Rangers Banter Archive January 27 2015

27 Jan 2015 20:37:39
I see the three bears have released a statement, I seen it on another site ed, ime not sure if you would tell people on here about it cause it's on another site, but if poss bears go have a look.

{Ed039's Note - Its not exclusive to that site mate, its widely available to see, its on most news outlets and can be found be googling it, its open for discussion as well)

George123, All it tells us is that the board [ Ashley. ] has utter contempt for everyone. To him we are just a few quid added to his bank balance. He must not be under-estimated but he must be beaten for our survival. I just fear the damage that will be done in the process.

Billy b. There is only one way to beat Ashley. Stop putting money in his pocket FFS man!

Billyb I've always said he is only interested in himself, but we are in agreement he must be stopped, I think once the e. g. m. Is finished Ashley will be gone, well gone to an extent, the new board that will come in must look at every contract (like mr king has said) and if it's all legal we must boycott everything related to these robbers, even if the fat guy offers to look at contracts again, the new boars should tell him to keep them, cause if nobody is buying then nobody is selling.

Has Ashtray not got the merchandise contract sewn upall ways as unsold gear is purchased by the club at an increased price?

Rfcstu. Ime not sure how that would work, as the club would obviously order less tops if nobody was buting them, ie Ashley can't say right there's a million shirts, if the club has not got the customers to buy them, surely, commen sense that is.

27 Jan 2015 20:19:14
Sorry to see wee Nacho banned from training with the club he loves. we are being shamed again by Ashley and his puppet board, if they try and sign Ched Evans, I will never set foot in Ibrox again. I hope that's just a bit of mixing by Scotlands awful press. seriously we are a shambles, on and off the park. it breaks my heart.

Although not a fan of ex players hanging about murray park, what was the reason they banned nacho??

Wee Nacho is one of us through and through and wants what is best for Rangers, he would probably have done it anyway even if he knew they would ban him. That's what REAL Rangers men do, they put the club first! something that has been sadly lacking at Rangers in recent years. Hopefully DK and 3 Bears will win the boardroom battle and sanity will prevail.

27 Jan 2015 17:39:50
So wee nacho has been banned from using the facilities & training with the first and booted out of Murray park his crime he joined fans group Rangers First just shows what sort of people sorry bar stewards the board are.
r. f

Hopefully more fans sign up to Rangers First and get our club back.

Rf. I also see an mp is asking whether Ashley is a fit and proper person to be running our club, as him and his henchmen have done sweet fanny Adams for the clubs benefit, mp spoke out side parliament today, ideal way to let lots of people see his point,

{Ed039's Note - Politicians are not allowed to really get involved in association football, FIFA really do not like that)

Ed ime not saying mp should get involved, after all he is just giving his opinion,

{Ed039's Note - I dont think it is so much to do with Rangers either than it is for the folk in his constitution in Ayrshire being made redundant from one of Ashleys business that went into administration and being bought by another of his subsidiary companies

Ed I've posted bits and bobs about his shop closing and opening shenanigans though I think that things happening at our club is what has most people starting to pay a bit of attention to Ashley, what I mean is loads and loads of people will not know about the shops in Ayrshire compare to what the same owner is doing at our club

Ed in responce to mp speaking out against Ashley, I see tomorrow's headlines saying mp thinks Ashley should have to go to Houses of Parliament, to explain his movements in re rangers fc, though it's in the dr.

Mp demands Ashley should be brought to h. o. p. to explain his involvment at ibrox.

27 Jan 2015 09:18:05
well the wages are paid the board are poistering thereselves even talk of signings but would fellow bears think of signing ched evans in his position his wages would not be a fortune

{Ed039's Note - The club is enough of a laughing stock without taking on the footballs most hated man. In my personal opinion I do think he should be able to get on with his career, but it is difficult for any club to take him on. Its a controversial subject but that it just my opinion)

27 Jan 2015 17:10:21
I didn't want goody under any circumstances, having read the details of that case, we certainly don't need this guy, we can't afford anymore scandal, and probably didn't afford his wages either, just as well, or this board would have no qualms about it, and they will be deciding any deals,

Sick joke to even think of that big wull

Behave yourself.

