Rangers Banter Archive October 26 2016

 

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26 Oct 2016 23:50:19
I'm still backing our manager and will judge him and the team at the end of the season. He without question in my eyes has to get the full season at the very least. Having said that it'll be interesting what he does team selection wise for Saturday's game against kilmarnock. What i mean is he surely won't drop michael o'halloran who had a decent game for us tonight and was by far our best and most creative player! The guy now deserves an extended run in our team as he showed tonight what he's capable of bringing to our team. Everyone of us in the copland road stand that sit round about me thought the same regarding moh! It wouldn't overly surprise me if warbs did drop moh for saturday but he shouldn't. MOH has sat his time on the bench and now most definitely deserves his chance and tonights rangers motm performance enhances what i'm saying!



27 Oct 2016 00:19:59
The manager hasn't a clue how to turn this round and is totally out of his depth however fair play to you supercooper for believing in him.



27 Oct 2016 00:27:02
Think MOH plays another couple of games, we have to pay St J . more money, hence the reason lack of appearances.



27 Oct 2016 01:04:08
Couldn't disagree more. Warburton is a busted flush, and it is only a surprise to those who believed all the unrealistic " magic " crap, which only came about because the preceding regime was utter dross.
His team hasn't turned in a single convincing performance since last season's cup semi.
His recruitment in the summer was manifestly poor, confirmed by his selection of last season's players almost continuously. He singularly failed to address the key areas, central defence and an out and out goalscorer. He paid £1.8 million for Garner, let's be honest who had ever heard of him, whilst our rivals picked up a goal machine for £450000. Other than Niko who has shown quality at an exciting level? No- one!
Warburton is inherently stubborn. 4,3,3, two subs around an hour, ponderous possession from the back going nowhere, playing favourites who are lamentably out of form, tonight he played Hodgson, presumably as a reward for Sunday but dropped Gilks, who was our best player at Hampden, favouring Foderingham whose distribution was utterly woeful, who wasted vast amounts of time in a game we were supposedly trying to win and whose command of his area is dire!
Warburton says there is little or no gap between us and Celtic; St Johnstone away from home were better than us tonight! If he truly believes that his judgement is flawed beyond belief! He says we don't need big money buys to win the SPL, that young players with potential will do who can be sold on! Does he honestly understand the status of the club which is Glasgow RANGERS and the standards we require to be maintained?
Finally what are his skills in terms of media relations and man management? Let's just say the events of recent weeks at best raise serious questions!
We are used to marks out of ten for the playing staff; I would give Warburton a 3,and a requirement to vastly improve both performance and results by Christmas or find his services are no longer required.
We had a completely wasted season under McCoist and simply cannot afford another!



27 Oct 2016 02:57:04
We are no longer the team we were, financially or morally, we need to stop this gold spoon in mouth attitude that the world owes us anything. We are up against it and feeling the pressure, we should be enjoying the ride, celtic are lightyears ahead of us, we do not have money to compete and won't have for the foreseeable, get behind the manager and the boys, its not their fault we are running on a shoestring budget.

If you told me four years ago we would be 9 points of the top of the SPL I am sure with the uncertainty due to the cheating of the men in suits- you would of taken this, I would rather watch rangers lose on the pitch than have no club at all.

we all need to grow up and realise where we are. But on a brighter note where we are going!



27 Oct 2016 08:15:08
supercoop that's the main problem moh had a descent game, all our players are having descent games imo no one is really playing badly but nobody is playing good. no one not one player. the players will need to go out and step up and take a game with the scruff of the neck.



27 Oct 2016 10:25:49
GMacd, could not disagree with a word you have said. We all feel your frustration. Last night we missed a chance to move into second, performance and results need to improve.



27 Oct 2016 10:31:35
OK GMacd, who should be the new glasgow rangers manager, taking everything into account, especially our current financial situation? The way your talking we just rip up everything warbs has started and start from scratch again. Don't think so mate, not the way, patience and perseverance mate. At least give it until the end of the season! Fickle or what!



