Rangers Banter Archive June 27 2012

27 Jun 2012 21:44:12
it's too late now for bomber to get a takeover through In time, if it's gonna happen it needs to happen now to give us time to get ready for new season. If it happens in a month or so I fear that there won't be a rangers in any shape or form in any league period! That cannot happen!! Green has been straight talking so far and not lying about his plans. He offered smith etc the chance to get involved and even offered smith a board position! I really don't think he has anything to hide. If green does the due dilligience to ensure there is a rangers in football nxt season a takeover may well happen in a few months. I just think this is splitting the fans and we need unity just now, the legends have the best interests at heart but they need to realise this could detail the club completely out of football

Ps my season ticket is bought!

RTID
J

Good on you mate,mines bought as well,lets get behind him

27 Jun 2012 21:03:35
Well i heard other teams talk about us, I heard those teams put us down.
I hope those teams will remember a Rangers man dont need them around anyhow.
Sweet home Glasgow Rangers where the skies are so blue.Lord im coming home to you.
Skynyrd Blue.

They'll laugh about you because you're going down and they don't need you around, obviously (given the forthcoming no vote).

27 Jun 2012 20:45:06
Hearing that Green has transferred Ibrox, Murray Park and The Albion from Sevco 5088 to Sevco Scotland Ltd for £500k.

Sevco Scotland Ltd now going to sell the assets to a Canadian Pension Fund for £8m.

Anyone hearing similar?

Mac2.

No but it's the kind of transaction we would have expected from him. Even though he said something like this won't happen a few weeks ago. The only way his numbers add up is from a sale-and-lease arrangement on the property.

27 Jun 2012 19:54:56
Sandy jardines comments are unbelievable! If we don't get a fee then how are we supposed to buy players"
Why not contact the boards at hearts and rapid and all the other creditors and ask them what they are doing when they didnt get what they are entitled to. I'll donate a fiver the first time someone connected with this club in a recognised position shows some humility or understanding of the impact this clubs actions have had on others.

OK ex-director Dave King apologized on behalf of Rangers and ex-chief scout John Brown also apologized. So get your fiver donated.

27 Jun 2012 19:00:48
ive got to say im sure of mr green, or his intensions but right now he is the owner.
am i mental to think that walter smith and john browns consortiums together could see off mr green so why not join together or even get on board with the presant owner?
mr green, we need answers
the tiger

27 Jun 2012 18:41:34
Is there any truth in the protest down at Ibrox tonight? Bit late for that is it not

John1glasgow

It's been on since 7. Roads surrounding have been shut off. It's busy

It's defo true, there was 10,200+ plus there

Who are they protesting to ? And what about ?

Minus the ten k mate,lucky if there was 200 there at half seven.

A couple of hundred, leaderless, motiveless, rained out, thoughtless.

I live on PRW and popped round, you'd be lucky if it hit 1000 in total. Disappointing turn out; sums us up. Easy to mouth off at a keyboard - but any real work? Leave it to the others.

27 Jun 2012 17:36:17
just got email saying rangers were taking session ticket money from my account on 6 july

i have not renewed my session ticket yet they are using information from last session you have to email or write to this to cancel any one get one

27 Jun 2012 17:23:51
Rangers� takeover consortium has hived off Ibrox and Murray Park to a separate new company.

Sevco Scotland Limited has applied to the Registers of Scotland for the title deeds for the stadium and the training ground Murray Park, as well as the Albion car park, to be disposed to it.

The company, whose sole director is Charles Green, is separate from the 'newco' that was due to receive the club�s assets as previously identified by administrators Duff and Phelps.

According to proposals sent out to creditors owed £124m by the club, the new business entity that would hold the assets of the club was Sevco 5088 Limited, established by London law firm Field Fisher Waterhouse, which is advising Mr Green�s consortium on the takeover.

Sevco Scotland Limited, which was incorporated on May 29, made applications to transfer the title deeds of the property on June 15, the day after Mr Green held a media conference at Ibrox with the consortium�s 'financial adviser', Imran Ahmad, where he announced the purchase of the club�s assets had gone ahead.

The asset sale to a newco came after the proposed company voluntary arrangement (CVA) offer to creditors, funded by an £8.5m loan from Sevco, was rejected by HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC).

According to the title deeds lodge with the Registry of Scotland, the floating charge transferred to previous owner Craig Whyte is still outstanding over the Murray Park training ground in Auchenhowie Road, Milngavie. However, it is unclear if this would have any impact on Sevco's ownership of the facility, while Duff and Phelps have previously stated there was no debt associated with the charge.

