Rangers Banter Archive April 28 2011

 

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28 Apr 2011 23:41:58
GovanFR. OK, have it your way. You absolutely right, I made it all up. There is no tax case and even if there was, everyone except Rangers would be liable.

Atheist

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28 Apr 2011 23:21:21
When ellis tried to takeover rangers last year due dilligence was done by him, so why did whyte have to do this also, considering ellis will have 25% stake in rangers why is this being done for a 2nd time?

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28 Apr 2011 23:21:27
GovanFR. I can lead you to water but I'm not going to drink it for you. I've posted hints previously. If you don't care enough to look for yourself then that's your look out. Read the Rangers Tax Case site (start at the beginning. . Rangers' tax issue: bringing light to the darkness) then get on the web (think beyond Wiki). Alternatively, stick your fingers in your ears and say "la la la".

It's your club.

Atheist

Essentially what you mean is you made it up. I have read all the articles on that site and whoever wrote it clearly is unaware of the law in this country as some of his points are completely false. Unless you have any real info to share then please stop posting your nonsense. Anyone can post a comment and just say that they won't share the website because they want you to find it yourself. This is going nowhere having looked on the internet I can find nothing to dis-credit Whyte, but I'll leave the internet supporters like yourself to continue spreading the doubt. Enjoy.

GovanFR

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28 Apr 2011 22:55:07
GovanFR. I can lead you to water but I'm not going to drink it for you. I've posted hints previously. If you don't care enough to look for yourself then that's your look out. Read the Rangers Tax Case site (start at the beginning. . Rangers' tax issue: bringing light to the darkness) then get on the web (think beyond Wiki). Alternatively, stick your fingers in your ears and say "la la la".

It's your club.

Atheist

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28 Apr 2011 22:36:57
GovanFR. Busted. You've got me bang to rights guv'nor. Now, I can only urge you to get past the fact that it's a Celtic site and take the time to read through it. Then (because I don't expect you to take it as gospel) do some research of your own (half an hour on a well known search engine should at least get you sufficient information to want to ask more questions).

Surely your club is worth that much?

Atheist

If you have solid evidence of Whyte being an inappropriate buyer then please just post the links. As you say though I wouldn't believe anything from that site it's as reliable as wikipedia.

GovanFR

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28 Apr 2011 22:27:39
Just wondering wot the rest of my fellow Gers fans think! Would you like to see a Jelavic and Naisy strike partnership next season?? I think they would be great together!

Big Blue

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28 Apr 2011 22:28:58
Jaouad Zairi (free agent from Olympiakos Pireaus)
Raul Bravo (free agent from Olympiakos Pireaus)

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28 Apr 2011 22:15:23
GovanFR. Busted. You've got me bang to rights guv'nor. Now, I can only urge you to get past the fact that it's a Celtic site and take the time to read through it. Then (because I don't expect you to take it as gospel) do some research of your own (half an hour on a well known search engine should at least get you sufficient information to want to ask more questions).

Surely your club is worth that much?

Atheist

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28 Apr 2011 21:45:03
So lets get this straight. Rangers Football Club have been assessed for a tax bill of £24m. There is a tribunal in progress to determine if the bill is due and how much interest might be added. On top of that, depending on how HMRC view it, there could also be a substantial fine. All of which is in the public domain, but you think I could be breaking the law by talking about it? Which law would that be?

Again, if HMRC win the case, Rangers FC (and nobody but Rangers FC) is liable.

Atheist

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28 Apr 2011 21:18:40
Athiest

I suspect you get your information from the site called 'Rangers tax case'. I suppose I could create a site that makes things up and you would believe everything I put on it. That site is unofficial and made by a Celtic fan.

GovanFR

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28 Apr 2011 21:11:19
Athiest

If you did know for sure that Rangers are the ones who will be liable you would be breaking the law by saying so. As I have said many times, all Rangers players contracts are through MIH so logically it is MIH that will be liable.

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28 Apr 2011 20:51:02
"nobody knows anything about who's responsible for tax"? Really? Do you actually believe that?

What am I saying? I'm talking to people who believed the Super Casino story. I'll bet every time the papers told you that the takeover was "just 48 hours from being completed" (how many times now? 6? 7? 8?) you believed it. Every single time!

Do you know that there are actually Rangers fans who think Lloyds will pay the tax bill? Or MIH will pay it. . or SDM will pay it.

I'm away to play frogger. It makes more sense than you do. But remember this. It was a Celtic fan who tried to warn you.

Atheist

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28 Apr 2011 20:39:25
Rangers football club is currently part of MIM so blaa blaa effing blaa

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28 Apr 2011 20:25:59
28 Apr 2011 19:45:22
The tax assessment is against Rangers. Not MIH. Not SDM. Neither MIH or SDM will pay it (assuming HMRC win the case). It is Rangers Football Club that would liable. This is beyond doubt no matter how much you might want to think otherwise.

