Rangers Banter Archive August 26 2011

26 Aug 2011 22:58:03
Right boys just keep faithful our boys pull it off every year, celtics looked better and played better for years and what have they won ? I can see both sides I personally think mccoist is not manager material but give the guy a chance. And to be honest there is no way whyte will sack mccoist because he would need to pay mccoist a good bit compensation , he's no forking out much for players so I can't see him forking out 1 million to sack mccoist

Boris the blade

26 Aug 2011 22:49:05
Sam Baldock has signed for West Ham

Kinda gutted the boy is really good watched him progress over the last year and he has hit the ground running this season as well.

He would have been an excellent addition to our squad

And I think anybody that says he isn't rangers class cause he plays in league one.. Look at the state of the SPL hardly la liga now is it ?

26 Aug 2011 22:43:38
baldock signed for west ham. another rumour put to bed.
J1985

26 Aug 2011 22:24:03
Please don't get me wrong I want Ally to be given at least a season to prove himself as manager but naturally he will leave one day, who would everyone want as manager? I know a lot of people say Billy Davies, Terry Butcher. What about Brian or Michael Laudrup or even Frank DeBoer. I wouldn't mind another Dutch manager to get us playing some good football but I would always say if we have a foreign manager then we should have a British assistant. ie. Laudrup manager, Wilkins assistant.
Thoughts?

GovanFR

26 Aug 2011 22:12:45
just want to say to everyone with the blue tinted specs on who are saying support mccoist, take the good with the bad and wait til the end of the season to judge players.

Have we not taken enough of the bad for one season? a draw with hearts, dismal performances in our wins apart from motherwell, and out of europe altogether before the end of aug.

support mccoist? we have all supported mccoist and no doubt we love him but hes not a manager. his time is up.

why wait until the end of the season to judge players - if you play for the old firm you are expected to perform right away. tese clubs arent hibs or calley thistle - success is demanded by both sets of fans. edu must be dropped, ortiz is rank, broadfoot needs a taxi back to paisley.

Well said, i don't care who the manager is if he's not doing the business he deserves to be sacked. ally has failed big time.

26 Aug 2011 22:00:02
can someone tell me why bocanegra is playing at centre back - he is a full back

No he aint he is a centre half moron

He can play both like papac, because he's only 6ft and not 6ft 6in like some centre halfs the sizests are at it again.

26 Aug 2011 21:37:06
I'm a celtic fan and i have to agree with the Rangers fans who say all the european comps are turning into a total joke , it's all about the money FIFA talk about coruption within the game , they really have to sit down and think , things should be back to basics. Rangers should be in the champions league . Champions should face champions in the champion league we have teams like liverpool who won it a few years ago but have never won the premiership so how can they be called champions of europe when they cant even win there own league.

This comp is designed to keep the rich clubs rich so every year it english , spanish , Italian and germans in the final with porto creeping there the odd year .

the money being spead is not equal where it should and for any fan saying so should scottish football then i agree as long as we dont have an old firm team playing on tv every week but in the champions league every game is on tv and celtic & rangers have a bigger fan base than man city , Lyon , Napoli , villarreal, most teams in europe but we only get a small percentige on what they get from tv money. if every english club makes it they get around 30mil per team in the group stages and if both old firm teams are in they only get 5mil each. when it come to fan base we are up there with the best in europe just a pitty fifa only care about a man utd v barcelona final so they get more money.

Agreed but what can you do.just hope one day the team put together by the manager is the right blend and that trumps the money

It's funny how it's only the scots that see this. I live in England and people here believe they have a divine right to receive more money and get easier ties and amazingly the big four get easy ties every year Funny that.

Look at arsenal for example they have to qualify for the ucl and they go into pot one I wonder if that would happen to a team not in England Spain or Italy? Borussia Dortmund won the German league last yr and go to pot 4 We had to qualify after winning the spl

This is not the champions league it's the rich clubs league

26 Aug 2011 21:35:14
Come on Ed, thot the Stewie/Brian story might put a smile on the face of some disgruntled bears, can't have a wee laff at yourself ur in a bad place go on, you know u want to :)

EdBear {Ed003's Note - I love a laugh mate,trying to get through the backlog before checking you havent upset anyone ;-) }

26 Aug 2011 21:17:42
Im sick of people slating edu and broadfoot. These players give 110% in every game they play. I agree that they are not at the level of player we need but i'll never slate them cos of their effort. If they are not good enough its the managements job to find better players. Fact is fellow bears that they are our players and if the effort is there we should support them all the way, their confidence will be taking a hammering because of the abuse from the stands. Give them a break and get behind them

Are u watchin the same edu pal?

They are both mince 110% u can get that its impossible but giving 110& or 100% as thats all u can get is not good enough ill play for free on sunday an ill give a 100% have peopl been on the jungle juice the night ??

