:18
Do we not think its time for us proper fans to get together and find out what's going on rather than the supporters groups who agree to everything under the sun without consulting the rest of us. We really need answers before season tickets are renewed because Charles Green, Traynor and Ally are only saying what we want to hear and a load of other nonsense ie Charles Green said history can't be retained without a cva and saying we had 21 million in the bank yet there is not much left. If I earned what they earned as a builder I would stay aswell but at this burnrate of losing a million a month we will never survive. Major cuts have to be made on and off the field something has to be done now as we are the fans that are paying and will end up with nothing when its to late. WE NEED ANSWERS NOW. we need to get a proper breakdown of the plans before we commit and give them our money and who owns what and how much money is left WATP

The Fan groups have been a disgrace through all of this turmoil. Charles Green has had an easy ride for long enough. To give him some credit he did raise cash, it was not his own remember, to save the club. Now coming to the end of his first season a financial picture should be available to all fans, not just the one's who belong to a group, and his way forward should be clear. When he took over he talked about trimming the expenditure, he has done the complete opposite.

25 Mar 2013 18:09:55
Rangers should sign Andy Geggan from Dunfermline no joke boy scores goals for them and is a battler in the middle of the park something we need ASAP because blacks not the answer so mr green and Sally get this boy signed there going down the swanny get him for free {The Ed039's Note - Scores goals for them? He has 2 goals this season)

ED, don't cut Mrs Geggan off like that!

Ally and Green have named six players in the last two weeks they are associated with. Only a matter of time until pre contracts signed.

26 Mar 2013 09:02:49
I have seen him a few times as he played for my local team Ayr United, he was very good and would be a great buy for playing in the second division. Ed - He did score quite a few for Ayr and he was a favourite with the fans, and is a real threat with his head for set pieces, i'm not going to lie, in the better leagues he would maybe struggle but for next season he would be a decent shout

Ayrbear

@2. When was this? Green also claimed five players at the Euro's were arriving, remember?

He's got to be worth a shot, anything is better than Ian black.

In February after the bad accounts Ally on STV from Auchenhowie. Jabba releasing player names to press. Big Rahman on STV news at six named six players. It was deflection from £1m a month losses news.

25 Mar 2013 18:51:52
I just don't believe the story that£21m was safely in the bank at December (stated in February), because little coming out is honest these days. Why not say how much was in the bank in February? I don't believe the loss is only £1m a month either. I don't believe Neil Patey's soundbites.
The football management is very poor and I think the financial management is poor (subject to accounts) but costs enormous for div3.
Chairman Murray should sack McCoist and Green.

Oh and Jabba and KJ and other DR/ SM tabloid hacks duped the fans with their stories of Whyte. Not one but two warchests, billionaire, venture capitalist when he was an insolvency practitioner. Jabba sold us Whyte now Jabba on six figures and feeding us greens guff. Unbelievable.

Tell the truth now, did you swallow all the nonsense? Only believe the date on a tabloid it will be the only thing that's true.

25 Mar 2013 17:02:17
Just a couple of names I have noticed are out of contract in the summer. I haven't heard any rumours or anything but was just wondering if you guys knew how much any of them would cost in terms of wages or if any of them could do a job for us.

Dean Furman (Oldham) David Clarkson (Bristol Rovers) Harry Worley (Oxford) Tommy Spurr (Doncaster) Scott Cuthbert (Leyton Orient) Paul Quinn (Doncaster)

I haven't followed the lower leagues in England this year so not sure how any of these lads have been getting on.
ICT have been signing out of contract players from the English lower leagues for a few seasons now and it works for them. I just feel that this is the way to go, not wasting money scouting out honduras. Well paid south americans are not best suited to the lower leagues of Scottish football. Just look at Em�lson Cribari. {The Ed039's Note - Dean Furman is on loan at Doncaster until the end of the season and is expected to sign a permanent deal if they are promoted, David Clarkson hasnt done much between both Bristol clubs)

That's a poor standard of player on that list even for Rangers. Not even Micky taking with that comment. Surely you must want better for your team. Didn't Furman used to be at Rangers, he was young at the time but didn't make a single first team appearance. Clarkson hasn't done anything since going to England. Cuthbert is a died in the whool Celtic man and was proper gutted he didn't make the grade at Celtic (my mate knew him well then). The rest are a very average bunch.

26 Mar 2013 10:18:36
I wasn't to sure to be honest mate. Furman is a decent player though, he is the only one I have seen a bit of this season with oldhams cup run.
As for the rest of them, I know none of them are quality but surely they can't be any worse than what we have now and the difference is they play at a lower level so there would be none of this pri madona/whinging attitute which has plagued the squad this season.
We are going to be playing in the second division next season, signing players who are only here for the money just hasn't worked, look at sandaza. I feel giving some lower league players a chance might be worth a shout. They are grafters who give their all playing infront of small crouds, can you imagine the passion they would have walking out at ibrox infront of 50,000?
Fair enough, these players might not be the answer, but after seeing some of the performances this season and the lack of effort and commitment by some of the players, I do think we need to get in 3-4 seasoned lower legue players who aren't afraid to take a tackle and know what it's all about.

