Rangers Banter Archive May 26 2012

 

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26 May 2012 22:20:25
Extinction bears is a cert!!Theres a tornado about to blow yous apart,then a huge hiroshima bomb about to explode!& yous thought the EBT,TAX,VAT scams,takeovers,CVA,NI,Double contracts.court trials,All trivial as its all OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!stevo..enjoy my heads up,as yours will be forever stuck in the sand!!!

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Stevo you don't half talk s**t .. Kenny bluenose

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Ffs stevo!! Keep telling yourself stuff and you might start believing it. Glue has a lot to answer for! GvanW

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Stevo is Timalloy on opal fruits...CheltBlue

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OMG ed, opal fruits? CheltBlue (pmsl)

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Guys why do you keep responding to this guy stevo. he obvisously hates all things rangers and comes across a bitter guy so the next time he posts dont reply!!

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There is deffintely more bombshells to come! But all you Gers fans denied this would happen or that would happen untill it ACTUALLY happened! Believe me the worst has yet to come but rest assured IT IS COMING!

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@5: he's on the wind-up - you just read hatred in his posts but there's not.

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26 May 2012 21:16:10
listened to bam cowan and stupid cosgrove today they are haveing a ball with whats going on at RANGERS last week no one was to mention the Rword through out the whole programe then today they couldnt stop themselfs talking about the R word F..king hippocrites, the way cosgrove talks about st johnstone you would think they had 20,000 at their games every week as for cowan between his show on radio scotland and his record collum getting a swipe at RANGERS at every turn, well cowan and cosgrove if you both get ur wish for TANGERS to go out of extinction lets see how long your yeams last without our support feeding your clubs and your pubs and your local shops on saturdays or midweek.

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What an unhinged,twisted rant.You any idea what you sound like? Cant you see IT IS ALL YOUR CLUBS FAULT!

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I am a true bear but st johnstone and motherwell are run well, plus well have champions league next year, so lets stick to our own probs who cares who is havin a dig at us ..
craig+babybear

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@OP. Make difference does it make, you lot are boycoting everyone anyway. So extinct Rangers, Rangers in SFL3 or weakened rangers in the SPL the result would be the same, no rangers fans at away grounds.
As the the no R word last week. This story has taken up more airtime on every BBC Scotland radio show since February than any other story or coverage of football matches, including OTB. Last week was cup final day and for the week before, the BBC was trying to give it a bit of coverage and a little less on the Rangers saga. As for OTB, it is a humourous football programme and the rangers story is comedy gold for everyone outside Rangers.
Al

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I agree with original post, cowan and cosgrove are a pair of t**ts.

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Mr cowan would never dream of demonising his good buddy boyle who has taken his fair share of companies into admin,but hey he enjoys riding on johnnys rich gravy train like the carribean nuptuals and other free loading junkets

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They are good guys as what they say is true and funny.Also can't blame them for being Tims as are not---the usual excuse given.There ARE lots of people who think the same about the Gers but you only blame Celtic fans.90% of football fans want the team punished and then to come back and take it's rightful place.Cowan and Cosgrove are good for the game as they can give it out to ALL clubs--it's just your turn.

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26 May 2012 19:18:31
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Bill72. proved in the DR today with Klos contract that the SFA were not informed of EBT payments.I ask again,how many players have said the payments were a loan? Have any paid money back? No,cz they were part of their salary.

so now the Daily Record is the best thing since sliced bread all because it has printed something negative about Rangers its funny that every time they print or show Celtic or Lennon in a negative spin the celtic pages are full of posts about how bias the Daily Rangers is and how all the reporters are masons etc yet now its above reproach and a credit to journalism

lochaber Bear

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Are you really so blinkered?They showed a print of the contract! No hearsay,rumour or gossip,a pic of the contract.No EBT in any of what they presented to the SFA.Open your eyes,you are being taken for mugs,all Green wants is season books to be bought.No wonder whyte screwed you so easily!

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You would find Celtic fans stay away from it because it is shiat and because of everything it has said/shown Celtic in past years. we just find it funny now that they have "turned" on yous, you are up in arms saying how dare they but when as you said talk about Celtic and Lennon you loved them...we are just laughing at yous and them but now mostly at yous because you think everyone is against yous, which you might be right but that is because...get this....yous CHEATED and are CORRUPT, you think the papers should just be like they use to be by making Celtic look like the bad club. the papers arnt saving yous now and feeding yous with all things that are in favor for your club like your white knight, your war chest and whatever else....keep up the comedy work cause we are loving it, whats next? whos to blame next?