27 Oct 2016 11:35:16
Supercoopeer

What do u actually see Warburton building? Of the current players who do you see as being good enough to play in a team that can challenge Celtic? If you were to pick a starting 11 between the 2 teams how many Rangers players would get in it?



28 Oct 2016 01:58:05
Biffo 316.

Answer 0, but what do you expect they have had 4 years, superior scouting, superior finance better ran club with a better world wide reputation. they may not be the best fans in the world but great pr and marketing and foreign players by into this.

regularly world class players come out and say parkhead is their fav ground to play at and they would love to play their again. when has anyone said that about rangers. us fans must stop the booing and make Ibrox scotlands hot spot stadium, try reduce the bigotry and create a party atmosphere which they seem to be known for.

as i have said we must invest in youth and see where we are in the next 4 years, our only target should be stopping ten in a row, they are fast becoming the worlds most successful club no one can stop this bar us.



26 Oct 2016 23:33:17
Was at the game tonight and it just wasn't good enough from a lot of players so these are my opinions of the ratings tonight.

Foderingham-5-Needs a boot up the a*** with his kicking out, too often hesitant to play the ball up with urgency, also needs to command the defence more.

Hodson-5-Played okay for the majority of the game but slack play for the goal.

Kiernan-6-Had a decent game, still needs to assert himself in the air.

Hill-7-Looks more solid now than he did at the start of the season and looks to calm the defence down.

Wallace-6-Looked a bit more like the Wallace of old, bombed down and put a couple of good balls in.

Halliday-5-Always committed but needs to be more positive with his passing.

Holt-5-Quite a quiet game for the wee man, needs to influence the game more like last season.

Windass-6-Looks to get forward and become the playmaker but final passes could have been better.

O'Halloran-8-MOM for me, a breathe of fresh air to see a rangers winger taking on his man unlike McKay who comes inside to often. Has to start Saturday.

Garner-6-Good goal, needs to cut down on the falling all over the place though.

Forrester-7-Had a good game, needs a run of games like last season to keep confidence growing.

McKay-3-Really is playing poor at the moment and added nothing to the team.

Miller-5-Done alright when he came on.

Waghorn-3-Didn't have much time to get into the game.

Just my opinions lads, anyone agree/ disagree with anything?



27 Oct 2016 00:02:22
Insightful analysis MCFEC, but I think Wallace struggled defensively again and a lot of their threat came on his side. And Gilks is definitely better than Foderingham. I also think that the defence in general are not quality enough to start building from the back in tight situations and need to play it a bit longer, but that's an issue I have with the manager's tactics. And there are players (McKay, Waghorn, Halliday) who will not cut it at this level.



27 Oct 2016 00:25:53
MCFEC, i think your assessment of our teams performance against st. j is a very fair and accurate assessment mate. MOH i totally agree with you as he has to start against killie on saturday and WAS the motm and by far our best and most creative player. Warbs has to be fair now with michael and give him a run in the team!



27 Oct 2016 07:42:33
Kiernan barely put a foot wrong last night! He's one of the only players who I saw continually driving in to the oppositions half when Hodson/ wallace/ Hill/ Holt and Halliday were too busy passing diagonally to each other he moved it up and found a pass! Rarely got outmuscled, had several decent opportunities at corners. What more does the lad have to do?



27 Oct 2016 08:10:19
Mackay -3- added nothing to the team? It's difficult to take the rest of your points seriously if that's your genuine belief. He was only on twenty minutes and did more in that time than Holt, halliday and windass did all match.
Played a worldy to Wallace who crossed for garner who really should've scored with the head. Pinged a 30/ 40 yard crossfield ball directly onto the toe of hodson, inch perfect, which led to halliday having another shot on target. He drove us 20 yards further up the pitch by dropping deeper, picking up the ball and running with it before passing it on. He also slid in and won the ball back near the left back area, beat two men then helped pass it out from there, quickly, and start another attack. He was excellent when he came on, personally the krankjaer role is his best position and I want to see him there at the weekend.