You are correct Ed039, we have enough difficulties without adding another one. I had a difference of opinion with Ed001 recently on this matter but, at the end of the day, this is not the time.
However, prior to the game on Sunday we need freshened up, so a couple of loan signings from Newcastle just might be the tonic we need. Desperate times, so desperate measures and all that.
I see Sunday as a damage limitation job, but given the fact that they are poor, anything is possible.

{Ed039's Note - Ched Evans is a sensitive subject, and everyone is entitled to their opinion on it but its a difficult one)

We were willing to sign david goodwillie with a case hanging over him ched evans would give us some pace up front as opposed to the static kris boyd evans should be allowed to carry on with his career as far as I could find out he is being allowed to appeal this would not happen unless he had grounds to appeal I may be wrong about the appeal

If the people trying to ruin our club sign this guy, they will see what total boycott, and hatred means.

27 Jan 2015 19:47:13
There's a difference he was convicted mate get a life as a man with a wife n 2 daughters u can't have someone with that against his name at your club no 1 will touch him unless he was to win the appeal even then it mite still be a struggle for him

{Ed039's Note - Ryan, you are right there, even if his conviction is deemed unsafe, I still dont think he will be able to get his career back on track)

Ryan I think like yourself on this one mate I also have two daughters, I think he will need to go to somewhere like china, the same thing happened recently in scotland, footballer flashing to youngster on skipe? He is also finished in our wee country, as far as football is concerned,

27 Jan 2015 15:29:32
Today's announcement really comes as no surprise as after Ashtray was given exlusivity for 35 days to use Ibrox and MP as security he was the only show in town. There was nothing left which the 3 bears could use as security. What is concerning is the restructured Rangers Retail deal and security over the Trademarks. how can the board even remotely state this is in the interest of the club. The fans need to stick together and support DKs motions at the EGM and hopefully the damage can start being undone.

27 Jan 2015 17:01:56
Guys, ed, I have a relative with good press contacts, he told me he was told today that Ashtray has no interested in owning Rangers, only the merchandising deals, the ones he agreed with the Yorkshire kipper, he has gave the club 10 mill, immediately taking back his 3 mill, so 7 available apparently, that smug horrible little creature Somers, who just looks like ashtrays pet puppy, is on sky telling us how great is to get some money into the club? These people think we lived on giros before now? He ran away when asked how the club can prosper while constantly paying back loans, and Larry the llambias nearly dragged him in the door, it was pathetic stuff, Ashtray will hand the club over to King when he has everything tied up, I have no doubt about that, worry is will it be worth anything,, maybe a court case to find any criminality in the deals?

Tommy if the king can't do anything with regards the retail and logo stuff, it means that anybody buying any of Ashley's tatty goods is not supporting the club, they are supporting the robbers, IMHO.

Well it probably won't hurt him too much but I will never buy anything which has any connection to SD.

27 Jan 2015 13:58:12
i know ill be in the minority but i'm glad the board has gone with ashley, this man has serious wealth and is smarter and richer than king and the 3 bears put together. I genuinely believe he is thinking long term and wants rangers to be hugely succesful on the pitch and off. when the time is right he will flog newcastle and concentrate fully on us. why would any supporter not want a multi billionaire backing their club, so what if he makes money long term, as long as he puts some back to ensure silverware and champions league football every year every ones a winner, which he will do. the easdales are small potatos not even worth worrying about. rangers are going to be giants again and I can't wait. thank you e. pierson darlington loyal

Read your post and have to disagree with you on this one. Mike Ashley is only out for himself, if he was willing to do the right thing look at how his loans are structured. If he was doing it to help out he wouldn't have the deals structured where he gets 75% of any income generated, how is that putting money in?? If the deals were better for the club itself we wouldn't need his loans, wake up for God sake

27 Jan 2015 14:50:10
Deluded mate get the ASHLEY soap cleaned out your ears

27 Jan 2015 15:11:54
Oorpie just like he did with Newcastle? Come on mate waken up go read the NEwcastle forums they have gone backwards under his tensure since Ashley took over on sales to purchases ration they have made a £40M profit in selling players and not replacing them. Why on earth would you think Rangers would be different?? With Ashley we will never get answers to what's gone on, We will never be told what is going on. If you want to burry your head in the sand and hope for the best your welcome to, but those with a brain who truely see the implications of Ashley owned and run Rangers know what's coming and we will fight it of rthe good of our club.