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Why are you loving it so much though? It really is baffling me the obsession with all things Rangers (you know that club that you all love to hate so much)
Maybe you think if Rangers go out of business your team can finally step out from behind their shadow and become the new big club in Scotland who knows. But I'm sure there is a cure out there for OCDR (Obsessive Compulsions Disorder with Rangers)

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Why are we loving it so much.....because you fans are comedy gold! we feel sorry for the real fans but fans like the poster and you is funny and why we like to see you go....if all of yous would accept the fact your club is wrong and should be punished no matter what punishment(that the rules say) then you would start to build up respect, but i think that word lacks in yous because you keep blaming everyone, thinking its all Celtic ppl all of a sudden once things are said against yous. like you said with Alex Thomson or the pannel of board members or the media or the rocks on the ground that got in your shoe

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OCDR? This is the biggest story in Scottish football history. Why shouldn't fans of every other club take an interest? Add to this the fact that it is hilarious. Just when you think you've heard it all, another revelation comes out. And in case you hadn't noticed, Rangers aren't in the list of 50 top football brands, Celtic are. In fact, I couldn't even see Rangers in the top 190. So much for the biggest club in Scotland.
Al

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@5 I'm not talking about a brand name.By biggest club I don't mean who sells the most jerseys to the Thai Tims etc!

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6# I think you will find the thai tims get their kit donated.

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@7 someone must pay nike for them victor wanyama has just arranged delivery of 6000 to celtics feeder club in kenya now thats what i call a big squad or are the strips disposable

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The Celtic charity fund pays for them.Similiar idea to your legends game....Oh wait thats wrong cos your club took a cut of that eh?

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26 May 2012 16:21:52
i absolutely refuse to post or even read past page one of the daily records forum as its just so full of very very bitter anti rangers nitwits....motherwell dunutd..hibs ...stj all complaining about the misfortunes and demise of my club...one rangers man in all the posts.....wondering if all those above mentioned clubs complained when 10,000 gers supporters turned up and spent money at their s**tholes and thats what they are.....in the spl as we speak administration is closing in on the 8,000 metre called the "death zone"....lets see how quickly their oxygen runs oot when theres 150 gers supporters buyin pies n bovvy instead of 10.000....more to be pitied than scorned imo.....the past is the past and we all know that huge mistakes were made by minty etc....but enuffs enuff....let us move on and keep all those complainers in business....how much tax and expenses by supporters of our great club will be spent in the next 20 years if we continue as per...look at the big picture all you people who really want to cut off their snouts to spite their coupons.....up the gers...deecee

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Dear me,you really are one of the most blinkered silly posters on here.Ten thousand fans? To win a league possibly but no where near that most away games.Sh**holes? Ibrokes needs millions spent on asbestos removal so.....?Great club? Hardly,great clubs dont stiff life saving agencies and small business.Cheats cannot be seen to prosper in a sporting environment,accept it and take your punishment.

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So now that the DR start to talk about the most corrupt club in history you dont like them any more? but you were happy for them to be on your side and lead you on with the white night and how yous would sign this person and that, all those years of love for them because they were saying how wonderfull your club is and now they see the truth you expect them to continue to please yous, but then again everyone if out to get yous eh? the only shiat holes and oxygen that is runing out is your club, you talk about anitgers....well do you not hear yourself? think about your club and what it has done, mostly your legends letting yous down and not careing about yous, and all the corruption and money that is owed around the world and you think your so inocent? im not going to even tell you to Wake Up because it is just better if you keep asleep and your head burried in the sand so people dont have to lisen to you. good bye and goodnight just like your club!

