Rangers Banter Archive May 26 2013

26 May 2013 20:44:30
Pat Nevin said on telly today; Rangers were not demoted let's not kid ourselves, that's wrong, They had to start all over again from scratch.

Sorry to burst you bubble
He is factually correct. Pat Nevin is a unusuall type of ex footballer. He is well educated.

Oh dear, that will be the end of his career in the main stream media. They don't like people telling the truth about "The Rangers"

Enjoy your cup win and leave us to deal with our own problems

Honestly don't see what's wrong with Nevins assessment. It was a ridiculous; and in many ways unfair situation for us (the fans) to find ourselves in but facts are facts. Debt was steadily being reduced but not fast enough for Lloyds; in steps Whyte. Whyte then decided to bump the taxman and the whole thing began to unravel. We might not like it but we were put into liquidation and had to start again. What is it that Nevin said that's incorrect?

The man is only stating the TRUE facts, JK

Well because he's educated doesn't mean he's right there's arguments for both about rangers keeping their history etc and its not been clarified 100 per cent either way. I KNOW ONE THING you STILL LOOK AT US AS RANGERS OR U wouldn't BE ON HERE GIVIN US YOUR PISH. BEFORE YOU START about sevco have a look who pacific shelf ltd are mmm

@6-I'd like to take credit for being some kind of genius but it's not rocket science is it? If we didn't have to start again then why are we plying our trade where we are? I know a guy with a joinery business who's 'started again' 3 times. He's still driving about in the same van, he still looks the same, he's still using the same tools. Nothings changed except the fact that he hit financial difficulties, couldn't maintain his payments so in order to continue he had to accept starting again. He's a good joiner by the way; all his former customers don't pretend that it wasn't him that fitted their kitchen. In fact, they still recommend him to friends. Probably because he's accepted his lot, does a good job and is a nice guy. He doesn't feel the need to blame everyone else for his woes or look for conspiracies against him. Business has picked up and he's actually doing pretty well now. Mad idea but maybe we should just try getting on with it and fight for the future instead of wallowing in the past.

And by your statement of him fitting the previous kitchens it';s the same as previous trophies.

Well said, Baybear!

@6: do you still think that Celtic started again? How many times does it have to be explained on here - including by the eds - that they didn't. There was no liquidation, just a change of company name - the company number (the important bit) stayed the same. If you change your name by deed-poll do you become a different person?

Had a mate had ironmongery let's just say Black & Son Founded 1978. Got liquidated and had to change the sign Blacks Founded 1995. {Ed001's Note - none of this is in any way relevant. This is a football CLUB first and foremost, the business was merely started to remove liability from the club members and to allow a few to make money from the many. The club is the whole, the business is just a part of the club, a side issue, not the club itself. That is why Celtic was able to run for years before starting a limited company to look after the business aspects of the club.}

So you want no connection whatsoever with Rangers then Baybear?
How did you get tohear about the "new "club?
P. O. B.

Hi Ed, you8 probably won't post this because it disagree's with your view.
Uefa does not distinguish between the football club and the business they are treated as one entity, If the business is liquidated so is the club. So this means a new business is a new club. {Ed001's Note - except that has nothing to do with it. UEFA are just a governing body run by fools who have done nothing good for football. Their view is irrelevant, bit like yours. The only ones that matter are the fans of the club, just like those that follow AFC Wimbledon and see it as the continuation of the old Wimbledon. The company became MK Dons, the club is AFC Wimbledon.}

ED001/ Have AFC Wimbledon any honours? The FA cup was won by Wimbledon have they a claim on it? {Ed001's Note - yes it was handed over to them a few years back.}

Ed, how can you say Uefa are irrelevant? they are the governing body. You also quote the AFC Wimbledon v MK Dons argument, it is now openly agreed that none of these 2 clubs won the FA cup. So if your opinion counts for anything you have just admitted that the current version of Rangers have only ever won the Scottish 3rd division! {Ed001's Note - openly agreed by who? What are you talking about? That is simply not true. UEFA are irrelevant, they are only relevant regarding playing in their competitions, nothing more.}

@12- deary me, what are you on about now P. O. B? I don't believe I mentioned ever wanting 'no connection' or any mention of a 'new club'. The OP was about Nevin saying we had to start again which we did. Applying for a license to play in Division 3 wasn't something you imagined, it actually happened. Why did we do that if all was well? If you bothered to actually read my response I referred to my joiner mate having the same van, the same face and using the same tools. I also referred to his customers acknowledging his good work prior to having to start again. We are Rangers, we have always been Rangers and unless we disappear completely we will always be Rangers. I acknowledge all of our titles and trophies because they were won by Rangers, the team I have always followed. However, none of that changes the fact that we had to start again. If we didn't then please explain to me why we are currently d!ck1ng around in the lower reaches of the Scottish game. This is a pointless debate that will trundle on forever because some people are terrified to admit the obvious and some people are consumed with getting us to incorrectly admit that we are a completely new entity. Who actually gives a f*ck? some folk need to just grow up and move on.