27 Oct 2016 08:35:58
I disagree with wee-ecky. The majority of St Johnstones dangerous attacks came from down our right side, Hodson was exposed just like tav normally is. O'hal was great on the right but I'd put tav on the wing purely for the fact he can defend aswell.



26 Oct 2016 22:48:54
Barry Makay should not be in the team he can't beat a man he was our best player last year by a mile but a think he found his level and he's just a championship player what do yous think.



26 Oct 2016 23:05:08
The championship is also the managers level.



26 Oct 2016 23:18:14
He's "just a championship player"?! After less than a dozen games in the SPFL your writing the boy off. have a word with yourself pal.

Just like Mo Ross, Charlie Adam, Alan Hutton and so many other young Scottish players before him, he's getting the brunt of the supports frustration.

If this boy was a Spanish/ French youngster he'd be getting much more slack from the same section of support who are hounding Mckay for underperforming. just like ever other player this season.



27 Oct 2016 00:50:32
Mckay keeps getting slated for wanting to cut inside or back and i can accept that. What baffles me though is that he is a RIGHT winger constantly being asked to play on the left.
That is Warburtons fault who proves to be more and more clueless as the weeks go on.



26 Oct 2016 22:45:28
Hard to watch tonight. Cannot comprehend why there wasn't urgency by Wes to kick the ball up the park at by kicks etc. Sometimes you just need to kick it up and win the second ball. Good goal by garner. Positive by ohalloran but overall still not clicking. Players look timid on the ball. We put ourselves under pressure and referee was a joke,



26 Oct 2016 22:57:31
The team are dreadful with so many average players. How can anyone say we are a work in progress. Manager hasn't a clue what to do and isn't up to the job. How bad does it have to get before some people realise this?



26 Oct 2016 23:07:03
I've been saying this for weeks his record since winning the championship is atrocious that team is rank rotten his tactics are so boring to watch St Johnston were far more direct when they won possession we passed it sideways backwards every way but forward we are where we are a run of the mill team with a run of the mill manager tonigh we looked like a team who hadn't a clue how to win that game and St Johnston must feel they were unlucky to not win it time for the manager to look in the mirror the honeymoon is over.



27 Oct 2016 00:19:22
Probably slaughtered Warburton for longer than anyone else on here just glad people are starting to realise his limitations and we can hopefully get rid before it gets any worse! Nightshift tonight so gave my brother my season ticket and he said we were awful and lucky to get a point again! How can some of you honestly still think he is the man to take us forward?



26 Oct 2016 21:45:39
This would have been our chance to kick on. if we got 3 points tonight then the weekend but no same crap played 10 won 4 drew 4 lost 2 not good enough. these players should be able to beat these teams . league will be done by Xmas and hopefully we will still be able to get second some how.



26 Oct 2016 22:02:17
Aye look, sorry for my rants. I'm a little bit drunk but that was pants lads. No other way to describe it.



26 Oct 2016 21:49:31
Had the chance to go joint 2nd tonight but blew it. Just haven't got the players capable of making a decent cha length.



26 Oct 2016 21:48:08
For the many people on here wanting hodson to play instead of tav, please take heads out of arses now, hodson is woeful, tav is a far better player by a country mile!



26 Oct 2016 21:45:45
hello bears this isn't a knee jerk reaction but a feeling I've had for a while there's got to something a miss in training yet again another game where we've been highly incompetent in front of goal, typical stats that read 65% possession 18 shots on goal 8 on target 1 goal nearly every team we play have 1 or 2 chances and put it in the net i can't remember ever seeing a team so poor at finishing or such a poor end product than us you've got to wonder what we do in training all week, and to think hardie wasn't good enough to be giving a chance.



26 Oct 2016 22:10:03
another thing how many times have we giving a team a head start this season? we don't seem to learn from mistakes or improving in front of goal its going to be a long season.



26 Oct 2016 22:10:28
I'm surprised at the stats because we never looked like scoring. Devoid of any shape, tactics or ideas. Now worried about manager and season.



