Rangers Banter Archive June 26 2012

26 Jun 2012 22:44:52
The most successful club in the world, one of the biggest names in the world of football, millions of fans worldwide, and today weve been reduced to rubble with Mcgregor, Davis, Laferty, & Ness leaving, and Aluko, Mcabe, Naismith and Whittaker leaving 2 days ago! 7 of the 8 named are boyhood rangers fans, where are they when we need them most!? Ally said "we don't do walking away"! It seems some do!

Timothy here, everything you say is correct, except one . you have to put the word domestic after successful . you cant believe you are a more successful club than , liverpool, real,barca,bayern,man.u, and of course celtic and all the rest that have been european champions. you will even lose the domestic part when you are stripped of 17 trophies.

26 Jun 2012 22:32:28
Celtic fan here, i know i know but i want to ask a serious question.
I like a look on Rangers Media and here and these boys are taking a serious pounding, it would appear to just fall short of physical threats but just. I understand the upset and hurt but i am wondering why should they stay?
Most fans on here wanted to pay the creditors but have used the "look, CVA's and liquidation happen all the time in business, its the law and the way of the world etc" so the debt was ditched. I have also seen all over the place that nobody blames them for leaving because it is a short career and they are internationals etc etc but the prevailing opinion seems to be they should have transferred so that newco could get the money for them. How is that acceptable when old co, who paid the fees in, owes money? Why should these players give up a payday so that newco can get money, i really dont get that.
Have always said all along i dont want Rangers to die, still dont but would prefer some of the vitriol and bile to stop, people are watching, people are judging, none of us are showing up well.
Nevis

Don't just attack rangers media , the same bile and nonsense is posted on that kerrydale site as well, there's complete numpties on both sides.

As a season ticket holder for forty years I am hurting so much, they are next to my family, good friends, my business, Rangers are the most important thing in my life. I am sure you can imagine what this would be like if it was your club in this mess. People are hurting big time, not Murray, not Whyte, just the fans. We have some real scum that follow us, as I witnessed first hand in Manchester. I was ashamed to be a Rangers fan that night.
People are hurting and the players leaving are an easy target, so they are getting it in the neck. However if you or I were in their position we would do the same. They are footballers for a living, they have a short career, they are not the fans who turn up every week, that would pay the club for a game. This is their business, would you do business with this club or go elsewhere and earn twice as much with no hassle.

Just to be clear I only reference rangers media in respect of the players leaving, totally agree both sides have pond scum that see the jersey as a misguided cause, wasn't an rm dig mate it was aimed at us all.
Nevis

@1: granted, but Celtic sites don't have anything to do with your players refusing to transfer to newco so why bring them up here.

One thing about this CVAs/liquidations happen all time. While that is true, generally the company coming out of Administration / Liquaidation is cream crackered, staggers on for a bit and then finally dies. Some times the company is hoovered up by one of the big boys b but thats your best hope.

26 Jun 2012 22:27:18
Anderlecht replace Rangers in pre
season tournament in Southampton.
BB

26 Jun 2012 22:15:49
Remember this statement from the RST in 2009 all the banners "Murray Must Go" well I didn't agree with it, Murray has done wrong, but we as fans also rushed him into selling to Whyte and are now reaping what we sowed!

RANGERS fans groups today launched a "We Deserve Better" campaign to try and pile the pressure on the club's board.

Chairman Sir David Murray's decision to sell off one of his leading players this month to balance the books has been met with a furious reaction from some Gers fans - who held a banner during last night's win over St Johnstone asking him to quit the club.

The agreed sale of striker Kris Boyd to Birmingham City in a £3.8m deal was the final straw for many and various groups such as the Rangers Supporters Trust and the Blue Order have now issued a statement urging supporters clubs and fans to unite and let the club know their feelings.
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Trust chief David Edgar said today: "This isn't a campaign to get the chairman out or anything like that.

"We know he is in a situation where he hasn't been able to find a buyer for the club but we want to know what direction the club is moving in and we're looking for improvements."

The statement lists areas in which he says supporters are concerned with and want explanations and they are as follows;

- Only 2 league titles in 8 seasons

- Only 2 cups won in last 3 full seasons

- Losing to the worst European opponents faced since Valletta in 1983

- A state of the art training facility, yet no advancements in technique or set plays

- No discernible strategic vision, either on or off the pitch

- No long-term transfer or team-building plan

- Only two youth players (McGregor and Hutton) of genuine quality produced in the last decade

- Selling first team players to cover losses previously made on fringe players

- Consistent failure to move fringe players on for reasonable transfer fees

- Lucrative pay-offs for failed players - Failure to profit from our most lucrative ever season

- Failure to engage with or interact with the support in any meaningful way

- Treating Rangers fans with disdain as customers instead of valuing and working with them as supporters and part of the Rangers family

- Inability to either attract inward investment, or to convince fans to invest in any meaningful way

- Reduction in the status of our club from leading football force in the land, to almost social pariah status through a failure to challenge those seeking to link Rangers with sectarianism

- A PR operation which only acts when senior club figures are personally criticised and all too often fails to defend the Rangers support

- Fan morale lower than at any time in the past 24 year

Billy

Billy, don't get it mate. I think you should
Worry about 2012 not 2009

26 Jun 2012 22:00:25
I love how a whole team just walk away! All signed long term deals wanting to stay with their boyhood club and now abandon them when we need them most!

Celtic fan here .I come in peace. Could these players not have come to some agreement to ensure that the football club got some money back for selling them on. I think the true Rangers fans have been very badly treated by the men in suits and these players who are going. Jb. PS I will miss the Derby games big time.