T-Bear

26 Aug 2011 21:07:40
WISH PEOPLE WOULD STOP GOING ON ABOUT JEL LEAVING, YES IT HAS BEEN A BAD START, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE THE GOOD WITH THE BAD. HE' GOING NOWHERE RIGHT NOW, HE'S AS MUCH TO BLAME FOR US NOT BEEN IN EUROPE AS THE REST OF THE TEAM. WE'LL COME GOOD ... WATCH THIS SPACE ... IN ALLY WE TRUST W.A.T.P

26 Aug 2011 20:39:58
Did anybody see the lad Pingpong come on for the Gooners last week? Then got sent off not long after on his debut.

What a beast o a boy tho, tackles flying in, can pass and just looks a real talent. Anybody else think our younger lads maybe need to muscle up a bit, not to the extent of Dr David Banner obviously but at least be strong as or stronger than our opponents?

Psychology stuff obviously a big part but i'm not sure our players are physically strong enough for europe.

EdBear

100% agree - murray park is supposed to have the b est professional trainers around but look at charlie adam when he was in the gers team - he was fat.

burke was frail

the players in england and abroad are atheletes ad our guys are not.

26 Aug 2011 20:38:23
This is for all the so called rangers fans posting rubbish on here bout this being worse than le guen and ally has to go get a grip stop ur s**t he has just started he needs a season at least to get team the way he wants we will win the league and at least one cup no probs Was never gonna be an easy transition he will do us proud

Hurrah Here here

Ben & Lad

26 Aug 2011 20:36:04
Am holding a get ally out protest on Sunday outside the govan rear stand am making a 30 foot banner as we speak fellow bears join me 1clock sharp things are only going to get worse with ally so come on join the protest cya ther

Uch away n bile yur hied ya maddy

Ben & Lad

Your entitled to your opinion but im sure you cant be speaking for the vast majority sad day for the club when we have fans as unreal as yourself

No to early need time to see where we,re going bad start though

Won't be hard to identify you then, cause you'll be standing yourself with a "30ft banner" lookin like a complete plum. Idiot.

Ur a No.1 A hole {Ed021's Note - If you are a real supporter, get behind the team and club and don't entertain any protest lads - even if this boy is for real. Which I doubt.

Your just a pure bam why do you want ally out when he has only been in the job for a couple of games your not a real supporter you can sit with your 30 foot banner but a can tell you something your gonna get the piss took out you so do what you want

26 Aug 2011 20:34:50
if jelavic was to leave rangers he wouldnt be able to play in europe for a club as he played in both europa qual and cl qual, so he wouldnt go untill at least next year.

As he is out in the qualifiers and Rangers are no longer involved can he not play ?

We took him under the same situation so why not another club do the same

26 Aug 2011 17:03:49
ED... need some clarification.... it is zooming about cyberspace that if Sion get knocked out the free place goes to the team knocked out in that round with the highest co-efficient points. Is there any truth in this? {Ed003's Note -Not sure to be honest mate,my understanding is Celtic would replace Sion}

26 Aug 2011 19:51:29
I think it is important for Ally, Whyte and perhaps the players to sit down and consider what they want out of this season. I attended the game last night sitting 8 rows behind the Dug-out. Ally looked lost with any momentum or motivation, the team on the park lacked any control and determination to go for the win. It was re-assuring however to see Goian and Perry effective at the back. Our midfield remains the primary weakness in the team, It was like an open gate last night with a welcome sign. Edu and Davis have to understand there Roles and Responsibilities for 90 minutes.

The Fans remain frustrated, we are a club built upon history and tradition. We are standing on the borderline of success and failure and its in the hands of Whyte and Ally to restore faith. Thousands of fans in Glasgow, Scotland, the world are waiting in anticipation. C'mon you Gers... RG

Excellent point, well made, fellow bear.

26 Aug 2011 19:36:19
dont understand all the folk on here moaning about fans moaning about ally he has the worse start for a gers manager ever if he was not a legend evry fan would want him sacked if he was le guen they would want him oot the door so for me theres no difference an no time for sentiment get rid now an get billy davies in


T-Bear

STATS DONT LIE worst ever

Billy davies looks like a good manager to me, but not convinced he would sign better players valued at 4-500k than wot we've got

T-bear u aint got a clue, stats; we've won all our league games bar the draw at home to hearts, we are top of the league, we were in 6th place with le geun at this point. eric83

But he IS a LEGEND just like you said fella

Ben & Lad
Runnin AMOK

26 Aug 2011 19:09:34
We need a striker and fast. It showed last night that if Naismith (who is actually a midfielder) is missing then we only have Lafferty (still not match fit) and Jelavic who cannot run the line on his own all the time. Healy is not good enough and I am surprised that he got a new contract. We need someone who can support Jelavic and bang in 20 goals a season.

Last night was poor and why we resorted to long ball tactics after 55mins beats me and this did not suit Jelavic at all.

