Rangers Banter Archive November 25 2017

25 Nov 2017 22:59:53
First time on this. I think our pronlems come from the very top. Our chairmen trusted 3 numptys to pick a manager and bankrolled him to the tune of 10m signing diddys that are quite clearly hopeless and no good enough. Imo the clear out must start with king and his 3 blind mice.

25 Nov 2017 23:50:00
Ok Jake, . Who bankrolled the 10 mill you mention and who is going to roll up and buy the club 20-30 mill and then bankroll another,10 mill+ for January window.
Just asking?

26 Nov 2017 09:17:35
There has also been a fair bit of cash spent on repairs to the stadium. I think it is funny that last year people were saying this I'd a long road and will take a few years, yet one year later we expect to be winning the league and ready to play in Europe. Things will take time but if reports are true that we are waiting until after the agm to get a manager seems sensible as getting a resolution on the rights issue passed will help generate money that will enable us to get the best manager we can rather than the budget one. After everything that has happened I don't want to see us jump into this as that would lead to more embarrassment. We just need to take stock, there are too many on here that only want negatives and look for them at any cost. Where were we 5 years ago, what was the standard of player like then, what sort of regime was in charge, what standard of manager did we have and for the main positive we now have a youth system in place that is better than any time in my memory in fact for the best part of 50years it was non existent yet now we are doing something that will put us in good stead for years to come it shall save a fortune and could bring in one too. The football world has moved on and bypassed Scottish football with its money and the fitting up of European competition to suit 4 leagues we must realise where we are, where we have been and what we need to do to get back. A few years of hard times will seem like nothing when we are producing youth that can take us back there, as that is the only way as we can no longer afford to buy in, so the last thing I want is the quick fix that wins us the league robs the young players of their chance they move on for peanuts become amazing and we can't afford to resign them and we end up in financial ruin. To me our youth is such a sign of encouragement that we should do everything we can to make them succeed it is the only way we will ever see £30/ 40m players playing for us, and before anyone starts saying that our players will never be worth that, well look across the city not at dembele as he was a bargain buy that will also generate them a fortune but to young Tierney that boy like it or not is a £30m player and will have an amazing career no matter where he goes. At our own club the foreigners were good but davie Cooper, Ian ferguson, Derek Johnson, willie Johnson, Willie Henderson, Jim baxter, ally mccoist, sandy Jardine and John gregg were better and all Scottish that if playing today would be worth 10's of millions each and were all men who played for the jersey and would have played for less money than any imports.

26 Nov 2017 09:38:07
Can't disagree with anything u say gary75. We r all hurting massively at the moment. the AGM should give us a clearer picture of where we r heading. Next managerial appointment MUST b right one. If we have to wait another couple of weeks so be it. Jury still out on DOF appointment however he seems to be getting the scouting sorted out. No use having a 14 million quid training facility that costs plenty to run each year without getting a return on it. Stay strong Bears we WILL get there. FIRB

26 Nov 2017 10:01:29
Well put mate!

26 Nov 2017 11:29:13
bil72 Who bankrolled the £10 million?

Mainly us fans buying season tickets.

As for the theory that we are waiting until after the agm to get a manager I would say it's more likely that the board are waiting on the final Dave King/ Concert Party ruling as this could prove highly negative for the club.

26 Nov 2017 11:32:18
Superb, well thought out post, and refreshing against all the negative stuff. The board have stabilised our club and injected serious cash, it's unfortunate that neither Warburton or Caxhinia worked out, but that's life. It is crucial to get the right manager in now, and if it takes time, then so be it. We have a decent pool of players just need 2-3 quality additions and we will be fine. A good striker to take the strain off Morelos, a dominating midfielder to run the show, and a winger. We are climbing a large flight of stairs and need to take one step at a time. Follow follow.

26 Nov 2017 11:51:12
Well said Gary, a manager who can improve young players and will get them in the team is my main priority, hopefully with the scouting now addressed we can pick up a few players on the way up also!

26 Nov 2017 12:01:23
Our season ticket money pays for day to day running of club including wage bill for staff and players.
So yes I believe board made investment to back Pedro but unfortunately it has not worked out.
I think our squad has improved overall since last season but we need someone to get best out of them and organise them. We are still on our journey back to the top and we are bound to have setbacks along the way. Hopefully this is a turning point, lessons will be learned and we will move forward and upward.

