Rangers Banter Archive September 26 2016

26 Sep 2016 20:43:25
Warburtons getting a roasting for recent failures but does anyone else think Davie Weir must shoulder a big chunk of blame?
His record as a manager was grim and our woeful defence speaks volumes in my opinion.

27 Sep 2016 13:28:15
Weir is only an assistant.

27 Sep 2016 13:59:23
the defence is terrible and weir knows what the game is like up here if he didn't already I think he should have told warbs to get real and buy in decent c/ b's.

but a lot goes down to individuals not playing as part of the team and only concentrating on themselves during the game.

26 Sep 2016 18:11:41
When on earth are we going to have everyone fit and available. No Rossiter, Windass or Crooks yesterday and for the life of me I don't understand why young Ryan Hardie was loaned out when it is clear that our current strikers struggle to score against Premiership opposition.

There are signs that we are a good team but something isn't quite right. With all available my starting XI against Partick would be (4-4-2): Foderingham; Tavernier, Crooks, Senderos, Wallace; Rossiter, Holt, Halliday, Kranjcar; Miller, Windass. Maybe Barton, if he returns, will have a new lease of life and I'd recall Hardie in January. We're not getting any luck right now and if our so-called strikers could actually score we'd be a few points better off.

I didn't expect us to win the SPL title in our first season back but I did hope we'd beat the like of Ross County and Hamilton at home!

26 Sep 2016 19:11:01
DOIGER, I respect your opinion and every bear is entitled to have their own opinion but barrie mckay would always be in my starting 11,imo he was by far our best and most creative player against the sheep, playing to his best he can tear full backs apart, he can pass tremendously well and has an immense first touch, I do admit he started the season out of touch but the signs were evident at pittodrie that he's coming back to his best, I would love to give mckay a free roving role in a more central area instead of continually playing him out wide left, he could be our messi if we give him this role imo, he would destroy teams playing as an out and out no.10 in a more central role and has everything in his locker to reach the very top in the modern game, warbs take him off the leash and let him go at players without turning back when he has the beating of his opponent practically all the time! He's got one of the biggest assets in a footballer, PACE!

26 Sep 2016 19:32:08
no danny Wilson? why are u bashing our strikers then picking Miller? lol! clueless.

26 Sep 2016 19:44:05
Barrie McKay has been shite this year if he never scored against Celtic people wouldn't be thinking he's all that.

26 Sep 2016 19:25:29
Hi Warbs15.

McKay has no end product. like messi lol. aye nae bother

pace is not the biggest asset in football. intelligence is, and it is intelligence that leads to a successful final product, were to run, when to run, when to shoot, when to pass, when to drag defenders away.

sinclair has pace. dembele has pace its their movement and decisiosn that allowed them score 18 goals between them 2.

waghorn = strength and finishing against only poor opponents (3 gaols against SPL Teams in 15 months)

Garner = aggression, decent header. that's about it.

Mckay and O'Halloran = pace and dribbling and that's it (oh yeah Mckay scored a beauty back in sept didn't he)

Miller = fin

Tav = pace dribbling finishing. but your RB shouldn't be your most reliable att threat.

Lee Wallace = some pace some dribbling, lots of grass. that's it. he ain't no leader.

26 Sep 2016 20:37:07
I thought McKay and Waghorn were our worst players on the park yesterday McKay does nothing but give the ball away and he cannot tackle for toffee in my opinion he has got loads of potential but has a long way to go before he is a brilliant player like some people on here make him out to be.

26 Sep 2016 20:40:57
Why do so many people want crooks at CB? that's not his position, we r bad enough in that area of the park without playing players there when it isn't their natural position, crooks himself has said he is not a centre back!

26 Sep 2016 20:52:10
Kaney I happen to agree about Waghorn but you've lost any argument when you say 3 goals against SPL teams in 15 months. They guy wasn't playing in the SPL last season. That's a horrific stat to attempt bring out.

