Rangers Banter Archive April 27 2012

27 Apr 2012 23:22:40
saw ally on stv news earlier stating a bid was in,but duff n phelps never told him who put in the bid,perhaps ally could tell us why he never demanded the names of who put in the bid...a wee bit bit of clarity for the fans would have been nice.

Retorting with a snide comment ,regarding ally is a rather redundant mute point since we all know whom the bidders are.

No1...considering ally knew the names of the 3 man panel do you not think his point was a rather redundant mute point also?nobody was threatened when i made this comment,can your manager honestly say the same thing about his?

So ally knew these tims are all mystic megs

@ no.2 but as I supporter of the club , I'd did not know who was imposing this sanctions on the club , as a right of impartiality do you not think to remove all secrecy and talk of conspiracy, that it would have been better that the panel members were open right from the start?
Remove any shroud of secrecy , therefore take away this cloak and dagger nonsense that just breeds all this nonsense, Like these numpties that have no place in this so called modern society, would it be better if say X,Y,Z, are on the panel here's our findings no either accept them or appeal,as iv stated in previous posts even in a court of law you know the name of the judge who's passing his/her verdict on you.

You chaps are pure amazing so you are, everything is a strait line. the SFA say the gers had a man at the hearing, so Ally must of known the names of the panel so asking for the names was a slekit, dangerous attempt to incite violence, throw the book at him and the rest of their manky support, it's what they're like, who they are, pure disgusting, our guy is controversial sometimes but he's just being passionate, he's no that bad, god I love celtic, we're brilliant.

Eh no.

You do realize that is what you and sadly, a great many commentators on here sound like right?

The point is we don't know if the three man panel were even at the hearing (it was just the pronouncement of their findings not the hearing itself), given that they are supposed to be anonymous I find it unlikely that they'd be sat up in front of everybody, wearing a big smile and waving to everyone. Also given anonymity, even if they were there (unlikely), do you think their names would just be handed out? maybe, I really don't know, but you lot seem certain and desperate to put a negative spin on anything rangers. Personally, i think there is enough real crap to be going on with without looking to add in some made up stuff.

Ally is an honorable man, he was clearly angry about the decision but there is no way he would come out and deliberately attempt to incite violence, anyone who thinks he's that guy is deluded and just looking for an excuse to hate. Look at the interview, his reaction was an honest one, emotional isn't usually his style and for my money, there is no way he knew the names of the panel before making that statement. duccablue

Can you speak up? Too many 'mute' points on this thread.

27 Apr 2012 22:53:20
As a Rangers fan since 1969 it's sad to see the Club in this sorry state. I'm sick of all the false bids from so-called saviours. Liquidation is inevitable & it'll wipe the slate clean. Let's work our way back into the SPL with dignity. In 3 or 4 seasons we'll be beating Celtic and reminding them there's only ONE team in Glasgow!

All be it a newco

27 Apr 2012 21:47:45
Why should Scottish football care about Rangers and Celtic, as they both have done there best to leave Scotland for the past 10 years. Now when rangers need a friend they say Scottish football will die without them. They were happy to let it die in this case when they had money and power so i say kick them out not the 3rd division but gone completely and if Celtic wish to stay they accept change. Scottish football will die NO IT wont it may be smaller and less attractive but it will always be there and free of the brothers bigot.

Dont be daft mate, the spl will die without the old firm...jsm

Too true, you are right. But show me a scottish national team that achieved something, show me a scottish national team that achieved something with the Old Firm there, supporting it, backing it up. In Scotand the Old Firm take players and develop them with regular euro experience, achievement and hand them over to Scotland national squads.
You are just so short sighted u must be from the east coast.

Typical west coast ignorance from 2.)

You would have to get rid of hearts as well then.

2) Heres an idea Scottish clubs develop young talent, sell for a profit to England where players develop and enter the Scottish team. oh this is what is happening anyway, no need for the old firm

27 Apr 2012 21:35:09
Ref: Font of all knowledge, what was
the score New Years Day 1943?...

Here is one for you bears...
What was the score on
25 May 1967?....

Wee clue... Your club are going bust
trying to emulate it... LOL Timalloy

If our club goes bust yous clubs as flat as a pancake , let it sink in chief

These things u harp on about might be achieved at some point in the distant future one never knows . but one thing is for sure there will never be another football club in the world that will be first to 50.even if we do go tits up it will still be there in the history books

Main Poster - have u just qualified for your ECDL? well done if you have. Must say it doesn't look like it.

I supported your stinkin club that day pal so take yir wee nasty comment elsewhere...deecee

FFS TIM
are you still wearing flower power shirts and sandals as an homage to that night 45 YEARS ago?
Ps - bit like the cup winners cup, the European cup( as was) doesn't even exist any more

Get a life man

bill72

27 Apr 2012 21:30:56
pretty simples to me really....pay off ticketus.....whytees gone.....revenue for the next 4 years in ticket sales is prime......i feel they know the result of tbtc so thats not a proby...thinkin were movin in the right direction for once....deecee

Sorry dee cee dont think it will be so simple.

Yes, oblivion.

27 Apr 2012 21:23:34
Ed if blue knights and Brian Kennedy offer is successful and they gain control of club could they not just honour the initial agreement for the season tickets hence keeping them happy and wiping £27 million from the cva pot?

jacko {Ed001's Note - they could, if they choose to, yes.}

But with a deal struck for future season tickets, at a conservative amount of 40000 a year, could Rangers actually guarantee that if they were to go to Division 3? There would be an effective shortfall from the subscriptions so that would mean the club would have to plug the hole.