You wouldn't have been able to afford to keep them - Green just wanted to sell them. Maybe they know things we don't. Shouldn't they want to leave if they don't know if they'll be playing at all if they stay? What would you do when you'd considered money and the direction of your career?

They have refused to transfer to Sevco as they no longer have a contract. The club they had a contract with "NO LONGER EXISTS".

Their boyhood club is done, gone, over they just don't want to play for the new club, why r people finding it so hard to understand that rangers are gone? The players seem to have grasped that fact, the fans should start too. L1888

Money talks, simple as that. They are not like you and me who would play for nothing. This is their livelihood and I honestly don't blame the older international players, why would they play in div one or three. However I do think that they should have gone back, the club would have sold them anyway, but would have got some dosh even at the reduced transfer fees. As they were reduced terms they would still have got good signing on fees, now they will get better signing on fees. The ones that I think are disgusting is Ness and McCabe, young kids who would have played every game next year. They still have plenty of years in front of them, they should have stayed.

Football players are like pole dancers, they love the attention of their admirers, their fans but as soon as the music or the money stops they're off to a new pole.

26 Jun 2012 21:54:12
to all the so called die hard rangers players, hang your head in shame, you have as much class and morals as craig whyte, the fans dont get to walk away nor do we want to....thats the difference ... no mercenerys here!!!

It's their job..nothing more..nothing less! Yes I agree the kissing the badge stuff now looks a bit daft but why when a footballers career is so short should they spend the next 3 or 4 years playing in the lower divisions in Scotland? You would do the same as would most sensible people who aspire to greater things and want the best for themselves and their families.

The op is total b***cks the guys have families mortgages etc they took a 75% wage cut to try and save the club it's not happened so who are you/we to criticise them for finding other more secure employment for their future.

Good luck to all the lads thanks for the memories.

26 Jun 2012 21:47:55
Rangers: Davis, McGregor, Lafferty and Ness eye exit
26 June 12 20:56

By Alasdair Lamont
BBC Scotland

Four more players - captain Steven Davis, Allan McGregor, Kyle Lafferty and Jamie Ness - have lodged objections to their transfer to a "newco" Rangers.

26 Jun 2012 21:28:18
This is heart breaking man!, these players won't be remembered for winning titles, they will be remembered for deserting our team, the real men will be at training on thursday!

What the 2 lee's cos that's all who's showing up by looks of it.

The Newco can't afford any of the players wages, if we keep them on full wages we will be in administration again.

The men with a lack of any ambition, whatsoever, those with agreements in place to join Scotlands brand new football team, Sevco 5088 (FC?), then transfer within weeks for a fee, and the kids who will bring Scotlands brand new club to the top tier, given time, will turn up on Thursday

26 Jun 2012 21:13:13
Davis , McGregor, Whittiker, Naismith, Ness all to reject contract transfer....i might be being selfish but should guys not at least transfer over and then get sold on.....regardless of what they ythink of the newco situation they have still been getting paid in the excess of 25k p/w?

thoughts?

GGer

Yes it is disappointing, they could easily have stayed and then sold so club would get some wonga. However they will now get huge sign on fees elsewhere. I am afraid that we are seeing the complete death of our club and don't see a way out.

Why should they, would you? Say for instance, you worked for Asco and they were in financial difficulty. They want you to move to their new company simply so they can sell you to Tesda for a fee. Meanwhile Tesda are speaking to you privately, offering you a really big cheque to come and work for them before Sainsisons and Morrisbury's come looking. I know it sounds a bit ridiculous, but you get my drift?

2) I don't blame them at all, but I do feel that they claimed to make great sacrifices but in effect the loss of 75% salary for a couple if months will pay off a hundred times over. This is the disappointing thing they all insisted on reduced transfer clauses which they will get huge signing on fees. They really made no sacrifice and now liquidation it's even better for them. I think they should have helped by agreeing to transfer to newco and then agree to be sold.
However it is less signing on fee for them and if we have learned one thing in this fiasco, is that money is the GOD. Pretty sad.

It looks like whytes plan has backfired. If the idea was to unload the debts and sell on the new business and it would continue to trade as before. Nobody coyld have foreseen the fan rebellion and that Seems to have torpedoed the deal. Well done scottish football fans. This serial con man has met his match.

26 Jun 2012 21:06:53
have supported this great club for over fifty years and i am heartbroken at what we have come too. the hardest part is coming to terms with the fact that there is now a distinct possibility that the club wont even exist next season. if we dont get enough support to join sfl i fear we are gone forever.

I honestly feel for you bud. i know how i would feel if celtic were going through this s**t. i never thought it would get as bad as this , but i have an awful feeling that you are right. that rangers, newco whoever will not play again. unbelievable but definitely a possibiliy.. shamrock

26 Jun 2012 21:04:05
Ed what's going on up their this is turning out to be a circus you got any idea why the players don't want to join the newco ... Kenny bluenose {Ed039's Note - Because they dont want to be plying their trade in the lower leagues nor do they want to be pawns in Mr Greens game, they are just an asset to him)

26 Jun 2012 20:53:59
Ed, as I type sky reporting Davis and shagger also say no to Newco! Could I ask about your reply to the post at 17.34!
do you honestly think there is a good chance we won't be in any league next season? I am with the majority of fans who think we need to start again in div 3 and earn our place and respect back! I am confident that we will complete back to back promotions and it is not likely that the spl will improve inequality that much while we are gone! Long road ahead but we will be back!
PS name Wallace captain for the rest of his contract and hopefully beyond! {Ed039's Note - I do believe there is a chance that there will be no Rangers next season but the last 12-18 months has made me ever so pessimistic. There are alot of factors that come into it, Green has no players, we do not know what level of money has been invested (if any) and whether there will be a fan base turn up in the significant numbers he needs next season. I thought at first that the property development thing was just a farty a**e theory but I am actually starting to think that there might be something in it)

26 Jun 2012 20:03:29
Green is in the driving seat and has not indicated what his plans are even the players that he wanted to transfer to his newco.