The standard security granted to the Scottish Sports Council over the training ground, created in 2002, is also still active according to the registry, but again it is unclear if it would have any bearing over Sevco's purchase.

Under the purchase of the club�s assets outlined by Duff and Phelps, Green�s consortium were to put £5.5m into Rangers FC plc, before the property and other assets were transferred to the newco, Sevco 5088.

The relationship between the two Sevco companies is currently unclear, while Mr Green is also listed as the sole director of another business entity called RFC 2012 Limited, which was incorporated last Thursday, June 21.

It's Craig whyte all over again. Anybody still doubts it's all about the assets then mabe this will change their mind. Buying a season ticket is a no no, we must get the old tramp out now.

You are a fool, green has not told one lie and has spoke more to the media/fans groups in a month than whyte did in 9 months!! If we divide the fans it will jut make things worse. Do you honestly think bomber or smith or whoever can bu y the club and get everything sorted before the start of the season?? We will be looking at a season out of the game altogether!

27 Jun 2012 16:34:43
Any news on Green getting the paperwork ready for SFA membership registration/transfer of the newco for Friday?
If not, this player exodus issue will be playing right up his street.
Might not have had asset stripping in mind but if you can't do that, next best thing sell the property, no difference still make money.
Player exodus distracting everyone from getting the newco registered. Just a thought.

27 Jun 2012 16:26:30
Well done to Kyle button on staying with us. A very promising young player who will flourish in the future

27 Jun 2012 16:09:23
when we think about it why should so many people be surprised that players are starting to move on because we all know that footballers are all gready. lots of them get paid thousands per week with bonuses and they have agents who are allso out to make themselfs a fortune too.

they make the excuse they have a short career, but who would want a long career if we could get thousands per week for playing a game we love.

i for one would love to work till my mid 30's with all that money behind me.

the bottom line is 99.9% of players move on to better clubs expecting more money.... very few do it for less so to expect them to stay should not be a surprise at all. and the honest people who answer that would do the same.

I would say its more about Player Agents and their wish to get a big cut for themselves and their clients(the players).There is little to no player loyality towards their Clubs nowdays no matter which team you support. A lot of the clubs have only themselves to blame for that considering the way they treated their players in past years when the boot was on the other foot .

All these players have said they wont move over to Greens mob . NONE of them have signed for any other club yet///// Maybe just maybe they are forcing Charlie boy to sell up to real Rangers people. Please god include JIM McCOLL in any future consortium . sausage bear

Spot on, there is NO loyalty in football now, it's all about money. You certainly can't blame agents though, that's what they do! I'm not sure, but when was the last time either old firm teams had a testimonial for a player?

27 Jun 2012 15:49:19
Do u think all players being told to leave on the quiet,So as green sells to Walters consortium and we'll be Rangers again

You'll never be Rangers again - when will you realise this? I bet you hope if Sir Cardigan takes over (big if) all the players will come back lol

27 Jun 2012 15:37:46
Not made up:

Duff & Phelps wins UK - Corporate Restructuring Advisor of the Year

Jun 27 2012
Duff & Phelps, a leading global financial advisory and investment-banking firm, has been awarded UK - Corporate Restructuring Advisor of the Year at the recent ACQ Finance Magazine Global Awards 2012.

The award winners were selected following nominations from readers of the magazine, who assess the quality of service received rather than the size of billings.

Paul Clark, Partner, Duff & Phelps, stated: �The awards highlight outstanding performers across the professional services spectrum and celebrate the best advisors working across the world � as identified by the readers of ACQ Finance Magazine. It is a real achievement for us to be recognised, not only locally, but also on a global scale by our peers, and one in which our entire team can take great pride�.

The award win follows Duff & Phelps� recognition at the ACQ Finance Magazine Country Awards in 2011, where it was awarded �Turnaround and Restructuring Advisory Firm of the Year� UK and �Debt Advisory Firm of the Year� UK for the second year running.

The ACQ Awards are presented across 49 different geographical regions, recognising organisations and advisors that have performed to exceptional levels over the past year. Since its launch, the Global Awards have grown in stature and importance becoming a focal point of the M&A community�s calendar.