To 1. if they bought the club we wouldnt be in the 3rd division, still in SPL and they couldnt do anything about it. no relegation unless we played that bad but that wont ever happen

27 Apr 2012 21:15:59
Good news lads , thimmys are wetting themselves about Sunday, no posts saying we are getting humped etc ,every time my phone beeps I think , oh aye here we go, but no,even my daftest mates are keeping well shtoom, we will ruin their whole season when we t-b@ g them on Sunday!
Keep it clean an keep it safe !
PaulRFC

To be honest i dont really care about the result.Just going for the fun...........green jhedi

At least be honest gj....banter between fans is fine....but c'mon u dont care about the result? Aye right!

You will ruin our whole season?

Winning the league and watching you crumble is what seasons are made of. Reguardless of the result on Sunday.

Joeshmo1888

Ruin our season ,my champions supporting bahookie. are you for real ? or have you been asleep for a year. mental fans jailed, club bust, no trophies, boycotting everything in sight, marchiing on hampden (so funny that one) ,oblivion beckons and rangers can ruin our season ? it's party time mate and this time your invited.

@1 ha ha ah ha ha defeatest.

@2; What i mean is i dont really enjoy the games that much(unless we win after!) all a bit nervy,so i can go for a drink without worrying about throwing up! This is just for noise up rights,and thats cool.......green jhedi

27 Apr 2012 20:40:56
rangers will be not as strong next season im just really glad that lemon is still septic manager cus he will weaken there team even more with his great eye for a sh*t player

You are obviously just looking for any excuse to have a pop at Lennon with that stupid post.name them,these sh*t players.......green jhedi

HAHA !!

kayal,izzy,hooper,stokes,mathews,ledley just too name a few are all s**te ?

kayl just over a million
izzy less than a million
stokes over a million
hooper 2.4 million
mathews free
ledley free
mulgrew free

just drink that pint of bitter mate enjoy div 3 heard albion rovers hold about 2,000 a game

lenny

Juan Ortiz , Matt McKay , Alejandro Bedoya and Mervan Celik , great signings by Sally who seems to have an eye for a diddy .

Your squad consists of over thirty players its easy to name 7 not so sh*t ones,so your saying the other 28 or so are sh*t green jobi

Rangers players named dont even add up to ledleys wages a year

11 v 11 rangers are better,celtic squad is better which has won them the league

@Lenny;Dont forget big Vic 900k.........green jhedi

Ledley might have been a free but he's on 25k a week plus a huge signing on fee, is it really a free then?

@1 same old boring p!sh.

@4;and lenny signed them all did he? try and read the posts before making an ar*e of youself.........green jhedi

@5; course they dont.you havent paid for them yet!..........green jhedi

@ 3 change the record "poor oppressed minority bs" you come on here crying about moving on try doing it.BLUNTRU72 LLRFC

@8; And you would know this how?.........green jhedi

27 Apr 2012 20:01:47
Ed could u clarify please?
If ticketus go after whyte could this not end a very dodgy ground for ticketus?,
Aslong as whyte has shares no amount of offer can get rid without his say so?
Ticketus surely would be better going on whytes team as that where aces are,
If ticketus took legal action could drag and then they find over thirty million down,
Again go with whyte better the devil you know {Ed022's Note - I fortunately have knowledge of the PLC system etc, so I can help you out with that. Although Whyte holds the primary dominance of the shares, it would still be possible to override those shares if all existing shareholders came together and were unanimous about it. It would cause complete dissarray within the setup and every single one of Whytes decisions as Primary Shareholder would be scrutinised etc. Figuratively speaking, perhaps a possibility would be for Whyte to sell off his shares (but not entirely if he were that persistent) and gain revenue for the club, but then he'd potentially forfeit his ownership. Ticketus are the powerhouses of this deal at the moment, as everything must be to their agreement, otherwise it'll all collapse.}

27 Apr 2012 20:11:19
Font of all knowledge on The Rangers step forward green jhedi.

What was the score between rangers v's celtic new years day 1943?

8-1 gers,gillick 3,waddell 2,young 2,and duncason

We gubbed the 'Tic 8-1.

And your point being? how many rangers players were working in protected jobs in the shipyards,munitions etc?........green jhedi

How about 19 October 1957.....
Oh Hampden in the Sun
Celtic 7 (SEVEN) Rangers 1
Hail hail Timalloy

@3 always an excuse, have you thought of Sundays yet!

3....Surely you know, all-knowing repository of Bhoy urban legend?....there is a full list of all Rangers players who served available on numerous websites....and reserved occupations were non-denominational, my great uncle was a rabid Bhoy RC boilermaker , who was not allowed to join up..many of his family were in similar trades...quote your Walter Mittty Al-Bhoyzeera stuff on your own site, but don't come on here spouting keech.

Thats a low shot coming from a Celtic supporter. The list of Rangers serving on active service during ww2 is lengthy . However we have to embrace your obvious support for Her Majestys armed forces by inviting a delegation to parade at your stadium in the near future, ask Mr Lawell when you are about it , what sporting integrity means, now he runs Scottish football , i think we have seen his version most recently .

Highland Bear

@Timalloy;Dont forget the record score for a CUP FINAL! not some game in a league suspended for the war..........green jhedi

Wartime matches count for zilch. too many people in the army. stanley mathews played for morton during the war. bill shankly played for partick thistle. players played for the nearest team to their station or not at all if abroad. loads never played again. with that in mind, nobody took the results seriously and it's dishonourable of you to try and do it. very ignorant post.