Funny how AFC Wimbledon don't list the FA cup win on their honours page. I think you have been found out Ed001 {Ed001's Note - don't be so stupid. The trophy was handed over officially. Grow up. This imbecilic petty childish idiocy from bitter tools needs to stop. If they aren't the same you wouldn't be making such of an arse of yourself on here all the time.}

The point being some of us like to wallow in our achievements and our club's tradition. That's all i'm saying.
However your last post makes things a little clearer than the previous one.
P. O. B.

All for tradition and recognition of achievements but not at the expense of progress. Seriously though, what are folk so worried about? it's not like admitting we had to start again means that nothing was ever won. Just means Celtic will have an easy time of it until we get back challenging them. The whole debate is a non entity for me and quite frankly the least of my worries. I'm more concerned about where we are now and what our future holds. Pointless arguing the toss about history when it's already happened.

Baybear, with all due respect you are the only person who was irked by the Nevin quote. Which states that we were not demoted (ie just relegated. ) And to state starting AGAIN from scratch clearly implies that we are the same club relaunched under a Newco, which IS from scratch. We the Club and supporters are not a completely new entity, and WE were not liquidated, only badly wounded. it was Oldco that ended. But each to his own opinions.

ED 001 has made it very clear that you cannot liquidate a football or any other sporting club, such groups cease when the members and, or the supporters disband, there is no mechanism for liquidating a CLUB. they are in existence before they even become a corporate entity! Liquidation is designed for companies and their assets, not sporting clubs and the like.

We have a great history, and I believe our forefathers would be proud of us who want to see the best of us shine again. That is, in a modern society without bigotry, and greed. I don't want to see the death of any CLUB, but to Hell with the corporate side, it's only a necessary evil, that divides and marginalizes all supporters, and causes huge inequality in the game.

Lets get back to the beautiful game and never loose sight of it, for all Clubs and their supporters


Aye Ready, forever.

@20? Strange, I thought I made it clear that I was one of the only people NOT irked by the Nevin quote? The fact that the OP posted it suggested to me that he/she was irked by it. Looking back I suppose the OP could have been another clubs supporter trying to have a dig but I never read it like that originally. My first response was to question what the problem was with the statement. In fact, it wasn't until post 6 that someone mentioned history then the inevitable disagreements began. I think there are far to many of us who are paranoid and reading far to much into quotes of this nature.
I'm not trying to be divisive here mate but I'm really struggling to see what your debating with me? I've read over your post a few times and you seem to be agreeing with what I've already said in my previous posts? Particularly post 16. Let me clarify my opinion one more time so we can put this one to bed.
We have had to apply for a new licence to play football. We've had to begin at the bottom tier of the Scottish game, this is starting from scratch in my book. There is nothing in that statement that says we are not Rangers, just that we had to start again. Nevin even used our name in the statement. I'm sure I stated quite clearly in post 16 that there are people who are "consumed with getting us to INCORRECTLY admit that we are a completely new entity"
So with all that said, I think it's now clear I was/am not irked with Nevins quote.
I'd also like to commend you on your post, particularly the last paragraph.

Baybear of course we are the same club just like your pal is still a joiner tmwnn

26 May 2013 17:48:27
Hey guys a wee question. When will the fixtures be out for next season?

11th june

25 May 2013 20:50:06
Just a comment for the uninvited, who have a fascination with the famous Glasgow Rangers. Try to bring us down if you like, but with a couple of correct moves we will achieve our goal.
Mistakes will be made but we will get there, if we stick together.
It would appear that we are signing the right sort of player and if Ally can put a positive slant to our play then, who knows, what we can do?
Just one thing now required, let's do our business on the sport's pages and not the gossip columns. So to you media boys, stick your pencils behind your ears. [ or wherever. ]
Hopefully, the next 7-10 days will bring more positive news starting with a Hibs win, but if not, who cares the sleeping giant is awakening.
billyb

Why would a second division team view a Hibs win in the Scottish Cup as "positive news".
Are The Rangers a feeder club for Hibernian?