Source - Company press release

27 Jun 2012 15:20:54
ITS CLEAR none of us Rangers fans have the support for Green.
Mr Green, you are not wanted, you and D&P have killed our club and now you have led us to the lowest we will ever come to. £5M for a CVA with £50 debt was nerv gonna work was it? the whole pathetic CVA offer was a smoke screen so you could appear to the rangers fans to be trying to save our club, but all this time all you wanted to do was pick up the assests worth more than £100m (Players, stadium, training park, car park) for the cheapest price.

Shamefull, disgusting, pathetic. I will never buy into my club as long as you are about green. Do the right thing, sell to the people who are the club, and take ur death-like stagger somewhere else

Ok mate but ask yourself a question - where were the people who are the club, your words, a few months ago when D&P were looking for buyers. no where or making stupid offers less than that of Green or else they would have had control not him

JG

JG

Forget this 100m nonsense.Murray valued it at that price to keep the overdraft.At a guess: Murray park;5-8m depending on planning permission(extremely difficult area to attain) The Albion;2-5m and Ibrox; Depends on what the buyers plans are,lets say 6-10m. 23m in total,at best i think is realistic.

Mr Green has destroyed the club? He was the only one that put ANYTHING on the table, wither you like it or not he now owns the "new rangers". Why not try giving him some support

You say none of the fans support him, I for one do. Without his offer for the CVA there was no offer, so whatever he offered was better than Smith, Brown, the fans or anyone else. He might not be perfect but when we needed someone, anyone, he was there. He's put himself in the firing line and he's being shot at by supposed fans who haven't given him a chance. If he gets us in any league and stabilises the club before selling it then I will be delighted. If he doubles his money in doing so, good luck to him!

Grant

27 Jun 2012 15:06:06
Perhaps a reason why your club is in trouble?
In tonights Evening Times..
Rangers fans will protest tonight
at Ibrox...
Rangers Media....
Why tonight? the football is on and
it is pi$hing it down outside....
Timalloy

Well it shows we still have a sense of humour :-) Rangersmedia is full of wind-up merchants that try and put a smile on our faces even in our deepest times

27 Jun 2012 15:00:57
WHEN we return to the SPL in 4 years from now none of these players who have left should ever be allowed back, if even one is allowed to resign I will chuck it there and then, any thoughts fellow bears?

Why, because they wanted stability for themselves and their families?

They could have at least got the club some transfer money

27 Jun 2012 14:42:23
Hi. Leeds fan here. I'd just like to know your opinions on flecks playing ability cos I heard we were interested. And I'd like to offer my sympathy having suffered a similiar situation a while back. I know it's painful but without the ups and downs, then the rollercoaster of supporting a football club would be boring.

Fleck is an ok player, problembis he got over hyped at a young age ala burchill,miller,et al so had a bit of a big head, makes poor decisions during game, but decent shot.

Pistol

At least Leeds never had the indignity of liquidation and seeing their club die. Good luck mate I hope you get back in the english PL next season.

You understand our pain, tell me did you experience the same hatred and desire to drive you to extinction from other fans during Leeds time of difficulty. Its beyond belief to see the two teams who fought a memorable battle of britian, in the positions we are in now

As for Fleck i am undecided, we shipped him out on loan as his performances during the last two seasons were well below par but i dont know if he made an impression at Blackpool or not

JG

Well he was a great player for his age up untill he got big money when he was 17 after that I can't think of any game where he did much dropped out of first team played odd game as a sub went to Blackpool hardly played there out of all the players who have left he is one we won't miss :;cooperboy

Hi Leeds fan i personally wouldn,t recommend him average at best.He hasn,t progressed since he broke into the team as a youngster,I think his head needs sorting perhaps being away from glasgow may help.

Your not offending anyone mate there is plenty of others trying to though, john fleck is hard one for us to answer for you as he has never really played for us. A few games here and there which he didnt stand out in never given a run in his natural position. I dont doubt the boy has ability as too much hype surrounded him when he was young i think its more a question of getting consistency out of that ability. If you do get him i hope he turns out a success for you but doubt he is a new snodgrass for you.

Thanks everyone. Well it seems as if from what you said he's not worth the pennies that we have. and to no. 3 I'm not trying to offend you it's just that I assumed that morale was pretty low so I was just trying to reassure you that everything will turn out fine. And thanks for not jumping down my throat just because I'm a leeds fan, tends to happen a lot among English clubs

27 Jun 2012 14:34:49
Sandy Jardine moaning that they had a deal with the players who have walked away and now the club gets nothing! Is this clown for real? What about the deals the club had with Hearts and Rapid Vienna to name but 2 who got nothing! I am absolutely astonished by the double standards and hypocrisy from this idiot!!