I think he is skint and was relying on selling several players to keep going for a wee while.

No SPL and enough SFL teams will vote against the newco to stop the drop to division 1.

No europe for 3 years.

Not many fans showing enthusiasm for buying season tickets.

Scary times ahead and newco has not even had the assets of RFC for a month.

I think a press conference with CG telling the staff and support his intentions is unlikely and assets will be stripped sooner rather than later. CG will blame former players for not transferring to newco and supporters for not buying season tickets.

26 Jun 2012 20:01:00
Fellow bears. i have been reading this post and other over the past few weeks and need to make a post to appeal to the many of you who could understand the situation. It seems to me that too many fans are caught up in a number of ever decreasing circles. these being as follows,

We must keep our history
All other clubs hate us and are causing the problem
The Media, the SFA and the SPL want to get rid of Rangers.
The players are traitors.

NONE of the above are true.

What is true is that Rangers fans have the best ever opportunity to exert their influence, in a positive manner, over the future of a team which will, in most scenarios, play football at Ibrox.

Whilst maintaining the persecution/paranoia complex, the future of football in the south side of Glasgow is being fashioned by a Yorkshireman with no funding, spitting out lies and management platitudes to a huge fan base who seem to be more interested in worrying about history and telling everyone how much they love their club, like pathetic teenagers.

Believe me, the way this is going, it is third lanark all over again. We must get rid of the knucklle draggers from the stone age. We must create a new club, built on the foundation of youth development and we must endeavour to try to put something back into the community that the old club took out.

Forget Green, forget history, forget paranoia, we are getting what we deserved. Lets start afresh and in ten years have Ibrox full watching a team of twenty year olds win the league and impress in europe.

Look at Ajax 1995 and their youth devvelopment players.

26 Jun 2012 19:57:49
honest post no fly digs etc.

now that players are willing to leave for hee haw can you blame them ?

put it this way by the looks of it the spl is out of the question unless the sfa bend the rules & open it up 2 a bigger league....now celtic too will now have to look at the wages being dished out.but 1st rangers.new owner,new money men. these top earners davis/naismith etc all took the cut from 20k to 5k since feb/march so overall they have maybe lost 60k each in that time.now they arent in the spl so those wages will be cut again which then leave you no choice but too leave ? football is a short career so lets be honest you need to make your money fast ? & really thats what there doing....

now green & co have now lost out on transfer fees doesnt matter how much or how many million end of the day hes lost money which will then fall back to the rangers fans.....to me he will just sell assests to highest bidder & walk away with 4/5 times the money he payed. they have been so many people 'intrested' in rangers but have all bailed due to how much money they need to be ran fit & proper.so at the end of the day all thats left is assests......

not kicking the fans when there down but im starting to believe that there wont be a rangers they way things are going.

back to celtic (and from what i can see this is where rangers are now lacking) celtic will need to sell the 20k-25k players that being brown/hooper/etc but i would be happy at that because we have youth (this is where rangers from what i can see/read is failing)i would be happy to sell ever 1st team player & bring in youth through.lets be honest its be honest its been on the cards for years that its what we need to do be feeder clubs make a few quid sell on & doi it over again.....

i see posts with if we do go to div 3 we will walk it back to the spl...well i honestly cant believe that because rangers will be on a shoe string budget the same as these other seems so it wont be how much you spend will be how you spend thats oonly going to help rangers

anyway would like to know yours thoughts on the whole saga overall.will there be a rangers ? will there be a spl ? will a sky deal still be there ? is this the best think for scotlands youth as overall it could be us getting knocked out of the euros by italy lol ?

lenny

Shut up dont talk rubbish celtic r not trying 2 sell anyone at the mo {Ed039's Note - It has been well publicised that Celtic are trying to get rid of some fringe players)

26 Jun 2012 19:52:26
I have a qustion and hope smeoe cn givee a genuineanswer without any bile. What if te other leagues vote against ai us, can someone over rule it o the s.f.a have a duty t find us a league to play in ?.

The S.F.A have no duty to find Newco a league to play in, just like any other club.

Mac2.

Why would the SFA have a duty to find you a league to play in? At this moment,there are no players,there is no accounts and you have no licence to play in any league.Plus Green seems to be running out of cash and the oldco is not even cold yet..........green jhedi

Why would the sfa be duty bound to find the newco a league to play in? They are not currently members of any league.

Jd

They could allow us in the Stagecoach West of Scotland League and compete against Irvine Meadow

Options include buying over an existing club (provided they would sell or indeed we could afford). Make a plea to sfa/uefa/FIFA to be allowed to apply out with Scotland (permission unlikely to be granted) or fold.

If the clubs do not want you (and that includes the five that Rangers tried to have ejected in 1964 (Stranraer, Stenhousemuir,Albion Rovers, Berwick Rangers and Brechin (i think))then you would have to apply to join a junior league to put in three years to apply again to Div 3 in SFL if there was a vacancy. No Bile --just fact.

Sevco has no automatic right to enter the professional game in Scotland. It is a newco, a new company and a new club. It has no history. It has no place in any league, therefore it cannot be 'relegated', it cannot be 'demoted' it can only be admitted.