26 Sep 2016 21:21:10
Kaney, if you're telling me that barrie mckay is not talented then I have to totally disagree with you, by the way I know he's still got a bit to go before becoming the finished article but trust me he will as like I posted earlier he has all the tools there to become a top player, he does create and make chances has a tremendous first touch and his passing ability is superb and has blistering pace, if you're telling me mckay doesn't posses any of these attributes then I'm telling you you don't know what you're talking about and your biased opinion is blinding you! I listened to both jamie redknapp and gary neville several months ago raving about mckay and how good he'll eventually become and like me they also think he'll also become a top player who can reach the very top in football.

26 Sep 2016 22:09:47
obviously great variance of opinion on Mckay, my thoughts are yes he has got talent but for sure i feel he shirks the 50/ 50's and for me sorry but does not merit inclusion before others.

27 Sep 2016 00:33:37
Waghorn has not and never will score in the spl as it doesn't exist.

27 Sep 2016 06:17:56
Mckay is a confidence player like most youngsters he needs to be given encouragementto go and get at full backs, told to switch flanks and pop up in different areas but most importantly be told to enjoy his football and not have 'fans' on his back if something doesn't come off! He is tricky and has bags of pace so warbs should be using this asset, i'm not one who wants a formation change but rather more freedom within the current system for our front men to mix it up a little, that's where we would see the difference in making more chances.

27 Sep 2016 08:17:24
Is it just me that actually like Hill and Wilson together, I think they have looked good in the last 3 games.

27 Sep 2016 08:24:15
it's not the strikers fault the team are creating nothing.

27 Sep 2016 09:15:18
No cee I said front men, as in the 3 fodwards and usually atleast 2 of our 3 midfielders are attack minded that gives us what I term as 5 front men who ain't doing there jobs properly! The wide guys aren't wide enough, they aren't taking people on and going to the bye line, the number 9 is everywhere except in the 9 position and the midfielders aren't in a big enough hurry to move ghe ball and themselves into the box to support him when he is there! The key to our system is pace and movement but we don't seem to execute it at all at present we are so flat and so slow it is hard to watch at times!

27 Sep 2016 11:27:15
in 15 months. waghorn has played against spl teams on approx 13 times? and has roughly a 3/ 4 goal return.

13 games is approx 1/ 3 of a season and he returns 3 goals. averaging roughly a goal every 3/ 4 games against premier league teams. might i add that in these 14 games only 3 were against teams you would call top 5 teams. so even against lower level teams he struggles

is this ratio that a main striker in a team challenging for 2nd should have?

27 Sep 2016 11:39:44
was that not the same about rhys mccabe, john fleck, lewis mcleod. same story different player. mckay looks a player when no one is near him, he's fast no doubt. but you say his passing is top drawer. how many quality crosses do you see him put into the box.

forrest can't cross the ball to save himself. but forrest is now making the right decisions and is scoring reguarly.

mckay may become decent but he is 22 this year. and he is struggling against hamilton, ross county, killie etc.

K tierney is 19 and streets ahead of mckay in terms of development. yes both play different positions only one of them is capable of getting up and downs the left hand side effectivly and only one of them is consistantly creating chances and goals and that is tierney. now there is a player who will be playing in the EPL in a few seasons.

27 Sep 2016 11:49:22
Mckay is 21 (Reaching the top) give me a break. he'll be in his mids 20s at this rate before he reaches the top of the SPL

Dembele 19, tierney 19, Roberts 19. these are players in scotland who should excell by the time there 21 and all 3 will be playing regualer in the EPL by the time there 22.

Mckay is 22 soon (2 months) . he should be knocking on the door now for europes top leagues if he is going to the top WARBS15, do you agree?

sterling, bellerin, kelechi (City CF) rashford, deli alli. these are guys who are younger than McKay that will reach the very top of the football world.

McKay sorry just can't see it. poor mans mcgeady lol.

27 Sep 2016 12:00:24
13 assists in 48 games for McKay last season against lower tier teams bar the games against us and St Johnstone and possibly hibs.

not a record of a 21yo top prospect. is it?

27 Sep 2016 15:19:01
McKay's biggest problem is maturity. Have you ever met him? He acts and talks like a wean. He needs get a grip. He isn't a young boy anymore. He's a man and needs to start acting like it, compare him to other 21/ 22 year old talents and he's miles behind. People need to stop acting like he's a 17 year old. He needs to grow a pair and hit the gym. He'd be in my bench until he improved.