Another point is that the fans need to lay off the players as it isn't helping by putting too much pressure on them. We may not have the Laudrup's, Gascoigne's and De Boer's at the club but the players that are there need our support and if they get this then we will be able to get 4 in a row.

Get behind the team and they will give their all for us.

The Pilot

26 Aug 2011 18:30:41
cant believe people on here stick up for edu he cant pass he cant he shoot he cant mark and he has no awareness of whats going on around him . He is one of the worst footballers ive ever seen

Totaly agreed mate....is he even a footballer?? under 15 leagues have players with better touches and passing

its blatantly obv when edu hasnt been the man of the match in seasons.....THE EVIDENCE IS THERE he's awfull

If people would get of his back he might get his game together

Ppl have been saying that for 2 seasons now....what kinda professional has "low confidence" for 2 seasons? im soory doesnt cut it for me......he is meant to be out anchor man (frightning thought) he shoul control games and be positionaly aware.....ask yourself this....when was the last time you walked away from a rangers game and thought that edu really controlled the midfeild and the game and had a good grasp as to what was going on???

26 Aug 2011 17:49:53
is it really a suprise we went out last night? scottish clubs are so weak in europe,no competition at home the rest of europes getting better but spl clubs are getting worse, only dundee utd won a euro game this season we dont deserve to be there we missed enough chances to win the games against maribor 3 times jela isnt the player we think him to be we need a striker to push him to get the best out of him he looked poor over the 2 legs no fire-no move for him to the epl unless its the boltons or wigans im affraid- in the final 3rd we were crap so many poor attempts and goals win games-theres no goals in us at that level-i no we missed naisy but he`s no goal scorer-we need to concentrate on the spl win it get 1 or 2 better players next season-look at the players we could get and get deals done in plenty of time good forward players are a must for us or we will be in the same sunken boat this time next year-weve got numbers in over this close season next close season it has to be quality over quantity i hope ally gets time to get by this and backed on player deals by whyte-whyte saved us but now he needs to point us in the right direction if he does this the fans will stay with him i hope he can find more investment becuase we are miles behind europeans in terms on cash coming into the club and now with no euro money we will struggle to post decent returns next year- europe is more vital to our club than any epl team this is were we make our money-on a positive note we have the best youth crop of players in decades at rangers-murray park was the best money the club ever spent
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steve the ger

26 Aug 2011 16:59:24
lets face it boys... we are a guff team, up against guff opposition, in a guff league, with 2 guff domestic cups to play for.... yip were guff..... but at least were debt free and out of the grips of loyds bank.... we,ve a lot to thank you for mr whyte ? but i think coisty will build a good team... its just a bit late now.. watp

Not to late to build a good team to watch every week and prepare for europe next season

26 Aug 2011 16:36:01
Every1 giving the players a hard time I agree. Whitty, edu, Davis( not at his best) and a few more No need to worry, our team is more than strong enough now we only have spl teams to worry about
The players we have will gel and get better over the season
Any thoughts?
Scooby

Thats scotlands biggest prob theres only 1 team we worry about-the spl is as stale as a 5 week old cream slice-its doing nobody any favours

26 Aug 2011 16:27:59
i,ve said it before we must give ally a chance and a bit of time to get it right.my worry is that he,ll be to loyal to some players and eventually this will cost him his job.if he starts now with the young ones and the new signings he has a chance.oh and he has got to change they punt up the park tacticsit remembers me of peter mccloy to derek johnstone play. airdrie bear

26 Aug 2011 14:56:08
how many times will ally put ortiz on the wing its geting to b a bloody joke the guy has no pace.and 4 edu and broadfoot i mean cum on ally u must need mental help if u fink we will do well this season with that dummys there a waste of space.

To be honest, broadfoot plays 100% to his potential every time he pulls on a rangers jersey. its not his fault hes not good enough, similar to lafferty except bf is more composed when releasing the ball to other players. edu and ortiz are just gash

He should have maybe put ortiz at rb not slagging the guy but broadtoe does not look comfy there but he even says he prefers cb....honestly we should have swapped him for murphy well need a cb....