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Hey decay I see your at it again what a total lot of mince you post time after time. Are these the same clubs who have played by the rules, payed their tax,payed their ni,payed players by the correct method? Maybe that's why their grounds are not up to par to busy paying their way I suppose so what's your lots excuse with a stadium riddled with asbestos? And again, tell me the last team to go bust when relegated from the spl? The sooner you lot realise Scottish football will survive without the shame the better as you will finally accept that your tea is out. Ta ta Scotland's shame. Briggs

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The DR comments are made up of the "dregs" of the community. Each poster one step from Jeremy Kyle and infamy. The odd gers fan and hundreds, and I mean hundreds, of hoopys getting hot under the collar. TBH rivalry is one thing but the hate is starting to put me off Celtic. ;) CheltBlue

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Its deece w**ker

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26 May 2012 16:12:59
So BBC Radio Scotland are saying so far on 10% of rangers story has come out ..What more can come out ...Some saying match fixing if this is true we are finished

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These ones that say match fixing m8 are the very ones that where saying that bbc were going to expose that david Murray had wee Fergus phone hacked these very same people will blame Rangers for the Greek financial crisis and dont you know its our fault Britain has plunged into double dip recession

Lochaber Bear

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I always had the BBC down as a neutral, objective team, who produce qualiity documentaries and fabulous nature programmes. When did they sink to the level of Channel 4 and the like? And what would cause them to want to bring more problems to such a great institution? Do they not care that their actions can affect so many employees, never mind millions of fans. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. Perhaps Daly would not be so keen for his 15 minutes of fame if one of his family worked for Rangers. Sad thing is, we learned nothing new, and trying to implicate the administrators is pathetic, to say the least. A very expensive programme, but too little too late, wasted more taxpayers money........

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Your the ones who wasted taxpayers money! omg yous are just a COMPLETE JOKE, so you dont want anyone reporting what your cllub did, the most corrupt club and how it f#*ked over soooo many ppl and clubs. you think eneryone would keep there mouth shut and so ok yous can get away with it. bring more problems to this great institution? well sound like you should be put in a great institution because yous do sound crazy....dont you think your own clubs actions affected so many employees and fans? cant wait till it is all over for you because then we dont have to hear your dumb thoughts of thinking your club is so inocent, and there is more to come out....how can you still defend your club? and think ppl are aginst yous/ have you not seen the proof and all the facts...your just hopeless, for you think everyone is prob a Celtic supporter just because they are reporting the facts and if thats the case then you have alot fewer fans in the world then you think and indeed just prove that Celtic are/is/always was the biggest club in Scotland, for they are the last one standing. but hey if yous do try and come back at least you have a GREAT club to look at on how to run a club the right way.

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The BBC do have evidence of phone hacking pal. Theyve held it back...for now. Watch this space.
Bhrydo BHoy.....the story does not end here

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2# Laughable.Because you dont like what you hear it must be rubbish.Did you say the same when Whyte breezed in or did his wealth off the radar suit you?Great institution? Dont make me laugh,disgraced institution more like.Did murray or whyte worry about employees when they were shafting you?You got a fighting fund so if you liquidate i assume the cash will be split between the employees? Denial and deflect,

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@4 get a life you deluded fool if the BBC had evidence of phone hacking they would have had a bloody 2 hours special on it maybe its time you stopped watching the leveson inquiry it seems to be giving you nightmares.

ive heard it all now "the bbc has evidence of phone hacking" pmsl even my celtic supporting mates are pi55ing them self at this one

Lochaber Bear

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Were A COMPLETE JOKE thats funny your like the wee boy in the playground who nobody likes because he thinks he is better than anyone else if we are such a joke why are u lot all so obsessed with us.LOL COMPLETE JOKE.

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@4 dates back to 2001 most believe nonone trusted wee fergus still think it was the now myself old firm headline exclusives sell papers in scotland hence all the media hype at the moment

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So its the bbcs fault aswel now aswel as channel 4, the sfa,spl,celtic, peter lawell, mark daly, alex thomson,st johnstone, motherwell, hibs, wiseman dairies, the daily record, arnold clark, hmrc, duff and phelps, vauxhall, tunnocks teacakes. I blame tony blair myself for ra rangers trouble. hes got to be involved somewhere in this. I remember before administration the word paranoia was mentioned on this page a hell of alot. i dont see it so often now

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26 May 2012 14:30:13
BBC Scotland has decided to publish further evidence about a suspected conflict of interest concerning the administrators of Rangers.

The BBC has seen emails which show that a small number of people were invited to a dinner to celebrate completing the acquisition of Rangers, on 16 June 2011 at exclusive London restaurant, Langans.
Nine people attended, including Craig Whyte, his lawyer Gary Withey, Rangers director Phil Betts, David Grier and Ross Bryan, the executive from Ticketus who oversaw the deal with Rangers.
The four other attendees were the lawyers, accountants and financial advisors who helped put the deal together.
The BBC put it to Mr Grier's PR team on Friday that it "stretched credibility" that he was the only person invited to the celebration that night who did not know about the Ticketus deal.
In a statement Mr Grier said: "I attended the function you refer to in the full knowledge that the club had an ongoing and existing relationship with Ticketus.