Guys a clown why is he still around giving quotes?

Ten players altogether worth 15 million with transfer fees would have paid off easy clubs we owed money too instead we get jacksh+t

Mr Jardine is not the brightest light coming into this . He is so anti everyone but Rangers, he cant see Murray Park for the Green? In fact it was on his say so that good money may have been wasted getting the pitch re done? if he is left in charge of anyones money be expecting it to go same fashion. As for his remarks on players he should be made to apologise ASAP or again he and others like him will be making Rangers a laughing stock.

27 Jun 2012 14:31:17
This whole saga just goes from bad to worse, I'm at the point I'm scared to even look online for fear of what's coming next. There isn't a club in Scotland who will be happy to have us play in their league and who could honestly blame them, we are guilty of moral, financial & most probably criminal activities yet still not one person involved with the club has uttered a single word of apology. Even in our darkest hour the arrogance being shown is breathtaking. If we had shown some remorse at the start we could've had the chance to start again in division 3 and make an honest decent attempt to try to gain promotion and hopefully one day return to the spl a new club with our heads held high knowing we did it the right way but those bridges have been burnt too so god knows where this will leave us. With regard to the players who are leaving, they made an honest sacrifice in our time of need and they were rewarded by being ignored and shown the same arrogance we've unfortunately become famous for so I don't blame any for leaving. We can't honestly expect quality internationalists to play in the lower leagues, they deserve to showcase their talents and make their money for the rest of what is a very short career. Of course it's a shame losing the big names but the two I'm most disappointed with losing are McCabe and ness, under better circumstances we could have been looking at two potential future captains but once again we can't complain - these are talented boys and it's not fair to hold them back!

It is nice to read something that is written with common sense in mind for a change.

Well done m8.

Exactly who at Rangers would you like to come out and apologise for the mess we find ourselves in.You can't blame Greens consortium so who?.

I have never read such a load of crap. You tell me what moral, financial, and criminal activity you engaged in when supporting the rangers. i will tell you now what i was involved in - none, zilch, totally Sweet FA, and another thing, who do you think it is that is currently associated with our club who needs to step forward and apologise, green? what did he do to get us in this mess, you may have missed this but the guilty parties have left the building. We fans have nothing to apologise for mate, get real and stop listning to all the hateful propoganda being thrown at us from all sides, Sporting integrity my ass, now stop grovelling around get your head back up and get behind anyone who can save us from extinction

rant over but "supporters" like you are making me mad right now

JG

27 Jun 2012 14:27:29
Is it possible that we may be looking at
at a Third lanark or Gretna situation.

27 Jun 2012 14:08:41
Rangers appeal to the SFA to reintroduce the Tennents sixes and announce their team for the tournament.
1) Jig
2) Big Lee
3) McCulloch
4) Wee Lee
5) Wallace
6) That guy we owe Hearts money for.

Rangers wouldn't get invited and Celtic is too busy in Europe.
Too many injuries in the sixies.

27 Jun 2012 13:58:48
Fans stage Ibrox protest

THOUSANDS of Rangers' fans will tonight stage a protest outside Ibrox Stadium to demand answers about the future of the club.

Led by the Union Bears and The Blue Order, two supporters' groups, it is the first demonstration directly targeting the club's new chief executive Charles Green.

And it comes as former Ibrox stars urged fans not to buy season tickets from the Rangers newco.

Several Rangers' legends, including Brian Laudrup, Jorg Albertz and Lorenzo Amoruso and former vice-chairman Donald Findlay, QC, are backing a plan by another ex-Ibrox star, John Brown, to lead a fans' buy-out.

It is understood Brown will attend tonight's protest.

A message on internet social networking site Facebook said the demonstration was being called due to "the rapid deterioration of the situation our club finds itself in".

It added: "the Union Bears, The Blue Order and all fans will be holding a protest outside Ibrox at 7pm. We demand answers from Mr Green immediately. The situation is critical and we as fans must act ... now. We need as many fans as possible.

"Rangers currently have not applied to the SFA for a football licence and only have to Friday to do so. Charles Green has no money and is going to asset strip."

Mark Dingwall, of the Rangers Supporters' Trust, said: "I think it's a natural expression of the fans' concerns about the direction of the club, in particular how we will retain as many high quality players as possible.

I would be very wary of upsetting this guy Green.Remember if he wants to,he could put the whole lot up for sale.Will he even be there at 7 pm?