27 Sep 2016 14:17:05
cee the team are not creating nothing?

what games have u been watching I've seen nothing but miss after miss after miss from our strikers .

garner's chance in the first half against the sheep was as simple a finish you can get and he misstimed/ misshit it all together and waggy had two clear chances in the second half and couldn't do much with them. that's not to mention how manytimes I wa screaming shoot at players on the 18 yard line but they decide to take an extra touch.

the chance are there midield is not one of our problem areas its c/ b's and strikers not doing their jobs .

and clint hill wouldn't wear a rangers top if I was in charge way way way too old and no pace at all.

think Wilson is coming on though.

27 Sep 2016 18:00:07
We McKay our best player last year and yous are all slating him fair enough he not been at his best but he still wants the ball he is the only player we got who actually runs with the ball ant tries to beat someone plus he can strike a ball we need to stay behind the boy no get on his back.

27 Sep 2016 18:43:48
McKay tries to beat someone? Rarely

So what about Forrester, Windass, Holt, Tav even Halliday on occasion?

When McKay faces an opponent he cuts inside or goes backwards. Couple of times a game he'll skin them. Like that beautiful piece of skill vs sheep. More of that please. I'm not slating him. But there's huge room for improvement. His recent performances are what if base my starting XI selection on hence the bench chat.

27 Sep 2016 19:06:19
Keane, might have had some sympathy for your comments if you had compared McKay to a quality winger like Cooper but you lost credibility when you talked about McGeady. He was an ok player in Scotland but totally flopped in England. Can't disagree with your comments about Dembele, he looks a quality player, but I reckon that Rangers have a quality youngster in Rossiter and Dodoo has real potential as does the young lad from Raith Rovers. The question for me is whether any of them will be given the chance to play by Warburton or whether he will go with hopeless cases like Hill.

26 Sep 2016 18:05:44
Some people asking for warbs to go are crazy. ok we got done but surely u could see we were the better team. Aberdeen have had the same spine of the team since we left our boy have had 10+ new players, yeah results haven't been what they should but it take time and we will finish 2nd can't wait to see what Aberdeen do a Ibrox?

We took the game to them on there own patch should have been 2 up at half time. Been a hectic few weeks for the player time to kick on and get behind the team.

26 Sep 2016 18:58:12
I remember time after time in the 1990s Celtic would have more possession than us and create more chances and their fans were quick to point out how good it was to see the type of football Tommy Burns had them playing.

Personally I preferred the fact that we beat them again and again. 4 times in the same season if I remember correctly.

27 Sep 2016 14:44:14
in the 90's rangers had a world class team and I can't remember them being at our level at all naz .

what I remember was a great footballing side with the best players in the country running a mock over the season and being the better team by a good distance!

I honestly don't remember celtic playing better football that rangers through the 90's no chance.

25 Sep 2016 18:00:13
Can someone make a sensible case for Warburton staying on?

Please, love to hear it.

26 Sep 2016 18:13:22
Are you going to pay him off? Good luck.

26 Sep 2016 19:03:11
Who do we get in his stead then honest?

26 Sep 2016 19:39:55
honestly rangers fans are some of the worst in the world.

27 Sep 2016 12:17:04
Cee- I'm assuming you mean the racist songs some sign and smashing up of toilets?

That's being a bad fan.

Asking for an opinion isn't.

26 Sep 2016 11:57:28
MW has to make changes to his formation and tactics. Our shambolic defending can't go on and we can't continue to give teams a one goal lead. Our 'rampaging' fullbacks have to be reigned in. We simply are not technically good enough to play that way just now. We need a flat back 4 with 2 holding mids in front. Make us hard to score against first and foremost. For me that meand Tav needs to be dropped for Hodson. For everything Tav may offer going forward he negates with his lacklustre and lazy defending. Hodson looks solid and sturdy and deserves a chance to show that he can help shore up a troubled defence. Have 3 attacking mids in front of the defensive 2 with one striker. Might not be attractive football for a time but I'd much rather win ugly than lose with 60% possession doing feck all.

26 Sep 2016 12:47:24
youve got to be off your nut? Tav been best player this season and has contantly showed to be a rock at the back.