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When are the BBC going to publish the proof of these said double contracts they have i thought that would be a bigger headline than who went for a good old nosh up

Lochaber Bear

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Here we go again.
An ebt is a tax avoidance scheme.
It is a loan you never have to pay back.
If it is in your contract it would be taxable and utterly pointless.
Therefore a football player with an ebt is receiving a payment outside his contract.
This makes him ineligible to play in UEFA and sfa competitions.

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26 May 2012 13:25:46
As an adult and a rangers fan could I be allowed to make the following statement of fact.

Rangers FC has tried to avoid paying 50m or so of tax by using an EBT system, which is not deemed legal by Hmrc, there is an appeal and tribunal ready to decide on liabilities. Over the past months rfc has purposefully refused to pay its debts to numbers of creditors and used the money to fund its activities, at best or been hidden by the owner of rfc at worst. Rfc may well have broken SFA rules regarding multiple contracts with players. All the above are activities of rfc as a club. I cannot believe the amount of supposedly adults that keep wingeing on about history and the club and it was somebody else's fault. Grow up, recognise that a football club has been wholly guilty of cheating and make an adult decision about what is important in life. If the club goes, who cares, it is only a game and there are far more important matters in life. What do you really think supporters are owed? It is laughable to see grown people thinking they are owed anything just for watching football. Go and ask CW for a tenner and see what response you get. And that my friends is your club.

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I think you may have given yourself away at the end of your post you say "and that my friends is your club" yet at the beginning you say" as an adult and a Rangers fan" if indeed you are a Rangers fan you would have said our club not your club. so at least be an Adult and be honest where your allegiance lye's


Lochaber Bear

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Since Feb 14th we have had every looney with a laptop telling us what we should do and how morally it's wrong to try and reduce your tax burden, every company in the land every self employed hack pay their accountants each year to do their books and make sure they pay the minimum.Every article about Rangers for the last 3 months has a unbelievable amount of comment from our many enemies out there , some starting off in a nice patronizing way but they always let the mask slip and the bubbling hatred just pours out.I sort of expected this from the jealous hordes out there but the biggest surprise is how some of the hacks have stuck their boot in they will eventually get their just desserts when we are back where we normally reside ie top of the pile . So enjoy your bit of fun it wont last forever . RS

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How on earth can ANYONE disagree with his/ her posts. So what if he/ she is not an RFC fan. The post is 110% accurate

And there u have it

Mojo

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2#You do realise there is now a real danger you will not be back? Players wages reverting back to original levels soon,and who is gonna pick that tab up?Remember no income for two months but your big earners need paying.And by the way this "boot in" nonsense is now just tedious.

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Ok Mojo I'll bite!
EBTs were legal, when they were at heir peak during the years in question, they were in the accounts/ balance sheet HMRC/ SPL knew of them
Secondly RFC have NOT refused to pay creditors 'these last months' - part of the process of going into Admin is that payments to creditors are frozen

Will that do for starters Mojo or would you like me to type slower for you?

bil72

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@ 3 i am not disagreeing with his/her post what im disagreeing with is his/her opening statement

"as an adult and a rangers fan " if he/she wants to be adult about this either say which club he/she really support and dont try and beef it up by saying as a rangers supporter bla bla bla it makes no difference to the original post which may i add has some merits to it

lochaber bear

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Bill72. proved in the DR today with Klos contract that the SFA were not informed of EBT payments.I ask again,how many players have said the payments were a loan? Have any paid money back? No,cz they were part of their salary.

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Not the EBT's were legal guff again...Bill, why don't you call HMRC & The SFA and tell them they've both got it wrong...EBTs were legal don't you know!...We all know that EBTs were a legitimate TAX avoidance scheme but they are meant to be for small loans not paying salary in the form of a tax free loan...do you honestly think that Barry Ferguson receiving £2.5m tax free is right?...can you get paid tax free through an EBT at your work?...I have my own business Bill and my accountant tried to suggest something very similar..I was advised to backdate all directors salaries and send the money to the isle of man and when it came back everything would be fine, I was also told the taxman doesn't like it but you can do it and your paperwork has to be meticulous....guess what? I didn't do it and he's no longer my accountant!!. If I knew it was a very risky strategy then surely a man like SDM knew as well.

