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28 Apr 2012 23:12:52
If our beloved club does go down to the 3rd division and the sky deal is scrapped rangers and Celtic should negotiate their own tv deals.
Why would celtic want a TV deal involving a club in Div 3??
Why would rangers want a tv deal involving Celtic?
Nobody watches Div3 on TV?!!?
28 Apr 2012 23:00:22
does anyone remember gazza telling the story of how rangers players got fifty grand for just being on the park in CL games ? at the time i thought if they use 14 players thats 700k just in bonuses ? plus all the other costs. how can they afford it ? 6 CL matches 4.2M in bonuses alone. in the light of everything else it might be worth a journo asking how all that money was paid. the current problems are all wrapped up in there somewhere. nobody is asking the questions. leeds united were torn apart by the press. the difference is stark. the scottish press is doing rangers fans no favours with this. they are running scared.
the current players are off their heads paying the price for this. gregg wylde was right to get off his mark.
It wasnt it was gazza talking about a qualifier for champs league for qualifying i think the game was against famagusta of cyprus
28 Apr 2012 22:47:59
Well this could be the last ever rangers celtic game, lets hope it's a cracker and remembered for all the right reasons, hope we show the world that the old firm game is the best there is and show that Glasgow is a magnificent footballing city.
Honestly cant see it being the last,lets hope the decent fans on both sides enjoy and get home safe..........green jhedi
You won't have any problem getting home cause you never leave your bedroom, have you ever been to parkhead before?
@ no 2, there is always someone who ruins a perfectly good post, are u the type who wants trouble ?
28 Apr 2012 21:30:30
keep seeing a lot of posts on here urging rangers to start fresh in england. even it that was at all possible how do you feel the last week will have gone down with s.f.a officials receiving threats ?
press agree for bad and disagree for very bad.
Is this another opportunity to hammer Rangers , dont see the need for this post , at present the opportunity to go to any other league does not exist. We are striving to keep our club alive, we have few friends if any , especially amongst the people running Scottish football which is shamefull. Be very carefull if you do not kill us when we return to our rightfull position as the best in Scotland we will remember our enemies. Nobody should be put in this position . Gutless SFA allowed people to be used to protect them. Guilty party Stuart Regan coward .
Highland Bear
Be very carefull,rightfull position,remember our enemies what a lack of humility.Gutless SFA? What about gutless ally?He knew the panel and could have named them but he is far too sneaky for that..........green jhedi
The same sfa that you have ties to and the same place where your dodgyness extends to? the same sfa that did not punish your 2 players for man handiling the ref? yet Celtic get punished? funny how you loved them and agree with them while they were hepling yous out, yet now you break rules and they have to do there job and your not happy because they cant get you out of this even though they are trying.
"will remember our enemies" do you see what wrong with your thinking? it sounds to me as if you are invading another country to take control. and cant yous see it is your own doing that you have "enemies". if you act in the right manner and show respect,honor, and accept that you club has been cheating then you would seem better but yous think it is war or somthing..so sad
The post i replied to was my issue, i would like my club to still be alive regardless of all the obsticles put before us. jhedi your a respected visitor in my opinion and have added sensible posts
to our site, however i do not believe SFA / SPL are not compliant in our demise and punishment handed out so far with more to follow is extreme and has never been administered before so harshly. You mentioned humility, i do not believe you can imagime how the decent majority of Rangers fans feel about our present position. I can assure you we the support are only guilty of supporting/ following our club. Any wrong doings at murray/ whyte level was never our knowledge we just supported. Whether in spl or 3rd div we will survive and one day be back to challenge your club if Scottish football is still going or if your club is still in Scotland.
Highland Bear
@4;I do think the embargo was a bit silly,more sense would have been banned till football debts are paid.We do know how you feel mate,we were there remember.Decent fans like yourself are being shafted,no doubt,But remember UEFA are all over this and the blazeratti will be fearing them taking the whole thing over.But to make threats against other clubs is madness,they are only looking out for themselves.Rangers wont vanish.If liquidated the fan base is big enough to deal with it and come back.The march should have been at murray's office,he started this and to really screw it up sold to whyte!I honestly think murray has to many friends still in ibrox,mccoist,jardine and all who refuse to directly blame him.Remember the SFA had the power to expell you.then it would really have hit the fan.cheers.........green jhedi {Ed022's Note - Good post.}
@4: you do understand that Rangers' punishment was actually quite light? It could have been much worse - most neutral observers agree as the SFA has powers to sanction demotion too. Ask yourself why they didn't do this...
1903
Every club in the land has "ties to the sfa". Rangers get hammered for stuff all cw's doing and it's STILL no enough for the conspiracy theorists in hoops! (Cw the crook they were complicit in allowing to get control of a club in Scotland but who they now deem "unfit"- it is almost an lol. And before you go off on it, yes I know who sold the club to the crook has to take some responsibility and sdm is responsible for a large part of the trouble. All Rangers fans know it, we don't need to hear it any more. Craig Whyte is just a piece of shyte, "opportunist" little scumbag toerag though.)
