Rangers Banter Archive August 27 2013

27 Aug 2013 18:53:24
@George good luck with your crusade for truth and honesty, I genuinely hope your campaign gets off the ground.
But other questions need to be asked also, one of your own "realranger" has posted a few times about redundancies of long serving office and ancilliary staff yet all your fans seem OK with this.
Today we have again heard Ally talk of bringing in yet another player Pandza and also trying to do a deal later with K Miller.
The board are paying off decent people, while lining their own pockets, your management team are on huge wages and bonuses, know the money problems at the club, yet still push ahead with big money signings.
Ally and Durrant are only thinking of THEIR next bonus, NOT what is best for your club.
Until all your fans realise this your club is doomed again for a second administration and more embarrassment. Timalloy

Mccoist is told how many players he is allowed etc. sick of people blaming him for excessive contracts. that's between finance, chairman and agents NOT MANAGERS. i'm far from his biggest fan, just sick of him being scapegoat for poor financial management

Thanks
and thanks to the people who took time to take and read the leaflet.

I was amazed that fans even came up and mentined are you protester number 2 on rangers rumours etc, the feedback made it feel even more worthwhile

SONS OF STRUTH now have a page on a massive social network site that out of respect to this site I won't mention

SONS OF STRUTH DEMAND THE TRUTH

@1 even though he's told to spend he knows there is financial difficulties and he is being played like a fiddle. Seems to me that Ally is trying to keep his own stock high for when it all goes pear shaped, has he taken the 50% pay cut yet?

28 Aug 2013 07:25:11
@1 No-one FORCES him to buy players! Ally always makes out like he's just a fan like the rest of us, but if he is then what stops him asking obvious questions like the rest of us? "Ok Mr Mather, I know you're saying I CAN buy more players if I WANT to, but i'm a bit concerned, as a FAN, how on earth we can afford more. Besides, we already have a squad capable of thrashing just about anyone we'll face this year. So I tell you what, i'm going to leave the squad as it is for now, unless I see clear evidence of how this spending fits in with a sound financial plan of recovery for the club. " Does anyone think that any such words have been spoken by Ally? Of course not. Therefore it is only reasonable to conclude that he is either astonishingly naive, utterly selfish, reckless, or complicit in some devious plan of the type George is banging on about. Take your pick, but don't tell me "Ally's awrite".

As there are redundancies being made at the club, could we not make Ally redundant by simply making the title of team manager disappear, we then pay him the government minimum payoff as a legal requirement, then appoint a director of football to do the same job on a vastly smaller wage. Just a thought!

@4. You may well be right. But how do you know he hadn't asked the question and been told all is running ok? Things sound very concerning I admit but all we have is heresay once again. You nor me do not know the facts of finances at club. Just rumours. I say let the head coach get on with his job. The term manager does not fit in football these days as he has no say in financial matters.

Well done to George, Craig and new found friends. I honestly believe this is the only way you will get a voice in the future of your club, once again well done.
Gbhoy

27 Aug 2013 16:04:33
Ally Mcoist on Scott Gallacher "I have got to say that looking at him he could play just about anywhere. He could certainly play in the top league in Scotland. I firmly believe that.

So why did he sign Cammy Bell on 7k a week then? It's decisions like this from Mcoist and the board that are pushing our club back to the brink again.

What's the point in Murray Park if we have a player who the manager thinks is good enough to play 2 divisions above where he is now but still brings in someone else and wants to send him out on loan?

Cammy bell is a class goalkeeper, and a long term solution. Scott gallacher has barely played football i'm his career an has been relatively untested. Bell is great coup, even though gallacher is performing well, bell will take his place in coming weeks and gallacher will get a short term loan

Competition, competition, competition!!

Says it all really, guys like you just want to moan though, apparently.

@2 how's it competition when ally is planning to send Gallagher out on loan?

Think @1 and 2 you guys are missing posters point, do not disagree that Bell may be great long term signing, BUT poster is spot on saying that if Ally believes Gallacher is capaple of ouR premier league there is no need in our current league and financial position to pay 7k a week for other keeper, indeed could it put other youngsters off signing up to Murray PARK.

Competition? Mate get a reality check. WE ARE NOT IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE! Competition could easily come from one of the youngsters from Murray Park. The bottom line is the wage bill we have is utterly ridiculous for where we are. As yourself one question. If Ally had the similar budget to the other teams in our league do you think we would win it? We had a chance to go back to the beginning and build a team of youth but Ally and the rest have just made the same old mistakes that got us into this situation in the first place.

Buying success from the bottom divisions up isn't productive. What does it prove? Once we get back to the Premiership and Ally is found out then what? All the players are sold and a new manager comes in. if we're still in business that is.

We had a chance to build something from scratch using young hungry scottish players. We had a chance to run the club like a business, spending what we made and building up economically. Even us as fans had a chance to unite and buy the club instead of Green but we failed on all these fronts.

I sadly can't see a happy ending to any of this and as a fan it genuinely guts me.

Rossco Cyprus Bear

Hmm I see you guys want to arrive in the SPL in 2 years and sign 24 or so players for MONEY?

Rossco the best post today!

What I want as a club is to spend what we earn and not already be in a downward spiral. Build a team with players you can afford and nurture talent. It's not really that hard. Swaggering into league 1 and spaffing millions in wages hardly proves you're a superior manager does it? Give a typical guy in the stands 50 times the budget of the other teams and they'd struggle to lose!

Agree with OP it's daft to say Gallacher could play in any league in Scotland then ship him out. Wage bill needs reducing and this should have been an easy decision not to pay Bell £5-£7k per week that we can't afford. Another example of a very good young player being over looked by a manager who obviously hasn't the talent to build a team to go up through the leagues but is buying his way up. Will all end in tears if and when we get back to the top league

Mccoist isn't going to come out and say "scotts only capable of playing league one football" people thrive on whinging about every comment he makes.