26 Oct 2016 22:17:57
Until mark warburton changes his tactics nothing will change, poor tonight every team knows the way we play, 442.



26 Oct 2016 22:20:43
Just back from the match and now firmly believe that it should be taxi for Warburton time. Drops Tavernier but plays Wallace. Midfield of Halliday and Holt nowhere near good or crafty enough, if the ball wasn't going sideways then it was being passed backwards. This continuous blindside to play 4,3,3 system using players who, at best, can only kick the ball with their favoured foot simply cannot work and is so predictable. St. Johnstone created more than enough chances in the second half to win the game and we were lucky to scrape one point. Like most fans I gave MW backing but if he honestly believes there is no real gap between Rangers and that lot from the eastend then he is deluded.



27 Oct 2016 00:30:08
Mcc the knife, we don't play a 4-4-2 mate!



27 Oct 2016 05:40:38
Think he meant we should change to 442 supercooper.



27 Oct 2016 06:24:58
Supercooper11 that's what I mean let's play 442 and stop this playing out from the back all the time.



26 Oct 2016 21:42:49
Rangers service announcement.

MIND THE GAP.



26 Oct 2016 22:01:37
Comedy gold.



26 Oct 2016 22:22:09
Celtic service announcement

MIND THE SOAP.



26 Oct 2016 21:31:56
I know it's disjointed but that's why you shouldn't play MOH.



26 Oct 2016 21:42:05
He was easily the man of the match, that was another team who set up to defend and counter attack!

We should be able to unlock defences like that though.



26 Oct 2016 21:50:55
Though we missed Windass when he went off as much as I like him holt Isn't doing it for me.



26 Oct 2016 21:53:22
never thought i'd see the day where i hope celtic beat aberdeen so we can hopefully finish 2nd bad times.



26 Oct 2016 23:37:10
In total agreement with rafbob, moh was by far our best and most creative player!



26 Oct 2016 21:28:05
That's our answer on needing the points, bring on McKay


Help.



26 Oct 2016 21:55:50
Absolutely unreal. McKay has been a waste of a jersey, really doesn't look capable of playing at this level and we bring him on to replace Forrester. We could have given Dodoo a run or even brought Tavernier on since we were clearly missing his ability to attack. Looks like this is our standard for the foreseeable future unless there is some investment!



26 Oct 2016 20:57:25
Are yous watching this single fish?



26 Oct 2016 21:38:54
Frustrating!



26 Oct 2016 20:41:29
MOH has been made a very positive start and some really goods runs which have won us some corners.

Very important so far in this game.



26 Oct 2016 20:19:09
looks like this could be another debacle tonight warburtons selection toniht is only an attempt to pacify the punters instead of couple of changes he goes for the lot.



26 Oct 2016 20:39:25
My God! I'm sorry but how can the guy be expected to get anything right with comments like that bill?

"this needs to be done, that needs to change! " not your comments but a common one on here.

He changes it, does it and because the other team score a goal it's just a gimmick to pacify fans?

Give it 45 more mins and then judge all the decisions.



26 Oct 2016 22:30:31
Think he overdone the changes.



26 Oct 2016 19:01:11
RANGERS: Foderingham; Hodson, Kiernan, Hill, Wallace; Halliday, Holt, Windass; O'Halloran, Garner, Forrester.

SUBS: Gilks, Tavernier, Crooks, Dodoo, Miller, Waghorn, McKay.



26 Oct 2016 19:09:00
MW has made the changes we have been shouting about, so good on him. Let's hope the team perform and give us a good result.



26 Oct 2016 22:18:39
Not everyone wanted Tav dropped and we missed him tonight. What bring McKay on when we are chasing a winner, he is a waste of a jersey. So many issues that can only be resolved with better quality players and more fight from those that we have. Leaderless on the Park and lacking tactically what the heck is happening on the training ground!