Why protest now?should have been months ago.ask yourself why more fans protested outside ibrox when mo johnston signed then compare how many appeared when administration was being announced....as a fan base the rangers support cannot be taken seriously tbh.

Thousands more will be watching spain v Portugal . why because the remotely intelligent oldco fans know the gig is up and have no intrest in the newco ,fab1

Good lord, the union bears and the blue order. Although i have supported rangers since the sixties, it is this edge to the club that I and the rest of scottish football have come to detest. Lets get rid of the heritage of the old club and start afresh with an inclusive progressive club that does not set out to discriminate.

27 Jun 2012 13:44:16
The problem with Mr Green is,he treats players as stock,he naively expected just to inherit the whole playing staff,then sell the most valuable to raise funds to maintain the club financially ,and we are going nowhere fast,no league,no players ,infighting with potential investors,and little or no hope of survival,it is unfolding into as absolute disaster.I Really fear we could be without a league to play in.

How can you say that? You don't know what was in his mind.
Ally believed he wanted to retain all the players, pay them their rate and play in SPL that was his plan. Give him a break nasty people.

27 Jun 2012 13:34:01
If we are fortunate enough to get into a league ( div 1 or Div 3 ) why not trade as "Govan Rangers " ?

It's where we play and it keeps the roots identity. The history has been sealed away as just that, but if we can start again, at least we can keep our heads high which is more than can be said for the tax dodgers and con-men.

What about Glasgow Rangrrs? Glasgow Rangers was only used amongst the fans, I don't think it was ever a registered company name....or am I wrong:S?

TTG

27 Jun 2012 13:19:25
The players not wanting to transfer to NEWCO might be doing us a good turn, as it might help to push Green out quicker. TBH we cant afford to keep them if we are in the 1st or 3rd division anyway. We need Green out and Rangers people in, we then need to make sure we have a team good enough to win whatever divsion we are in, meaning our wage bill would be so low that the club would run in the black, whilst climbing up the divisions we improve the team as we go. Whilst we follow this plan to the letter we from day 1 start a joint season ticket and share issue, say 40,000 season tickets at a fixed price of £400 per each of next 3 seasons payed by direct debit over 2 years, which is £1,200 and say add another £300 which would be the shares part of the deal. So this would be a total of £1,500 which is about £15 per week (small price to pay to save our club years of hurt). Thats 40,000 tims £1,500. which is £60 million in the bank for our return to spl minus low running costs of about 2 to 3 million for eacjh of those 2 years. With non season ticket holders also buying shares and with contributions from the gers money men, who knows even 70 to 80 million. simples and not in the slightest far fetched, unless people think giving up £15 per week is far fethed that is.

Good points and very hard to argue with........green jhedi

40000 tims or times?? {Ed001's Note - if he can get 40000 tims to pitch money in to save Rangers, then he is a miracle worker!}

LOL my keyboard was playing up, and what a time to do it when i'm typing times.

27 Jun 2012 12:56:48
10 have now refused newco!

Juan Manuel Ortiz and John Fleck have now joined;

Steven Davis, Allan McGregor, Steven Naismith, Steven Whittaker, Jamie Ness, Sone Aluko, Rhys McCabe and Kyle Lafferty

Its great getting rid of all this s**t in the one go

Ortiz too.....................PHEW.

27 Jun 2012 12:24:21
Rangers Supporters should bring Hugh Adam out of retirement, hee seems to have been the only Rangers Director who done things in the best interests of the club.

Built our home and is the only honest one of them all

Hang on...wasnt he an ill old man a few months ago when he was telling the truth and you lot refused to believe him.

27 Jun 2012 12:02:45
John Brown wants us to put our money in his bank account so "we" can buy Rangers. haven't we been here before? - Jaxie

Brown was sacked on Monday for collaborating with the Celtic developers. This is him playing the woman scorned. He needs a snickers.

27 Jun 2012 11:58:08
here's a thought lets say walter smith
and others gain control
do some /all of the players
who jumped ship come back
now i'ts only a thought so don't shoot me down
daz shotts

Were a long way away from that scenario most of the players could be snapped up by other clubs before smith and co get another sniff that is of course Green wants to sell which is highly unlikely

27 Jun 2012 11:40:46
this is a bit out the daily record this morning One source said: “There are some players who would be willing to move over to the newco so long as the worst-case scenario next season is playing for Rangers in the First Division.
“But if the club finds itself in the Third Division they would wish to reconsider. But no one at the club is making any effort to talk to them.It’s understood Fleck spent yesterday attempting to contact the club’s management but his calls were not returned.By teatime frustrated Fleck was on the verge of throwing in the towel and could be among a final raft of players to snub Green today this is all part of the mans plan because he ha no money to pay the players so just ingnores them

Players don't speak to the chairman but their manager on all issues. So guess Ally wasn't returning his call.