26 Sep 2016 15:03:26
Tav a rock at the back? Think you've been smoking a rock mate. He can't defend for sh! t. Yes he can be effective going forward but that's not what we need from our defenders just now. He is always out of position because of his attacking play and then he just jogs back down the park. This is putting more pressure on our centre halfs as they don't have the pace to make up the ground when he's not where he should be.

{Ed039's Note - I agree with the point about him not getting back into position quick enough, however when he has been up against it in the right back position I don't think he has disgraced himself and has done well, he was one I was really worried about but he has been one of our better performers)

26 Sep 2016 15:19:27
Wallace won us the penalty remember I think mckay has only played in bursts this season n needs dropped.

26 Sep 2016 15:58:48
Yeah Tav was a great rock during that first goal yesterday.

26 Sep 2016 16:02:45
Tag has been a rock at the back? What games have you been watching he can't defend good going forward at fault for first goal on Sunday he simply can not defend.

26 Sep 2016 16:18:05
Its funny to think the pelters Sir Walter took for his "cautious approach"now fans are on screaming abt playing flat back 4 with 2 sitting midfielders.

26 Sep 2016 16:26:03
Tav was up front most of the game against Aberdeen leading to Wilson getting booked because he had to give away a free kick while covering for tav. He has to put his defence duties first we are leaking goals and the majority of games is coming from his side of the field.

26 Sep 2016 17:10:57
Well Ed that's why I said out fullbacks need to be reigned in. If Tav can consentrate on his defending and being a solid right back first and foremost then fine. But if he continues to aspire to be Cafu then I think at the min Hodson should be given a few games.

26 Sep 2016 17:11:56
If not a 4-4-2 I like the sound of 4-1-3-2, but anyways I truly believe that we need a left winger Mckay bein right footed has to turn in all the time, he's taken the role on and doing it to the best of his ability but every opposing player knows that he will turn! Don't care if its a loan but we need somebody with a left foot. Warbs should at least either giv Mckay a crack on the right wing and put O'halloran or Forrester out left I thought Warbs may have switched things for say 10 mins during a game. Also the lads need to start havin a go from outside the box and getting them on TARGET! Question Bears was the lad Winks a lefty?

26 Sep 2016 17:46:33
To be fair Bluedie, Walter had a much more talented squad at his disposal than MW. I'd love for us to play expressive attacking football every week but if we don't have the players for it to work consistantly then changes have to be made at tbe appropriate time and for the appropriate opponant. you can't keep saying 'plan b is doing plan a better'.

26 Sep 2016 18:02:27
Why did he change the team from the one that beat QotS? Why does he persist with Wallace as captain when he has no leadership qualities, why did he bring in the less than useless Hill or Senderos or Barton?

Why did he not just settle for a quality centre back with leadership qualities and a Striker that knows where the net is. What is the injury that is keeping Rossiter out of the team, why was Crooks not on the bench against Aberdeen, why is Windass consistently injured. We have signed a lot of players that are either not fit for purpose or just not fit!

27 Sep 2016 03:27:23
TOMUSA

because he has no money and trying to attract quality players to Scotland isn't easy.

26 Sep 2016 09:22:11
Time for some calm in these parts! Another poor result and performance but there is no need to panic! Yes it's bad atm but the positive is we can't get much worse! Realistically, Aberdeen were very poor too and if we'd got out of first gear the game would have been won by half time! Those who suggest we'll be lucky to be top six are scaremongers, struggling or not we have far better footballers than all but Celtic and this will be evident come the end of the season!

26 Sep 2016 10:10:03
a would love to see second gear, think the clutch has only slightly moved against championship sides. when did we see us moving out of first gear?

26 Sep 2016 12:01:07
RFCInfinity - your correct, calm would be nice - however performances and results since april have been at times shocking. My worry is that we do not seem to have another gear to move onto. His summer signings are either woeful Barton Hill Krankjar or can't even get on the park dodoo, rossiter, windas occasionally, crooks - Plan A to Z isn't working and to be honest MW has had enough time to be able to produce some results. This maybe the worst start to a season in the top league I can ever remember?
so yes stay calm -- but my oh my we need something quick.

26 Sep 2016 12:04:37
Have to agree. Lots of fans have done well and put this result into perspective and been sensible about it. There has only been a few outsiders calling for his head.