26 Oct 2016 18:57:33
Good line up tonight, O'Halloran and Forrester getting a start, wee barrie dropped to the bench, maybe the hat has started checking this site out.



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26 Oct 2016 13:14:40
I don't believe Warburton should be sacked but upto now he's only proved that he's a one trick pony with 1 set formation this whole time, needs to realise that there's other better formations better suited to our players and team, 4-3-3 obviously isn't working, need two ST upfront.



26 Oct 2016 13:39:26
yes he does need to change the formation I agree 100 percent .
our best players are midfielders and only having three on the park is not the smartest of moves.
we need these midfielders on the park chipping in with goals and setting up our strikers not sitting on the bench.

its still early in the season and the manager is just figuring it out as we all are .

this season I believe will be a good one and we will fifnish second.
hopefully the retail side of things are sorted out and we can start to bring in more quality I honestly think we are 3 or 4 quality players from being the best team in the league.
two cb's (as the ones we have are no where near an acceptable level)
a left footed winger and a striker the likes of dembelle big strong fast and clinical.
we won't get these guys in if we dontget the retail side sorted out though.



26 Oct 2016 14:10:07
theirs no correct way to play football, everybody has different preferences, we know warbs everybody does. I prefer to have 2 upfront I think all strikers play better with a a partner. but imo even if warbs was to shake up the players in this system and what they do individually would help. rather than waghorn/ miller/ mckay that he seems to favour with their coming inside pass pass pass carry on, play moh and dodoo or forrester.

Michael ohalloran is good at 1 thing beating men and getting the ball in, but it's something not 1 other player in out team does. the passing s great but when it hits our front 3 imo we need to speed up and be a lot more direct and have our forwards driving at the defence.



26 Oct 2016 16:35:07
Any formation will work if you have the quality of player to perform within it but seeing as we are playing with three up front with three isn midfield and two attacking 'wing backs' and are struggling to score goals I would suggest that i is the personnel and not the system that is at fault.

Defensively, with our current centre backs we are always likely to lose at least one goal in a game so we need to score two to win and that statistic is not often achieved.

In games against Premier league opposition so far this season our goals for ratio is abysmal. We are making plenty of chances but no one is converting them into goals and it has to be said that players that are benched week in week out should be given the opportunity ahead of non achievers.

Both McKay and Wallace have been consistently poor this season and while some might say that they are just experiencing a dip in form others will argue that, certainly in McKay's case, they are not capable at playing at this level.

We now have half a dozen relatively good games where there can be no excuse for us if we fail to take maximum points starting tonight. We need to see changes and we need the manager to show that he does not have favourites that play irrespective of the fact they contribute nothing.



26 Oct 2016 19:23:34
It's always been my problem with the manager, he can't seem to get it that you can alter formations without changing your playing philosophy. He must have started out getting the same coaching badges as I did and it's one of the first things you learn. Style and structure are not set in stone.



26 Oct 2016 13:12:26
What does MOH genuinely have to do to get game time, not even a start just even game time, he easily has the most potential in the whole team and with the way McKay is playing, MOH should start. Also Waghorn is not a winger nor is he fast enough to be a winger, bring in MOH, Garner and Dodoo for the front 3 tonight and give someone else a chance.



26 Oct 2016 13:46:31
I agree that things need to be changed and McKay has to be benched even though he has great skill and immense potential he hasn't had it this season and should be dropped as a result.
I think a 4-4-2 with garner and waggy as a striking partnership should be given three or four games to see what they can do.

miller can be a supersub to bring on at the famous 60 min mark.

but we must play more than 3 midfielders as that's why IMO we aren't clinical and don't have enough cover for the back 4.



26 Oct 2016 14:11:10
100% would play moh garner and dodoo and I would tell moh and dodoo when they get the ball either deliver or drive at the full back. I would give tav the freedom to drive forward at will and pull wallace back like a 3 defence.