@6; I think you might find non denominational meant nothing in the yards mate.the old "what school did you go to days" were very much in force...........green jhedi

@7;Lawell,nice change from Lenny! stop reading that idiot leggo,he thought Whyte was wonderfull remember.I would not bother in the slightest if soldiers came to Parkhead,i respect every one of them.Lions led by donkeys like every war.........green jhedi

27 Apr 2012 19:35:04
administrators say significant differences between 2 bids on the table
administrators think the Miller bid is financially worth more than the Knights bid. Tweeted on #BBCSport

27 Apr 2012 19:23:11
Yo paddy I agree with that if we lose the case nd they have to remove the ban as it aint good 4 any1 except celcrap but its whyte who should be punished even more.

27 Apr 2012 19:12:47
The yanks back in ssn

27 Apr 2012 18:35:51
Ticketus and Whyte team up to sell Rangers.

More screwing ahead garlar07

27 Apr 2012 18:28:42
Mc Coist link to job in Barcelona....... Bartender lol bigirishmac

People who put lol after some lame jibe in their own post would be hard pushed to get a bartender's job in Tollcross, never mind Barcelona.....mind you, Lennon's going to be a part-time seat warmer for a spell.....

With all the coming an going soon to be done in England's top two divisions, wonder how many job offers lemon will get ?

He would have more chance than lennon.more class you see
trueblue

Hay he could put his name in for the rangers job when they drop to division 3 then. Fat Ally will never win the Spl. ;) enjoy your little march tomarrow just be like the march of the penguins. Payourtaxes bigirishmac

Fat Ally?......what about Humpty(tracky bottoms) Lennon?....how can you compare a likeable, down to earth guy with the ginger simian?...My maw would've managed Celtic to the title this season.

Fat Neil is a major success, a wee bully with no class and totally out of his depth.

What's Ally if he can't win the league against a team managed by a manager out of his depth?

27 Apr 2012 17:08:37
Sandy Jardine ,a second rater resorting to resoting to threats second rate assistant manager and a second rate fullbackand now a second rate spokesperson.

A secondrate rate post from a secondrate no name poster badboybob :o)

And your a second rate poster sandy was a better full back than danny mc grain ever was even jim denny was better than mc grain lol doug

Got a bit of a sssstutttter there have we?

An intergalactic post. From the world domination fanbase that is galactic, superior to all forms of supporters clubs, global, worldwide and including the Milky Way- the snack you can eat between meals.
Sandy Jardine, Top Man.

Why cant u poeple not get it u wont get a cva ticktus turned down 10mill cause they no cva wont happen fact

And what are u a fan of the most successful second placed finishers in Scotland

Out of interest, how many caps did Jardine win?

Have you nothing better to do Mr Billy no mates and no name? Jardine is a top bloke. GTM

Tbn and kennedys bid is only if u can get a cva which wont happen if u could get one addmin team would have had it in place for any buyers ticktus have just became no1 creditor and they wont vote for it and the tax man has never let any company get one that owes money fact

Guy who posted this must av a memory like a goldfish u cant even remember what uv typed in,i will put you in two words TYPICAL TIMMY

@2;jardine was a great full back,but not in McGrains class.danny played on the left for scotland to allow jardine to play.......green jhedi

Loads...Successive Scotland managers played McGrain out of position to fit Jardine in....lightning pace at his peak, great control and skill, played till he was 38-ish for a good Hearts team, played in 2 World Cups.....not taking one jot away from McGrain, who was also a great international player,who was probably a better defensive player than Jardine, with Jardine shading the attacking quality.

The truth be told , Jardine and McGrain were pure class, from an era when Scotland had some cracking footballers.
What happened ?

@12; possibly after danny had suffered his skull injury and diabetes problems,no way before..........green jhedi

Danny mcgrain 62 caps.
sandy jardine 38 caps.
saw them both play many times.
mcgrain was best.
much tougher tackler ,better passer.
possibly the best full back partnership scotland has had. wish we could still argue the toss over players of that class.
though izaguirre has the potential but rangers have no-one .
rangers could have had them both if it wasnt for you know what. lol.

Oh, and I went to same school(Kingsridge Sec in the Drum) as Danny, and played footy with his brother Tommy...so Rangers could have signed him....not sure about urban legend of getting knocked back for his name!

@16;It is true rangers thought he was a tim,it's in Danny's book i think...........green jhedi

A ghost-written book.....Rangers scouts watched him at the school....loads of people who went to Kingsy would verify that....mind you,it was a non-denominational school...

@8 No name? well you believe every word of the RTC site which is no name.

27 Apr 2012 16:47:55
4.) These clowns dont get it do they ,yes defered payments are the norm but most clubs pay them,Rangers on the other had have no intention of paying for players i.e Wallace, and much as I dislike Hearts they have showed more dignity about than most and certainly more than the self titled dignity FC

Dannybhoy {Ed001's Note - how do you know they wouldn't pay them?}

Payments not due till the end of the season.

Dannybhoy crashes and burns yet again.

Whens the 1m to Rapid due?..........green jhedi

Think you will find the moneys due to rapid are in installments and arent due to be paid of till nxt year,also rangers are due 10 percent of the fee thy got for selling on jelavic and as yet we aint seen tht o go and get your facts straight k***

Rangers are still owed cash aswell from clubs you seem to have selective memory

Surprised you don't know green Jhedi thought you knew everything associated with Rangers.Dont tell me your actually a closet Tic supporter.