Have to agree with what most are saying, having watched all the games we've played this season, the only game we were well beaten was at Celtic park.

Our first season back in the top flight, results haven't been what we might have liked but performances (although only in parts) have been decent in most games.

We outplayed Aberdeen in the first half at their own stadium and they were the best of the rest last season. Performances haven't been consultant but neither has the staring eleven the manager has been able to put out. Most agreed with the team selection yesterday and at times we've missed players who could have an impact.

Looking forward to Patrick Thistle at the weekend and our passionate crowd getting right behind their team.

26 Sep 2016 12:17:59
It wasn't a bad performance though?

26 Sep 2016 12:20:13
Thought we played well tbh. Very unlucky not to at least draw. Think the team will come good.

Trust the management.

26 Sep 2016 12:28:55
Game wur u watchn RFCinfinity? We played very well and just simply couldn't finish n didn't hav very many clear cut chances, anyway the games over, onto the next game now.

26 Sep 2016 16:24:12
Theres only so many times can say"but we played well". the truth is we lack a real cutting edge, the balance of the teams all over the place and there's a real lack of steel thru the spine of the team. lost count how many times waghorn was back on the halfway line trying world cup balls, Garner just looks like he's more interested in trying to get under everyones skin.

26 Sep 2016 17:12:55
Thorn, why are the people calling for Warburton to be sacked "outsiders" to you? What makes u think u are any more a fan than any of us?

26 Sep 2016 18:08:09
we will play well again against Thistle and probably end up drawing or losing due to a defensive error. The reason is not down to Warburton, it is down to the quality of players that we have at our disposal.

This should have been recognised in the summer and steps should have been taken by King to secure a commanding centre half and a quality striker with the centre back being a leader.

Instead we ended up bringing in Senderos and Hill, neither of who were first or second choice for Warburton, and personally I do not believe that he would have wanted Barton or for that matter Kranjcar.

It will be unfortunate if Warburton ends up carrying the can for the failings of King, the man with the big mouth and the empty wallet!

26 Sep 2016 08:58:00
You could argue that a Waghorn sitter from 4 yards and a dodgy refereeing decision made all the difference and be right. I thought Warburton's first game in charge was his best and we peaked at the 6-2 over Hibs. Aside from the semi final we haven't really played a decent game in 2016. We've lost every big away game, 2x Falkirk, 2x Hibs, Celtic and Aberdeen since Warburton's arrival, big pressure matches where we simply fail.

It's clear that players are letting the manager down, not through lack of effort, just class when it's needed, we have four players on the periphery or sidelined with sick notes and don't know how good they are or how injury prone and maybe they can make a difference. The thing is it doesn't matter what plan A to Z we use if our strikers can't put the ball in the back of the net when chances come their way.

26 Sep 2016 09:37:56
Waghorn is getting into the habit of missing one or two sitters every week. He lacks composure and has no right foot. Time will tell, but the fact he has yet to score a league goal but scores freely against lesser opposition is a worry. He had 2 glaring misses against QoS, one against Celtic and one again yesterday, not good enough.

26 Sep 2016 11:01:48
My read of the game s that we were back almost to the good days with most players improved over previous games - EXCEPT when it came to shooting. We had 60% of the came and controlled Aberdeen for most of the game. Passing was quite good and more direct but they seem to be too excited when shooting and ballooning was the name of the game. Two other points are that Wallace should not have started and Fotheringham took far to many long kicks ALL of which started a counterattack from Aberdeen. I thought we are getting there and to criticise Warbs etc is way out of order. As someone else points out a foul that never was and several attempts blocked by the defence packing their penalty area made a world of difference on the day. Nothing more .

26 Sep 2016 16:28:09
Salen doesn't matter if it was a foul or not, the ref makes a decision. From then on it was poor defending.

26 Sep 2016 17:29:46
He did score against Hamilton in the league.

26 Sep 2016 07:54:39
As we know, everyone has their opinions, this is mine, This is probably the worst Rangers team i've seen in the Premier league, we're supposed to have a better squad than last year and were expected to do reasonably well but we have been woeful, Warburton NEEDS a plan b, c, d whatever it takes.