25 Nov 2017 20:03:29
if Pedro, Murty and others upstairs can't see how bad Windass, Herrera, Dalcio, Hodson, Krankjar, Holt, Pena etc really are then we do have a huge problwm. what message is it sending to our younger players that they are even WORSE? get a life WOMENS football is better than ours. None of these characters should ever wear the blue shirts again. One thing Pedro DID GET RIGHT, Miller is like an exhausted oxygen cylinder, no use on or off the pitch, the guy is finished altogether.
Get our new manager BEFORE we face Aberdeen on Wednesday, please.

26 Nov 2017 09:58:46
When you dabble in the transfer budget that we have, there's no way you'll get it 100% right.

Of the summer signings Pena, Herrera and dalcio will never be good enough. Cardossa maybe backup.

Of the current squad, unless we get major investment, I see the following as good enough (just) :


Wes
Tav, mcrorie, alves, Wallace
Candias Jack, dorrans, John
Morelos

But, we are woefully short of real quality in key areas.

If the above is all we have, while better than last year, are they good enough to challenge- no. Are they good enough for second- definitely.

A good manager should have that team functioning Far better than they are.

The board have made a major error in appointing Pedro and subsequently wasting transfer fees. For less we could have had better.

It is essential that they make the right appointment. They need to get the best out of the above players and spend what money there is wisely. The new manager has to be the highest earner at the club, on merit, slowly bridging the gap at the top transfer by transfer.

It's a tough watch right now, but without the rumours of significant investment, it would be disastrous to rip it all up and start again.

26 Nov 2017 10:24:41
Mols73 - is the squad that bad you could only pick 10 players 😂😂😂who else would you have?

Btw I would play Cardoso, Move big Mccrorie into the middle with jack and hopefully have Tav and John bombing forward 👍

We are way short of players just now.

26 Nov 2017 13:23:29
It is mate. I could have thrown rossiter in there for example, but the rest will either only be squad players or never be good enough.

As it stands, I'd probably rather give a young lad s chance.

However, even if that's the team, we should be more than able to take 2nd

25 Nov 2017 17:36:43
U can't blame Murty for the recent defeats the guy is the under 20s coach or something this one is fully on the board there at fault . Not going to predict the new manager as I don't have a clue but I do know the board need to move pronto it's looking likely the new manager will be after AGM .

26 Nov 2017 12:57:46
he still picked the team, stated tactics and made the subs or was that the board. pc wouldn't have lost the dundee game

25 Nov 2017 13:42:48
mark Allan where are you hiding . you should be the one stepping in to manger s dugout until you decide who the manger is going to be. putting it on murty whilst you hide is just wrong. i'm hearing you are the man deciding the manager not dave king so where are you. you are director of football so start making some footb all decisions . the line up last night after accies defeat was way off. players should have been dropped after last week and you should have been the man to do it.

25 Nov 2017 14:49:44
I can tell you this much, he won't read your post.

25 Nov 2017 17:48:26
he certainly won't read it. he should however have stepped up to assist the guy they have thrown under the bus.

25 Nov 2017 19:34:39
Well said. Very SA very absent - in person and any comms on process. Poor.

26 Nov 2017 10:18:35
C'mon, you're not going to put Mark Allan in charge of coaching the first team. I'm sure he's involved behind the scenes in the areas he's employed to be.

Where I do agree is communication from ibrox is terrible

26 Nov 2017 10:23:52
I do feel sorry for Murty. He has been left hanging out there and the pressure is showing.

Reminds me now of when McDowell took over from mccoist. Didn't want to be there.

I hope there are serious answers at AGM.

25 Nov 2017 11:20:09
I was going to write a big spiel about how angry I am over the season being over again for another year but I think whatever I write has already been said and true. What an absolute shambles of a club we are. We pay good money as supporters and we don't deserve the level of commitment and quality displayed on the pitch. If i played for rangers i wouldn't stop running.