Green etc will not want to talk to the players because he has done the dirty on all the players by passing over their contracts to NEWCO without speaking to players first. He does'nt want to keep them informed because that would mean they would ask questions about current contracts in respect of wages etc that he can not live upto. In effect he will be making them new offers of what he feels NEWCO can afford and then if they dont agree he will sell them on. Th poor fools who are ready to saty will end up with next to nothing and without a say in matter will get shafted to another club for GREEN ETC GAIN ABSOLUTE SHAMBLES. Some palyers will regret this and ven thye will then hate Gers like everyone else seems to do.

27 Jun 2012 11:04:40
Charles green had a dream to start a football team. He's go no money no players not even a name.....
I also love the optimism of newco fans automatically assuming that if in div 3 it will be promotion after promotion after promotion and within 3 years be back in spl. Let's see how it pans out over next week or two. May not be playing football next season at all

27 jun 2012 10:50:50
this can not go on. new season is here very soon . every day it looks worse. i cant stand the slagging from all other fans. dundee , livingston even airdrie/clydebank fans. dont want to read papers or watch tv. ness and mccabe really has rattled myself. a new backbone for 3rd division . fleck will go next , not herd about alexander might be good for him to stay, wallace has showen he wants to stay , think he will be offered some place not here. jig will stay.hutton , kai naysmith , cole , perry and a few younger boys to stay. americans will all go . goian little and all 1st team players will leave.

So disheartened with how things are panning out,Yes ,i expected us to lose players,and the top paid ones,but to lose the talented kids,Ness,McCabe ,and may be many more ,it is gut wrenching,but at the end of the day,I support the club,players come and go,and if it takes us 5,or more years to get a competitive team on the park,i will follow and back the lads in the blue of Rangers,in its new incarnation,i was born a Ranger,and i will not desert them.

27 Jun 2012 09:44:30
Anybody else sickened by the way these players are rejecting the transfer of their contract? Sure, it's up to them what they do with their playing careers, but Rangers made these players what they are. The least they could do is say "Well I'll accept the transfer of my contract but I want to be sold this summer". Mercenaries.

I honestly think its a tactical move by smiths consortium

You need to think what will happen next season if they stay with newco. With lower income to the club, how many will be sold (or asked to accept lower pay again) anyway? Answer: most of them. Without those guarantees they are rightly taking control of their own destiny.

RANGERS DOES NOT EXIST!

They are being transferred to a new club with no links to the old one, no history, no future...

PLEASE CAN WE ALL WAKE UP TO THIS FACT!

1) if it is a ploy by smith he'd better get his arse in gear and quick or were finished.

27 Jun 2012 08:42:53
A lot of talk going on about a share issue so that the club ends up in the hands of ex rangers fans maybe if you had took the share issue up when you were first offered it some years ago then your club wouldnt have died all we here from dingwall kerr and that clown chris graham is its not the fans fault well they have to shoulder some of the blame they could have invested they chose not to. Tulip

If we had put our money in then we would be in trouble as the ebts have not been dealt with yet
we would have just lost our money
stop putting this on the fans its crooks who have done this

27 Jun 2012 08:00:11
Naismith .ness.Whittaker . Most of the time on treatment table lafferty treatment table and suspended cause the guy is a clown walk about as if he is a hero McCabe rangers gave him his chance this is what he does na does not wash with rangers fans wants to try England well tata now Davies and mcgreger that's the ones we will really miss all the best in the future you 2 ... Kenny bluenose

Good riddance to them all

Yes i agree and especially captain ginger big mouth

27 Jun 2012 02:51:33
mccoll to be fair, has been part of just about every group. he should just buy rangers himself. cut out the middle man

27 Jun 2012 02:10:14
Regards the John Brown consortium. Is it just me or do the "Rangers men" led cavalry keep coming over the hill just AFTER the disasters in this fiasco?
Gaz