26 Jun 2012 19:43:04
Given that a number of players look set to have left with absolutely no money coming in to Rangers it is looking increasingly likely that the tactics employed by Duff & Phelps have been shambolic at best. It gave the club more than a fighting chance at second place, sure, but at what cost? Aluko doesn't count as he was on a short term contract anyway but Ness, McCabe, Whittaker, Lafferty and Naismith all had resellable value. The number of players leaving, needless to say, wont end there. Perhaps £20m plus wiped off the value of the club to get the SPL second place prize? Let's face it Europe was already a non-starter for 2012-2013 so that wasn't the reason. Not good business at all plus, given that their primary concern was supposedly to creditors anyway, it would have been all the more sensible. Creditors potentially getting a far more sizeable CVA pot, Rangers short term expenditure (wages) slashed big time, poorer product on the park I grant you but maybe a CVA passed and therefore maybe liquidation avoided and therefore no newco and more importantly no TUPE. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe there is special dispensation for clubs in administration regards selling players outwith transfer windows, maybe not top dollar under the circumstances but better than zero let's face it. Looks like D&P have ultimately screwed everyone...bar D&P.
Gaz

The £900k second place prize money was not paid to old Rangers by the SPL. It has been withheld to pay debts to SPL clubs..... Hearts, Celtic, etc...

Instead of rolling out an honest Administration they rolled out agendas and strategies that changed by the day.....

Davis as well tonight. Armageddon (outta here) approaching.

Totally agree gaz, thats exactly what should have happened, the players were the assets that we should have been allowed to sell. What angers me is when transfer window opened were forced to newco and give all players away, not right at all, bluebear

1) As far as I recollect the difference between second and third was £900,000 but absolutely, it makes D&P's stance all the more ludicrous given that Rangers wouldn't get that cash anyway, add Davis and McGregor to the mix by all accounts.
Gaz

26 Jun 2012 19:24:38
In 1964 RFC tried to have 5 clubs ejected from SFL. Now those same 5 clubs get to vote on Rangers admission to SFL. What goes around comes around!

Rangers have traditionally been ruthless with other clubs in weak positions.

Wonder what the chaps at Airdrie will vote?

Mac2.

OP - and those clubs went to court to get an interim interdict and it was finally settled out of court. A few years later the leagues were reconstructed. RFC led a group of clubs.

Stranraer were particularly angry and remain very bitter because, after Queens Park and Kilmarnock they were the oldest club in Scottish football. Other websites talking about their long memories (and how grateful they were for the help they got from Bob Kelly).

You wonder what the chaps at airdrie might vote, mr ballantyne he of airdrie and
rff ,think we know the answer to that

26 Jun 2012 19:13:37
Mr Green to submit all relevant paperwork to the SFA by Friday naming backers etc and to prove he is fit/proper person to run the club. Will this happen? doubt it and where will that leave Rangers.
No league to play in, no SFA licence and the assets being sold for a healthy profit for the new owner Charles Whyte-Green!
Gutted......

It's to be one year out.

More than 1 methinks

How do you figure you're having a year out? Right now, the Rangers are being liquidated so they're out for ever. Newco can apply to join the SFA/SFL but need to have the appropriate paperwork in place. Part of that is 3 years audited accounts. You can't get them in a year. Like most fans in Scotland, I'm trying to come to terms with what football will be like without the Rangers but the reality is, we are heading in a direction where we are about to find out. {Ed039's Note - I dont know where this 3 years audited accounts it coming from, how does a newco have something like this, what would have been the sense in creating a newco? Its nonsense)

26 Jun 2012 19:01:41
not a tim bear threw and threw but were finished in any shape or form no league to play in no players a transfer ban players jumping a sinking ship, were are we gonna assemble a team from and the silence and the moment from green is scary sad state that was once a great institution

26 Jun 2012 18:56:10
ed if we go to the 3rd is it just me that thinks part-time might be implemented. all these players who transfer to newco surely cant justify the wages with the income we will receive. just a thought im no putting anymore doom and gloom on things {Ed039's Note - If its Div 3 then almost the entire squad will be released/sold or stay on with reduced terms as there would be another insolvency event around the corner)

What are the SFL3 rules concerning insolvency events? 10 points deductions?

26 Jun 2012 18:49:06
if Rangers dont get in Div 3 then what happens to the sky contract then, spl clubs are happy enough to say no to let them in spl but would agree to let them in Div1 because they would still get their skt contract money, well let them all stew and apply for Div 3 and work our way back up ,stuff them all and the sky contract no Rangers no contract.

Grow up

Bbc radio today had some corperate lawyer saying that a director of a company has a duty to preserve the best intrests of the company. in his opinion that means money into company via gate receipts etc takes precedence over sporting integrity. if spl make the vote on the 4th secret ballot maybe we will see a different outcome to what everybody thinks. if not come this time next year we will probably have another 5 spl clubs in administration. sausage bear

26 Jun 2012 18:30:13
I've listened to many of the comments from Rangers fans over the past few weeks.....some are great others rather desperate....

I understand your love for your team. I don't support any Glasgow team but I know what your team means to you. Rangers isn't a football club...it's a way of life....win, lose or draw their always there for you!
However guys, if you were to step back from this situation and look at it from a different view, you would see that all the other clubs and supporters haven't got it in for you.

If this had been Aberdeen, would you have sympathised with the club and their fans......I doubt it.

This vote to keep Rangers in the SPL or not is not aimed at the fans. It's a matter of rule. I think that all the clubs involved have had a massive decision to make. The financial implications are also massive.....but the integrity of football must always come first.

I don't believe you should be allowed into the 1st Division just because your Rangers....Regardless of whether your Rangers, Man United or Real Madrid....you should start again with a clean slate from the 3rd Division.....rules are rules. This whole episode is turning into a nightmare for Scotland and it's football associations. Changing the rules just to suit Rangers will cause an animosity for decades to come for Rangers and the relevant associations. Why do other innocent clubs who have been fighting tooth and nail to try and make to the SPL have to step aside in the 1st Division, just to accomodate Rangers?