When do we get the final instalments due to us by Everton for Jelavic. Its what happens in football as they say. {Ed022's Note - The final installments for Jelavic? The very final ones? That won't be a while yet mate, that's how the process works in football.}

@4; no i actually can read things properly without blinkers,nice to know your thinking of me though...........green jhedi

27 Apr 2012 15:20:04
Can any ANGRY wounded (soon to be extinct) bears not realise your own chairman KILLED your club,DAVID MURRAY!..I wonder were TBK are getting there finances from for a CVA that will be for £ in the £ if ever agreed( slim hope)as they cant even stump up £500,000....273 creditors owed,ticketus now top of the que,whyte wanting £30million,rip end of may.but hey its old firm game on sunday,medias got to spin more sh!t to feed the gullable...stevo

Your hatred is laughable pal. Your as low as they get! Gonna bottle it again this weekend?

Raab

I thought with the Old firm game coming up might be more interested as to whether you lot are going to bottle it again on Sunday? Obviously not by the continual frothing at the mouth on here by you timmy's.

@1; No hatred in that post........green jhedi

I read the intro to the main post and automatically the names buckie and stevo came to mind, then waste of spaceoh.

The only laughable thing here is you Raab. Nugget!!!

Wheres the hatred raaab?foolish retort,yous gibber some bolloc@s,seems none of you can realise or admit whats happening,still in denial,arrogance knows no limits..stevo

@3 none, but plenty in yours on another site!

The OP actually makes some good points.

Im not in denial? Im not stupid I know exactly whats happening. Its obvious Murray is to blame you dosser. I feel we should go down to the 3rd division unless we are saved. Its not the fans fault for all of this but you insist on coming on here insulting us! And its clear you hate us by that post! RIP end of may, soon to be extinct? why else would you waste your time coming on this site and posting that rubbish? Obsessed and pathetic! I would never even consider posting on a celtic page! If you dont hate rangers then im the bloody pope!

Raab

@4 if u can actually read,were does it say stevo in the intro??meths crackpipes and flute sums you up.stevo

@7; well you must be illiterate my friend as i dont hate,i find it a bit of a waste of emotion...........green jhedi

27 Apr 2012 14:49:07
Better take your earmuffs with you on
Sunday Bears. Apparently we are gonna
be seronaded by the green n grey with
a lovely wee war time ditty by Vera Lynn.
Quite ironic as she was the British Forces
sweetheart!

There'll be Bluebells over the white cliffs of dover!

Hmmmmmmm. I see the bigot in you allows you to point out the 'irony' of it being a Vera Lynn song.

@2. Think the irony is Celtic fans who hate all things British belting out a world war forces sweethearts song. Nothing bigoted about that.

Well they can give us rule brittania and we,l have the biggest football choir in the world ok ginger chocks away lol doug

My ticket is handefd back, won't ever be back at that s**t hole again.

Why's it a sh*thole? Most neutral fans say it's a great stadium, one of the best grounds in the UK. Is it just because you don't like Celtic so can't have an objective view on a stadium? If so, you're quite a sad wee person.

@5;even when you get promoted?.......green jhedi

First time i was in the stadium of s-ite at parkheid id to get a towel my head was soaking from drips from the roof reminded me of the old jungle even shettleston juniors had a better enclosure doug

@8;well you better get a mask for your next trip to the asbestos arena then..........green jhedi

27 Apr 2012 14:38:32
Rangers boss believes drop to Third Division would be 'morally' right

27 April 2012 14:05 BST

Pic: �SNS Group
Ally McCoist believes it would be �morally� correct for Rangers to be forced to apply to join the Scottish Football League and play in the Third Division next season.

STV online article.

Strange why only half of the sentence Ally said is printed here. Sad Sad people.

Usual, pick & choose mentality!

bill72

27 Apr 2012 14:31:22
With rangers fans boycotting companies who sponsor the S.F.A,i was wondering if any rangers fans employed within these companies are prepared to walk away from their jobs in disgust at their employers association with S.F.A.

Dont be stupid man,if you were in that positition you would have to put your children and wife first no matter what,,,well thats the way DECENT folk think not morons

@1) Yet they would b ehappy to put others jobs in danger ie those with wives and children. Decent right enough.

27 Apr 2012 13:50:08
Is there anything we can do to speed up the outcome of the BTC. I feel only then will we recieve a bid and know if a cva is possihble or not. On another note check the bookies pricess for a gers victory on Sunday and just remember how bad our city neighbours are!

27 Apr 2012 13:41:17
In 1990 Swindon won promotion to the English first division under Ossie Ardilles as manager. The previous manager was found guilty of the player transfer 'bungs' scandal but he was long gone. The English FA penalized the club by dropping them two divisions to the third div.
The club had not benefitted from the bungs nor thd players nor the fans.

Your point?

No name?

bill72

Why does the poster need a name? I think the point is that the club was punished for something a former manager did, much like Rangers are being punished for the actions of Whyte.

@1;why a name bill?you have previous for "no name" posting do you not?.........green jhedi

The actions of david murray and his accountants you mean, I hate whyte as much as the next guy but he never got us in this mess, we were already hanging over the edge of the cliff, he just nudged us over it! *ksd*

A name is too risky for some. I dont really give no-namers any time as theyre posts are literally always cr@p. Occaisonally you get a great post and no name which is a shame. CheltBlue

3.) again selective memoryGJ,
Every post made since from me has been signed - no news here, move on and try keep up the pace.