27 Jun 2012 01:08:12
Well this has turned into a right nightmare i cant see how we can survive now the hopes of the spl chairmen that we would be back soon are gone i think the newco will fall into administration as well i dont think there will be a rangers in any leagues next year and if that happens how can we keep the club going with no income people are talking about us being suspended for a year how the hell would we survive that you would be as well killing us off now we the fans have done no wrong but we are the ones who are left to see our club go down mr green please think about what you are going to do as the fans are not with you the players are gone we dont trust you so sell to someone who can get the fans back on board but i realy fear for scottish football in five years what player will want to come up here and play even for celtic i hope im wrong Cooperboy

To suspend Rangers for a year, would need another club 'spartans?' to fill the space, where do Rangers go next year then when all spaces are already filled

suspension means extinction

bil72

I'm of the opinion that if Rangers are expelled for a year, for 2013-2014 they will make it 44 teams adding The Rangers and another club. Possibly making it a 14 team SPL (or a 12 and two 16's below it) and in that they will be creating more teams to fight over the same meagre rations, utter insanity. I'm not saying the newco wont be merited, of course it will, but it cant happen currently without another team dropping out next year, so they will add rather than prune at the very time we should be cutting back teams. That said, I don't think it will come to that, Regan seems determined to get Rangers into Division 1 by hook or crook.
Gaz

27 Jun 2012 00:40:41
Got an idea. We are going to div three. The old crocks game against AC showed that some of those that gained with EBTs should be signed at £500 a week. They would piss div three.
They could help repay some of their gains from previous times.

Omg.. stop!

OMG, You have cheered me up with that suggestion, Remember Ally would need to rotate the squad quite ofter so we would have to go back further,maybe John Greig or Chris woods??
The Baw is about burst and we will start again somewhere, it will be a long painful road but we will endure, then we will come back...do you know why?
We are Rangers!
BR

27 Jun 2012 00:17:00
I hate to face up to it but i'm beginning to think that we are dead in the water. No league wants us, and there is very little support coming from the SPL/SFA.

Even sadder, the whole of Scottish football is in the early stages of assisted suicide.

I'm a Rangers fan through and I think that we fans and the young players at Ibrox are all getting a VERY raw deal here. The guilty people are Murray, Whyte. all the directors who knew about the tax dodge, and most of all. the payers who got huge wages without paying much tax. THEY have all collectively killed off the club and have all stuck 2 fingers up to us. I don't particularly blame the players who want away, but c'mon fellas, those of you who were getting £20k can't exactly be suffering, unless of course you are all plain stupid with money. You should have been prepared to hang around until everything has been finalised. You would still get another club during the transfer window if you had to leave.
We the fans, in a way, made you all what you are today, so why are you shi**ing in our faces when we need you most. What kind of team, if any, do you think we are going to be able to field, IF we get into a league ?

Why should the SPL/SFA support you?

OP, I think you answered your own question, "...if we get into a league..".
Also, the fans are showing there disapproval of Green by not buying season tickets, trying to force him out by starving him of income. Is it not double standards then asking the players to stick around so that Green can sell them to bring money in?
Al

Spoting integrity? Games, titles and cups are won and lost on the field of play, through talent, hard work, sweat and sometimes blood. As far as sporting integrity is concerned, the only real factor that should be questioned is, have Rangers, on the field of play, cheated their way to winning so many trophies over the years? The answer to that is no, all these trophies are down to the hard work and talent of the players involved.
Business integrity is the issue here and it all rests with one man, Mr Craig Whyte. It is, purely and simply, down to this man for the current situation with the club. There is a lot of information out there, accessed via the internet, for anyone who wishes to take the time to investigate. The SFA's articles of association, section 10, states that the Board must be satisfied that, in the case of directors etc, that person must be fit and proper to hold such position. It also goes on to state that a person would NOT be deemed as fit and proper should he have been disqualified as a director persuant to the Company Director's Disqualification Act 1986 within the previous five years. Craig Whyte was banned as a director, under this act, from 2000 to 2007. Mr Whyte purchased Rangers in 2011 some FOUR years after being banned as a director. Should the SFA not then be held culpable for not following up on it's own rules as stated above?
As far as EBT's are concerned, they are NOT illegal. Ranger's financial accounts for the years concerned are also available to view online. On every account it states quite clearly that Rangers and the Murray Group operated these trusts for the benefit of certain staff. Does anyone truely believe that the Murray Group just dived headfirst into these schemes? EBT's would have been investigated long and hard, utilising expert knowledge and advice, before being implemented.
Accusations have been made about fielding players that the club could not afford to pay, hence the EBT's. This is again not accurate. Look, if I register a player and provide details of length of contract, etc, and what i'm paying him, can it be construed as illegal that say, I am paying him £100,000 a year, but I pay him £60,000 a year through paye and £40,000 into a trust? At the end of the day, I have still payed that player £100,000 for the year. As to whether or not this breaches SFA articles of association section 12.1 is debateable. And the question has to be asked, if this was illegal, surely at least one responsible player's agent would have objected to this method of payment
As I said, this whole sorry mess has been created by Craig Whyte who, has destroyed over a century of a glorius club in nine short months.
Sadly, because of the fact that this is now a new club, Rangers should start again in the third division, however, for business reasons it would have been more beneficial for ALL the clubs in the SPL to vote yes to Rangers application to play in the top league. Again, we have the situation of so called supporters of these clubs threatening to boycott their own clubs if they agree to Rangers re-admission to the SPL. Do these people realise just how much money their clubs will lose because of their hatred of Rangers. I would advise those so called supporters to have a look at their club's attendence figures for last year and subtract two home games worth of figures for the loss of Rangers, multiplied by average ticket prices. And that is just gate receipts. More cash is lost for such as stadium catering, programmes etc. There is also going to be a loss of much needed cash in local businesses as well.
To all who call for Rangers being refused entry to the SPL purely because of your hatred for all things Rangers, be carefull for what you wish for, your team may be next!