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Still can't see any mention of EBTS in Klos contract

Is my DR missing a page?

bil72

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Mate, original poster here, first football game rangers reserves v raith rovers late sixties, rangers played in red, season ticket holder for fifteen years, why can you not just read, think and then consider your response rather than wrapping yourself up in the same blinkered tripe that has been getting spewed out over the last few months.

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9# Thats the whole point you berk! No mention of EBT's in the contract they showed the SFA! Can you get it now?

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#8. Well done sir , as an ex md my accountant was a straight as they come , overly so I thought at the time! Glad now she never tried to lead me down any garden paths as the buck stops with you. Hope business is brisk. Joe

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26 May 2012 13:22:00
Is anyone else sceptical about how the money raised through events like the legends game and RFF is being used? Where is it? Who has it? How much is there? Relaying pitches and QC's legal fees? Is that what the money was raised for?

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Money not was but still is being raised for the general running of the club if pitches need replaced this is general maintenance.as for paying for qc's being hired you must fight fire with fire , the sfa are using aidan oneill qc to justify the transfer embargo in the court of session surely as a rangers fan you must support the rfff standing up and paying up to defend our club against a ruling that was not in the remit of the sfa to impose.you may say that they could have expelled us as that is in the rules, well why didn't they?we must get up off the floor and start kicking back otherwise the kicking we are taking will go on and on until we cannot get up.so for the sake of the survival of our club we all must continue to back the rfff and let them get on with the struggle to keep us alive

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26 May 2012 13:14:31
Read this and weep, what have Duff & Duffers started??

Article 64 Obligation
1 The Confederations, Members and Leagues shall agree to recognise
CAS as an independent judicial authority and to ensure that their
members, affiliated Players and Officials comply with the decisions
passed by CAS. The same obligation shall apply to licensed match
and players’ agents.
2 Recourse to ordinary courts of law is prohibited unless specifically
provided for in the FIFA regulations.
3 The Associations shall insert a clause in their statutes or regulations,
stipulating that it is prohibited to take disputes in the Association or
disputes affecting Leagues, members of Leagues, clubs, members of
clubs, Players, Officials and other Association Officials to ordinary
courts of law, unless the FIFA regulations or binding legal provisions
specifically provide for or stipulate recourse to ordinary courts of
law. Instead of recourse to ordinary courts of law, provision shall be
made for arbitration. Such disputes shall be taken to an independent
and duly constituted arbitration tribunal recognised under the rules
of the Association or Confederation or to CAS.
The Associations shall also ensure that this stipulation is
implemented in the Association, if necessary by imposing a binding
obligation on its members. The Associations shall impose sanctions
on any party that fails to respect this obligation and ensure that any
appeal against such sanctions shall likewise be strictly submitted to
arbitration, and not to ordinary courts of law.
43

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How can anyone disagree with this? It is in the fifa regs! Point 2 above simply explains why Duff & Duffer shouldn,t have bothered even starting the court proceedings.

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So, my reading of this is that NOBODY can challenge ANY Football authority without major sanctions. Even if they believe they have case.

bil72
This is the 21st century isn't it?? {Ed014's Note - That is basically it bil72.As members of the SFA and UEFA all clubs have accepted to play by their rules.

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An important section has been omitted from the article of association posted above.
There is a provision for UEFA to grant dispensation in extraordinary circumstances. I assume that RFC/D&P deem the likely loss of the top earners
would amount to "extraordinary" circumstances,as Rangers would have next to no players. The argument being that it is unfair on the new owners.
P.O.B.

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3#And whos fault you will have"no players"? Your own club,players should have been sold in january to raise cash,this is why no one has any sympathy for you.Right now you have FORTY registered players,get on with it

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If thats fifas rules then why have the sfa went to the expense of hiring aidan oneill qc surely they shouldnt have bothered turning up at court if its that straight forward

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26 May 2012 12:07:34
Who stole our club and why ?

Our best bet was Paul Murray and Brian Kennedy and that's now gone. Chartered accountants and lawyers must surely have been advising the owners of the company. Don't dodge tax !

Tragic doesn't come close.

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26 May 2012 11:12:00
According to the Daily record this morning:

Preferred bidder Green says he has reached informal agreement with HMRC over the partial repayment of Rangers’ debts through a Conditional Voluntary Agreement (CVA)...