Our strikers have no penetration and Garner is the biggest waste of money, we were the better team yesterday again but if we can't beat poor teams like the sheep, then we are going to struggle all season.

I have now given up on this season, as i feel we will be lucky to make it into the top 6, every team knows how to play against us and are exploiting our weaknesses. There's no point in getting rid of Warburton and Weir at xmas, a new manager won't have enough time to turn things around.

Warburton and Weir should go at the end of the season but whoever comes in, has a major re-building job of the squad but they also need major investment.

26 Sep 2016 08:53:43
Warburton and weir should go. We will be lucky to Finnish in top 6. Come on let's get a grip hear yes it's been a poor start but to say the magement team must go is a farce. We have a good squad of players that will Finnish second in the league comfortably which as rangers I know second is no good but let's build on it for next season. I know Barton and niko haven't been great but look at the positive signings warbs has brung in. Tav waggy windass holt let's build a team around them. And finally let's back our team and get back into Europe next year and hopefully win a cup🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧.

26 Sep 2016 08:54:46
Garner has been there for four weeks and we have made significant improvements. Poor teams like the sheep when they are favourites for third? What is the point in this post you clearly have unrealistic expectations that aren't the fault of anyone but yourself. We will finish second and upgrade our squad next year when we have European football, if people like yourself would listen to the board and management team you would realise this.

We can't compete with the finances of Celtic but you can't pretend we have looked awful when the last three games we played we dominated in comparison to the opening part of the season. When you tell yourself you are going to win the league at the start of the season with no real deductive reasoning your setting yourself up for a fall. We have made real progress and over the last few weeks, we have started to click and you are still complaining because we didn't take three points from the second hardest ground in the league.

Please do tell me how Aberdeen were the better side and therefore justifying your "We won't finish top 6" nonsense. We were the better side in all our games but Celtic. People like yourself don't actually put enough thought into what you want to say before you post and the rest of the posts are from the other side.

26 Sep 2016 09:28:04
Roos w. What are you talking about! It was the board and management who said we would challenge! These are the people who gave Rangers fans false expectations! As for the team is starting to click honestly mate what games are you watching? We've conceded first in majority of games and when we did take a lead against Dundee the had us under pressure for the remainder of the match! Surely you can't think this is good enough! Stop making excuses for extremely poor performances!

26 Sep 2016 09:30:10
Mate you're having a go at Garner? Throws himself head first at a brick wall to win the ball, cleared the ball everytime it came in our penalty area, demanded our CB's came forward for set-pieces (which he shouldn't have to do) and shows some nice touches! I'd rather watch 10 of him than the other crap we had on show yesterday!

26 Sep 2016 09:39:36
Laudo11 and RossW1995 you 2 are so deluded it's unreal, firstly, i said EVERYONE has an opinion, significant improvements, started to click, yeah right, having possession is all very well but it's all about scoring goals, that's a fact, who said Aberdeen were the better side? we were better but we still couldn't beat them, we were better than Hamilton, Killie, Ross county, we still couldn't beat them. You mention the signings we've made, they're not good enough for the premier league, there's not enough fight and we don't have an end product. You both seem so certain we will finish 2nd, where's the proof of this? As i said, we ALL have our opinions, just because you don't agree with mine, doesn't mean you're right and i'm wrong.

26 Sep 2016 10:38:10
Ross W,
First I think you saying other posters don't put enough thought into what they're posting is both unfair and insulting when what you mean is they don't agree with you which you seem to find hard to accept.

Second I'm worried about us at present. We have the second biggest budget in the league and 2nd should be a reasonable expectation. I never thought we had any real chance of winning it this year. We have the form of a bottom 6 side at the moment which is why we are where we are.

We are losing at least one bad goal nearly every game and failing to convert enough of the chances we do create-2 of the fundamentals of the game. Stuz is right we have played better than those 4 teams and we were unlucky yesterday but we didn't beat any of them.

Our next 3 league games are against other current bottom 6 sides (Thistle, Inverness and Kilmarnock) if your optimism about our progress is well founded we should win the two at Ibrox and even though Celtic couldn't do it if we are to finish 2nd we really need to win at Inverness as well. If we do that then I will begin to share that optimism but as I say I'm worried. Just like winning can be a habit so can not winning.