26 Aug 2011 14:18:29
Hi bears, disappointed about last night obviously, but lets face it we're not going to win it, and unless you get to the final, the money is rubbish so lets just get on with winning the league. I felt we should have put out malmo, but for indiscipline, and we defo shud have put out marimor but its not an isolated incident is it, many so-called small teams have put us out in the past, they raise their game and try harder just as we do when we play man utd, etc. I like mccoist and support him but i've always worried for him as you're only a couple of defeats from disaster at rangers.
Remember though, we have weir,bartley,papac out and naismith and ness missing last night. I though lafferty and wylde did ok, but was disappointed in Jelavic, he's just not fired up yet and i really worry we may lose him soon. I really like goin and i thought bocanegra played decent last night. Ortiz posted missing and i just cant understand the edu thing, apart from two important goals, i cant think what he has done for us. I would have had hutton in there all night long. The two midfielders coming in, the return of bartley and naismith and hopefully buy a striker and we'll be fine for this year, however, to get thru champions league qualifying will take something more, we always start slow and finish strong, it's just a pity europe didn't start after christmas..
Always a ger
Bazbear

I agree with the post m8 but its the goin out of europe thats becoming a problem for us in future if scotland keeps slipping down this co-efficient ( In which we've carried the country for years now and recieved very little credit for ) we'll end up playin 3 qualifiers and not be seeded meeting maybe top clubs from the big nations in 2 of they qualifiers It could end up a very long time b4 we hear that champions league tune at the brox for a while apart fom financial advantage its just simply the place to be in football terms and I for one want us in there every year , ano we have to win the league to get ther so it is priority but these maribors and malmos have to be taken care of ,what I mean is the draw was very kind to us and we blew it , the so called easier draws could become a thing of the past

26 Aug 2011 13:50:55
Listen I reckon Ally played the strongest 11 out of all the players at his disposal last night so he can't be blamed for the poor performance. You need to point the finger at players like Broadfoot, Ortiz, Edu etc. who need to pull the finger out. Personally I thought Wylde and Lafferty were poor, also Davis and Jelavic never played to their potential. And as for Healy well we all know he's not a great player but his hearts in it and he loves Rangers. Far too many chances went to waste last night Should pick up when we get bodies back in from injury etc. Ally should not be sacked we should all know he will need a bit of experience before he shows a bit of maturity as manager. WATP

26 Aug 2011 13:34:56
just like to say im mortified for rangers i am absolutely gutted almost started cryin last nite cant believe were not in the eufa cup as we were champions of our league its complete shambles ortiz was a massacre healy how could u miss davis why didnt he shoot when one on one with the goalie daft broadfoot gave away a stupid foul as usuall and edu dont get me started with that idoit hes utter s**te travelled 84 miles in my car to watch that garbage last nite and to be honest until the team is sorted im nt wasting hard earned money traveling all the way down there and payin to watch ally look baffled on what to do and whyte the ugly t**t sit there and watch what hes done to us rangers sorry i want something done its utter embarrasment rubbish that teams like chelsea and arsenal are even in the champs league lol CHAMPIONS LEAGUE not second and third and fourth in ur league we should at least automatically qualified for the eufa league oh man am so depressed

26 Aug 2011 13:29:33
Looking Forward: (Looking back is too depressing)

We need a new structure.

We need to stop considering ourselves as one of the elite playing in a big league and start to follow suit of the Euro teams who perform well in Europe even though they play in a lesser league.

We need to follow the likes of Porto, Olympiakos, Anderlecht and Ajax.

Comment from Porto president: "We have to be permanently studying the youth market. This is what allows us to keep fighting, despite having a budget 20 times less in respect to income [than other leading clubs]," Porto president Jorge Nuno Pinto da Costa said. "Year after year we lose great players and then put our faith in players with great potential."

I reckon we bring in a serious amount of untested talent. I'm talking 12-18 extra players. Young british and foreign. Wont cost much due to age. Farm them all out on loan(so wages even less). Not to scottish teams but to small foreign teams. Where they will pick up better traits. If only 6 of them make good you will still be financially better off once sold on.

Take Adam Le Fondre. £300K. But will he cut it? Why not buy him. Loan him to Championship teams who needs him and if he cuts it there then take him in. If not you sell on again and you will still get most of your cash back

We hardly ever loan anyone out except to lower league scottish teams. I tell you now that Salim Kerkar will never be first tem at Rangers and wont improve considerably in the reserves. Farm him out and see what he can do.

I could go on.....

Bluegenius

All good ideas, why do we need so many associations to run the various leagues?why is the voting so heavily weighted against change isn't it something along the lines of 11-1 for a majority surely that can't be correct If we give youth a chance will the fans stay loyal if they then don't win the league ? like the English leagues that won't let us in the teams up here won't like reconstruction due to less games against old firm loss of revenue it's got to be sorted out once and for all

26 Aug 2011 13:14:41
Amidst the wreckage of our European efforts, undermined by a farcical and dishonest transfer policy and appalling tactics by Ally, one question sticks out for any measured Ibrox fan. Who on earth was responsible for "scouting" Ortiz and inflicting him on the club?

It takes something to stand out among the current mediocrity, but someone must have actually watched this apology for a player - utterly, literally talentless in every respect - and decided, yep, he would do for Rangers. Even among duds like Edu, Clubfoot, and McCulloch, Ortiz is in a class of his own for lacking the faintest resemblance to a footballer. His signing is emblematic of everything that is wrong about the new regime and its commercial immaturity which has already blown £20 million by false economies.