Former Sheffield United chief executive Green said of the planned CVA: “HMRC have given us the nod but we need it in writing.”


I just don't see this as credible.
Other thoughts please.

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I take anything regarding football in the DR with a pinch of salt.
Al

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The fact it didn't appear till page 7, says it all really
DR at its best

bil72

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This could be true.
Two possible scenarios.
One good one not so good.
Partial reduction of debt,- i.e. percentage of creditor debt owed to HMRC.
Or...They have agreed a sale of liquid assets as payment.
The Albion? Murray Park?
P.O.B.

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26 May 2012 10:12:58
The appeal re- the transfer ban is succesful. What then? We are not going to be let of scot free- a 12 month suspension looms.

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26 May 2012 10:03:02
Fellow Bears watched the weather last night and all UK scortchio with big black cloud over Govan.
I'm not happy with this new court case at all. It's challenging the integrity of the legal system, it's Judges and QCs.
Not happy D&P have withheld evidence of two contracts from SPL for over 2 months.
Not happy BTC still not resolved after 7 months since court case.
SFA awaiting to punish for EBTs.
UEFA now to jump on Scottish football because we took SFA to court.
Player contracts expire on Friday, they can all go for a song.
This guy Green is well shady.
Whyte keeps shares until CVA agreed.
No more operating money for salaries from Thursday.
D&P to take £2m wages from Greens £8.5m for CVA.
Can only sign under 18s.
273 creditors owed money and RFFF money spent on turf!
BBC documentary laying bare for the whole world the shameful scale of it all.
Ticketus, shirts and catering contracts not ripped up yet.
This legacy will now remain with the club forever, 100 years won't erase the indelible stain.
And to top it all Mark Hately said Ally would walk away b4 next season and ally has come out today and says he won't.

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Further details are emerging which appear to show a link between ticketus and d+p. D+p will be removed and green will vanish. Could it be that it has all been set up to force hmrc into a CVa ? But is going wrong ? We are getting nearer the truth and I'm now certain it will come out soon. A new rangers in div 3 may be the only way now. No one previously connected to the club can be trusted. All ebt holders should be banned from any involvement unless they pay it back. Rangers won't play in Europe for many years.

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26 May 2012 09:52:49
According to the Telegraph:

Rangers were represented in the Court of Session by Richard Keen QC, who pointed out that the club’s squad had accepted pay cuts of between 25 and 75 per cent but that the salaries must be restored by June 1, or the players can leave for as little as a quarter of their market value.

“If this sanction is in place they cannot be replaced by players over 18 years of age,” Keen told the court. “If the additional sanction was to remain in place for all or the material part of the transfer window the prejudice on the petitioners would be utterly irretrievable."


Now it is surely a failing on Duff and Phelps that they elected to keep the high earners on the wage bill by reducing their pay and AGREEING to let them leave for reduced fees, this agreement has no bearing on the punishment handed down by the SFA, nor should it be a consideration for the Courts.

Once again it is Rangers Football Club (in Administration) trying to wriggle out of their legal and contractual obligations and thinking everyone should bend over backwards to help them.

Also, as things stand Rangers are already subject to a Transfer Embargo due to being in Administration, and this will prevent you from signing anyone for a further eight weeks, provided the paperwork is issued on Monday and the creditors agree to the CVA, else this date will get pushed further back.

However, if (when?) the Court upholds the verdict and the pressure comes from Uefa the transfer embargo will not be an issue as the SFA will terminate your membership and you will no longer play association football in Scotland, England or anywhere else!

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The court cannot force the other clubs to play rangers. the sfa is a voluntary association of clubs which in turn is a voluntary member of uefa and fifa. the rules of the memberships are clear. because of the diferent legal systems in each country, allowing members to go to their own courts would be chaotic.
even if the court rules in rangers favour it cant then rule that the other clubs continue to have rangers as a member. of all the things that have happened this is the most serious. it really does look like somebody wants to end rangers and start up a new club because this is suicide.