25 Nov 2017 18:24:06
If i played for Rangers it would be like playing with 10 men, I bit like having Windass in the team really

25 Nov 2017 10:51:37
Whatever happens we need to bench Miller and use him as impact Player. We need to push Elton to the LW and put Wallace of fit or Beerman at LB put either Hardie Pena or stick with Herrera who I'm really not sure of.
EVEN Dorrans playing behind Morelos if he's sticking with Holt and Jack in the middle.
I really think Jack plays better playing in front of back four with two mids in front of him and imo we should play a 4-1-4-1 with Jack amdDorrans

25 Nov 2017 09:54:57
Don't understand what has happens the last 2 games, from poor passing to people backing out of challanges, this is the simple stuff that just is not working! Our wage bill would read for intreasting facts, we have 3 -
4 players receiving very good paypackets that are not involved or looking like being involved, we have krnajar, rossiter Pena and Herrera to an extent the next manager has to know the structure to base the club on and get rid of guys that are collecting a wage as much as I would like rossiter to come good he will never have a run of games, meaning our bench last night had to be made up of players who are on there because we have no other choice, get Alan padrew in done well at teams he's been at will ha good contacts will sort our mid out again as much as I admire Holt for his work rate we get bullied in midfield if u have a look most goes we coincide are from midfielders we need a shake up and need it very soon.

25 Nov 2017 11:08:15
We must get at least 4 points from the Sheep get Smith in and stop the messing about. that's how I feel now! We cannot make the wrong decision and Walter would do as good a job as any that have been mentioned until end of Season!

25 Nov 2017 17:40:15
read somewhere top three earners in scottish football are alves, sinclair, pena. madness if that's true

25 Nov 2017 09:31:00
Morning everyone, haven't posted for a bit as have not been well. Watched the game on tv last night and must say that it was a pretty spineless and gutless performance. I also wasn't sure if Murty was going to explode with rage or burst into tears during the post match interview? A very sorry state but as a lot of fellow bears are saying we have to get the right man in next, even if it means waiting. Whoever is recruited must have some kind of funding for the January window.

25 Nov 2017 17:40:58
hope you are on the mend mate 👍

25 Nov 2017 09:08:40
The season has gone already and we'll be lucky to finish in the top 6. If the AGM is the watershed for appointing a new manager then the board MUST get a tried and trusted British manager in together with a transfer kitty for January. I still say Big Sam would sort this lot out but doubt if we could afford him. Recall Halliday, Forrester and O'Halloran from loan now and give them another chance. Rossiter, Dorrans and Wallace are all injured as is Alves. Play Hardie and Barjonas in the next two games to see what they can do. Very disappointing and unfair to the loyal fans who follow the club every week. How bad are we if we are as good as 12 points behind a team that was gubbed 7-1 in the Champions League!

25 Nov 2017 08:55:02
Delboy1979

I got absolutely slaughtered on here a few months back and got accused of being a Tim for suggesting we play around 4 or 5 senior players max and fill the rest of the team with the best our academy has to offer.

McCrorie looks to have a solid future at the club. He made a stunning debut at Thistle and was outstanding in his Old Firm debut. Granted he's made a couple of errors here and there but overall he's been a major plus point for us this season.

When Barjonas and Wilson signed contract extensions it made national news but have been given limited time in first team.

Barjonas looks physically stronger than the lightweight Holt and has a range of passes of which Holt simply does not possess.

Interchange Wilson and McCrorie alongside a fit again Alves so they can build up their experience, give Barjonas a chance and replace him for Holt.

Ryan Hardie is the Scotland u21 main striker. Banging in goals for them. So why isn't he been given a chance? He's a big, tall, strong lad who would compliment Morelos' fantastic ability to hold the ball up. Morelos clearly needs a partner up front. I cannot understand why Hardie has had to wait this long for a good run in the first team.

Argubably our best player this season has been young Declan John. Under 21 years of age. Plays without fear. Taken his chance. Far better player than Lee Wallace.

I'm confident there are a few others in the academy who hold their own in the first team.

Let's look at some of competition for a first team place :

Windass
D. Wilson
Hodson
Pena
Herrera
Holt
Tavernier
Dalcio
Miller
Cardoso.

25 Nov 2017 10:38:56
So you want to fill the team with youth players of which you have no idea of their ability. aye. that sounds like a plan!

25 Nov 2017 11:49:45
I've got to agree with a lot of what you say about academy kids. I've been banging on for a year now to play Hardie. Rossiter is obviously injury-prone but I wish he was fit. I'd start games with Kranjcar who could then be taken off after an hour or so. He is very creative. I agree about Beerman at left back and push John forward. It is a big issue of lots of money but we really need a couple of truly marquee signings. Dorrans and Alves were good signings but they are both injured! I'd offer a good fee for Moult in January then try and sign somebody like Peter Crouch or Jordan Rhodes on a short-term deal. I see Waghorn and Garner both scored for Ipswich last week lol. We should have kept Garner in my opinion.