It's not you the fans this football decision is aimed at.....I feel for the Rangers fans. You have done nothing wrong...but your club must except the rules as they are and if the vote is a NO vote..then start again with your integrity intact and show the football world that you can rise again like a phoenix from the flames and reclaim your place in football history.....Do you really want to be remembered for the fact that you were "give a hand up the wall, because you couldn't climb it yourselves".

Good Luck to you all in the future.

..Great post..most if not all Rangers fans i know want to start from the bottom....its Green and his consortium that wants to take the shortcut...and while i,m at it i,d just like to say that the Rangers fans have been treated really badly by all in Scottish football...what exactly have we done to deserve this hatred?...its a total mystery to me and every other Rangers fan..:(

Integrity? for teams in the SPL, is that why the team relegated from the SPL last season believes they should still be in the SPL and Dundee should be left in the first division. Explain where is the sporting integrity in that......

You keep saying rules are rules, the problem is that there are no rules. had the rules said div three then thats fine, but they dont so the bloodlust continues, just getting silly now

There is no sporting integrity, they are looking after themselves, the problem is that the fans of other clubs backed their chairmen into a corner because they would not buy season tickets. the whole thing is money, nothing more, nothing less.

The problem is the sfa don't want us in div three. Or do the spl chairmen it would then be a minimum of three years and could longer without rangers in the spl would sky stay would sponsors stay and most of all would the fans stay watching a league over by Christmas each year I don't know but I for one want to go to the third clean slate and fight our way back up its the only way we can hold our heads up for our crimes and I hope the investigation into our past chairmen digs deep we don't deserve this

As you said the chairmen where backed into a corner by the fans. the fans weren't influenced with money for them it was sporting integrity! so it's not about the chairmen it's what Scottish football is really about the fans saying no to newco.

In answer to the first responder.... WATP...That is why the rest of the fans hate you, or what you perceive as hate, it is actually just a big get it up you for the arrogance we have endured over the years
we probably all still wish to see rangers in some form or another though, minus the trophies and stars on the badges, no world records but not dead, take yer medicine and come back cleaner, earn the respect and we will see you sometime around 2020

26 Jun 2012 18:19:07
Rangers are set to be refused entry to thr SFL with 20 clubs so far this week set to announce a rejection.

The plus side is, if refused, FIFA can grant them to play in another league, so long as the SFA sont expel them also.

Head of SFL speaking outside SFA offices at Hampden earlier saying needs to talk with SFL teams and get their positions on board, will take some time.
So much for SFA trying to rig SPL hopefully they won't try the same tricks with SFL.

26 Jun 2012 17:43:46
You have to love the optimism of the Scottish Football Fan, its all doom and gloom! Players leaving, denied access to SPL everybody hates us nobody likes us, I think I'll go an eat worms! Its pathetic, what ever happened to follow follow??

Someone had to grow a pair and put us into liquidation, Charles Green has stepped up, kept his cards close to his chest and made no false promises. He never shy's away from the press and is always positive. (These are my opinions) Walter Smith puts his hat in the ring after the hard work was done, he's a hero get him in was the loud cry! He knew what the only way out was and waited to try and steal the glory. If it's 1st or 3rd it doesn't matter, They will still be playing at Ibrox and will still be called Rangers to you and I. We know the outcome of the vote so why wait until the 4th of July? We need to take what cards we are dealt and bounce back. Without you and I this won't happen.

Stop greeting and get on with it. Our past has caught up with us and now it's time to create a new version of the history books as a newco.

26 Jun 2012 17:22:19
Gers fans no doubt we are hurting, but we have to stick together and give our support to the newco. I fear if we don't green will sell to the highest bidder ( which is probably his first plan) and say we tried

26 Jun 2012 17:18:01
I have it from a good source that we are going to be suspended from the SFA for a year to allow us to regroup but then will have to apply to the third division.

Logical and common sense. There isn't enough time to sort out all the official paperwork. Everyone needs to go on holidays including SFL and SFA officials who assess applications.

Lord Carloway needs to suspend for a year as punishment.
No punishments so far, only consequences of Rangers own doing!

You have it from a good source come on is your mate the tea lady in the sfa listening into meetings name names

@4 name names, is that ally by any chance

26 Jun 2012 17:05:11
I can't believe Green didn't know this would happen. If he hasn't got the money for running costs then shipping players wages in the short term is the only way he's going to afford to run the club. No contact with the squad since purchase says it all. I would spend less energy worrying about the symptoms of whats gone wrong like the team/sfa nightmare and complaining about other clubs. The focus should be entirely on finding out and verifying what money Green actually has access to, to cure the underlying problems.

26 Jun 2012 16:57:35
Kyle Lafferty & Jamie Ness both refuse to take up employment with Sevco 5088. Bigger names could follow

26 Jun 2012 16:35:57
Hi people


I have two views on this as a season ticket holder and a loyal fan to Rangers, old co and newco makes no difference we're still the same club.

First of all to all the idiots who keep saying 'youse have cheated for years paying players with money you didnt have' have you got the verdict on the court case? NO so no more brainless comments, Rangers are being liquidated for unpaid tax from last year and because craig whyte took a 27 million pound loan out....END OF.

My first view is from a sporting integrity point of view, lets start from the 3rd division it'll be the only way we get any form of dignity back and then the rest of the 'premier' league clubs cannot moan, we will easily win the 3rd , 2nd and 1st div anyway, and by the time we get back up i fear for money of the other SPL clubs who need our revenue to survive. We cannot play in europe anyway so i see it as no major loss.