OP.

Furnam was released by Rangers and honestly never heard of any other players on your list.

Clarkson is Phil O'Donnell's nephew, he would NEVER sign for Rangers. Forget that one, anyone from Hamilton will tell you that.

25 Mar 2013 16:34:14
I wish people would get of allys back the man has got us clear at the top of the league with basic players we all knew it wasn't going to be the football we, re used to but we dnt have that quality of player now. Yes he made mistakes during the season that even he would own up to but now is not the time to get on his or the players backs they need us more than ever now so let's back the bears and so the world why we are the best fans in the world. c'mon you teddy bears.

If you think what we have been subjected to this season is of an acceptable standard then you are either a non-season ticket holder who doesn't watch games and has an opinion anyway, or you are just utterly clueless. My guess however is that you are a combination of both. I have been to almost every game this season, I am entitled to say whether or not I agree with the manager's decisions and/or style of play.

s20c

R u not watching the dross being served up? Ally's signings since taking over have been woeful, he constantly plays players out of position and 1 up front at home in the 3rd division. Open your eyes McCoist is a failure as a manager and needs to go for the longterm benefit of the club. An annual wage bill which is over 200 times more than any other club in the division and his team have struggled in most games this season.

@1)everybody has an opinion just like the o/p. Seems like winning 3rd div by a country mile is not enough for some fans. Yes like you would have though we would be playing far better football than is being served up just now. If anything has shown up this season is we need a clear out of players if possible. Whatever Division we end up in my opinion we need at least seven players.
1)right back
2)two centre backs
3)right central midfield +creative midfielder
4)two forwards
As I say just my opinion. {The Ed039's Note - So a team then)

Op just what has ally owned up to? And he won't own up to anything for he blames everyone and never takes any blame. Take away your love for him and listen to him and look at the facts, you might be surprised and maybe that will hurt hence you don't want to do that

You can list all the players and positions you like the fact remains we need a manager who knows what to do with them, the only thing McCoist can mangage is to keep from grinning because he's taking the p__s out of every single one of us. Have said before will not return to Ibrox while he is at the club.

Haha ed039, I must admit I don't agree with some of your views, but your sarcasm is just sublime!

Melb bhoy

25 Mar 2013 14:27:03
Regarding Charlie and a move to England. Do you think that he's trying to tell you that, under the current business structure at RIFC and whoever owns the physical assets, there is no way you can compete with your east end cousins for the foreseeable future whilst keeping the vultures, sorry speculators, sorry institutional investors happy? There simply isn't enough money in the Scottish game for his plans to work - he has to look elsewhere. Also, don't you think that he should name the two clubs involved to give their loyal fans a chance do something about it before they find themselves in a similar position as yourselves last year?

Paddy Malarkey

You can't name the 2 teams, if they even exist. I think his plan is aimed at scottish footballs governing bodies. Its a threat, a hollow one, but a threat that us and celtic will leave you, so do what I want or else.
I thank the man for saving the club but he needs to stop the silly comments. We are not wanted and never will be in england.

Don

He has no right to mention celtic. celtic fc is an entirely separate business and looks after itself. the man is a buffoon.

How to win friends and influence People the Charles Green Way.

SPL league reconstruction vote in a couple of weeks and Charles Green decides to announce now we will be playing in England anyway in 5 years, in fact maybe before then.

Am sure that'll go down well with all the Scottish club chairman Chuck.

He never saved the club the club died he said that himself how many times

N4 you ought to listen to yourself totaly obsessed with the most succesfull club in the world

25 Mar 2013 12:01:41
Mr Green says he wouldn't accept an invitation to go straight into the Premiership - Cribari's gutted!

Foxy

Get worrying impression, green will force rangers to break EU law. like bosman.

Meanwhile the real story is trash football shares values in clubs which will loose out like Newcastle?

is there a multi-million pound gamble here with other peoples money?

Greens argument seems to be we have loads of fans (but half-empty stadiums these days). and therefore should be in top level.

So build 70,000 seat stadium and you get in EPL??

is he for real?

The Chuckmeister is a complete fantasist, who thinks the masses are hanging on to his every word/statement, get the feeling his BIG Yorkshire hands are empty and he's sabre rattling!

According to Green we would be worth £500m to £1 billion in the Premiership, so why would he turn down any invite at all?