We may no longer be able to attract the Gazzas and the Laudrups, but there has to be a compromise between those heady days and the short-sightedness and profligacy of importing such garbage as Ortiz on fat salaries.

We all know that root and branch reform is patently required at Rangers, from business strategy to footballing and transfer judgements. But to retain the SPL title this season and reach the CL group stages with a credible squad, we need 3 decent quality new players before this window closes and fervent prayers offered up that Bedoya and McKay have been properly researched by football people who can assess a player.

Above all, we require managerial courage and vision to give our youngsters like McMillan, Perry, Fleck, Cole, Hutton, Wylde, and Ness, a sustained chance in the first team. Legend of legends he may be, but Ally is now on borrowed time to prove he can shape and motivate these and other young guys into understanding what playing for Rangers should mean.

Senior London Bear

Ally will never play the young players as long as he has the old guard unless he is forced to walters habits have rubbed off on him in ally i dont trust because you have to earn trust

If ever there was a time to give these boys a chance it now ,the boy that watches broadfoot start,the boy who watches edu start,the boy who watches whittaker start his heart must sink ,ally you cant do that to the kids you just cant do it

Ally be brave cut out edu,broadfoot,,whittaker they have no future here,think out the box ffs

Edu , clubfoot and ortiz shouldnt be at a club like rangers

Better get used 2 whittker cause no1 else is giving him 25K a week

26 Aug 2011 12:48:20
Lads everyone has lows and most have highs(and we r definitively in the highs) u never no what will happen like Birmingham they won the Carling Cup and got relegated or Blackpool were favourites to go down in the championship and got promoted 10 years ago man city were in league 1 and now they have some great player Narsi Toure Silva Auergo Tevez ect.

Timalloy here, I come in peace. Agree with above poster, also look at Man Utd they were RELEGATED not so long ago (before fergie) but look at them now.
So bears and bhoys REAL supporters get behind their teams I will still be shouting on the HOOPS and i expect most bears to do the same with gers. hail hail timalloy PS Luckily being of irish descent I can shout on Shamrock Rovers

26 Aug 2011 12:44:58
Ok so last night and our euro campaign as a whole have been disappointing to say the least, however it could be the best thing to happen to McCoist.

Europe is a distraction from our bread and butter, this is McCoist's first managerial post and he should be concentrating on retaining the league and hopefull bring in a couple of cups along the way too.

We are all fans and we are all gutted but if we win the league in Ally's first season in charge i'm sure that'll make up for all the disappointment.

One thing I would say though, lets give the young boys a chance...starting 11 for rest of season if fit.

McGregor

Cole or McMillan
Goian
Perry
Wallace

Bedoya
Ness or Hutton
Davis
Wylde or McKay

Naismith

Jelavic

WATP
STAND UP AND BE COUNTED
54 AND STILL GOING STRONG
THERE'S ONLY ONE SALIM KERKAR

Bazza Bear

What is kerkar,s job at rangers

Mcgregor,naismith or jelavic wont be here in a few days time,im certain

26 Aug 2011 12:33:05
bears I think the way ahead for us could be by headhunting all the top young talent we can ( from anywhere not just scotland) by offering them a better package than any other team and practically build a young team from scratch ( a few seasoned pro's needed of course ) with this approach it I could easily accept a few barren years if ally came out and said this was the plan and he's sticking with it eventually you might have good young quality side who'll be together for years to come because me for one am sick of watchin really mediocre/bad players runnin about in the blue jersey picken up high wages when we've got better young players sitten on the bench its definently time to bite the bullet and get shot of all the dead wood the squad is made up of replace them with young hungry talent , a lot of top clubs have went this route Barca being the best example ano its not an overnight solution but you could bear the fruits of your labour in years to come by doing this would buy the manager , backroom staff and probably the chairman more time and I feel the fans would cut them all some slack if they could see we had a plan for the future but at the moment we dont seem to have one , a hope the two boys that we've not seen yet are diamonds we've found because our side is badly lacking in real quality but we're stuck with what weev got the now so its no matter al be ther on sunday anyhow but a just dont see the way ahead for the team the now outside scotland I mean we'll win the leage but the place tae prove your self is europe it can only get better a suppose

a dissapionted bear
WATP

100% agree mate. I really think we should send out scouts now to Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Spain, Portugal etc. in time for next year and look at some of the under 19's. I know its not as easy as im maybe making it sound. I'm also not suggesting we take douzens of players from each county, but 3 or 4 all together a year would be excellent. Look at Atletico Madrid, Valencia, Villareal etc. all of these teams have world class players coming through their system who will never get the chance to play in spain as there is simply so much talent coming through to maximise any single players potential. South american footballers are renowned for their technical ability, flair and love of the game - three things that were missing from last night. Also eastern europe, Weiss is a quality player and i bet there could be 100 other players as good as him sitting in the reserves because they're either not given the chance, or they're simply not able to reach their potential in their average youth facilities. I guarantee if we brought in young lads with the ability and desire to get better, we could develop some excellent players for peanuts. Wages wouldn't be a problem we'd be looking at no more than 5k a week for these guys. I know its fairly unlikely to pan out anything like i'm hoping here, but i want to see us doing this. Other footballing nations do it - why shouldn't we? Muzz