The point of the post is, what official anywhere would now like to have rangers fc under their jurisdiction ?
and 7. what gave opportunist whyte the opportunity to do what he has ? come one, he bought rangers for a quid. start asking questions instead of this blind loyalty. you really do need to. and how many times do you need to be told the sfa plays no part in negotiations to buy shares in clubs. its up to the directors to oversee that. paul murray was one.
28 Apr 2012 20:51:27
Easy team selection for Ally tomorrow : 4-4-2
McGregor
Bartley Goian Bocanegra Papac
Whittaker McCabe Edu Wallace
Aluko McCulloch
A goalkeeper, 9 defensive players and aluko in a game that means nothing, give youth a chance.
28 Apr 2012 20:49:52
To all the tims that thought hooper was better than jelavic, AYE RIGHT.
No-one will know unless Hooper goes to the EPL and scores like Jelavic is.
Is that the Jelavic who plays for Everton?
Liah Smit
Everton, everton,everton
everton, everton, everton
everton, everton, everton
everton, everton.
blue but not you.
At least we still have our guy who didnt jumpship and who we didnt have to sell just to run for a couple more weeks! but hey you guys paid the whole price for him right? oooo no still owe for someoneyou couldnt afford how has that wroked out for you?
Will let you know when we get the rest of his fee from Everton.
Pathetic replies, take it that means you know jelavic is better? Make a case for hooper?
Any add ons for jelavic? It seems Mr Lawell has just got us another 500k for Southampton going up............green jhedi
@GJ: how does that work when he's never played for Southampton? Wasn't it Scunthorpe he came from?
1903
28 Apr 2012 20:38:38
Lots of good posts here tonite, i dont think thinks are as bad as they look, ive lived in Govan for the past 55 years and if the club asked me to overlook a wee bit of debt too make sure we kept a hold of 50 titles and nineinarow I would do it right away. Im sure the florist and the car mechanics and the face painters would do that, i know a few guys who have their own businesses and they would do it for their clubs, that would kill of all the real debts and the tax man would settle for repayment of his money over say 10years. TBK and BK just need to use half of their 20m to pay off tikketus and CW and then we would have 10m to spend on players..not much but it would get you a yakubu and a sol campbell type to shore up the kids.
Where are you getting £20m and your other figures from?! And you won't be buying any players, even if the embargo is lifted on appeal.
1903
This post belongs in "Jokes Of The Day"
You are off your rocker mate. This must be a noise up
Are you serious pal? how the fuuu can u even dream up that we will have 10 mil to spend on players, have u been on mars the last few month? its touch and go whether we have a club, nvr mind 10 mil, oh dear! ntbear
Dear oh dear.
Give him a break, he's been in Govan for 55 years!
I was there for 17 seconds on the subway when on my way to Hillhead for a wee soiree up thon west end, and I felt none the better for it.
pappy
28 Apr 2012 20:24:23
why don't we jump ship and join the vauxhall conference
Apart from the fact that it doesn't exist?
How many times does it have to be posted on here that there's no way that Rangers can join the English leagues?
1903
Need a time machine for that. Stopped being conference in 1998,
They wouldn't touch you with a barge-pole.
Id rather the spanish league just imagine barca then real, come on get a grip we cant just jump...
craig+babybear
@3: it's still the conference, just not the vauxhall conference.
They're officials dont want to receive death threats every time your manager has an outburst. i live in a town with a team in the conference. we dont want to be another manchester. and there are a few divisions below that you buffoon.
28 Apr 2012 20:06:17
ED022 saw your earlier post regarding
"happiness" saw these taken from
church notice boards . have a smile
on Me.....
Todays Sermon...
How much can a man drink?
With hymns from a full choir...
Due to the Rectors illness..
Wednesdays Healing services will be
discontinued until further notice..
Weight watchers will meet as usual at 7.00pm
Please use large double doors at the
side entrance....
A new loudspeaker system has been
installed in the church
It was donated by one of our members
in honour of his wife.....
LOL Timalloy {Ed022's Note - Oh deary dear son! You have to get better than that my boy! Just don't post anything to crude haha!}
Very funny
28 Apr 2012 19:51:07
even though i think it is crap ,craig whyte has transfered the shares and company name into his dad name
28 Apr 2012 19:10:53
us tedy bears need to wake up and smell the coffee d&p have never had any intention of selling Rangers to any bidder they are under orders by murray yes murray not whyte liquidate us with whyte d&p looking bad .he will come back in and bankroll the newco. making himself look as if he took no part in the downfall of this great club
Murray's businesses are in financial trouble...hes not the White Knight who is gonna come rescue you. Face facts and prepare for the worst for your vile club.
If that happens i will buy you a Porsche.
28 Apr 2012 18:43:17
team for tomorrow's game :
( 4-1-4-1 )
McGregor, Goian, Bocanegra, Whittaker, Papac,
McCulloch, Edu, McCabe, Aluko, Wallace, Lyttle
will be difficult i think considering no naismith, davis, lafferty, and obviously jelavic no longer with us, but we are fairly solid defensively, compact enough in midfield and i feel we can get a result.