Oorpie

Mate I have a family friend stuck in Thailand but he is due to inherit 55milions in golden spanish dubloons from a relative that was a Pirate and a good mucker of Bluebeard. They promised to leave all the treasure on their wee island to my 'friend's great-great-grandad and he has a copy of the map in a safe deposit box in London. If you can just send him 5,000,000,000 thai bhat (thats about 930 pounds mate) he will split the 55million with you and the easter bunny okay?

I am assuming you believe him as he is a nice guy and he promises me it is all dead true.

Good luck I wish you well in your new fortune I only wish I was as daft. sorry wish I had 5 Squillion bhat as I would send him it masell!

Oh his name is Juan Bornivriminet, Phuktivakno, Thailand.

i am george

IAG
Superb mate, keep it up and you can be the next Andy Cameron.

OP: Just why would a multi-billionnaire want a club to own he has no loyalty to, especially when he already has a club with much greater potential if he would just loosen his wallet a bit?
Have to disagree with your reading of the situation. There's no money to be made in Scottish football.

27 Jan 2015 16:46:58
Is the op been on the sauce maybe big mike is paying him

Oorpie,
You can pull your heid out your arse an u might be able to read what people are saying. Newcastle are a selling club now. Nae ambition in prem, europe or even cups. He's no want to take us over to win the champions league, he wants sports direct on tv in europe that's all he's in it for. Newcastle make aywhere between 60-100 million in prem depending on the finish position just from being in that leauge, no other income added to that like sponsors, transfers or merchandise. Their pish so say 60-75 million, he'd mane more money sitting mid table that he would way us winning it. Their making a profit every year an he's spending F**K ALL. So he's no gonny turn us into the next chelsea or man city, the quicker people like u realise this the quicker these clowns leave.

{Ed039's Note - Where the hell does everyone keep getting this "he wants Sports Direct in Europe" crap from, the advertising for all European matches are all official advertisers of the tournament, so for his brand to be on TV on European nights he would need to do a deal with UEFA and not Rangers)

Last time a looked most of the teams in the comp had a different sponsor on their strip. Its clear he's no in it to turn us into a good team. To get newcastle in it he'd have to spend an he's hoping to get us on cheap, or for nothing to it. Cost a lot less than getting them there. what's your take on it then? what's his plan if its no for using his billion pound buisness.

{Ed039's Note - But his companys logo is not on the shirts? It would be cheaper for him and less time consuming if he just provided us with a shirt sponsor then)

Exactly ed he wants the retail stuff, oops slight mistake he has the retail, and logo right, and will keep them until he is removed, even then they will only be taken from him if fraudulent, or he is good enough to sell us the contracts back.

No yet its no. But he's in it for himself so anything can happen. Like a said he's no gonny make us like chelsea or man city, its awe about him an making money off us. Why would he want to payout to sponsor us when he can rip us off an get it for free. Craig whyte got slated for no actually putting money into the club. Has ashley? The money he's putting up on loans is money made from strips an merchandise from greens dodgy deals. Few month ago we needed 8 million to get to may. He picked up 7.7 million and we got 590k. Playing way other peoples money like whyte. Be the same way awe his deals since 70 odd million went missing. he's lending us our own money.

Jim. I said the same thing on here a couple of years ago, they are using the money they have fecked us for over the years,

27 Jan 2015 11:58:42
Surely the MA deal is not in the best interests of the shareholders. I'm sure the 3 bears did not want what has been given away. Can shareholders take legal action against the decidion

Bigals the board took Ashley's loan instead of a better loan from the three bears, because the three bears are voting them out, come the e. g. m.

27 Jan 2015 10:13:45
ED can we try to calm people down on the loan situation today.

We all knew it was going to be ashley so why the surprise?

ANY and I include the 3 Bears in this, any lender would ask for at least MP as security. ffs Brian Kennedy was asking for Ibrox floating security for his wee 3million pound loan (why do you think he was on saying ashley hould make it on basis Ibrox can only be used by Rangers that was his condition)

The only important issue here is when the 5million is paid or at worst 10million if we use that by time EGM, that all securities are released, including the retail deal and also removing the temporary 2 Directors.