Uk government borrowing £150billion a year to run the place.
persons think its a great time for Scotland to go it alone?
Cyprus going under joining Ireland, Portugal, Greece, Spain. France cannot help out as they're bust.
The pound dropping value.
And Stockbridge and Green saying the club's soon to be worth £500m with share price dropping saying millions of global fans when its lurching to season ticket sales early and nobody knows who owns the assets.

Audited accounts due soon. These should answer any questions fans have, except when will he stop with the stupid comments?

Hes not as stupid as regan doncaster and his benny hill clowns running our game

25 Mar 2013 10:43:04
At the start of the season, maybe just after the 2-2 draw with Peterhead, I posed the question in here regards Ally "what if he isn't the answer, what if he isn't good enough?" First off I'm not saying this in a "ha I told you so" sense and it wasn't meant just literally as a jibe after one poor result either at the time.

Needless to say it was met with the usual replies, no pre-season, nearly a whole new squad, just you worry about Lennon etc etc. Some of the more relevant answers wisely said that they were just happy to have a club to support given what had preceded it, which was fair enough.

My main point was he was a bridge, a continuum, between Rangers before what happened and after it. And don't go jumping down the oldco/newco claim, I have always said they are the same Rangers and still have all the trophies they won, I was in the opposition end as some of these trophies were won often enough to verify it.

Short of two episodes, the panel naming incident and his involvement in the coup on Green, he was a brilliant figurehead during the whole debacle. Someone the Rangers support could rally round.

If ever Rangers fans wanted a manager to succeed it was McCoist, not just for the success or because of his former legendary status as a player but as I mentioned at the top because he was a legacy of the SPL days and due to his unstinting efforts during the black days of the failed CVA etc.

Sure some players TUPE'd over but short of Wallace how many of the first team squad of then who came over will be vying for a first team place when Rangers do get to the SPL? Not many I would imagine. So it was no doubt desired by a lot of you that Ally was to be part of that journey from start to finish. A fitting reward for him and as I mentioned, a sort of continuum, the one constant throughout the whole journey arguably.

As weeks have went by and poor performance has been followed by poor result it has became apparent that this one issue has polarised the Rangers support into two very opposed camps. It speaks volumes that even with Division 3 near won that it is still prevalent in the mind.

My second love is the NFL and particularly the Chicago Bears, just last week it was announced that the team couldn't agree terms with 13 year linebacker Brian Urlacher. He epitomised the Bears in every way possible and yet while desperate to still play and more importantly desperate to still be a Bear the team claimed they just couldn't find the cash to keep him. It has divided the fans in much the same way as this.

Subconsciously I think a lot of Rangers fans wanted, dare I say, needed that continuity under McCoist in the same way as Bears fans wished it for Urlacher, let them retire and go gracefully after the job is done sort of thing.

I'm too young to fully remember and appreciate the feelings surrounding Rangers fans when John Greig was manager but there is one subtle difference, Ally will win a league title (though maybe not 2 League Cups and 2 Scottish Cups). Needless to say that is causing further turmoil amongst even his most previously ardent supporters, he has, in essence, completed stage one of the recovery.

I don't know what will happen nor what to do if you are a Rangers fan and a McCoist fan, damned if you do, damned if you don't arguably but the reason for the emotional conflict, I believe, goes deeper than Ally's managerial performances. I think for some of you it would be a body blow if he wasn't at the helm throughout the whole rejuvenation of Rangers and understandably too.

Gaz

Gaz what a great post mate well worth a read. Youve nailed it there I do want Ally too stand down as Manager because on the pitch his managerial skills have proved to be short of what's needed at Rangers because of this great opportunity we have to rebuild the right manager is key. I really don't want his good name tarnished he's a Rangers Legend a great personality & well respected throughout football I'd like him to work for Rangers I don't know how but there should be a job theee for him whether he'd like to carry on is another question! Liked the wee bit on the NFL good to see other people over here follow it I keep tabs on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers went to see them as a lad and bought the Jersey I like most sports though find myself watching NBA now it's on Sky the footballs got so bad i'm more excited about the Darts on a Thursday night than the game on a Sat/Sun anyone who knows me will know that's way out of character.