@10 your missing the point if Gallacher is good enough then why not have him as our no 1 keeper?

N10 and 11 maybe mccoist is trying to show englands top teams how good bell is in the hope of selling him for a tidy profit in 2years time then replacing him with gallacher

27 Aug 2013 14:01:20
The KEY question

Every fan has their opinion and feelings about Whyte, Murray, Green, Stockdale etc etc etc and on some things we agree yet on others we dont.

HOWEVER, one thing we all agree on is where is the deeds??

This is a massive question and we need to know NOW. Why?

If what we are hearing is true and the "good guys" are not far from a majority sharing holding then what's to stop the "bad guys" from transferring ownership to another company for a silly small sum if they haven't already done so.

This may not be the end for the club but would put our recovery back years.

Heres an example of what could happen in layman's terms

You own a house market value £200k and you need cash. I buy your house for £100k cash and rent it back to you for £24k a year on the agreement that you can buy the house back for £400k anytime in the next 10 years. Superb but now you you have to pay an excessive rent to stay there or well above market value to get it back.

I can't lose as if you move away I have a very sell-able home at half market value or a tenant in it paying more than they should and if the current tenant ever wants to buy it back I make a huge profit.

Could you imagine if we let the deeds go how this would effect our recovery. If its too late and they are away we need to know and how the arrangement works. If they are not away already we need to make sure they don't go.

THIS IS ONE QUESTION WE CAN ALL AGREE ON AND NEED TO EN-MASS ASK IT.

WHOS IN?

SONS OF STRUTH DEMAND THE TRUTH

Struth will be turning in his grave at the shenanigans down govan way. The Rangers International Football Club are fast heading for the same fate as Rangers Football Club. Also Lest Wee Forget the CREDITORS owed millions from the implotion of RFC. steff

Sons of White demand stopping the Sh.
Sons of Greig refuse to beg
Sons of Wallace demand more solace
Sons of Mcleish say stop taking the peesh
Sons of Souness say stop reading the press
Sons of le Guen say stand up men
Sons of Smith say stop taking the pith
Sons of McCoist say why are your pants so moist

Sons of Symon say stop the rhymin'

sorry, couldn't help it.

Good Luck, Good Bears,

Gerry

Op why not make that one of the main issues on the next flyer then?

JG

27 Aug 2013 12:07:04
ED ACN YOU GET THIS OUT ASAP TO UPDATE FANS GOING TO IBROX TONIGHT

I have a meeting at 5pm with fans that are helping me do the flyers hand outs at Ibrox I am not risking put my face on my own to this campaign, thankfully got strong support from Craig and his pals

So will be at Ibrox 6pm with a group of people to hand out flyers and talk in person

I am refusing point blank to go to any games until the board either F88K off or answer:

WHERE ARE THE DEEDS

WHERE IS THE £20 MILLION MISSING and while you are at it whereis £23 million CW stole?

WHERE ARE THE ACCOUNTS

I do not expect we will be answered just stalled like EGM till money all stolen

RFFR RTID . george

You can find out who owns Ibrox online for less than £20.

George. your not doing yourself any favours by constantly moving the goalpost's.
Most bears, myself included set off for work this morning under the impression you were turning up at 5pm.
I can understand your caution, but you should have posted your change of plan earler. Yesterday at the latest. A lot of bears may well turn up at 5 and guess what? You'll not be there!
Communication in this type of thing is paramount mate, if you want to getyour message across properly. You can't depend on word of mouth/ chinese whispers, as second hand comments either get exaggerated or diluted.
I'm well up for this mate, but it needs to be better organised. Right now it seems a f*n joke.

George

If your on a social network site be sure to look for

SONS OF STRUTH

If its too much trouble to wait an hour for the guy I give in. At least he's trying which is more than you have

I take my hat off to your persistence George and I really hope you make a difference. I do doubt this though. What we need is for the board changes to be implemented and then time will be needed to assess what's going on under the skin of the club. Fortunately it seems we are well underway to the change needed, but. assuming we find out all of these answers, we then need to right all of the wrongs. Unfortunately, it's not as easy as this as it will take months and months to assess the damage. We may not ever get to the bottom of matters as Green and the rest of the asset strippers won't co-operate and they won' sell for peanuts (current price which will fall) and believe it or not what they are doing is probably not illegal - whilst it should be, it will all be morally wrong but within the realms of legality. I hate to feel this way, although I am not blinkered to the fact that unless McColl can get in and operate quickly we will be in admin. I actually believe it is just around the corner. Think about the expenditure - all of these salaries, bonuses, new players (squad size is outrageous - I'm enjoying the new faces and the recent performances but we walked Div 3 despite feeling it was a slog therefore we didn't need to add to the team). I know you know this and that's why you are undertaking your campaign, I just think you / we are all going to face the inevitable very shortly. Having said that you might as well try rather than sit on your arse like me and the majority.

Not really concerned about people an hour makes a big deal to

I organised time off work, drove up, saw 6 separate groups of fans and a former director, collected and arranged delivery of 2000 flyers to LOYAL supporters not whining armchair internet ghosts

We handed out 2000 and I have already driven already back down to London for work at 9am

W**T THE F**K IS NOT ORGANISED ABOUT THAT IN A WEEK SINCE FIRST TIME MY POSTS WERE ALLOWED ON HERE AFTER A YEAR TRYING

You and the likes of you are why people like me are now getting of our arses and doing to talking

RFFR RTID . george