Why then post about hoping for a Hibs win? your comment makes u just as guilty as the people your having a go at. This is a Rangers site the cup final doesn't concern us

To 1 and 2. ] Just supporting the underdog. Ha. Ha. Believe that if you like.
billyb.

Well hibs lost, another disappointment for you right there. You can sign the whole Bayern team Ally will still f@@k it up. Thanks to all on here who bet on hibs, you kept the odds up, I've got some of your money. Don't forget to whack the money on our cl qualies opponents. The odds I got for Helsinki were a gift.

To 4. ] As I said, who cares, we'll take the positives from the result----- your manager will stay.
billyb

27 May 2013 00:56:47
a word for " john the jag ", why don't you stop the silly moniker pal and try and tell the truth, for a "jag" you do seem to have a helluva lot about our club don't you, are you in bed now thinking of us? Tb

27 May 2013 00:58:59
4 being a gambling man all my life you are talking nonsense,, nothing new there I think, what a lot of pi55 TB

27 May 2013 01:01:35
BTW 4, the odds on celtic never changed in 4 wks, so ure lying, you are trying to make people believe the one or two hundred punters who backed hibs affected the thousands who bet celtic, you probably never backed anyone, u warrior you TB

To Poster no 6 - i'm in seat W96 in the Jackie Husband Stand - and have been since it opened.
The fact I have an eclectic, indeed, catholic, interest in football seems to annoy you.
Wonder why. The truth does hurt doesn't?

3-1 on for Celtic was unreal. Should have been much less. Glasgow bookies took more on hibs than Edinburgh ones. The fact that the odds never changed is just a testament to the fact that money was going on hibs. Most bets are placed in the 3 days before the match, the Celtic odds would have come in. I understand it very well. I've never won so much on football as this year. The punters grapevine has picked up on it so we need more on our opponents, over to you guys. Also amazing odds on THE rangers opponents given that your team is absolute sh1t. Next year should be better, for us that is, doesn't matter what players you sign, the management will soon screw them up. Fact is betting against THE rangers has better potential than owning their shares. My message to you, don't change, keep supporting Ally and betting against Celtic.

To 10. ] You must have had selective betting methods when choosing your games. Just look at the number of games your team lost or drew during the season and I would doubt if you covered your ass.
Winning money is in your imagination, but what is not, is that the sleeping giant is awakening.
billyb

What does Religion have to do with Football John?

27 May 2013 17:10:54
@12: catholic with a small c is nothing to do with religion. It means all-embracing.

Thank you No. 13. Nice to see other people here speak English. I blame the schools these days.

@14 John, as you can see the moment anyone mentions the "c" word these bigots start foaming at the mouth! It's not only the school's fault, it's their families and the media's fault for pandering to these vile individuals!

26 May 2013 07:34:56
so we hemmings little mckay naismith big lee all capable as strikers why get daly in looks like more high balls lumped up front for lee or daly we only play 1 up front so surley we don't need daly boyd miller ect all the other rumours clark is the man has proved it at this level but yet this rumour has whent quite and sign another fat lazy slow striker in daly long balls again mccoist needs get grip 2 up front for starters not one off the other 2 right up front together clark and mckay get ma vote pass the ball instead of lump up field midfield don't create anuf for strikers looks like law and black in centre next season big mistake mccloed and law not black who are we going get rid off cause the wage bill is getting bigger and no exits mccoist keeps asking for players ans seems to be getting them just now reminds me of last summer signing spl players on high wages just a stunt so we get season tickets renewed well ain't working this time boardroom is a shambles and needs clearead

Great post glad to see more people voicing these very real concerns.

26 May 2013 16:06:15
I'll tell you why:

McCulloch - great servant but nearly finished.

McKay - Never kicked a ball since January

Hemmings - Never fit long enough and still has a lot to prove.

Naismith - Absolutely red rotten

Little - Great year last year but over the last 2/3 has struggled with injuries and needs some help. Now if you think we can win Div 2 with the above your mad!


Jon Daly proven in the Scottish top flight and will guarantee you goals and can also cover centre back. Some of you "FANS" are brain dead.

To answer your question, why daly, absolutely simple, better than anything we currently have at centre back and up front, not complicated is it.

Daly will be like hately and with clark beside him wel run riot little wide templeton behind strikers wel be fine