2-2, with mcculloch scoring first.
james rfc 1980
Think we will get pumped, its got to be the worst starting 11 we've put out against Celtic in 25 years, we are rotten, think I'll just go out with the kids tomorrow, what's the point?
Please dont play whittaker at full back tomorrow,hes a liability there and cant defend worth a toss....anyone but him!!
i know our squad is threadbare but i'd pick sandy jardine before him at full back
waldo 68
Mcgregor
whittaker
goian
bocanegra
wallace
mccabe
edu
bartley
aluko
mcculloch
little
narrow 3 in midfield, edu n bartley as the ball winners, mccabe to dictate play as he did in last game. aluko to link midfield to front in a free role n mcculloch to knock the centre halves about to free up space for little to exploit with his pace.
j1985
Anyone but bartley it broadfoot they are worse.
You guys don't have much to work with, but Bartley is the worst player on your list. I'd have a young fella on instead. He is terrible.
GoldCoastBhoy
28 Apr 2012 18:15:57
i enjoy my discussions on rangers rumours with my fellow bluenoses, BUT i am getting fed up with celtic fans coming on here. they really are something else. PLEASE just leave us alone and concentrate on your own team. {Ed022's Note - I will try and monitor the situation for you now mate.}
It's a banter page. Deal with it.
Funny thing is they say they don't need or care about Rangers but some of them are never off a Rangers banter site posting stuff about Rangers?? Irony??
Even they're own forums are filled with Rangers chat/posts. They dislike us more than they like Celtic, don't know why they just don't admit it.
ED.are you being ironic? {Ed022's Note - Of course not. I'm not even sure I know what the word Irony means, let alone use it in practice... or would I?}
Some of it's not banter though, it's utter nonsense fed up with Fat Sally etc but you cannot make one comment about Lennon especially on there page. In actual fact it's hard to make a comment about anything to do with then but on here it's their constant nonsense.
@2: just like some Rangers fans with Lennon, eh? {Ed022's Note - A very good point. I believe in banter between fans, but anything that goes too far I won't allow, as it's just pointless crap. I have to admit one of the joys of editing this page is the banter between you fans though, it's a credit to your clubs.}
ED022, "Credit" is a touchy word to Rangers fans LOL Timalloy {Ed022's Note - Hahahahahahahahaahahahah oh damn that was quick thinking. I applaud you sir!}
Would love to hear some of these comments straight from a celtic fans mouth rather than behind a screen
@7: you would just need to talk to Celtic fans then.
ED22, your so a tim... {Ed022's Note - Nope, far from it actually. I'm more acquainted to Rangers than Celtic, but I support neither.}
@7;meaning?........green jhedi
@7 dont you think that type of think is what has not helped your club...are you one of the ones that threaten the panel?can you not take anyone going against your club and in saying that they are against yous because you cheated! do you not think ppl have the right to be upset with yous? or are you much happieier for your club to always get away with things and have an advantage over clubs? i would like to have this in person as well but not like how it sounds your thinking, maybe if you had a clear headed talk you might realize all your clubs wrong doings(and yes every club have wrong doings but not to the extent of your club), is this not or could be the BIGGEST scam/corruption in history? cause yous are the first club that i know that has so many wrong doings that the italian league looks way cleaner then yous.
Sorry ed22 {Ed022's Note - No worries at all mate.}
28 Apr 2012 18:12:44
Good turn out today but last poster might have a point. SDM is surely to blame for all this, forget WHYTE he is a puppet. The last time I looked SDM is still a wealthy man who could do the decent thing and HELP. I don't blame the SPL they are following rules something our Board of directors FAILED to do. Rangers DO deserve to be punished, Im sorry to say it guys as it hurts me to say this but our club has behaved in the worst possible way for years. Now before you jump on my case, I agree the sanctions we are facing are awful for every fan like myself, they are awful for the team, they are awful for the staff but for every director who has knowingly broken the rules and cheated they DO NOT go far enough. I would love to see criminal charges brought for any person who has had a wage from our great club whilst knowingly cheating the finances. NO ONE is going to buy our club NO ONE as the debt we have is toxic. I hope SDM and every dodgy director we have ever paid is feeling as sick reading and watching the demise of our great club as I am, but I'm sad to say I doubt that very much. I honestly believe they are praying it is liquidated as it will stop investigations and revelations from ever getting into the public domain. Don't hate Celtic fans when they talk of jelly and ice cream, Can you honestly blame them for behaving in the way they are after having our "WEALTH" shoved in their faces for years. I am a proud Rangers fan but I must admit that knowing that we were behaving in the way we were has spoilt a lot of good memories.
What a fantastic post,good luck to you and every other ger with that attitude.....green jhedi
Gr8 post lad. And to sum it all up in one word from the Top GREED !
Common sense at last!!
Well done, sdm is where all the answers are and his plan was to have cw take the fall so he is not to blame and it seem to many of yous have fell for it as well as all the media lies.