25 Nov 2017 08:32:11
Watched the game on TV last night, was a terrible result and poor from most of the players.

While it’s clear we need a manager, we still need the right manager and if that takes more time then that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make. My biggest fear would be getting it wrong again.

My thoughts from last night are that there are a number of players who have dropped off form wise and shouldn’t be starting games. The problem is we don’t have enough players in the squad who are in any kind of form to get a starting 11 together.

This is a major worry and I can see us setting up very defensively against Aberdeen in the upcoming games. This may get us a result though!

For me it’s time to change the system. Our ‘wingers’ are crap and there’s no need for them to be in there when we have full backs just as far up the pitch. We would be much better served with an extra centre half and defensive midfielder in there to cover the marauding full backs.

If Jordan Rossiter is only going to be fit for less than 5 games per season then we need to replace him, in the meantime I’d give Barjonas a run ahead of that crap that played last night.

Moult is a must in Jan if we can get him on a pre-contract. He will have better offers I’m sure but if we can promise him he will start with Morelos if fit and give him a decent wage I think we could still get him. Motherwell might even be tempted by 300k if he’s on the pre-contract anyway.

25 Nov 2017 08:54:32
Moult should have been signed in the summer instead of the Carr horse Herrera. Morelos is another average player who has been culpable for missing some easy chances. I doubt very much Motherwell will be tempted by £300,000 for Moult probably have to be upwards of £500k. I would also think some English championship clubs will be interested so that ship might have already sailed.

25 Nov 2017 08:57:28
I completely agree to changing the formation wee bear. Cardoso Alves Wilson at the back Jack and McCrorrie sitting Tav Miller Windass attacking mid with Morelos up top. Type of thing team could be tweaked with who ever.

25 Nov 2017 09:00:51
spot on wee_bear

altho current squad is fairly average once fit i'd be starting alves over wilson
dorrans over holt
barjonas over candeillas

& moult if we can sign him up top with morelos

quality on park for us is poor bit so were accies and dundee but at least they have effort dig and togetherness

we don’t and look lost

25 Nov 2017 08:13:50
Action needs to be taking now fellow bears the board say the fans are the heartbeat of the club then let’s ahow them we are no t happy by voicing our opinions and taking action

25 Nov 2017 07:22:59
Might get slaughtered for this but get McCoist in there best we are gonney get

25 Nov 2017 13:02:37
we were dreadful when McCoist was manager, its too big a job for him and some of the duds he signed were worse than we have now

25 Nov 2017 07:04:37
The panel who decided that we should go down the Portuguese route and give him a transfer chest to waste should resign now, the fans are far too loyal and are being taken for granted . come the AGM there will be a motion to raise money again andcwe will all dig deep because we love our club but there comes a time when enough is enough, we have to start voting with our feet, maybe then these imposters won't hide behind daddy's fortunes and take responsibility for their actions and resign and let us bring in people who now what it takes to run our club, sounds, smith, as director's bad give us our pride back. just a wounded bear having a rant.

25 Nov 2017 08:41:45
Hope ‘Daddy’ gives him a thick ear for it!

25 Nov 2017 04:36:35
Mr King, I am Hurt, embarrassed, humiliated, ashamed but, I'm only a supporter that pays his season ticket year in and out. The only two I saw tonight that looked like I felt after the match were young Ross McCrorie and that poor dejected looking soul Murty. His interview after the match showed how much he was hurting, saying he failed as well as the players. It's not his fault We are absolutely rank, top 6 at best, no heart, no fight, NO IDEA what it is to be a Ranger.
So Wndarse scored again, with any luck that will be his last goal and game for us. I would have been grabbing the ball out the net to get the ball back in play to try and go on and win the game, but Windarse was too busy sticking his chest out thinking he's a playerWe don't have a good enough standard of player to challange for 3rd place. If we are looking to Kenny the headless chicken who can pass hee haw, to be the motivating captain, then we are really in trouble . And still we follow on. roll on the AGM.

25 Nov 2017 08:50:06
Great post i think that speaks for a lot of very frustrated and angry fans.