The 3 Bears and King were going to have to put 10million to 16million anyway if they were in power now! Seriously it is really simple bears the money was needed to pay bills, obviously we want that as we need to get to an EGM to get rid of them

When the new board are in place their 10million or 16million gets rid of the money Ashley put in and that includes the 3million as they are actually wiping that with the first 5million they draw down from ashley.

Nothing has changed here - win the EGM - throw out board - pay the debts and all securities are released. Then Rangers belongs to King and the Bears plus us Fans

People need to stop panicing and saying "thats ift for me now" as NOTHING has changed, the EGM is the only important thing now.

i am george

27 Jan 2015 10:26:02
I am George : here's the thing I think the deal has us tied up in knots as far as the egm goes, if you think about " the right to appoint 2 directors to the board" for duration of loan well king, 3 bears or whoever can't pay the loan until there on board and now the can't remove his men from board for duration of loan surely if now they tried to vote them off they would be breaching the terms of the loan, so I think we're stuffed my friend
r. f

27 Jan 2015 10:59:30
I think we have the right to go nuts about this deal we are shafted more retail to ashley another 2 directors that can not be removed at agm 5 million up front 3 mill goes back to ashley 2 million goes on wages and bonuses no doubt so why the ten million this board sayet they needed this now but ashley will decide when we get it desperate all this the sfa are sitting back and watching doing nout as usall a blind man can see ashley is running rangers to sum this up ashley got retail car park edmiston house training complex more directors yet people still think he good for rangers wake up and smell the coffee if things don't change for the good the club are going lose a lot fans full time cause people are sick of what's going on no change equallys no fans

We are getting a loan of 5 million initially, to pay back the 3 million loan to the guy we are getting the new loan from, he's like a loan shark, only bigger and nastier.

RF --- my reasoning would be that if the EGM goes ahead and the Three Bears and King, plus their supporters win the day, the present board would immediately be swept away and the new regime would then be in power.

George - something not right here m8, that's twice in two weeks I have had to agree with you,

I wish Ashley would give us another loan - of 3 or 4 decent players from now to the end of the season!!

JG

Rf

No we are not!

The 4 board removed and Kings men in place is first move. Immediately they will pay off the loans which as the terms of the loans clearly state results in the 2 temporary Directors immediately being removed they are merely there as supervisory agents as to what the 10million is being used for, on ashley behalf.

It is as I said crystal clear - EGM vote win then 4 ashley stooges out, then the day the take their places on the board they use the funding that they have in place we know already (4 Bears 5/8.5million and King 16million) is transferred to ashley ie SD at which point the terms of the loan are exacted ie removal of ALL securities, 2 Directors will leave and all other "deals" are cancelled such as the Retail deal and Trade mars etc

I have read and re read the terms and there are no clauses or penalties involved.

Please trust me on this

i am george

1 am george your quite right the only bit that's a wee bit hard is the two directors which if money repaid they are off what I want is some of the money used to bring in new manager because I still say hearts can be caught but we need better tactics and k macdowall still in charge is nothing short of farcical because the guy heart is not in the job nor does he have the ability no other club in the world would operate this way let's hope the e g m goes the way we want then we can plan further ahead than the end of the season the one gripe I have at the minute with the three bears and king have not made any statements as what there position is or what there objectives would if they win at e g m

27 Jan 2015 13:51:31
Two things R.F if King wins the EGM he will pay off the loan to see the back of Ashley and his men. 2. The SFA agreement has been breached again as 2 representitives of Sports Direct can be appointed to the board. So either the SFA serve notice of their removal or sanctions/licence suspension or they are gone at the EGM Ashley gets his money and his men are booted out. What the board have done is suicide because Three Bears will now back King to the hilt at the EGM and they were already offering similar money for the same control. All the board have done is saved their own jobs for a few more weeks. The only thing Ashley can do now is up his share stake to secure the EGM however again he would have breached the SFA agreement, yet he will own the club but he's not daft he knows the crowds will stay away, shirt sales will fall. All that Ashley has done today is made sure any loans offered he's gets his money back to protect and increase his Rangers Retail interests.

The end is nigh for this board.