You mentioned the young talent in spain not getting a chance we scouted in spain hopefully looked high and low looked in more than once and came out with you guest it ORTIZ who got a bung for that bit of work who smirked as they walked away from that deal rangers name him so we know he will never be used again go back tae watching rab roy or whatever but dont darken our training pitch again

I've said it numerous times - ortiz needs time to settle in. Language barrier, cultural barrier, footballing style will be unfamiliar to him. He looks anxious to impress and tries a bit too hard and it backfires. I agree he maybe shouldn't be first choice, but i think he has the experience to over come a poor start. Looking at the guy its obvious that he's intimidated as he sits on his own when he's on the bench and walks in at half time on his own. Needs to gel with the squad first and he will come good. Guaranteed. Muzz

26 Aug 2011 12:04:58
Not the first season this has happened, probably not the last either. These things come and go.

It's a case of properly invest in the club or give the young players who are hungry a chance. I would rather watch a team with a mix of experience and youth than pay over rated foreigners who don't really care.

It's like the dutch approach to football witch was the little generals downfall. Build a team make it do well sell the star assets and rebuild. Advocatt got slung out the door for basically that approach. The problem at the old firm is you have to win every game. Ajax back in the champions league.

Oranjeboom

26 Aug 2011 11:58:16
how can you say... what else can mccoist do this is all he had available ? he and whyte have known for months we would have qualifiers and had many many an opportuinty to bring players in and didnt sorry mr mccoist but dont dare say pur signing policy is okay because you are now under massive pressure to suceed all because the board didnt want to pay what players are worth. i am embarrassed by last nights result BUT i will stay true to my team but the double/treble is a must now BALLYBOY

26 Aug 2011 11:49:11
I think the opinions that have been posted about Mr McCoist and Mr Whyte are born through frustration. Rome was not built in a day, and neither were any of the Rangers teams from days gone by. Even in our glory days, teams with a few new players took a bit of time to gel. Look at Souness' first game as a player/manager for us.....red card. Lots of people were furious then, but it came good.

I agree that there are players in the current team that all too regularly don't cut the mustard such as Edu and Whittaker, but there must be something that these players show in training that warrants their game, because Walter always played them and now so too is Ally. That suggests to me it's a confidence issue with these guys and they bottle it on the big occasion. But the new guys who haven't played well yet, such as Ortiz, they need time just to bed in.

This is a bad fall from grace for us last night, but may give us the focus we need now for the league, and with the addition of a clinical finisher and the other new guys finding their feet I think we, Ally and Craig can all do it. So start today afresh, go into Sunday with a positive attitude, pack out the stadium and lift our heads and our voices and cheer our team on to another win for this 4 in a row season

If you BOTTLE it playing for Glasgow Rangers m8, it means you are NOT good enough

26 Aug 2011 11:21:53
People who say we should not boycott the old firm please think about the following:

If your favourite indian take-away that you have been going to for years slowly starts to add dog sh1te to your curry then one day just serves dog sh1te on its own would you then say...oh well i have been going here for years so may as well stick with it, pay the money and act like nothings wrong.

Thats sums up the old firm just now.

I love that wee story.

Yeah well u wud just go to another takeaway. Cant do that with the team u luv, u need to stick by them. Celtic in my blood, will never change. Sure most gers on here are the same with their team.

Drew

26 Aug 2011 11:09:58
John Grieg was a Ibrox legend and he could not manage Rangers I think Ally is the same he must go now before he does any more damage to our great club

26 Aug 2011 08:58:45
stop cryin n moanin god sake werre lucky to still be a team after the years weve had cmon allys first year as a manager needs time to do things hos own way we got to used to winnin under walter and sir david murray

better teams than us dont get into europe eg. liverpool but there fans dont turn there back on there team what happnd to best fans in the world ? what happened to we will follow on? most fans will always support there team but some of yous lot need to get a grip yous make me sick rangers now rangers forever bill struth will be turning in his grave craig whyte has saved the club im happy we can still feild a team and im happy i can go watch my team no matter what happens we draww or lose aye am disapointed but still would turn my back on ally or the players

26 Aug 2011 09:41:15
If Levein and that muppet from Dundee Utd had their way they would be picking the Scotland team from English teams only and they have said so themselves and to some extent who can blame them but if this is how they openly assess the game in Scotland it must be how the SFA think also. I say screw the lot of them and look after our own stall starting with the young players coming through. We need to make it appealing for all the young talent to come to Scotland because they know they will get a game and we need to blend with the experience that we have in the team as well as the coaching staff. This is the only way ahead especially with no money.
p.s. I hope we demolish Aberdeen on Sunday because that would go some way to making reparations for seeping out of Europe like that
WATP