If the takeover doesn't proceed, administration is almost inevitable. Liquidation could be just around the corner.

If Craig Whyte takes over and doesn't have a plan in place to deal with any potential tax situation, the outlook for Rangers is grim.

Atheist

How the hell do you know? Nobody knows anything about who's responsible for the tax. Away and play frogger on the motorway fannybaws.

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28 Apr 2011 20:27:24
Here's an idea. Why not spend half an hour on the internet. Search for the stories about Craig Whyte leaving the UK in a hurry, with a string of debts and unpaid employees. Or the 'palatial' offices at 65 Bath Street. Or (and this is my personal favourite) the portakabin in Switzerland.

There is more but I don' t see why I should all your work for you. Like I said, it's your club.

Atheist

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28 Apr 2011 20:11:20
The club fears a heavy punishment, with a heavy fine or a ban on some or all of its supporters attending home or away games a possibility.
Worryingly for Rangers, Uefa is likely to take into consideration the behaviour of the club's fans in the past five years.
The Glasgow club was fined £13, 300 for supporters' discriminatory chanting and £9,000 for attacking their opponents' team bus during an away game against Villarreal in 2006.
And Uefa issued a fine of £8, 280 for some Rangers fans' behaviour during a match against Osasuna in May 2007.
The following year, at the Uefa Cup final in Manchester, fans were involved in city centre riots, and a fine of £18,000 was imposed by Uefa for fan violence when the club played Unirea Urziceni in Romania in November 2009.
Rangers, though, are angry that they face punishment, with chief executive Martin Bain arguing that they are being unfairly targeted
Uefa has fined Rangers 40,000 euros and banned its fans from the club's next away European game for sectarian singing in a match at PSV Eindhoven.

why would any one with a bit of sence sign for you! ! ! !

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28 Apr 2011 20:19:04
David Nugent from Portsmouth on a free

No chance he would just turn out to be another james beetie we need to go 4 youth, some1 with pace and an eye for goal. Not some1 who is past their prime.

Blu Bear

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28 Apr 2011 19:45:22
The tax assessment is against Rangers. Not MIH. Not SDM. Neither MIH or SDM will pay it (assuming HMRC win the case). It is Rangers Football Club that would liable. This is beyond doubt no matter how much you might want to think otherwise.

If the takeover doesn't proceed, administration is almost inevitable. Liquidation could be just around the corner.

If Craig Whyte takes over and doesn't have a plan in place to deal with any potential tax situation, the outlook for Rangers is grim.

Atheist

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28 Apr 2011 19:17:08
Rangers fined 35 k n given 2 match away ban but one of them is suspended could have been worse ed is right about pre contract situation changed in 2009 i think so no conway or bell YET! !

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28 Apr 2011 19:14:53
Mcgregor alexander
whittaker foster
bartley broadfoot
berra cole
wallace wylde
weiss edu
davis mcculloch
dorrans ness
naismith healy
goodwillie lafferty
jelavic conway

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28 Apr 2011 18:57:14
Banned for 2 games away from home (1 suspended) and banned for one home game (suspended) plus an 80,000 euro fine. Not as bad as it could have been. The point that they take advice from FARE who are clearly corrupted and not accountable to anyone is still highly questionable. Any fans who participate in sectarian singing are not welcome and before Celtic fans jump on this your lot are just as bad.

GovanFR

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28 Apr 2011 18:30:16
Breaking News : Rangers fans have been banned from europe away for one game.

well done UEFA, It was deserved.

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28 Apr 2011 17:22:56
Rangers own accounts show payments of nearly £48m to the EBTs since 2001. Alistair Johnston has already admitted that if the tax case goes against Rangers, Rangers will not be able to pay the tax, interest and fine. Administration is a destinct possibility. Liquidation, although unlikely, cannot be discounted.

So what do you do? Let someone take over and trust that everything will be ok?

Or, do you ask questions? Like, who is funding the takeover? How will you raise the money for team improvement? What contingencies do you have in place in the event that Rangers lose the tax case?

Of course, Whyte might be a genuine good Rangers man with money to burn. On the other hand, what if he isn't/ doesn't?

But, hey, it's not my club.

Atheist

Fans have nothing they can do, potential buyers are not accountable to fans. Alistair Johnston can voice concern and the independent committee can delay a takeover but ultimately it is SDM that has the only say that matters and it is he that is liable for tax payments.

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28 Apr 2011 17:23:55
Athiest

Rangers did make payments but these contracts are done through MIH, of which Rangers are just a small part.