My second view is i think at the end of the day Rangers .... and i need to say celtic, make the SPL what it is and gives it all its forms of revenue without us they would be a pub league like ireland and wales wether they wish to accept that or not, and they only have the squads they have just now because of the money we make the league, as for the likes of falkirk and raith rovers....who carers they seriously need to think as a business and realise they may not get the chance to make the sort of revenue they would playing us 4 times a season ever again as along with the rest of the 1st division clubs.


I think the other clubs need to remember aswell alot of scotlands co-efficient points for europe have came from OUR participation eg the uefa cup run and champions league last 16 success. Its not the fans fault were in the situation its tghe action of individuals, i dont see HIBS, HEARTS, ABERDEEN OR DUNDEE UTD, having full stadiums every weekend, only time there fans turn out is when they play us or when the get to a domestic cup final.


GGER

Why do you think the tax wasnt payed last year and CW took out 27mil loan? Because youse spent years cheating, paying players youse couldnt afford. {Ed039's Note - whats that got to do with the way whyte conducted himself?)

Whyte tried everything to keep Rangers afloat. Not paying PAYE and NI was to keep it going.
Newbie manager McCoist stuffed it up, out of 4 competitions rather quickly and stopped 4 revenue streams pushing Rangers into administration.
SDM and McCoist are to blame.

Well sain Ed
Keith Jackson was on radio today and said he felt the punishment is now way beyond reality as to what rangers are guilty of
Craig whytes dealings are what we're talking about now and rangers and the creditors are the victims in this
Ebt's verdict is still to come
We lost our great club because of Craig whyte

Ed39...It has nothing to do with how Whyte conducting himself. Should it have done? {Ed039's Note - what?)

26 Jun 2012 16:30:28
I think this is why Smith & his consortium pulled back from joining Green. Smith did state he didn't see where the funding was coming from knowing fine well the players would walk. Green only wants them to transfer to newco so he can sell them to fund running of the club. This is Whyte all over again no money to run the club, there's no way any player over 1 grand a week will be at ibrox if div 3 is where we have to play in fact I reckon 1 grand a week is probably more than will be paid. Watch this space for Smith to come back in again when Green is desperate to sell. In fact wouldnt surprise me if Walter has had a word with most of the players to advise them they would be sold & there fee used to run the club. McCoist is binding his time until Walter comes back in again ? Thoughts any1. {Ed039's Note - I dont think we have seen the last of Smith)

OP - could be mate, but I think if Walter does then be prepared for a barrage of EBT questions heading his way.

26 Jun 2012 15:58:04
any SPL clubs or LOWER LEAGUE clubs who have still to decide which way to vote regards SEVCO should put ballot boxes in the club shop and season ticket holders and anyone who spends say £20 inshop could get a vote on what they want thier club to vote

26 Jun 2012 15:31:53
Ch 4 Alex Thomson offering an apology and making reference to the Memorial statue, it's on his blog;
'However, it is true that this statue commemorates those who died in the Ibrox Park disaster. Some have interpreted this as disrespectful to their memory. I was aware of the significance of the statue, but did not interpret that this image was designed to make a cruel link between those that lost their lives and the recent Rangers story.

I firmly believe that this image was intended as a comment on Mr Greig, but when I was alerted to this other possible interpretation, I immediately deleted the tweet and issued an unreserved apology to anyone who was offended.'
Well maybe he's been hanging about with the wrong crowd for too long now.

26 Jun 2012 14:29:33
Celtic fan here (boo, hiss!!). Am I reading this properly or is their a chance of Rangers not being allowed in the SFL at all !!??

Is somebody taking the piss!! Both Rangers and Celtic have about 30% of the total football fans in Scotland. I know that Rangers need to be punished, but not allowing them in one of the top divisions is just a joke that we can't afford.

I disagreed with McCoist when he said the OF where a special case. But now I'm beginning to see his point (only just). Not the SPL but somewhere for god's sake. The fans deserve better than this.

I didn't mind the SPL teams being allowed to vote against Gers. They have all been affected in one way or other. But Alloa, Albion Rovers,etc. Come on!!

To real Gers fans. Best of luck!!

p.s. NewCo will be Rangers to me (if we ever get to play them). If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. It's a f**king duck!

Another celtic fan and disagree with ya.. why should newco get specail rules to go into first division. they need to ask fro election to join sfl in 3rd division. oh and by the way i was in vegas and saw a guy who looked like elvis, walked like elvis, sung like elvis, dressed like elvis and dressed like elvis but bugger me if elvis aint STILL DEAD!!!!

No m8 rangers and celtic have about 60% of fan base in scotland. rangers had about averaging 45 thousand home gates , celtic 56.500, aberdeen 8.000, hearts 9.000,dundee utd 7.500, hibs 7.5000 then the rest 3/5 thousand. so R.I.P spl the end is near for all.

That's why you Celtic fans will never get it mate.
There are thousands of Elvis impersonators.
There is only one "Club" called the "Rangers"
We're down but not out,rest assured we'll be back, in time.
It'll give the rest of you a chance to catch up. Still the most successful domestic club in the world.
And still welcome the chase!
P.O.B.

@POB:You really are starting to lose the plot.Green has bought the assets of the old club,Real estate,badge etc,but liquidation rules dictate that any newco cannot operate in a style too similar to the liquidated company.TRFC is the business vehicle that sevco will use for the next team.What Green has not said is what the name of the team will be.A lot will depend on the liquidators report,they might not even be allowed to use the name rangers in the title.And please,the most successful club in the world will be no more in a few weeks.Work through the stages,you will feel better.............green jhedi

Blah blah blah GJ!
Look up the definition of "Club".
You will find the following.