26 Sep 2016 10:58:55
Stuz your right every1 has there opinion I just don't agree with rubbish that we would be lucky to be in top 6 and for the manager to go. Can't you remember wit life was like b4 warbs came in.

26 Sep 2016 12:30:08
stuz you probably haven't watched all the games. We were a better team in the county game than the kilmarnock game and so on fairly linear progression its not difficult to understand. We wouldn't have turned up at Aberdeen 3 weeks ago. I have said why we will finish second because we are the second best team in the league again fairly simplistic.

Why do I think we are the second best team? Because we have only been second to Celtic. Your hysteria is amusing to read but let's not pretend its not complete exaggeration. Not hit a good patch of form yet true but we aren't playing bad anymore.

In the first few weeks of the season, for me down to the cup preseason, we were dreadful and now we are starting to look and play like Rangers. What I'll do is I'll send MW a letter asking him to personally apologise to you for the team not clicking quickly enough for your liking and them not living up to the perfect picture you have in your head.

26 Sep 2016 12:45:58
and to me stuz, not having my opinion means your wrong.

26 Sep 2016 13:01:44
Get your point lauds so does that mean we should never want to improve because we were crap under mccoist?

26 Sep 2016 13:13:00
Laudo11, i know how bad we were but for a "premiership team" we're just as bad, i look at every game thinking we'll concede at least 1 but i don't feel confident about us scoring in every game and don't tell me i'm talking rubbish about finishing in the bottom 6, i haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise, have you? it's not just about possession, as i said before, it's about scoring goals, right now our goal difference is -3, that should tell you everything.

26 Sep 2016 13:14:45
Ross W, what is that makes you think your opinion matters more than other fans on here? Is it because you always write a big story about how were improving, getting better every week well maybe some of us other fans don't agree, I mean come on your the guy who swears we have a solid defence how keirnan will come good Danny Wilson is top class etc etc when every bit of evidence were seeing on the park says otherwise.

Here's my story, defence was crap Las season this season crap again our signings have been crap our style of football crap unless u like our defenders playing passy n our results have been crap! Let's hear you case for warbs to stay?

26 Sep 2016 13:59:23
laudo11 summed me up. My opinion is that not everyone's opinion is equal, a complete misconception. By your logic you need to respect my opinion because you value them all equally whereas I don't have to respect yours because those aren't my beliefs, if you feel so strongly that everyone's opinion is equal then you'd need to compromise for me not the other way about. I can't see why you are getting upset for being told straight that we won't finish below top 6.

Complete nonsense and you know it and that's why you won't get the time of day from me, people who are negative to a hyperbolic level don't actually offer anything. I'm not here to be anyone's friend I'm here to provoke interesting conversations and discussions to keep the life of this page going. It's been 80% the other half these days.

Liverpool Ger when I say that I'm not applying it to yourself or anyone specifically, I generally enjoy what you post but you'll know and understand that some people just don't have the same intellect and just don't form good arguments and being self-righteous I can't help but call them out for it.

You know I like to be positive when it comes to Rangers and that's why I haven't been posting a lot lately but to say "we will be lucky to make top 6" is just complete dross that I don't have time for.

26 Sep 2016 14:48:05
Thinking you are better and thinking you are right are different. I'm not a pretender I'm always honest with everyone on how I feel people just take it personally. In this case I can't see how we don't finish top two and the OP said we would be lucky for a top six finish, doesn't mean I don't value your opinion bigblue ayr, you aren't making exaggerated negative comments that just aren't true. For example if a celtic fan posts, I can't value there opinion either and its not personal to them. If a read a post and I feel that they haven't took a lot of factors into account with there opinion I'll try and show the other side. The whole point of the site is to provoke discussion and I enjoy reading what a lot of people have to say here and its why I post and read fairly consistently. There will be a wide variety of different characters and people on here with different views and level's of intelligence and I take it personally when people are overly negative about my club and its born out of passion.