BILL72

@6; Brilliant!All i said was you had previous,did i say you still do it? As you say yourself "since".A clear admittance.Try and learn to read properly it makes it more fun.......green jhedi

27 Apr 2012 13:28:48
how many rangers supporters are buying the sandy jardin rubbish . It's all whytes fault is
he realy saying no one at ibrox knew what was going on? Anyone seen murray lately?..col

27 Apr 2012 13:20:31
Quick question if these sanctions are draconian what in your opinion should happen to rangers ? A pat on the back maybe ?
What would happen if this was hibs or hearts in same position?
Double standards can't exist in a competition or it becomes rigged and uefa will intervene !
No matter how big rangers are they must be punished!

Sandy jardine is a joke of a man and a discrace to your club comments like that should be in the playground not in newspapers !
The sad thing you will all jump on the bandwagon and further embarrass your great club ! Keep your head boys

What should happen to Rangers is the same as what has been dished out to previous clubs in administration. That is what you are not getting We are not against punishment just not to be overly punished for the same problems (and problems caused by Whyte I may add)

27 Apr 2012 13:16:52
ABERDEEN FC fans today hit out against the prospect of a Rangers newco being admitted to the SPL.

A massive 97% (1,520) in an online poll are against a Rangers newco in the top flight should the Ibrox club go into liquidation and be reformed.

Two thirds (67%) of the 1,558 Aberdeen FC fans polled warned they would boycott all games if Rangers went bust and were allowed straight back into the SPL.


Do these guys realise that their empty seats will be filled with our own fans? So their really contributing to our coffers! Ta Dons.

I was under the impression Aberdeen fans already boycott Ibrox....seems not many of them bother to turn up just now!

Yeh were really panicking. A Thousand sheep don't turn up at Ibrox. Whoopee do.

27 Apr 2012 12:34:27
If ticketus are planning on chasing craig whyte for their 27 million their is no way whyte is gonna sell his shareholding too bk/bk consortium for anything less than that amount. Whyte still holds a floating charge on ground so any bid would have too be greater than the worth of ibrox to whyte or the debt to ticketus. Can't see that being the case

27 Apr 2012 12:27:20
How did we end up in such a mess, you have to wonder its so shameful

Not asking questions. If its too good to be true...

Two men whyte and murray

Shameful,mess.see mr murray for your answers m8

27 Apr 2012 12:16:49
Ref

SFA are following the rules also remember the punishment given was at the lower end of the scale.Do Let me put it this way to you.
If lets say a wealthy business person commits a serious crime would you expect him to get of lightly just because he lets say employs 50000 people?
Where do you draw the line

Ready to get shot down in flames mate lol

if you dont believe me google it

I will sack my staff if you ban me from the road

Jan 19 2011 Gordon Currie

THE multi-millionaire owner of the "Harrods of the north" escaped a driving ban yesterday after threatening to sack staff if he was put off the roads.
Retail tycoon Mark Birkbeck, 62, persuaded a court that a ban would cause him "exceptional hardship" and claimed he was not in a position to hire a chauffeur.

Birkbeck, who employs 240 people at House of Bruar in Perthshire, was allowed to stay on the roads despite now having 14 points on his licence after being caught speeding.
He was already on 10 points when he appeared yesterday at Perth's Justice of the Peace Court. Getting 12 points would usually have resulted in a lengthy ban.


Lochaber Bear

I have read some drivel on here before but this takes the biscuit

What's this got to do with Rangers. the courts regularly take into account the bigger picture when dealing with driving bans. Just like the SFA panel would have considered everything when issuing Rangers' punishment. Why dopn't you wait for the full written verdict before going on and on about the perceived injustice. Rangers will appeal anyway but, as so many people (including the Eds.) have commented, Rangers have been dealt with lightly on this one.

This has no bearing on Rangers dilemma but i just though i would show the original poster that crazy 5hit goes on if you are rich enough lol

Lochaber Bear

27 Apr 2012 12:00:08
ed I have only just realised that although rangeres missed the cut off date for a European License we have still applied to play in europe next season. I thought that this was impossible due to missing the cut off date. when will there be a desicsion made on this, who makes that descision and what are the chances of a positive outcome?? {Ed001's Note - the chances are zero mate, they don't have signed off accounts to make them eligible.}

What was the point on them appealing? Surely this costs money we simply don't have to go chasing wild geese!!!

@1 it never stopped you before,why change now garlar07

27 Apr 2012 11:37:47
Tried posting the other day to say Blue Knights had an agreement with Administraters and it would be in within a couple of days. But Ed never posted it. And as for Sandy jardine's comments, the press are twisting them and using words in there headlinbes that he never. And YES he is right to say Rangers will stand against them that stood against us. us . Other clubs never kicked Gretna, Motherwell and Livingston like this when they where down. We will survive and not forget those who treated us bad, as we wont forgot those who treated us well - Dunfermline ! {Ed001's Note - you know I get fed up of liars who say they posted something days ago and yet it somehow didn't get posted, even though it is clearly not true.}

I heard Sandy Jardine speaking and the press are not twisting his words. More morons could take his words to mean sanctions against clubs can be threats etc.

27 Apr 2012 11:33:17
Just a suggestion, never actually heard of this anywhere before, but couldn't the SFA, on appeal, convert the the player registration embargo to more of a suspended sentence instead? certain RFC 'good behaviour' conditions to be met?

