Rangers Banter Archive March 27 2013

27 Mar 2013 22:55:14
Just wondering why no one is mentioning Allan Johnson as our new manager? He's doing a great job at queen of the south.

Because he would rather manage a First Division or higher club?

LLSTMF

He owes us for being an imposter as a player for us.

Are we just mentioning anyone who has won a few games now? This is the job of manager of rangers ffs m8.
Not shettleston juniors, altho our present incumbent mite make us look like the shetts juniors, tommyblue

Remarkably arrogant Tommyblue. He has won the division above Rangers at a canter with a fraction of Rangers budget and they knocked Rangers out of the Ramsden Cup at Ibrox. It has been well documented that Rangers don't need hugely expensive players for the foreseeable future yet you still expect a big name manager? How can that be justified in the shortish term? Mourinho, Hiddink, Guardiola and the like won't be chapping your door anytime soon, trust me.

Gaz

@1 are suggesting he would knock back a monster pay rise to manage queen of the south in the 1st division? The spaceships have arrived for you.

Just as well you asked us to 'trust you'!!!

Very cryptic @6) I'm presuming you ARE expecting a big name of that calibre in the shortish term then?

Gaz

29 Mar 2013 01:39:27
gaz, p;ease try to keep ure hatred from affecting you, nobody said anything about big named managers, all that was said was we can't consider ever guy who wins something, alan comes from my area, he is a bluenose, always has been, but he is not what we need, u jog on gazzt, u get worse every week, now that ine told you alan is rangers daft you won't like him now either,, and BTW, I noticed you used the word!despise! a day or two ago,? strange when you were up in arms about other less aggresive words only days before, methinks you have a set of rules all for yourself gazzy, Tommy

@2 how does he owe you, you got him on a free transfer. shammy

27 Mar 2013 22:07:03
I think we should go for Andrew geggan for Dunfermline would be a good signing

Mcoist would play him at centre half

27 Mar 2013 20:04:53
Share price down 4% in one day. Coupled with a large share trade two days ago does this point to some information being out there that fans are not privvy to? Ahead of the audited accounts surely more stability should be expected?

Cap value dropping also. been a slide for last 3 months

value of club dropped 10 million

While I think you should be worried about this, the initial price valued the club WAY WAY to high. The initial value of the club was higher then that of a certain team in the SPL with Champions league games. In a sense the share price does not matter because like that SPL side people have these shares for reasons other than making money. But is still a worry.

@2. Good points, but you forget that Rangers have lots of investors who are looking for a profit. If they see the share price plunging, and that's whet it is doing, will they cut their losses and sell? Especially the 1p investors

Like I said you should be concerned. but what benefit is it to Rangers to keep the share price high? The only benefits are.

1. if the share price completely dives it will attract asset strippers

2. a low share price might encourage share holders to make changes to the board (is that actually a bad thing).

As I believe Green and his hidden investors actually have a majority shareholding then neither of these senarios are likely. Most likely it is investers that suddenly realise the east end accounts were right and this is a complete basket case of a buisness that they need to get out of now. But they can only sell if they can find a buyer!

Its an indication of trouble not a problem in itself

27 Mar 2013 16:00:03
If we end up in the bottom tier of 18, does anyone seriously think Charles green will spend any money on New players? I certainly don't, we ate terrible to watch but miles ahead in the league, it will be the same players and same standard next season.

I would think there will be no money spent either way. To get more in means losing some, who would buy any of the current squad? Wallace and Templeton are the only obvious players who could command a fee. Until the audited accounts are public no one can even guess the situation.

@1 I wouldn't be too concerned about fees the wages Sandaza Black & Cribari are on need to be eliminated I cringe when I think of our finances how Charles is running the club & the kind of money these guys are on which is potentially more after Promotion!

@2; The problem is even if you free them they will want their contracts paid up. that's why a fee is needed, to cover this cost. There is also Boca and Goian returning, possibly more money to release them.

@1, the big problem is that the guys you mention were brought in with the promise of high wages and are unlikely to get the same elsewhere in Scotland. If they went south they would get more, but I am not sure the English clubs would be interested in these guys who have not set the heather alight in SFL3. Players can't be forced to move to another club (and who wants to move for less money when you have a lucrative contract for a few more years), so you may be stuck with what you've got.
Al

Do you think that if you end up in the bottom 18 that

A/ you actually need to spend more money to get out of the league, should not Shields, Templeton, Black, Sandaza, Little, McKay, etc be enought to win the league?

B/ Given that the club is loosing @1million pounds a month it's a good idea to buy any new players? Especially if the fans are "Bored" of playing the same team. by my reckoning the bottom 18 would play 17 home games that is down one from the current set up so match income could reduce by 5%.

C/ is the problem at Ibrox the quality of player or the quality of the manager. Would a new manager perhaps get more out of them then the current manager?