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28 Apr 2011 17:56:37
Uefa/ RFC breaking: Rangers fined e80,000, Ibrox 'closed-doors' suspended sentence, plus limit on away ticket-sales to fans in Europe
not good enough! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

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28 Apr 2011 17:03:52
Gareth mcauley out for 3 weeks injured apparently

why u posting this even if we do sign him he will be fine by then go on to ipswich page ya nugget

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28 Apr 2011 15:43:02
Gareth mcauley out for 3 weeks injured apparently

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28 Apr 2011 13:58:33
James Morrison Free and Chris Brunt last year of contract would be excellent additions to the Rangers Squad

WATP

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28 Apr 2011 12:53:24
Again the takeover begins to be stalling, now after the bank holiday? Worthington Group standard listing on the LSE begins on the 2nd of May and 10% of the companies shares have changed hands in the last few days? Surprised there has been nothing in the press regarding Whyte (a majority shareholder with associates on the board) listing Rangers on the LSE with this. All the pieces fit and would explain how he will fund this takeover. {Ed001's Note - these things always take months, those shares you refer to changing hands will have been the culmination of month's of negotiation. I know everyone thinks the City takeover happened over night, but it is simply not true. The signing of Robinho was a good faith payment in advance, the actual takeover was completed a good few months afterwards. I wouldn't worry about it taking time, unless someone offers over the odds the selling party will deliberately drag things out in the hope of getting some more interested parties tempted out.}

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28 Apr 2011 10:12:06
Y wod jay bothroyd want to play for rangers
He a load epl teams wantin him or cardiff cod
Go up n he'll stay there !

translation:
why would jay bothroyd want to play for rangers? he has a load of epl teams after him, or cardiff could go up so he will stay there.

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28 Apr 2011 10:58:41
First off nobody on this planet would buy a club with a potential of 40+mill tax debt unless they were turning over some serious profit. Ok. This leads me to believe either Craig Whyte is 100% confident that the tax bill will never come OR that MIH will repay the debt (more likely option). Now if I were to own a number of companies and one of those companies owed a debt to HMRC it normally goes to the parent company. Anyway. Now to Mr Whyte's ''intentions''. Listen Whyte's intentions are simple, he wants to make money! no different than Celtic board. He has seen Rangers over the last cppl of years turn a profit. (Thinking 5 mil is June this year). Is it possible that he could be in this because he believes this could be a viable business opportunity?? Yes of course it is! If he was to ruin rangers as some are suggesting, what would happen to his reputation?? Do you think anyone else would deal with him?? NO. I think Whyte is a rangers man and has seen an opportunity to help his team and also turn a profit at the same time. And people are on here trying to pick holes in it (mainly Celtic) because they are slightly worried.

c-bear85

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28 Apr 2011 09:04:18
When whyte takes over rangers r romoured to be getting ramos vidic terry evra as def, ronaldo kaka gerard messi in mid and villa and possibly ether eto or roney as fw says he wants champions league, league and both scottish cups next year! ! ! ! get a grip ul be getin pos english league 2 and eastern european players no1 wants to play in scotland to much hatred bween big 2.
god! ! ! !

right, scroll down this rumours page and tell me one player people have posted, be it rumour or who they woul like to see at the club, who is in that calibre. not one. post on your own clubs sight. we aint claiming signing the likes of joe cole like celtic fans are. we know money is tight. you are an idiot. go away.
thank you
jmac

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28 Apr 2011 09:25:52
Barca v real madrid . . . . . . .

real have been reported for constant monkey chants directed at dani alves, a fan attacked the barca players at the end of the game . the bust up at half time, bottles were thrown at messi and the ref needed police escort to leave the pitch and stadium . . . . . I wonder what uefa will do hmmmmmm . . .

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28 Apr 2011 09:37:14
Y wod jay bothroyd want to play for rangers
He a load epl teams wantin him or cardiff cod
Go up n he'll stay there !

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28 Apr 2011 02:46:00
James McFadden is a free agent in the summer.I knew him when he was a kid.And know his Uncle and cousins.And he is open to the idea, of playing for Rangers.As one side are blue.But he is open to play for Celtic to.As his Dad is green.He has a big personality.He could take the pressure of playing for both teams one day.If he came even for a year.Did another two year in England.Then could finish at Celtic.He is still only 28.Eck will offer him a new deal though.And Owen Coyle rates him at Bolton.He can get europa league football at Brum.It is all down to him.If he wants to come back to the gold fish bowl.Miller did it but was not from Glasgow.He could escape the bowl in Edinburgh.

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28 Apr 2011 00:32:53
Rangers own accounts show payments of nearly £48m to the EBTs since 2001. Alistair Johnston has already admitted that if the tax case goes against Rangers, Rangers will not be able to pay the tax, interest and fine. Administration is a destinct possibility. Liquidation, although unlikely, cannot be discounted.

So what do you do? Let someone take over and trust that everything will be ok?

Or, do you ask questions? Like, who is funding the takeover? How will you raise the money for team improvement? What contingencies do you have in place in the event that Rangers lose the tax case?

Of course, Whyte might be a genuine good Rangers man with money to burn. On the other hand, what if he isn't/ doesn't?

But, hey, it's not my club.

Atheist

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