More of the stupid 'hatred' accusations 'be careful what you wish for' nonsense. Maybe Rangers fans should have been careful what they wished for when Whyte honed into view promising war chests and was cheered into Ibrox to usher in further domination.

1903

26 Jun 2012 23:55:03
My cousin is married to Billy MacKay, ex Rangers and Hearts. He has been involved with Blairgowrie Juniors for 25 years and is currently president and manager.
His son invited Rangers to send a team to celebrate his 25 years, and they agreed to send the under 19s to play them. At present don't know if that will happen but if it does, it looks like it will be the first team.

They play in blue shirts, white shorts and red and black socks, think that's where I will be watching my football from now on, not much difference to div three in standard.

He said to me today that he wonders what Waddell & Wallace would have made of this, they will be turning in their graves.

Shame on all those involved in the demise of my club.

Billy Mackay ! I played a few games for Blairgowrie in the 80's as a teenager and he was the manager then. Nice guy :-)

26 Jun 2012 23:02:43
I actually cant believe how much a mess our great club is in, its sickening

I always believed we were to big to go under, now we are a laughing stock, so embarrassed we shudent have even applied to the SPL just shuda have applied for SFL membership, obv we cant get voted back in its like giving as a club with finnancial problems the right to fold and clear thier debt and then just coome back!!

David Murray and Craig Whyte i hope you rot in hell!!

26 Jun 2012 23:20:53
All the players leaving are an absolute disgrace. They have no respect for us the fans, we are going throught a hard enough time as it is without these players who are alleged to have loved the club are leaving without any remorse. It's bad enough that the SPL member clubs are kicking us while we are down but now our own players who we supported are now leaving. It's Been a sad few months for us and it's gonna get even worse. This is a nightmare for everyone involved with the club but surely the more experienced players, ie. Davis, Naismith and McGregor are not bankrupt and have enough money to stick with us for another few years until we get back to the SPL. Thanks for reading sorry for it being so long lol

SaveOurClubRangersFC

Hear hear - agree 100% just proves exactly how few GENUINE Rangers men we had in the team. Most are just greedy money grabbers who are happy to see the club follow Third Lanark into oblivion.

You are suggesting that guys in their late twenties, internationalists should play in div three?
Put yourself in their position, would you not leave. This is their business would you deal with this newco or leave at huge signing on fee with increased wages. You know that we would have sold them anyway, you cannot pay players £25k a week for div three. The only difference is that we would have got some fee for them, now they get it or a good part of it.
I am as disappointed as you but really what would you have done. If RSA and RST suggest we should not buy season tickets why should they stay. Get real mate.
We will get a couple of old guys in, frees, put them in with the kids, it will be good enough for div three, it also reduces the wage bill which will be needed.
Don't blame them ,blame Whyte & Murray.

Surely you are not pleading to save sevco 5088 already?

26 Jun 2012 22:54:59
Ed - I've lost track - although many names have said "no" to transfer to newco, has anyone actually transferred to another club as yet? {Ed003's Note - No}