"a group of people organized for a social, literary, or other purpose:
e.g. - an athletic club.
"to attend a club or a club's activities."
"the building or rooms occupied by such a group."

You are obsessed with names and titles GJ.
Doubt you will ever feel better.
I find it rediculously hysterical how Celtic fans are obsessed with our club's alleged"dissapearance".
Any time a press article or an individual refers to us as "Rangers" they can't handle it. Strange that is it not?
We're still here. Is that getting to you GJ?
P.O.B.

@POB: What does that prove,the definition of a club?In a sporting context,oldco,and their history will end with liquidation.This is why Green can apply for the oldco share in the SPL,cos oldco are no more!Getting to me? Are you having a laugh? Clearly you are struggling to cope with the reality of the situation,Green,Walter,various players and ex players have told you it will not be rangers next year.Are they all lying?...........green jhedi

26 Jun 2012 15:09:00
Another deserter Jamie ness rejects newco switch, but does it really matter he's just another crock.

A few weeks ago he was the great white hope..........green jhedi

26 Jun 2012 14:40:23
What is the position with the rangers reserve and youth teams, will they be liquidated aswell even though they are a different company? Would it not be possible to keep them, who were founded in 1872 BUT are a different company but still come under the same umbrella as Glasgow rangers fc but were sold to another company in 2005. Would it not be possible to rebrand them rather than a newco and apply to play sfl3, thus still having history from 1872?! Anyone have an idea?

Ridiculous lies.

For gods sake give this nonsense up.Rangers,in their old guise,will be no more in a couple of weeks.History will be just that ,history like third lanark,a club that used to be famous.

Explain how this is "lies" I asked if it was possible...not that it was going to happen! As for another company owning youth team....that is fact! I havnt lied only ask a question.

26 Jun 2012 13:32:40
fantastic news that wallace WILL be staying next season,just one prob though assuming he's on 6/8 k a week where's the money to pay him?

Try £18k per week! {Ed039's Note - He will be sold as soon as an offer comes in for him)

He should be returned to hearts, it might even garner a modicum of respect from other scottish teams, no doubt rangers need that at the moment

26 Jun 2012 12:49:56
I find it hard to take in naismiths statement about uncertainty,surely 2 serious knee injuries should cause uncertainty,but no the club stood by him through his rehab,thanks for the lovalty.....not,we don't need this kind of guy for the future

Kinda argued his point there. It's a short career, and all this crap with us, and the fact that we don't even know what division, if any, that we'll be in next year is exactly why he, and any other player, should leave. Let's not forget those injuries that you mentioned, were incurred while playing for us. And the insurance paid for it. And another thing, he, and many others, took a wage cut to save our club, and while it ended up being in vain, it was a noble gesture. If he had been past it, or no longer performing, do you think the club would have been loyal? No. They would have shipped him out asap. DrummieBear

To both Naismith and Whittaker thanks for the service and the memories and i wish you both every success in your career.Shaun H

26 Jun 2012 12:21:02
Raith and Falkirk oppose Rangers newco First Division move
26 June 12 12:01

Raith Rovers have joined Falkirk in stating their opposition to "newco" Rangers being admitted to the Scottish First Division.
Rangers are seeking a league to play in now that it appears certain their bid to play in the Scottish Premier League will be rejected on 4 July.
The Scottish Football League board is currently meeting to discuss proposals, including Rangers' entry to its set-up.
Rovers say they will "certainly not" vote in favour of Rangers' application.

If raith rovers and falkirk had a game how many fans would attend,if Rangers played either,what would the crowd be? I know its a mute point,but at the moment Scottish football is on the edge of oblivion,ready to implode ,and probably never recover to the standard of yesteryear,and why? They all want to crucify Rangers,get their pound of flesh,and you know what? they will all suffer as a consequence,a sad end to a once proud football nation.Baxter,McGrain,Law,Bremner,and many more,great players that we produced,now,nothing but bitterness,and recrimination,the end is,Nigh

26 Jun 2012 12:28:43
Sorry to see the newco may not be
entering the spl but i dont think
this has to do with the problems
your club has been through.
the minority fans who had to talk
about boycotting away games to
teach other spl teams a lesson
and bringing them down with you

When a club goes through this you
find out who the true fans are when
all said and done. those who say i
support the rangers because of
record trophys or poss no history
Last point would like to say good
luck and hope to see you back in spl
fighting with us for the title again

26 Jun 2012 11:21:36
How can one guy buy a football club like Rangers for a pound and then less than a year later it is bought for 5.5 million? and the guy who bought it for a pound managed to borrow 27 million to fund his one pound purchase? for a club sold for a pound. the whole thing stinks, bring in fthe fraud squad. disgrace.

No

CW bought the shares for £1 and paid off £27m of debt (not with his own money however).

CG bought shares for £2 and paid off £5.5m of debt (with who knows what money).

The club is worth nothing. The money goes into clearing debts and providing working capital.

26 Jun 2012 11:10:55
To my fellow bears just a wee joke to try and make us smile for 2 seconds again... craig+babybear I was standing at the bar when a girl came up to me. "Fancy buying me a drink?" She said. "Sure," I replied, "If you let me choose."

"Okay," she grinned. "But how will you know what I want?"

"Well, it's kind of a talent," I smiled. "All I do is look a girl up and down and I know exactly what drink suits her best."

"Okay," she giggled. "You can choose for me."

So I turned to the barman and said, "Diet coke, mate."

26 Jun 2012 09:09:15
if craig whyte is found guilty of fraud, then his take over of rangers is classed as null and void, criminal procedures will prove this, so ed, where does that leave the sfa and spl in terms of charges handed out to an organisation that wasnt legally owned by whyte, this could be the end of scottish football as we know it, as rangers the company will be found to have commited no crime at all, whats your take on this?