26 Oct 2016 20:00:58
Well youl all see soon!



26 Oct 2016 12:41:55
everyone has been saying our defence is the problem but i don't think it is they may not be the best in the spl but are still doing the job i know we are on 9 games and some other teams are on 10 but if you look at the table as it is just now 11 goals against us when all other teams 14-20 agaist bar the 4 teams in front of us in the spl they are 7-10 against so our defence is not that bad compared to the other teams in the spl

now for the strikers they just are not finding the net ross couny and dundee have scored a few less than us but all the other teams are on the same as we are or scored 13-26

if the team is not getting the goals then we should be trying new players out up front rather than sticking with the same 3

dodoo needs a few games under his belt rather than bring him on for a while every week or 2 for 20 mins that's not good enough give him a few 90 min games to see what he can do same with moh.



26 Oct 2016 13:20:59
Agreed, considering we are an attacking team, our attackers are way below par. We have not conceded more than 1 goal all season, bar the Celtic game where rubbish hit the fan and the Aberdeen game, due to an absolute worldie free kick. So defence, whilst not great, is not in crisis yet.

We haven't scored more than 2 goals against Premiership opposition but have had more shots than just about any other team! Our conversion rate is awful. Would like to see a change up and see what Dodoo, Garner and MOH would do up front with Holt and Windass in midfield with Rossiter or Halliday sitting.



26 Oct 2016 13:56:55
see i'd have a 4-4-2 playing so that we can have the cover whilst still being an attacking team who says it has to be 4-3-3 to be attacking minded 2 strikers up front waggy garner or whichever two u prefer supported by say rossiter halliday holt and forrester all creative players but none of which shirk their responsability at defending and none of whome are scared to make a challenge unlike dodo.

I just don't like players that can't even go for a 50/ 50
and MOH is fast but that's all I've seen from him (the little I have seen) as he can't cross the road but maybe that will come in time.



26 Oct 2016 11:52:59
If we sell barton will the money be invested back it to the team?



26 Oct 2016 13:10:38
I think he would be free to a good home tbh.



26 Oct 2016 14:41:38
If there's clubs lining up for him the board won't let him leave for free, at the end of the day their business men, they'll no if he is wanted by other teams and if he is they'll try and get as much as possible for him, football is a business but to sign a player then let him leave for nothing, no wonder the clubs running at a loss, imo the whole barton things been blown outta proportion and although it looks highley unlikely i personally want him to stay, no doubt about it he's a quality player, who was still settling in, the fans are expecting too much too soon, this year let's make sure we get europe then next year we can challenge tic.



26 Oct 2016 16:17:29
At his age with his problems I can't see anyone paying anything other than his wages. And if he is not going to play i'd rather we got rid and put his wages to good use rather than being greedy over a player with no sell on value. How much do you think he is worth now out of curiosity? Based on poor form with us and seemingly being unable to stay out of the media and having a view on everything.

I can't see any way back to the first team for him now after 6 weeks or so but I wouldn't want him to just be collecting a wage for nowt. He either needs to go asap (assuming this is January) or walk away.

He should have kept his mouth shut about the incident and just apologised but he has made it difficult to come back from I think. Especially with the betting scandal on top.

He should do the decent thing and walk if that's what the club want obviously lol.



26 Oct 2016 12:23:29
even the best managers in the game change either there formation or the way they play in certain games or if things ain't working this is something warbs has going to have to do to get the best out of these players
we are to predictable and other teams no itsactly how to counter it
if warbs can not change for certain games and mix it up this is what will end up in him losing his job.



26 Oct 2016 14:00:31
exactly craig exactly lol.
naw seriously I see where u are coming from and I agree with u to an extent but we can't go around sacking managers when we have no money to pay them off and no one to replace them.
also think that it would be way too soon to do that.



26 Oct 2016 15:43:53
am not saying wee should sack him but if he does not change away from a formation that clearly doesn't suit the players he will sack himself cause teams no the way we play and deal with us got to be a plan b from him.



26 Oct 2016 08:20:19
Welcome back joey Barton.

Looking forward to his next rant about how good the Gers are now he's back and how much you missed him.

Lol.



 
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