Larky Bear

No body blow, plain as the nose on your face, you can re-package that man anyway you like saturday was a body blow to his future it ended on the pitch
of Ibrox. It showed the fans no i, ll put it another way it rubbed in the faces of its paying public its total inability to run a football team that man is walking the mile, walking the green mile. he should be left to get on with it then do what he knows needs to be done. Les

I was around thru greigs tenure, I used to walk with my wee pal from maryhill, on weds nights we would walk down byres rd, up to yorkhill and across on the free fery to govan, where we would organise our lift over the turnstyles, we would often stand outside a pub as the men, just finished work would have have their final cuppla pints before following them to ibrox, and getting the cherished "lift over", we were often poor, but it was always exciting, we were lucky enough in those days to see a fewgems come through, bobby russell, aly dawson, and the greatest of them all, the coop,, then again we also seen some donkeys, too, I won't name them, what I'm saying is gaz is that all fans want their heroes to be heroes for ever, the thought of ally being showed up as incompetent as a manager was unthinkable, as it was with greigy, we wanted allys legend to go on so much that we allowed for the first early warnings,, he is probably a great righthand man, but he isn't suited to the boss position, there are real mitigating circumstances, but many 3rd div bosses have worse problems, without the expectations granted, I believe he knows the time is right for a new team and new gaffer, etc, if ally has not lost the plot I believe he will resign when the leagues won, and I hope the media and others don't jump on the walking away speech, ally was speaking of rangers supporters not players, managers etc, tommyblue

Would love 1) to explain utter tripe and for the record I despise Traynor.

Larky, I saw the Bucs the only time I saw the Bears in Chicago (2 days to Xmas 1990 bloody freezing!) and again when they played them at Wembley in 2010. And here's me a Celtic fan supporting a team that play in blue and orange, d'oh! :)

Gaz

I've loved NFL since I was young remember going to watch the Claymores once and it was just constant stop start one of the most gruelling & cold experiences of my life lol i'd love to go to one of those international series games down in Wembley though!

Larky Bear

@2) I'm not trying to repackage anything, it is almost palpable how much Rangers fans have wanted him to succeed and now it's appearing it's the horns of a dilemma for those same fans. Some of you have made up your minds already but I doubt there has been a Rangers manager in history who went into the job with as much goodwill, perhaps Greig aside.

Performances wise it's a no-brainer but as can sometimes happen in football and the NFL as I mentioned earlier, sometimes these things are multi-layered and needless to say some Rangers fans are conflicted about it, a heart or mind decision if ever there was one.

Larky, I've been to the Wembley games 4 times, 88, 89, 2010, 2011 it's a good day out and tickets are reasonable enough, accomodation and travel are probably your biggest expenditures but worth the trip.

Gaz

@6. Gaz, hard to take some of what you say seriously after the stuff you posted last week. Scotland invited to 1966 World Cup and silly SFA refused?that was 1950 mate, not 1966, in 1966 Italy papped us oot in qualifying. don't have to google either. and you were also bumping gums about how many titles we won between 1964 and 1987. and despite two goes at it, you still missed out 1975. some of your stuff is ok, but get your facts right before telling other posters that they're making it easy for you.

Indeed 7) I forgot about the last old first division and indeed mixed up 50 and 66. I can admit when I'm wrong. Yet again I don't know who you are, OP in the other thread or not?

Gaz

I am not a bear but I do think Ally is a legend with your club. I would hate to see him lose the legendary status he built up with Rangers and Scotland. He proved so many managers wrong when they wanted to ditch him. They stuck him on the bench then, when things were desperate, they brought him on and he scored goals! I do not think he is the man to take the club forward but he has to be moved over with dignity. Someone earlier commented that he was a good right hand man and I think that was bang on. Just my take on the subject as I enjoy reading the banter on many of the sites and the Ed's do a great job keeping control

25 Mar 2013 09:20:37
If Charles green sacks mccoist or mccoistwalks would and should he ask Walter smith?would the fans accept that or be against it. p. s why does Charles always talk about epl when rangers have a bad result?

I just want to move forward in every way and Walter would not be a move forward, simply a move sideways or back. just like the team would play again under him!
As for the question about Greens ramblings Pedro. That's not a question that's worth asking as you'd have to be a complete person not to recognize clumsy diversionary tactics when you see them!

25 Mar 2013 09:05:19
Charles Green. More mad staements. Desperado. He is bad for Rangers, rank bad.

25 Mar 2013 07:36:32
Chuckie talking about English football in 5/10yrs time, get the feeling there's a panic about season tkt sales!

Fans have the power at this moment in time. Last season fans dumped their hard earned onto green and he proceeded to run things his way. Now fans have the financial muscle again and should make changes before buying tickets. Cherry picking games an excellent strategy.

@1 Sorry got to disagree, if you do this, I don't think there will be any kind of Rangers
Tam

25 Mar 2013 03:09:27
I really don't think that the way forward for us is Ally. We need to bring in someone that can work with youth and play nice football! I go to watch rangers every week away and at home I think that we fans deserve a lot better football than that for what we pay! I honestly think we need to go out and buy young 18 to 20 year olds that will be hungry to play everweek and will grow to learn that they have to win not the likes of sandaza's and blacks and shiels because let's be honest they are here for the money and I don't want that I want players to be here to be playing for the jersey! I will always go and support my team but think that there needs to be change! WATP