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26 May 2012 08:54:46
Please explain to me what D&P are doing.
1. Their costs 1million per month
2. The cost of High Court procedings 10k per day
3. They continue to contest every decision at every level.
4. They have now placed the SFA in the position of telling Rangers to drop the civil case, as FIFA and UEFA rules dictate that if the club taking civil action is not expelled then the Football Association will be expelled from ll competitions.
It is bad enough that we are being castigated for malpractice, but how can we carry the shame of being responsible for the demise of SCottish Football
Lets as supporters call time on all this madnessand take what ever happens on th chin or forever and a day be known as the club that killed football. All the titles, cups and history will mean nothing

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26 May 2012 08:32:13
Trying to find the (laymen terms) logic behind D&P launching this legal action against the SFA.
Given the SFA and UEFA articles of association,it would appear at first glance that this course of action is utter madness.
The SFA panel has the licence to use any sanctions that they deem appropriate.
The panel decided against expulsion or demotion from the SPL,citing that they thought the punishment was too harsh. So why would D&P push for something that will undoubtedly incur the wrath of UEFA,and could ultimately attract the maximum penalty previously declined by the SFA panel?
For me there are several scenarios.
Either it's a high risk game of "chicken" hoping the SFA revoke the transfer embargo. Doubtful at best.

I have noticed that Mr Green has been silent of late. It would be logical to assume that SEVCO have had considerable input into this decision. It would certainly benefit any NEWCO taking over if we were demoted,as far as Lower league,lesser players,lower wages etc. It would also attract lesser financial sanctions,regarding the 75% revenue restrictions if we were to remain in admin,or liquidate. I now think this is a stick on certainty. So have we all been conned by Mr Green's initial claims,or is his consortium falling apart,simply because of the financial implications.
Either way it's bad news.
There will be a loss in revenue to an extent by moving down the leagues,and unable to qualify for Europe.
So why would they proceed with something that appears to be so detrimental to the club?
Has Charles Green and his consortium threatened to walk away,citing the transfer ban is unfair on any new company,it's owners,and "irritrievably predjudicial to the petitioners"
Who are the "petitioners"? Is it Charles Green and SEVCO,or D&P?

Rangers would be weakened considerably,if the current experienced and better quality players were to leave for vastly reduced transfer fees under the terms of their wage deferral contracts,and so would any NEWCO.
This is either a well thought out strategy,that i'm not going to pretend or attempt to understand, or it is indeed a game of chicken. Or is it an admission by CG that his consortium is falling apart?
If SEVCO were to walk away, where does this leave D&P,or more importantly our club?
P.O.B.

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26 May 2012 07:14:04
SFA set for expulsion from Fifa unless it acts against Rangers
Posted on 25 May, 2012 by Paul67
Rangers administrators have today gone to the Court of Session in an attempt to overturn the recent disciplinary action imposed on the club by the SFA.  Paul Clark said:

“The Club started proceedings at the Court of Session today in an attempt to challenge the imposition by an SFA Judicial Panel of a player signing embargo.

“The process will continue at the court on Tuesday and it is the Club’s position that the Judicial Panel did not have the powers to impose such a sanction.

“The Club and the administrators are grateful for the support of the Rangers Fighting Fund on this matter.”

It is prohibited by Fifa for a club to take its association to the civil courts.  Fifa rules dictate that the national association must expel any club which takes this action.  In December last year the international body threatened to expel the Swiss FA from world football unless it set a deadline to expel Sion after the club took action in its local civil court.

This action can surely only be to provoke the SFA into bringing this sorry saga to an end by kicking them out of the game before Duff and Phelps are forced to padlock the doors due to their own failures.

Unfortunately, President What-school-did-you-go-to is still in residence at the SFA, so it’s unlikely that we will see any clear action from Hampden to calm supporters of other clubs or the Scotland national team.

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Too many of the 'what school did you go to' around in SFA and also too many odd handshakes.They should be cleared out now.That's been the biggest problem in the club/clubs and hopefully those days are ending.A new regime---equal status,no sectarianism---am I dreaming?

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Why did the sfa respond in court rather that just expel us from the league.do they now realise their original sanction was not in their rules and they have gone to court to justify it.maybe fifa intervention is required for the sfa to get their own house in order

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26 May 2012 05:16:20
McCoist was speaking at Dundonald’s Links Course as he helped launch the Tommy Burns Masters with other former Old Firm stars and the late ex-Celtic boss’s sons Jonathan and Michael, above.

Funds raised will go towards the Tommy Burns Skin Cancer Trust.

Well done

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I was the op on this. This is the side of the old firm that doesn't get promoted or headlined enough. Me a Tim says well done to Ally , 17 , the silent majority of decent fans agree , but one halfwit , one of your Neanderthals just had to press the disagree, it is those clowns that let you down time after time. And before anyone comes back with it could have been a tim , no , that won't wash we're TB is concerned.