It would seem a more appropriate sanction at the moment, with players no longer held on contract and a mass exodus still possible depending on events. More 'helpful' to the process in hand.

How would we feel about that?

27 Apr 2012 11:17:16
I'm not saying that we don't deserve some punishment because we do.

But if the main reason that Ticketus are withdrawing their support for any bid is because of the recent SFA sanctions against us then Ally is right, it is a disgrace.

The Club, not Craig Whyte, not David Murray, are trying to get back onto a steady foundation and the SFA have destroyed any glimmer of hope we had.

Other countries Football Associations support clubs experiencing difficulties, but not the SFA.

Go after Whyte, go after anyone that broke the law, but its fans and club staff that are being punished here.

27 Apr 2012 10:59:44
Ssn tickets pull out of tbk consortium,looks like that's it brother bear.BLUNTRU73 LLRFC

FK Ticketus let them chase the whyte shyte for there 24 million

@1: not how it'll work, no matter how much you want it.

Pmsl,they be chasing rfc for there money not whyte

27 Apr 2012 10:17:32
Why haven't the Scottish Farcical Association hammered hearts for not paying their players? Shouldn't that result in a transfer embargo? Why should they be allowed the privilege of signing players only to not pay them. The SFA bottled it with them. Now, our wee pal along the road Master Lennon, surely he brings the game into disrepute on a bi-weekly basis (or any time the big green bottle crashes, once again) with his constant conspiracy theories and questioning of referees integrity, yet he only receives a slight tap on the wrist. The punishment handed out to our club is heavy handed and smacks of the SFA bowing to the other SPL teams who seemingly want to kick us while we are down. Be careful what you wish for. Forever in our shadow.

Who is this ed022? I want your name haha!

Big Blue Bear {Ed001's Note - Vlad plays the game well, he pays the players just often enough to keep the SFA off his back.}

I case you haven't noticed ,the refs were found to be liars and found out during appeal,Scottish football is finished because of its corruption in turninga blind eye to what was going on at ibroxlast for years and the inbred anti Celtic feelings by officials in the game...Lennon was correct and had big balls to stick up to the hatred of abuse bullets and bombs...well done sir Neil Lennon he should be knighted

Are u having a joke knighted he should never be allowed near a football stadium again he could quite possibly start a riot with half the stuff the moaning ginger wee bigot does

If only Celtic fans recognised the Monarchy and what it stands for. Until then no knighthoods heading to the east end sorry!

@3 you shafted the monarchy for years and you ask us to respect them feck off

27 Apr 2012 09:57:15
Drysdale has been a director of this provincial club for more than a decade. He signed the most recent accounts to 30 June 2011.

Here are some extracts:

Loss for the year £162,000 (2010: loss £73,000)
Balance sheet: insolvent to the tune of £1,400,000
This excludes £201,000 of unpaid rent that the landlords have waived for the moment but retain the right to claim later
Net current liabilities £310,000 i.e. it owed more in the short term than it had available
Payroll taxes and VAT outstanding of £78,000 (2010: £118,000), see later for comments on this
Was only able to pay some of its bills because other directors paid in £52,000
Going concern emphasis of matter by the auditors which cast "significant doubt on the company's ability to continue as a going concern"
Disclosure that "the company does not have formal funding facilities in place that allow it to meet its liabilities as they fall due"
Disclosure that a group restructuring took place in 2005, the terms of which were "incorrectly documented" and an "assumed waiver of the loan ... has not in fact been made".
Drysdale owned 0.0003% of the 327,400 ordinary shares and 0.5% of the 10,000 preference shares. If he has made any money in banking, it doesn't appear that he has invested it in football.

Although there were payroll taxes and VAT due at the year end, these weren't necessarily overdue at that time. How £78,000 was paid in full the following month when there was only £27,000 in the bank at 30 June would be a legitimate question to ask?

Likewise the year before, £118,000 taxes due but £44,000 in the bank. In the interests of transparency, perhaps Drysdale would like to make a statement confirming that, during his directorship, Raith Rovers have never been late with any tax payments. If he is sitting in judgement of Rangers on these matters, surely that's the least we can expect?

Seems like one rule for Rangers one rule for others
how could the Craig Whyte of Rovers possibly be a fit and proper person to Judge RANGERS infact why is he allowed to run a football club

27 Apr 2012 09:11:22
Anyone know why 5 stars missing from new top {Ed001's Note - they aren't.}

27 Apr 2012 08:45:08
Make no mistake about it, if SDM were still at the club Ally would be fired.
SDM fired Donald Findlay QC as a Director for singing a sectarian song at a private party.
Ally's sins are far more serious.
CoS Elder Bear.

27 Apr 2012 07:51:36
Ed .... is there any visibility of even a summary of RFC's current trading statement / P&L ? i.e income, committed expenses, known debts (exc. the 'big tax' case') estimated assett values (stadium. training facility etc) ? {Ed001's Note - unlikely, though the books will have to be signed off eventually, probably not until new owners or liquidation happens though.}

27 Apr 2012 07:36:40
The save the rangers fund need to invest some of their funds with a PR company to advise currently & former Rangers players, about what is poitically correct to say in the current climate....Many of these former Hector Players are doing your cause no good at all, with fruitless claims and verbal assaults at those not responsibile for your problems.....They need to remember that Rangers voted last year for this quick track arrangement to deal with SFA matters to be instigated, all be Rangers never thought they would be subject to such offences themselves.....Accept the punishment get on with things, and focus on what is required to bring Rangers back to compete with us bhoys, both on and off the field....