26 Aug 2011 09:12:44
honestly fellow bears we dont deserve to be in europe at all if we cant take of malmo and maribor. I'm totally gutted but up and on with it I'll be at game at w/end but no papers will be gettin read until we beat them on sunday I canny face the headlines ano its a depressing post but W.A still T.P

26 Aug 2011 01:40:03
i have asked in evrey english football team roumour page what they would think about us being in there league even if wee started in championship and worked our way up and asking everybody to help to get us in the league am just waiting on all the eds posting back and all the fans it would be a fresh start

campbell

26 Aug 2011 01:04:10
a think it is time the old firm went and played in England wee need a new challenge and i think somebody big would buy rangers and Celtic anyway so wee will probably run a mock down there to but it would maybe take about 6 years to get our self's sorted but it can only be a good thing.

26 Aug 2011 07:38:38
I posted last week about how I thought SUPER ALLY is going about how he wants his team 2 play with the signings he is making for the midfield area of the team with the likes of Bedoya and Mckay both these players good touch can pick a pass & have bundles of energy so I will not change my views on this because we are out europe, but my point is I came back from game last night & went 2 work I work in East Kilbride & work beside some1 who Knows SUPER ALLY really well can't name names but trust me anyway I commented that I thought the attitude of some of the players since the start of season has been pathetic with the main culprit being whittaker, hearts game he was rotten, malmo lost the ball for goal at IBROX and of course done that really manly thing & chucked the ball at some1 over in malmo 2 which the guy I work with said that SUPER ALLY is raging with whittaker because he had time to think about it & still done it next in the firing line for me that is not SUPER ALLY is davis I am sick of people telling me how good a player this guy is, it is time 2 wake up davis has about 5 or 6 games where he has as far as I am concerned good games a season nothing great, I had lets say a discussion with some1 about him and I said that whenever he is moved 2 right mid he spits the dummy and that when he is centre mid he can never win a tackle even if it is a 70/30 ball in his favour so come sunday the guy had great joy in telling me davis was man of match vs motherwell I told him pish that he only again had a good game because he had naismith playing beside him who was outstanding & guess what naismith is not a centre mid, does he go missing in games? Does he spit the dummy when moved all over the park, does he s**t himself from putting in a tackle no, but unlike the 2 a**eholes I have just slaughtered naismith doesn't go 2 the papers & tell you what he is going 2 do he just does it but 2 finish I must say the crowd was great last night right 2 the end yes we would like 2 be in the draw today & are sick but we must keep up our support for the team yes you may say I have just ripped 2 players apart but that is on here not in the stadium where I will always give all my support to team when we win the league this season we will be straight into champs league and hopefully people will learn by the mistakes that have been made this transfer window and give SUPER ALLY all the support he needs the same as what our fans done last night.
WATP

26 Aug 2011 07:19:00
Iv'e been watching Rangers for 30 years now had some good times and some bad ones,last night was as bad as it comes getting knocked out of Europe twice in one season against 2 poor teams.The Manager has to take some of the blame but so do the players.Its us the fans that are getting short changed.

26 Aug 2011 06:41:12
Im seriously hacked off with the amount of ppl calling for the managers head already, yes we are out of europe but how many of u would be calling for sir walters head if he was still in charge. Ally is still on a learning curve at the moment and needs our backing. As soon as mckay is in the team edu wont get a look in this is only problem i see with mcoist. At the end of the season when we have won 4iar i wonder how many of u say ive always backed ally when u have not. Come on now guys. SUPPORT the team, players and manager.

J J

26 Aug 2011 04:42:46
We all need to remember the team is first place in the league having conceded only 1 goal in 4 games. Time to concentrate on the treble

26 Aug 2011 03:24:06
Celtic fan, after viewing celts and gers pages, came to a conclusion, we're BOTH being SHAFTED by the so called "fans" who run our clubs.

26 Aug 2011 01:22:54
see that septic are compaining to uefa and fifa about sion. no suprise looking for excuses again.

they do not deserve to be re entered into the competition - nor would rangers on last nights evidence.

If other team have broke rules then they will be back in

I think you'll find UEFA were investigating Sion anyway. If found guilty, Sion don't deserve to be in Europe as will have broken the rules.

Just playing by the rule's me old cock sparra

26 Aug 2011 00:51:40
Anyone hear the woman on stv reading a message out referring to us as Huns? Hate being referred to as that. We get picked on as it is.