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26 May 2012 04:09:29
Utterly amazed we still have Celtic fans coming on here taking the moral high ground after the bbc revelations about Celtic not declaring Juninho's ebt trust payments to the sfa/spl the exact same thing they are calling Rangers cheats for doing, does not matter if Celtic paid the tax on this ebt they still did not declare extra payments to the footballing authorities which is a breach of rules.

As for criticizing Rangers for taking legal action against the sfa they never seemed to have a problem with that when they used lawyers to get Neil lennons touchline ban cut when he was charged with misconduct a number of times in the 2010/11 season, infact the sfa spent so much money defending their case against Celtic and Lennon that they had to cut footballing youth intiatives.

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They used lawyers but worked WITHIN the SFA rules. They didn' however, like Rangers, throw the toys out of the pram and go to a legal court. Something that contravenes article 64 of FIFA rules. Bye Bye Rangers. Can I hold one of the cords on your coffin?

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State the facts properly and you wont get egg on your face...Lennon and Celtic FC used their lawyers to fight the SFA at SFA Hearings as was their right not i repeat not in court as rangers are doing
revelations were made by the media,decisions were made by Legal minded persons i.e. Judges and QC's and yet you cannot divorce yourself from it being related to Lennon or Celtic .... you did the crime now do the penance you say you are the biggest club in Scotland well prove it and be big enough to put your hands up and say "everybody cant be wrong fair doos we will take our punishment as its the right thing to do...Johnny G

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There is a huge difference between taking a lawer to represent you at an FA panel and going to the court of session. Your analogy is stupid.
Al

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Lennons case was not taken to civil courts. Its not celtic fans who have a problem with it, its UEFA and FIFA.If Celtic did not declare the payments to Juninho then they cheated in the 04/05 season, I accept that(do you accept the same about Rangers over 10 years), by the way If all the games Juninho played are declared 3-0 defeats its no big problem to celtic, he only played 14 games in the league and didn't win the title, it makes no difference.

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I am sure if Juninho hada second contract that would have come to light when Celtic paid up the tax and withdrew from the scheme. I think I am correct in saying that the EBT wsa declared as part of his wages in his contract. Also Celtic used a lawyer whilst challanging the SFA at thier tribunal not in a civil court outwith the bounds of the SFA. So it would appear that once again you are trying to bring Celtic, a well run and financially strong club down to your level. Please concentrate on the mess that is RFC.

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1* this isn't rangers taking the sfa to court it's do&f, rangers as a club don't have a say, and the only reason d&f are doing this is so they can make as much money as they can in the shortest space of time. Then they walk away with their pockets full and leave rangers he club to take the flack.

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26 May 2012 03:21:22
I am a "soft" Rangers fan. i.e. I supported them when they played Celtic, but I am coming to the conclusion the EBT's are really serious and that there are too many questions to answer from Ogilvie down.
The silence has been deafening, and for the sake of the game he has to resign. It is an admittance of guilt, after all he got 95k himself and did not quibble that he paid no tax on it. I suspect UEFA have every right to overturn matches involving Rangers and reduce Scotland's co-efficient to that of San marino.

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Cleaners end up in court for claiming benefits to buy their kids shoes when they are on the minimum wage. Courts then find they have duties to show to others that stealing from the public purse is unacceptable. Tax on £90,000 would buy a few pairs of shoes.

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Soft? I can think of other words to describe you. Why just against Celtic?

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26 May 2012 02:08:17
tell you all what i do know that is 100 per cent FACT!! 42 years as a rangers man is a long time, ma da who is gone now and his father were rangers men and god only knows what they would think about all this now. there was no money back then and i think thats why they were proud to watch the gers. money has corrupted the rangers since david murray acquired the club. im really toiling with my season ticket renewal if we get one! its touch and go right now but i know my da would have thrown in the towel by now he said it for years, rangers throwing too much money about, Flo was the end for him he gave up his ticket then saying the end is nigh. i gave him pelters for chuking in the towel but sadly he saw it even back then.its got to the sad part now for the guys who have been going to matches and following in the club any way they can,when most i speak to you can see despair and hope fading due to all the fallout. for me its all or nothing coz i know thats what true fans from the past would say
jammydodger

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