Just some thoughts

27 Mar 2013 08:36:51
We require at least 4 new quality players for the next step, a strong centre forward, who can hold, head shoot properly, ie freekicks etc, and whoo has decent pace and control,, a, midfielder who can open defences and is strong enough for scottish football, and at least 2 defenders,, we could get through the next stage with these players and some of the guys already there, Black hasn't made the grade so get rid, along with Faure, argyrious, hegarty, and keep perry for one last chance to see if he can play with an experienced man beside him, we need to spend some cash asap, and get rid of the clowns coisty seems to think are football players, with a backbone of four decent real pro, s we can add the kids as and when, These guys should be scouted and coached by real football professionals, therefore we should get someone like G Adam, who just might bring his boy with him, and I know its a long shot, but i'd love to see the boy G Boyd coming here,,, any ideas, / I firmly believe with a strong spine we can move forward, adding some style and flair along the way, Tommyblue {The Ed039's Note - Where we are, we dont need to spend cash Tommy, what we need is a scout who can cast the net far and wide as there are plenty of decent free agents out there who could walk any of the bottom 2 divisions in Scotland and wouldnt take much of a wage. This is the structure that should have been implemented as soon as we were granted entry to Div 3, we have been down the route of lets throw money at players and see what happens before, and look what happened. A decent scouting network along with the pro's and youngsters at the club should have been more than enough to get through the next 2-3 years without spending silly money)

27 Mar 2013 10:04:54
Gents, fingers crossed for Dunfermline, as fans who have been through administration before we know how much of a worry this is.
This is not time to gloat or "I told you so" but a time to try and help in any little way we can.
I really do fear for Scottish football right now, hopefully this will serve as a warning to all those clubs shouting about "sporting integrity" that actually, football Armageddon in Scotland is a reality.
I love football and Scottish football in particularly and I'm serious worried about it.
If anyone knows of a fighting fund etc for Dunfermline can you publish details on here please.

Iain

Best place to donate would probably be their Ssupporters Football Trust. Pars Alive. which you can google search for details

27 Mar 2013 11:07:07
Hi Ed,, Ian,, firstly I hope d, line survive, secondly ed, I get your point, there should be plenty of free agents around, now more than ever, maybe we don't need to buy, but we do need a strong spine, it shouldn't be difficult to find the right type of men, and I don't think we would need top quality in every position either, isn't it ironic that K Broadfoot is now a "wanted man " in the championshiip, hiow we could have used him this season, at least he was fit!, and that's another pioint, I was told by someone very close to bomber that the training at MP was dreadful, I always thought KMCD was a top coach and highly regarded, what is he doing?, i'm beginning to think all their careers will disappear when this sorry episode is over, who would employ them now?, get a new manager in who can as you rightly say can identify a clubs problem areas and work within a budget, ( B Davies, Adams, and wait for it, Levein ), we don't need the glee club any more TB

I agree TB, unfortunately as money has been spent foolishly already it'll take money to get shot of some of the boys who aren't cutting it. I totally agree about Perry by the way. I think out of all the young boys he's the one who's had the most difficult time of it. It's easier to find a place to hide as a midfielder/striker than it is in the heart of defence. I firmly believe that if he had a sesoned pro by his side that could at the very least communicate with him then Perry would have performed better. As it has been I think the lad has been hung out to dry by a few and that's unfair. I still think he has the makings of a half decent defender. Maybe no worldbeater but accomplished enough for all that the Scottish game can throw at him.
To be fair, apart from the tweets about 'hard days training' etc I can honestly say I've been proud of the way the young boys have stepped up to the plate this season. It's been a big ask and overall they've done well. I still feel that with different coaching this squad has more to give although the likes of Cribari, Faure, Black and Argyriou will never cut it for me.
On another note, I'm still not convinced by Little and I know this might be controversial for some given his scoring record this season. I realise he's been played out of position a lot and Allys one up front policy hasn't helped but I'm just not convinced he's got the ability to move up a level in terms of his ability.
Thoughts?

Baybear
(Ed, why when I'm logged in does my wee username tag not appear?) {The Ed039's Note - No idea mate, I will send a wee message to the tech people. I disagree with the point on Andy Little, I think things happen when he is in the team, he has made more of an impact than the likes of Temps, Black, Sandaza et al and I think it sticks out when he is not available, ie at the weekend he was sorely missed)

Iain. Dunfermlines troubles are hee haw to do with RNgers liquidating and starting afresh in the SFL. They have financial troubles for years and debts out with what a smallish club should have. That hasn't all happened in this season it's been a long standing issue. There is no told you so to be said!

Could the RFFF give them a loan of sorts to help?
The "sporting integrity" campaigners must be really proud, what was forecast last summer is slowly happening. Who's next Motherwell, Hearts, Kilmarnock to name a few?
All the best to Dunfermline. PB

I know a lot of folk will disagree with me but I think Charles Green could win us some much needed good publicity by arranging a friendly at Ibrox with DAFC, the money split 50/50 between clubs.

After all we've both been shafted by two pals Murray & Masterton. {The Ed039's Note - There has been talk of this, but the main aim for DAFC is to get through the week)

@5 show some decency man We had debts out with what a big club should have (in this county anyway) & that didn't all happen in a season either.

@5- Fair point but the same could be said of most clubs including ourselves. Living beyond our means is the mantra for our society as a whole for the last 20 years at least.
Ed- Cheers, not a major issue but cheers for looking into it.
On the Little point, time will tell and I suppose at the very least he deserves a season of working under a different set of coaches.

Baybear {The Ed039's Note - Yeah, I am not saying he is a world beater or anything, but I think when he doesnt play it is very noticeable, and we are crying out for him, whether out wide or through the middle, he makes things happen)

27 Mar 2013 14:40:47
@8 eh? How am I not showing decency? I am merely pointing out as stated by the OP there is no "I told you so" situation here. Ie Dunfermlines troubles have not been caused by RFC club going bust or "sporting integrity. " Some of you have a far to inflated belief that RFC demise is the be all and end all of Scottish football.

Your right ed little will do a good job even better under a good manager

Dont need a new team -- just a new manager will do

Have to agree with 5/10. The old terracing days when 10,000 to 20,000 away supporters rolling into town arround Scotland are long gone with the introduction of smaller capacity all seater stadiums. The biggest financial impact is in fact on Glasgows big two through the loss of the 4 derby games per season. In addition, the SKY Tv deal remains much the same as it was.