Not just sdm what about the players that were on ebt,s they must no what they were doing was ileagle if hmrc can say what we o them then they must know what each player o,s them chase them for the money or sdm not the club
Great post, someone with sense, Murray should be stripped of his phoney knighthood, charges should be brought, if it were you and I we would be jailed, we in Scotland have an spl sfa who are hiding the facts, a club that just did what they wanted to cheat and a police force who are incompetent at actually investigating one of the biggest money swindles in Scottish history, a government who are too scared to act as it may cost votes.
Murray is ehind the whole seedy affair, whytes a patsy, getting well paid to take the blame
Skua bhoy
You lot a full are of it! The original post'er is entitled to be feeling hurt. However the turmoil is down to a couple of people. NOT THE PEOPLE!
As yet Rangers are not guilty on EBT's there is NO BILL or charges so until there is its pointless other than leaving a cloud of uncertainty for proposed takeovers.
As for the rest of the troubles that is down to Whyte raping the club in around 9 months.
As for the punishments their bogus. They do not punish those who caused trouble but only the good people who ARE the club....The fans, and to some extent the players.
Murrays mistakes were made towards the end of his reign not throughout. Clubs are run with debt that's how it works and Rangers are and were no different. Rangers have and are being made an example of that's clear.
This holier than though bullsh!t is frankly boring and what I expect from Celtic fans who continue to ignore their own club and love hating Rangers more than loving Celtic.
GDog
WATP
Common sense really
@7: Rangers have accepted liability for £24m - the BTC is an appeal against extra fines and charges that would increase that to c.£75m. The case was lost a while ago - a first-tier tribunal is an appeal.
@9. Wrong
GDog
WATP
@10: wrong in what? That a first-tier tribunal is an appeal? Check it out I think you'll find it is. Why would Rangers appeal if they'd won the case. Why don't you find out the facts about your club instead of clinging to delusion and misinformation?
28 Apr 2012 17:42:48
Have you never thought all these bids , moving deadlines , and other delays are just a tactic so we all get so p*ssed of with it that by the time liquidation comes the fans have 'fatigue' and just want it over with. You can see the posts here going that way already. Me thinks there is a very clever puppet master behind all this. NO ADMINISTRATOR has EVER not made a redundancy in days in a matter of this size! Fact, they are drawing it out to take the fight out of everyone? Treating us like mushroom- keeping us in the dark and feeding us sh*te.
"Me thinks there is a very clever puppet master behind all this"==sdm!! where all your answer are
28 Apr 2012 17:40:05
The BK bid explained yesterday on Sportsound by PM.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/17877666
28 Apr 2012 17:37:34
summarises the position accurately from a neutral point of view
http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/sport/football/glenn-gibbons-mccoist-and-smith-fail-to-see-true-ibrox-saboteurs-1-2261890
You apply the neutral term when someone has a go at Rangers , then when someone says something pro Rangers they are accused of being masonic , establishment , bigoted etc etc. You support the second most successful team deal with it.
RS
@1: how'd you work out who the OP supports? You just assume it's Celtic which is quite narrow-minded of you. {Ed022's Note - That's a very true statement.}
Just read that. i wonder if glen gibbons has had the mad skwad calling. i think mcoist and jardine are realising the gravy train has come off the rails and it's now time to scoop up what you can. anybody can now see mcoist knew what he was doing but maybe lacks the intelligence to fully extrapolate the results. it's sad, but the jury has been out since the whisper in neil lennons ear. their coming back in and it doesnt look good. these two actions are very similar. same modus operandi, light the fuse and stand well back. next time maybe the firework wont go off.
28 Apr 2012 17:36:48
How many more final bid deadline days are d&p going to get away with ? It's becoming nothing short of a joke. I've a feeling their now waiting on the outcome of the spl meeting on Monday which will give bill miller all the answers he needs. If a preferred bidder is not in place by Monday night / tues morning at the latest then these guys should be shown the door how much have they raked in for their company since this started? {Ed022's Note - D+p are just useless.}
28 Apr 2012 17:08:51
I remember there was a good few people on here ( the usual fools ) spewing cr@p that Jelavic wouldn't cut it down south!!
IDIOTS.....
GDog
WATP
Who cares about jelavic he doesnt play with us so no point talking about him
TB
He has a good point all the same mate
james rfc 1980
Craig Burley was adamant that Jelavic wasn't good enough to be at a top half team. Just shows how much Burley knows eh?
GovanFR
He is still relevant....you still owe Rapid Vienna £1M for him! UEFA courts await !!
And Everton still owe us...you follow?
We paid up on jelavic. Check ur facts first
@6: Jelavic fee isn't all paid - Rapid were in the list of creditors released by the administrators. Maybe you should check your facts before telling others to do so.
1903
I did check my facts only half of the fee paid up front and the rest over 3 yrs.... hmmm?