Competing with Celtic off the field?.....who says Bhoys don't do irony....Lemme see...smearing SFA, yeah, we're following in Celtic's well-worn trail on that one, bitching at other teams for not liking us? , yep, we're following in the tradition of Sutton and Lenny about other Scottish teams not doing them a turn.....accepting our punishment? well, hpoefully we'll match the Bhoys on that one as well and roll in with a battalion of QC'S, ask for clarification of whatever, and demand to know why certain people were judging us(George Peat , anyone?)...the selective memory of the Declans, is , as ever, breathtaking, and listening to their righteous outpourings is a bit like listening to an inclusiveness seminar from Pol Pot.

27 Apr 2012 07:24:12
what do you think of the new Rangers top? i did notice they have stripped the 5 stars from it? is this a sign of league titles being stripped from the Gers? GHR Bear {Ed022's Note - The 5 stars are just in a different place mate. It's been done for 'aesthetically pleasing purposes'.}

27 Apr 2012 00:54:58
Football fans from all over Scotland really don't want your club in the SPL. Your supporters are a disgrace with their sectarian chanting and are an embarrasment to Scottish football, your owners past and present have cheated their way to several league titles and have condoned your chants for too many years. Scotland has no place for your kind anymore, you don't deserve a place in any of our leagues. Stan the Par.
PS your mates across the city are just as bad!

Stan, you want Gers out the league? its already proved that without Gers' money, your club wouldnt survive.

All decent Rangers supporters who enjoy going along to watch and support their team, just like you do yours thank you sincerely for your support at this difficult time Stan.

One can sometimes understand the sort of reaction we had from Sandy Jardine the other day.

All the best if/ WHEN your glorious team goes down the tubes too Stan. I'll shed a tear. :-)

at

First of there are more sectarian chants at non old firm grounds than rangers and celtic combined its isnt a glasgow thing. its just highlighted as both celtic and rangers are Big News for the media. It is a scottish problem not solely a glasgow one. seems to be a few incidents this season involving the pars and at there ground not necessarily with there own fans but theres no smoke without fire shall we say. Relegated and Bigoted Surely Not :S

Your club and plenty others have lived off us for years so wind your neck in

You dont want us but your club like to spend the gate money when they come to town on players staff for the club etc. Your local shops, pubs, cafe's, restraunts, news agents, taxi firms etc also all make money when Rangers come to town. Look at the big picture i am sure there is some one that you no that will be affected in some way.
Talking of sectarian chanting it is part of the history of Glasgw Tim alloy's and Billy Boys. Football was one of the best things that happend in Glasgow at that time it stopped the gangs fighting each other on a Satuardy afternoon and gave them something to look forward to in a time of depravity.
If you go back in history you will see why this happend it is called a Society.
Every Country has its problems Australia, Hawwaii etc have all been invaded and had to endure what happens to a Society when this happens they all have songs they sing against the invaders and rightly so! {Ed001's Note - except none of them take it to football.}

Your just hoping to avoid relegation you loser

Yea and the pars will flourish with your massive 2000 fans a game!!

Stan, There are more football fans in Scotland and the rest of the world who support Rangers and Celtic than the rest of the teams in the SPL added up together, so your post is irrelevant.
Plus - if we have more troublemakers in our support than your wee team its only because we are so much bigger. I guarantee your club will have its own element of zoomers who would readily shame you if given half a chance.
Scotland should have no place for those people NOT the clubs unfortunate enough to be stuck with them as supporters.
I know many many decent Rangers and Celtic fans who JUST LOVE THEIR CLUBS. Where's the crime in that?
Blue Knows

I take it you have this opinion because your team are about to get relegated, grow up

Dunfermiline would just have to cut their cloth to suit and stop living hand to mouth. It could and will be done. If you can no longer afford to pay for and run your current car, you downsize. clubs will have to do the same. You wouldn't go bust and neither will they.

2) Regarding the reply from 1) have Rangers survived on this supposed income that they generate for everyone else? Scottish clubs have to become self sufficient not rely on other clubs

Stan you truly are the man"to$$er".BLUNTRU72 LLRFC

Deprivation may have been a betterchoice of word .

Paddy Malarkey

27 Apr 2012 00:24:28
Rangers Disciplinary Panel: Was Eric Drysdale Fit And Proper?

Published on Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:54
Written by RangersMedia

Was Eric Drysdale a fit and proper person to sit on the discredited SFA Tribunal and pronounce judgement on the 140 year old institution that is The Rangers?

Let's have a look at some of the companies Drysdale is - or has been - involved with.


Raith Rovers

Drysdale has been a director of this provincial club for more than a decade. He signed the most recent accounts to 30 June 2011.

Here are some extracts:

Loss for the year £162,000 (2010: loss £73,000)
Balance sheet: insolvent to the tune of £1,400,000
This excludes £201,000 of unpaid rent that the landlords have waived for the moment but retain the right to claim later
Net current liabilities £310,000 i.e. it owed more in the short term than it had available
Payroll taxes and VAT outstanding of £78,000 (2010: £118,000), see later for comments on this
Was only able to pay some of its bills because other directors paid in £52,000
Going concern emphasis of matter by the auditors which cast "significant doubt on the company's ability to continue as a going concern"
Disclosure that "the company does not have formal funding facilities in place that allow it to meet its liabilities as they fall due"
Disclosure that a group restructuring took place in 2005, the terms of which were "incorrectly documented" and an "assumed waiver of the loan ... has not in fact been made".