26 Sep 2016 15:24:42
LMAO RossW1995, i've already said we were better than other teams but we can't beat them, does that mean we should be 2nd? and just because YOU think we're the 2nd best team doesn't mean we'll finish 2nd, if that was the case, why not say we're the best team and then we would finish 1st, that way we could all sit back and say, don't worry, RossW said we're the best team in the league so we'll win it, you really don't have a clue do you? your opinion now doesn't mean anything to me, you seem to think what you say is right and everyone should listen to it, don't think so, anyone is entitled to it and your post also said a lot about you, when you said you're not here to make friends and to "provoke" interesting conversations, we ALL have an opinion, whether you like it or not. Like a lot of other fans, i paid good money for a season ticket and if i feel i'm not getting good value, then i'll say so but what i don't need, is somebody like you trying to shoot down my comments.

26 Sep 2016 16:07:43
Stuz

If you want rid of the management team why wait till the end of the season? Your much better trying to get a new manager in place by the January transfer window so they can start to build their own team.

26 Sep 2016 17:30:10
Ross

You are delusional if you think this team is improving. I don't know how much clearer it needs to be? Aberdeen were awful yesterday but we still couldn't draw with them. How can you say we are improving when their keeper had nothing to do? All we did was play in front of them without any penetration. This has been a common theme throughout the season. We can't break down teams like Kilmarnock and Hamilton.

26 Sep 2016 05:51:56
After reflecting on yesterday's result Tav was caught sleeping for first goal, but has been one of the best players this season, Warbs can't control wagging missing from 4 yards. Given we need a plan B and C. No keeper in the world would have stopped that free kick, big Wes was close. Big Clint done well. Ppl calling for MW to go. remember the football served up before he came in? I feel he is a man of dignity and will walk before Xmas if he is unable to turn thing's around. kerp the faith bears, we've been through worse.

26 Sep 2016 07:47:20
I think warbs has to change the system now, we aren't creating enough, the players just aren't good enough. maybe with a fully fit squad who had been playing for a bit longer it would be working but right now it's not.

26 Sep 2016 07:49:06
I wish you would say remember our football before he came.


We gave a history of more than 4 years and some of us have a longer memory!

26 Sep 2016 20:09:38
Bears we're crying out for about attacking left winger! Give Mckay a chance on the right.

25 Sep 2016 23:52:50
The sportscene coverage of the game today is dreadful. Never once showed ANY of Shinnies fouls, the man made 5 maybe 6 fouls today and never got sent off that is a major talking point. Also another major point I believe needs talking about are referees. Referees in general in scotland are of a very poor level, why is nothing being done about this? I don't know how many times I see teams getting freekicks, penalties or players sent off and also the complete opposite when it's the wrong decision.

26 Sep 2016 00:32:25
Something else that needs spoken about is our lack of penetration we are poor the manager goes on about possession utter nonsense you can have 100% possession it would finish 0-0 you have to put the ball in the net that gets points forget refs or sportscene we are the problem we are seventh in league have only won two games negative goal difference the system doesn't work it's boring to watch goals entertain sorry but the manager needs to look at himself it's not working.

26 Sep 2016 01:57:04
That's all good thinkaboutit, however my post is to do with refs and their lack of ability. If you go to a league 2 game in England I'm honestly happy to state they have better refs than us.

If you want to talk about the performance we can. Good performance, should 100% practice finishing. However a draw would have been a good result against Aberdeen even if we did deserve the win. To lose though, in the way we did was infuriating.

26 Sep 2016 07:41:54
Only show u forget to mention forester should have had 2 reds this season stop deflecting attention from how poor we've been, the buck stops with the managers system.

26 Sep 2016 07:48:10
forget about shinnie how many fouls did that O'connor make? honestly couldn't believe it referee was howling.

26 Sep 2016 07:58:53
The telling tale is 7 goals in 6 league games. I think I'm open to the idea of conceding because of our concentration of attacking, would prefer we didn't but in times like this the telling factor is our inability to score. We never penetrate with balls over the top of the back line we're facing, we seem to have no idea what to do in the final 3rd apart from give the ball out wide when we have 1 target in the box.

To just blame the referees is pish. It's a 90 minute game and to rue a decision as being material enough to cost us anything is a joke.

26 Sep 2016 08:29:45
Bigblue, so refs aren't good enough then? Did you actually read my post? Or did you see the Shinnie bit and decide to reply there and then?