Hoops fan here. just watch jelavic do the same to everton as he did to rangers and vienna when a bigger club starts sniffing around him.down tools . fantastic player, lousy attitude. can i ask rangers fan do thbey thonk he would have took the 75% cut like the other top earners? i doubt it
28 Apr 2012 15:05:14
Rangers have avoided tax - tax avoidance is legal. It’s been said before that HMRC have a tough stance on evasion with this in mind, could they not be lenient & accept CVA as we have avoided tax in a legal manor (at the time), people in business are employed & paid a lot of money to be professional “Rule Benders” or “loop hole exploiters” do you honestly think Rangers never sought sound legal advice before using EBTs? HMRC have decided to make EBT’s an illegal & have fully back dated it to about a decade. I think that they would accept CVA (just my thoughts) they are trying to set a precedent against Rangers to have the ruling against us made law & chase others for settlements - Thousands of companies have used this scheme do you think that they will all be liquidated? How many jobs would be lost as a result, seeing that UK has re-entered recession don’t see how this would help the economy? If the tax case does go in favour of HMRC & they accept CVA then the others including Ticketus would have to accept as HMRC would be the main creditor.
I hope Miller gets the club, I hope that in selling to him we are able to pay a substantial amount to creditors VIA a CVA in connection to the “sick patient” that is left behind after NEWCO, I accept we cannot go unpunished for going down this road but I also don’t think that we should be treated any different to any other Scottish club that have faced liquidity problems. I fear for the rest of the SPL if this does not work out, TV revenue, sponsorship, away fan money, teams doing even worse than us in Europe, even worse co-efficient, having a one horse race each year & much more. To the other fans sorry that some individuals have brought this upon us all but Rangers the club are needed in the SPL long term for everyone’s clubs sake & from a footballing perspective!
Any SPL club that we owe money to should be compensated if & when we become healthy again, we all need to work together to improve this league’s standard, the way it is run & who makes the decisions. Our league is so badly run they cant even agree on how many teams should play in it!
28 Apr 2012 14:54:02
Administrator David Whitehouse expects a revised bid for Rangers from the Blue Knights as its current offer would be "a challenge for creditors to accept".
Its like the movie Never ending story zzzzzzzzzzz
28 Apr 2012 14:08:10
why march to hampden? ?The SFA didn't ruin Rangers, SDM did. Is it easier to blame the SFA because you don't want to face the truth that due to cheating, RFC are now in this state. Why not march to Murrays head office in Charlotte square in Edinburgh? When criminals are caught people demand justice, in this case the SFA have served what they and non Rangers people ( other Scottish football supporters, and not just Celtic ) feel is justice for cheating .Hampden and the SFA are the easy target, Murray is the real enemy here. He is the one to blame. I'm sorry to say but if you break the law you deserve the sentence. J.Thomson ( Falkirk supporter)
Nobody is "blaming" the SFA. The march is in protest to the recent sanctions, the timing of the sanctions are shocking. They know Rangers are fighting for their lives yet impose these sanctions. The SFA's handling of this whole situation are a joke. They have deemed Craig Whyte not fit and proper yet punish the club for his dodgy antics, the guy broke all sorts of rules since he took over, he was acting on behalf of himself not Rangers....yet they punish Rangers. Since Rangers went t administration there have been attempts to re-write the rules, with the possibility of liquidation there are now discissions that a new-co should take over the liquidated club's debts. It didn't happen to Airdrie!!
Rangers were found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute, how exactly have we brought the game into disrepute?
TTG
The sanctions dished out by the sfa were for non payment to clubs and for CW bein a muppet. Nothin to do with what your talking about.
@TTG, so you then agree that sdm was acting for yous then right? since he had 20+years with yous. and so indoing so by trying to get what he wanted for himself and the club racked up over 140mill. are yous gong to say that he should only be punished and not the club? CW or not this was going to happen BECAUSE of sdm yet yous let him off and just try and threat ppl and say you are too big to end. what a world that would be if rules were like that.
you cheated spl cllubs out of europe money and places, do you not think that if they were ablt to play against other team in CL that they would get expirence and a sence of drive to do better and hence make the spl develop better? no that cant be right eh for other spl clubs cant be close to you cheating club.
why dont yous go to sdm and demand money from him for bringing your club to its edge just to have cw to take the fall and push you over? that would make more sence and the right thing to so then just go out and cause trouvle to ppl that just imply the rules
Rangers like anyone or any company that do wrong should be punished accordingly. But you only have to listen to the English sports jurno's on Talksport (completely neutral) to realize that the punishment and timing of that punishment is not in anyone's best interests.
pappy
@4: like Alan Brazil is neutral? Or Adrian Durham who claims Rangers are his Scottish team.
28 Apr 2012 13:57:39
Ally McCoist stands accused of 'Dog Whistle' Politics for demanding the names of the 3 SFA judges.
This is a technique employed by far right extremists and some protest groups with extreme elements wherein coded messages are sent to those extreme elements within an organisation by those who wish to be seen as 'moderates' as a call to make trouble, while leaving the 'moderate' elements with deniability.
The fact that he already knew the names of the 3 judges at the time he demanding to know who they were, and the fact that he would have been aware that some elements of the Rangers fringe would behave in this manner is a giveaway.
The SFA will charge him with serious disciplinary offences as soon as the OF game is out of the way and he could face a lafetime ban for incitement.
Police involvement has not been rules out.
Why is everybody blaming McCoist? He obviously didn't know who they were or he wouldn't have made the statement. You blame McCoist because a certain element of fans sent these guys petty threats. McCoist doesn't control these people!!