Drysdale owned 0.0003% of the 327,400 ordinary shares and 0.5% of the 10,000 preference shares. If he has made any money in banking, it doesn't appear that he has invested it in football.

Although there were payroll taxes and VAT due at the year end, these weren't necessarily overdue at that time. How £78,000 was paid in full the following month when there was only £27,000 in the bank at 30 June would be a legitimate question to ask?

Likewise the year before, £118,000 taxes due but £44,000 in the bank. In the interests of transparency, perhaps Drysdale would like to make a statement confirming that, during his directorship, Raith Rovers have never been late with any tax payments. If he is sitting in judgement of Rangers on these matters, surely that's the least we can expect?


B&B Limited

Drysdale was a director of B&B Limited when it was dissolved at the instance of the Registrar of Companies on 23 June 2009.

The accounts which he signed in August 2008 state that he had been a director since at least 1 December 2006, contradictory to the above date
Loss for the year of £7,000
I'd love to tell you what the loss was in 2006 but there are no comparative figures in the profit and loss account
Balance sheet insolvent to the tune of £15,000 but no disclosures regarding going concern or ability to continue trading (and indeed it was dissolved less than 12 months later)
It should have submitted its annual return in December 2008, but didn't, this is a breach of the Companies Act for which the current maximum fine is £5,000
Drysdale also signed the accountant's report. What? Since when was he an accountant? What qualifications or experience does he have to sign that? Especially when the accounts contain (or not!) a number of non compliance matters and omissions

Given Drysdale's demand to punish Rangers to the maximum scale and beyond, one wonders whether he feels it would be equitable for him to also have been punished to the maximum for these breaches.



Airdrie

Airdrie supporters remember Drysdale kindly. When the old Airdrie died, and newco Airdrie applied for SFL membership, Drysdale was particularly sympathetic to their cause believing that Airdrie fans had suffered enough. Raith Rovers voted for newco Airdrie, although Gretna won the overall vote. Sympathetic to Airdrie following liquidation, but maximum penalty for Rangers - thanks, Eric.


Independence

On the Raith Rovers website (www.raithrovers.net/directors) Drysdale's primary responsibilities "are the management of cashflow [no laughing at the back], corporate governance [I told you, no laughing] and representation of the club at SFL and SFA meetings". Now we're talking.

So he meets with the SFA. How many meetings with the SFA has he had? Who has he met with? Has anything ever been discussed at any of those meeting which is relevant, directly or indirectly, to the affairs of Rangers? Given the supposed independence of the Judicial Panel, will minutes of those meetings be published? In the intetests of transparency, you understand.


Banker

According to Drysdale's publicly available LinkedIn account, as a Sector Credit Policy Manager at the RBS he has responsibility for setting lending policy for certain key industries including professional football. Having all but bankrupted the country with their policies, the RBS know where they can shove those policies - the same Lawwell orifice in which Regan's tongue allegedly resides. But despite any other perceived failings, even I would find it hard to blame Drysdale for the catastrophic failures at the RBS.



Where does this leave Stewart Regan?

Appointments to the Judicial Panel are made by the Board of the SFA with reference to the Judicial Panel Terms of Reference. I have not been able to find this document on the SFA website. Perhaps in the interests of transparency, Regan should make it publicly available so that we can judge what procedures, including fit and proper tests, are carried out before appointing Panel Members.

Regan did carry out a fit and proper test before Drysdale's appointment, didn't he?

It was reported today that Drysdale was "hand-picked for the tribunal" which is in accordance, under clause 7.2.1 of the Judicial Panel Protocol, where each individual Tribunal is appointed by the Secretary. Who is that? It's Regan of course! So Regan decides exactly who sits in judgement on Rangers.

Regan makes the appointments to each tribunal with reference to the Protocol for Tribunal Appointments. Once again I haven't seen this document and wonder whether Regan, in the interests of transparency, can direct me to its public availability?

We could ask Stewart Regan on Twitter for access to these documents, but, ever transparent, he blocks Rangers supporters who ask difficult - and often not so difficult - questions.

Rangers fans may now have zero confidence in Drysdale's fitness to serve on the Judicial Panel. And even less confidence in Regan's (hopefully soon-to-end) tenure as Lawwell's useful idiot. That is completely transparent.

There are so many points wrong with your statement I'll keep it short though, to bring drysdales clubs finances into this is ludicrous, sure they have financial troubles like almost EVERY company in the recession but the have not deliberately withheld Taxes due and used this money as operating costs, they are operating within the credit limit they have.
To say that he had sympathy to airdrie and gave Rangers maximum penalty is wrong the maximum penalty for bringing the game into disrepute is expulsion, it may be a blow to be given the penalty but in no way is it unjust.
Just a question I have asked several times but has never been posted for some reason, what punishment do you believe is fair for the wrong doings of the club? {Ed001's Note - it has been posted hundreds of times, just because you haven't spotted it, doesn't mean it is not there.}

26 Apr 2012 23:40:26
Ed can you confirm the exact ruling within the SFA Constitution that covers any decision that relates to a Signing Embargo.
Also can you confirm if the rule was part of the constitution at the start of this season,as no other club has ever been given a similar sanction (yes i know Dundee had a signing embargo ,but that was while they were in administration not as has been issued to Rangers who have been handed a sanction that will still apply even if they come out of administartion. {Ed001's Note - it is in here: http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/football_document_libraries.cfm?page=2569 won't take you long to find the relevant section I am sure.}