Who cares, I know 1 thing we are rubbish

26 Aug 2011 00:33:51
what a terrible night;but the fact is GLASGOW RANGERS is in our blood and that will never change god bless our club RANGERS TILL I DIE

RANGERS TILL IT DIES

Well said mate i have been a rangers supporter since i was 3 years old and it will never change rangers till i die that is fifteen years i have supported my beloved gers
campbell

Two things that need to stop right away
1st players looked good against motherwell your right but motherwell are scottish anyone looks good against scottish sides
2nd no easy games in europe there is just draw rangers or celtic rangers till it dies

This reeks of the greig era we have 6 days to find a cheap gem,emerenco, maybe?

26 Aug 2011 00:12:44
Broadfoot - absolute dross
Bocanegra - the tiniest centre half ever seen, no pace, old
Edu - is allowed to play for my beloved team - why
Mcculloch- a has been that never was
Ortiz - utter garbage
Jelavic - not interested
Wallace - have my doubts
Healy - did not deserve new contract
Lafferty - not the end of season so just the usual garbage

No flair, no speed, little ability, rookie manager that looks clueless, dodgy owner who clearly has little idea and less money. It is going to a long season.

the sfa decided to start the season early to help the scottish teams. load of good that did broadfoot a player once quoted as a player of limited ability set up a goal in the first leg but only played because whittaker threw a ball off another player. Bocanegra scored a goal a life line that we needed. Edu, good midfielder always works hard. Mcculloch scored some important goals for us if you can recall. Ortiz new to the pace of british football could become like silva is to city a cretie force. Jelavic works his heart out always dynamic. Wallace got injured papac injured wee perry did well. Healy should have scored but at least smashed the ball off the best gk ive seen since buffons baws lol Lafferty so unlucky with the back flick on the 92 minute New chairman new manager new players it takes at least 10 games to gel and shape a new team get them up to scratch so lets bring on 4 in a row The motivation from getting knocked completely out of europe is priceless so bring on 4 n a row.

26 Aug 2011 00:20:14
I'm backing Ally 100% however I don't get why he dropped young Perry and McMillan who had a great game on Sunday against Motherwell. How can these guys gain experience if they aren't playing in these types of games? Sorry for posting again Ed just frustrated after tonight

Have to agree with you why change a winning team if the young boys are good enough for Motherwell they were good enough for tonight

McMillan was injured

McMillan was injured and for a game like that would you not rather start with an experienced defender who has 94 caps for his country

McMillan was injured this is the reason Clubfoot got a game, i reckon McMillan is gonna be Ally's first choice RB for the rest of the season dont even think Clubfoot is third choice to be honest, i would even like to see Whitty back in RM, Ortiz is GASH. Fair enough we're out of europe but i really think when McKay and Bedoya start regularly our team will come good. Ed is there any truth in the Fernando Gago rumours or they just that? WATP

Bluenose1873

26 Aug 2011 00:18:06
Right guys, i think we need to calm down It's not great that we are out of Europe but it means we can focus all on the league. I can admit we have signed some rubbish but i also think we have stole some cracking players on a cheap Get behind ally and i bet we will be smiling at the end of the season Also remember we were near administration before whyte came along... give the guy a break, he saved us Also i reckon we can expect more signings before the end of the market Keep the faith lads

I am a rangers fan for over 50 years through the good and the bad years and i believe strongly a manager has to go out and learn his trade how to man manage and gain some tactical know how and earn the right to come here and manage this great club of ours no way should this position ever be handed down to pals who did not earn it ever again

Totaly agree ally should have been falkirk,airdrie,or dunfermaline boss first

25 Aug 2011 23:24:37
I am and will always be a big McCoist fan, but he has to take the lions share of the blame for tonight's performance. Why did he start Edu after the fine performance on Sunday without him. Edu contributed nothing the whole game. He has a touch like an elephant and has no creative skills what so ever. He must be the worst central midfield player i have ever seen grace the Ibrox turf.

Young McMillan must be gutted after a good performance on Sunday to lose his place not only in the team but the squad to Broadfoot. When you look at some of the fullbacks over the years, Broadfoot has to be again the worst i have ever seen. I would rather see a young player get a chance to succeed, rather than watch a player who will never be good enough.

Ally will always back the team (as good managers should) but he will lose respect from the players when they play well only to get dropped. WATP

McMillan was injured mate but agree with you about Edu, would rather have seen Kyle Hutton playing

I understand ur frustration but who else could of played in the middle with davis, ness mculloch naismith where all out so he had limited choice limited availability, I would of left ortiz on bench and played laffs out right and healy up top with jelavic just for this game. *ksd*

25 Aug 2011 23:28:54
guys , yous were calling for ally's head last week then sunday yous were all ally we trust , make you're mind up :) I'll always be a rangers fan through thick or thin , good times and the bad.

Gstq ns

Totally right mate.
Thank God Celtic bombed out as well. Hopefully thier fans are lambasting their own team instead of writing the usual sneaky guff on this site.
Blue Knows.