TTG
@TTG, tell me this then...where did yous get this we dont do walking away? or everyones having a kick at us? because i see you and the media use this on a daily and now it is yous are to big to fold...hhhmm all from AM. he even says how big your team is, yet beinginng a manager of it does he not have the responsibility to know how ppl take his words? after everything from last year he doesnt learn from it but uses it to help yous use bullying to by pass the rules. do you hear how he talks as if everyone is against yous for no reason? when after 20 years of cheating. you must truley think yous are inoccent and its all cw doing eh, for 20+ years of cheating is all cause of a few mounths in charge by cw. yous are always going after the inoccent ppl and threating them while the true ppl who did this gets away with it. yous are making yourselves look like a bigger joke each day that passes and ppl are fed up with it that is why they cant take yous anymore
Super Ally done f*ck all wrong. These muppets are not controlled by Ally, he simply wanted to know who it was that made the decision.
Mr Blonde {Ed022's Note - He already knew.}
I seem to remember a ginger guy asking for clarification and transparency last year. Don't recall Jhimmy Jhonny and Dhavey having much of a problem with it then.
pappy
@3; Will you believe you are being duped now the ED has told you he knew?.......green jhedi
This is becoming allygate. he's his own worst enemy. what about the names of the ebt holders ? dont you want to know who they were ? i would if i was you. march to charlotte square and demand david murray tells you.
he'll be quiet on this one will ally. nudge nudge.
@6; And, might i add, wink wink.........green jhedi
28 Apr 2012 13:53:11
Joeshmo1888. This from a fellow Celtic fan, time for you to take the green blinkers off. Celtic of course will survive without Rangers but it wont do us any good in the long run. The rest of the spl will suffer. Losing their two home games against Rangers a season will be crippling for other clubs. Give it a rest now mate, its getting boring.
Drew
Remember that some clubs only have three games a season against Rangers if they finish in the opposite half of the league and the fixtures say that only one of the three they play is at home. They seem to manage ok.
1903
28 Apr 2012 13:28:50
Do you agree rangers have had an unfair advantage over every team in the league this season (including celtic) by not paying PAYE and VAT which is contrary to league rules. Should their results be amended to 0-3 in favour of the opposition and RFC relegated?
Totally disagree. It was only under Craig Whyte we hadn't paid PAYE and VAT, and that is the reason we are in administration and we haven't exactly been successful in his era. Delusion of the highest standard here!!
You, just like everyone else, want the rules re-written just because it's Rangers who are in this situation.
TTG
Tantamount to scratching all Rangers games. No, that would be puerile and would only happen if Rangers fail to complete the season because of their poor financial policy.
Rangers this season bought and used players this season under Craig Whyte that they could only afford because they paid no vat and paye. This is cheating no other way about it. Take your punishment stop sounding like spoiled children and grow up.
28 Apr 2012 13:15:37
I keep reading we need Rangers in the SPL to stop other teams going bust. Forgive me if im wrong, but is it not Rangers that are on the verge of going bust and its the other teams that THEY owe money too. Take the blinkers off boys, we will all get along just fine without you.
Joeshmo1888
Good point. Rangers certainly generate revenue other clubs share in like TV money and gate receipts. And when they sign players from other SPL clubs that brings in money too.
But other clubs will just need to downsize accordingly. Celtic will be the most affected I would imagine, but they have more money anyway.
28 Apr 2012 13:03:00
The walk is about to start..... After the walk the fans have to head to the Montford bar as jelly and ice cream will be served.
Didn't they try to sell that on two consecutive weekends but it was taken off for lack of demand, brought back and spectacularly crashed.
@2: no, that was bids for Rangers.
28 Apr 2012 12:52:55
1'st to admit I'm no financial guru, but it seem's to me the ONLY chance creditors have of ANY type of payback is a pence in the pound CVA. Also I can't get my head around why the SFA and SPL keep announcing sanctions as a deadline approaches for a buyout. No buyer will jump in until that and the tax is sorted. I agree we must face sanctions, of course we do, but it's been months now, much more and it will be newco and there will be heehaw paid out to anyone... That's not right! Ally talked about transparency, I'm all for it... what the fu#ks going on?!?
BB
There must be some value to the club or nobody will be offering to buy it. Presumably the assets (value of club + Ibrox + Murray Park + silverware etc) is still more than the debts. But the club continues to lose money.
Why is it the same 3 bidders keep coming in? to give you hope for what is not going to happen, no one will bid because your club is a big scam. they just submit bids to keep yous happy and to say atleast i did somthing to try and be a hero. they have to pay it all off for yous to have a chance which is not going to happen.. stop believeing the false hope that the media feeds you! damand the money from sdm to buy back from cw since sdm did this to you all...dont yous think he is resposible for this mess?
28 Apr 2012 11:48:03
Just been speaking to an accountant friend and he says the reason Craig Whyte did not pay the P.A.Y.E. was to artificially inflate the amount of debt owed to H.M.R.C.