Bears simply put you need to acceptthat the EGM and ashley loan it goes hand in hand, they were NEVER taking loan off anyone lse, see my previous post weeks ago about Bad Faith Negotiations, this board employ this tactic everytime. As in they enter negotiations appearing to be open to any offers equally with zero intention other than their own coice ashley.

Knowing that as we all did we have to just bite the bullet be thankful Ibrox is free of secrity and that when the EGM result goes as expected a King win it doen't matter what crap they are up to loans wise as they will be paid off with the funding King and the Bears have in place then it is bye bye ashley and these persons on the board.

The only thing left to do is terminate ashleys dodgy kit contracts or if impossible then boycott ashleys stores until the contract runs out. Buying red and black not SD kit to benefit the team.

Ashley and the board are on a train wreck to disaster and this is their last stand praying EGM vote is cancelled they can do nothing else.

Count the days down approx 5 weeks and it will all be over if I am wrong please feel free to slag me off in 5 weeks on here.

I am also certain a new honest board will refinance Rangers with a share issue diluting current shares and especially ashleys 9% as King despises him and I am sure the 3 Bears will feel the same after the bad faith negotiations they have just suffered.

Fans will be given the chance to, with King and Bears, own 51% of our club. I also think that there will be legal moves put in place to guarantee that forevermore Ibrox can never be subject to the whims of persons such as our board and ashley. I hope it is done in the name of the 66.

RTID board OUT ashley BOYCOTT

i am george

Is it just me that suspects MA still has a few cards up his sleeves and is a step ahead of DK and the Three Bears?

As for the SFA taking action on MA, what action can they really take? They cannot stop him buying as many shares as he likes, okay they can fine him but that is as far as they will likely go and he can afford that easily enough, any real action taken against him will see fat Mike get his highly paid shark lawyers to run rings around them until the incompetent SFA have no money to pursue any court action any longer.

And remember, Ashley is only technically involved in the holding company rather than the club.

27 Jan 2015 15:15:32
The SFA can strip the clubs licence to play NAZ leaving the club with no league to play in, shares would crash and the club would be worthless, even if that happened by the time an appeal was heard the damage would be done. The SFA hold the Aces in getting rid of Ashley for good,.

27 Jan 2015 16:11:16
@ I am George cheers for your answer mate hope for all our sakes your right.
r. f

Rf

I will run naked backwards round Ibrox with a 2lb chicken tied to my dauber and singing - "I'm a pure Deluded Fanny" to the tune of Yankee Doodle Dandy if King loses the EGM

i am george

11. ) The SFA would never dare do that and MA knows it.

27 Jan 2015 18:20:37
CHEERS I am George lol king better win now don't fancy seeing you do that! I would feel sorry for the chicken lol
r. f

I am George A live chicken, lol it wouldn't matter mate it would not happen, cause tis mob will be removed at or after the. g. m.

Kerrymac I think when the e. g. m. is in motion the current board members resign, then it's up to the shareholder to re employ them or give there position to another.

27 Jan 2015 09:20:21
why don't we sell murray park ourselves for all the good its doing we could get more than 10 mill I am sure

27 Jan 2015 09:38:56
Why would we? Its better to have a training ground that not to have one. The issue is get the current board out and consign Ashley to being a shareholder only. It'll all happen in time. The EGM will cleanse this but the current incumbants will cause as much destruction as possible while they are there.

Look at the destruction that Craig Whyte caused in his short tenure. Could this all be a game to place the club in administration again with Ashley the main creditor? His ego will go to any lengths to win this battle.

Make them train at the parks across from ibrox or at a local sports centre they play like amateurs so they should be treated like amatuers. take them to guillaine

27 Jan 2015 08:45:42
lets hope the 3 bears come out and have their say on what can only be described as a shocking bit of business by the current board. So they don't give away ibrox but everything else including the badges, now that ashley owns 75% of our retail where is the money going to come from to pay him back?? Let's hope we hear something from the 3 bears on what they had offered and in exchange for what? Surely better than what's been accepted, best interest of shareholders I don't think.
It's time all bears joined the Rangers first or rst and work together to get them out.
Total boycott required, no merchandise and no buying tickets

I agree total boycott is needed.

Mcc the knife the boycott won't happen mate, cause there are still some people that think Ashley is good for our club pfft