The sale will not be void it will just have been obtained by means of defrauding certain individuals. The spl/sfa have acted on the facts they have thus the situation we are in. I'm guessing that if found guilty then the sfa/spl and rangers along with others may take out civil actions against whyte and we all know how that'll end in a few years.

Jamie Ayrshire bear

Ellis (existing RFC director) helped him obtain the club. SDM sold club knowing from private investigators report what a charlatan CW was. The other RFC directors did no alert the financial or league authorities until after D&P came in for Administration. EBTs and doubel contracts for past 10 years.

Rotten to the core.

This isnt Dallas, you wont wake up and find this has been a dream. Rangers committed the crimes, whoever owned or ran them does not take away from the fact that they as a club benefitted from every dodge that was committed by them.

Nonsense I'm afraid. This is really clutching at straws. Think SDM wants it back? Will he pay all these creditors and back taxes?

Lots of companies go under and fraud is suspected as being a contributing factor. Remember BCCI and Ferranti?

It is responsiblity of directors/auditors and shareholders to prevent this type of activity. they all seemed to have failed

Even if true, anyone got a time machine?
Ultimately the club became insolvent and couldnt meet its creditors so it is gone

Who's been reading leggat then? load of fish ..col

26 Jun 2012 10:05:35
I will follow rangers whatever guise the club take wherever and what ever league they play in I was unhappy when RFC died but I could never switch to any other team so I will follow the team that plays at Ibrox admittedly I don't go every week but I now live outside Scotland which means it is more difficult and also costs more for me to attend matches especially when I have 2 kids that also want to go but I get as often as I can to games wither home or away when I can afford it but I must say that I won't be attending any more away games at spl grounds inc parkhead as I just don't want to give my hard earned cash to clubs that seem to be revealing in putting the boot in to us what I would say however let these clubs fans who are threatening to boycott their own clubs show the colour of their money and fill their stadium as when I've travelled to away grounds more often than not the rangers support looks bigger that the home support I know that I will still be at Ibrox for games possibly even more as the tickets will also hopefully be cheaper but let's just see how many season tickets ect that the other clubs sell when we the big bad wolves of Scottish football are playing away in sfl3.

Legend79

RFC has indeed finished. The overlapping RFC monogram cannot be used again.
The shield and Lion from 1984 on the side of Ibrox has to come down.
The statue of John Greig is the old club and company not the new club and company.
Wimbledon became MKDons. TRFC need to remove the word Rangers from this new clubs identity.

All club badges, logo's and crests are trademarked and are therefore a company asset - they were sold to Green who can use them as he likes

26 Jun 2012 09:46:54
RE Tiger below "We wont have short memories"
I think you better hope some SFL
clubs DO have short memories...
In 1964 Rangers tried to get the
5 clubs with the smallest attendances
thrown out of the SFL, these teams
were Albion Rovers, Stenhousemuir,
Berwick Rangers, Brechin City and
Stranraer.
Now in an ironic twist these 5 clubs
will now vote on allowing Sevco into
the SFL.
Oh the sins of the past.......
Timalloy

Yes you are partly right, as usual, as RFC led a group of clubs who wanted to reduce the numbers.
In 1964 your mhob were 8th in the league and probably felt more akin to the lower supported clubs anyway, but fair play Michael Kelly backed the smaller teams, the same Michael Kelly who led your club thro the tax scam of estimated attendances- so he knew a thing or two about low attendances.
Now interestingly enough the move to have the clubs expelled was blocked by Stenhousemuir Director Robert Turpey who went to court and was successfull in obtaining an Interim Interdict to stop the clubs being removed. In November 1964 the issue was settled out of court.
Deary deary me a club going outside of the footballing family to have an issue settled in court - whatever next eh?Strange, well not really, how you now are backing those clubs who went to court.

And it took another ten years for the clubs to realise we were right and restructure the leagues into three divisions of 10 14 and 14, again we were ahead of our rivals in thinking so waht is your point

JG

@1: in those days there weer no rules about taking football matters to court.

@3 but funny how a few clubs felt the need to have their say in court.

@1 sorry wrong again. The Celtic chairman
BOB KELLY opposed this on guess what SPORTING INTEGRITY
ring a bell.? Timalloy

26 Jun 2012 08:45:54
To ease your pain about having no
Celtic games next season, UEFA and
Celtic will soften the blow when we
play Linfield in Champions League thus
allowing you all your Celtic fix LOL Timalloy

25 Jun 2012 23:35:15
well, its sfl for us now, i hope all you bears on here, like me wont have short memories when (and we will) bounce back to the spl. i hope and urge that we dont take any away allocation for the 6 clubs who have publicy stated they dont want us in spl, also hope when we get to div 1 falkirk get boycott as well. i will be renewing my season ticket but most def wont be on the bus for away games any more.
we are the people
the tiger

" i will be renewing my season ticket "

No , you won't . RFC are to be liquidated , therefore , you may be buying a season ticket but it won't be for RFC , they won't exist . The NEWCLUB are to be voted out of the SPL and don't have the stipulated three years of accounts needed for the SFL .

Rangers are gone and NEWCLUB can't get in .

Season ticket ? Stop it , my sides are splitting

jimi88

A true Rangers supporter. Wont go to an away game to support their new team cos the home team dared vote against you ? The usual pathetic logic from people that think they have some divine right to get into any league they choose !!
edg

More boycotts? What would you have wanted to happen if it had been any other club in this position? Can you really not comprehend why clubs are voting no? It's not about hatred but to prevent other clubs doing what Rangers have done in future. If you think it's all about spite then that says more about you than about them.

Were celtic not boycotting clubs votein newco watp dez