So that when the BTC was decided(penalty app£75million) Rangers would owe the tax man more than 75% of the value of their(Rangers's) total debt.
H.M.R.C. would agree to the CVA as liquidation would get them nothing and all the other creditors including Ticketus would have to except the CVA as the vote would be binding. Whyte would transfer his shares to TBK for a pound and Ticketus would rip up the "preferred charge" they hold over him.
Thoughts please.
An accountant said this? HMRC dont,in the main accept CVA's. In certain cases they have but only if the company has a good record of tax transactions.As rangers are waiting the result of an appeal,and Whyte screwed tax,NI and VAT payments that is one dodgy strategy.Then again this is one dodgy guy...........green jhedi
Green jhedi is rite in what he's saying. I would go a step further and say Rangers have absolutley no chance of getting a CVA from HMRC due to what Craig Whyte was doing with all the P.A.Y.E MONEY.
Drew
Sounds like someone's hypothesis and it's one I don't agree with. First, HMRC certainly would get a large payout under liquidation. Ibrox etc will be sold for millions and HMRC gets 75% of that. Also 75% of however much a newco pays for the club, which could be substantial. Second, I think you have it wrong on Ticketus. They've not joined the bidders in the end because they want to get as much as they can from CW. Not ripping up anything.
28 Apr 2012 11:43:23
FOR someone who is possibly the oldest rookie manager in the history of the game, Ally McCoist this week gave a flawless impersonation of an impulsive, vengeful and nasty-minded adolescent.
Notoriety attached itself to the former striker with the suddenness and potential devastation of a pernicious virus the moment he demanded the release of the names of the three-man independent review panel who imposed sanctions on Rangers in accordance with the seriousness of the Ibrox club’s breaches of football’s regulations.
The suspicion that his disturbingly sinister outburst – “I want to know who these people are, Rangers supporters want to know who these people are” – was a prime example of premeditated mischief-making did not take long to harden into certainty. It came with the revelation of an SFA spokesperson that the supposedly bemused manager would undoubtedly already have known the identities of the judges, since Rangers had a representative attend the entire judicial proceedings.
At a stroke, McCoist’s long-established image as an ebullient and irrepressible charmer was transformed into a hideous representation of spiteful retribution. Nor did the damage inflicted on his own reputation come anywhere near to being undone by his declaration the following day that he was “disgusted” by the thought of any Rangers fan visiting abuse on the panel members and issuing threats against them and their families so distressing that the police began investigations with a view to criminal charges.
“I would not for one moment want anyone to interpret my remarks as a signal to engage in any form of threatening behaviour,” he said. The picture of a stable door being bolted while, in the background, a horse at the gallop disappears over the horizon springs to mind.
It was noticeable, too, that McCoist’s attempt at a “rescue” did not even hint at the possibility of culpability on his part, far less an apology to the panellists and their distraught families.
He may be relatively inexperienced in his present post, but he has been in professional football for 33 years, all but a handful of them in association with Rangers. In the circumstances, he would, unquestionably, be perfectly aware of the potential for appalling behaviour among certain followers of the club.
If nothing else, he ought surely to have been familiar with the regularly-documented and legally-pursued instances of assaults, abuses, threats and attempts on the life of his rival at Celtic, Neil Lennon.
But McCoist’s injudiciousness simply chimes with the general transformation of Rangers over the past two decades from a trophy-gathering phenomenon into a magnet for bad management. The series of saboteurs ranges from David Murray, whose ego-driven excesses should be recognised as the single most significant factor in Rangers’ present predicament, through the questionable motives and actions of his successor, Craig Whyte, to the representatives of Duff & Phelps, now widely regarded as the most incompetent administrators ever to be charged with righting a listing football club.
Astoundingly, Murray seems still to command the loyalty of a reliable band of apologists, among whom his former manager, Walter Smith, may be understandably – and even forgivably – numbered.
But the attempts in certain quarters of the media to present a revisionist view of history – one in which Murray is totally exculpated in the matter of Rangers’ potentially fatal wounding – have been utterly shameless. It is as though the former owner/chairman, who is officially dead where football is concerned, continues to exert an influence on his former lapdogs from beyond the grave.
Smith’s recent exercise in condemning Whyte was such an example of unadulterated propaganda, complete with see-through inaccuracies, that it was easy to wonder if we were playing the old time machine game, returning to the Murray heyday.
Having expressed bewilderment over the speed with which Rangers seemed to have descended into penury, Smith insisted that he had, at the end of last season, left “a debt-free club” that was on a sound financial footing. Staggeringly, he insisted that the extravagances of the Murray tenure were an irrelevance.
“You can make your own judgment on what happened before,” said Smith, “but the fact is none of that mattered. In May of last year, all of that had disappeared.”
Well, all of it except the £18 million of bank debt that had been transferred to Whyte, the admitted £4.2 million bill known as the wee tax case, the millions owed to clubs in Scotland, England and Europe for a variety of reasons, plus a lengthy list of creditors from ancillary trades.
There was also, of course, the spectre of the big tax case, which could yield a further liability of upwards of £70 million.
To paraphrase John Cleese in Monty Python’s Life of Brian, “apart from that, what harm did David Murray ever do Rangers?”
As if Murray and Whyte were not enough for one benighted club to take, the administrators have, since their arrival, proved about as helpful as gatecrashers. Consultation with an array of qualified people in the financial and legal professions has confirmed that none has ever heard of a period of administration that has not produced a single redundancy.
What it has brought is further haemorrhaging, to the tune of £2.5 million in the first two months of the Duff & Phelps stewardship. Now the administrators, who seem not to have complied with even one of their own “final and binding” deadlines since they took the wheel on 14 February, are making confident noises about winning an appeal against the sentence of the judicial panel. Their optimism reportedly based on encouraging (private) words from the SFA chief executive, Stewart Regan.
Maybe Regan didn’t want to spoil the moment with a reminder that any appeals panel will also be independent. And quite beyond his influence.
source: Scotsman
28 Apr 2012 11:19:21
To all decent gers fans,
I would like to say as a celtic fan iam glad their now seems to be a bit of light at end of tunnel for yous,
I fail to see how celtic or rangers would do without the other,
Over last few months it seems to be do the spl sfa celtic n all other people not realise things will go bust without gers,doing things to jepordize rangers come back,
Their is nothing any of the above can do to help,
Anything else is chairmen having to do the best for club as you would expect yourself,
I can undetstand frustration & lashing out,beleive or not if anybody could help they would,
As your rite of course scotland needs rangers,
Celtic due 40,000 but not a mention from celtic until it was published by dnp becoz people with maturity between the old firm have respect for one another,
Please concentrate on help re building your club instead of the mentioned,yous will survive & have more freinds for it,burning bridges never helps,
To a cracking game on sunday
Everything you said is true am a gers fan we will not get any held from the spl or the sfa no other team go up against the sfa other than the old firm for Neil Lennon up for 3 charges for sticking up for his team is a joke sfa are a joke no body can take them serious again . Enjoy the game tomorrow ... Kenny bluenose
Good post m8, hopefully everyone will behave and keep the singing good natured without the usual stuff. As for today i would suggest fellow fans march to David Murray's offices rather than those of the SFA (They won't be there anyway) as i feel he and Whyte have done more damage to our club than anyone else. Good luck tomorrow my Celtic friend but i hope it's a blue win.
Cheers guys,failing a green win how about a classic 4 4
Well said mate, I do want Rangers punished for their crimes but not to the extent that they dont exist anymore. They need to pay what they owe and then hopefully they can eventually get back on their feet and one day challenge Celtic again. I look forward to that day.
Drew
Good post mate,as a Rangers fan of many years i to want the club to step up and pay what is owed you can not expect to walk away from this nor do we want to but we do need to reach some sort of agreement with the SFA so that we can contiue as a going concern and also pay our dues as we would expect anyone else to do likewise the media is always finding negative issues with regards to the Old Firm still the best derby in my opinion looking forward to tomorrow and may the best team win..
28 Apr 2012 11:08:14
Off topic I know, but a talking point maybe?
Am I the only 1 to think Pep G. is leaving Barca at the right time ( for him). He nherited the vast majority of the current player pool, but,
Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Villa, Abidal are all coming to the end of their considerable prime. The newbies brought n this year haven't been the class he's used to. He won't have mega millions to spend in the summer & Jose seems to have the measure of him now.
What dyu think?
bill72
I think Chelsea would be daft to take him on - another very expensive failure?
Let DiMatteo do the job. He knows the English and European scenes. He will succeed.
Guardiola was promised as much as he wanted to spend on the team this summer if he had stayed on.
I like to think he really is taking a rest and this isn't some ruse to fill a vacancy elsewhere and avoiding compensation to Barca. Anyhow, yes, 4 years is a long time in Spanish football - Real Madrid managers are lucky to last a year. But like Chelsea managers I suppose. He's got his place in the pantheon of Spanish football legends now along with the likes of Cruyff. Good luck to him whatever he chooses to do.
To the person who disagrees with #2: check the stories about what Sandro Rosell promised Guardiola if he stayed and you'll see it's true.
28 Apr 2012 10:26:04
Young team for next season?
Alexander; Cole, Perry, Bocanegra, Wallace; Ness, Hutton, Fleck, McCabe; Little, Naismith
You won't be able to afford the wages and Wallace will be returned to Hearts because you won't be able to pay the balance on his transfer fee.
I love it, that team looks strong to me...jsm
Naismith? You wont see him for dust in a few weeks.
Joeshmo1888
@1, hearts couldn't afford to return the money rangers have already paid or his wages
Hearts do not need to return any money, does anyone on here actually know anything about football or is it just full of kids typing the same stuff over and over again or copying and pasting things that sound good out of newspapers.
28 Apr 2012 09:21:32
I dtill think we shud play the under 18's tomorrow,
Give them experience for next year!!
bill72
Your bonkers mate
Not in an old firm game mate. Nothing to play for but bragging rights but that's everything in this fixture
Irony
Smile FFS
bill72
It will be interesting PR. I mean, what's to lose?
The match? On the other hand what would this say to Scottish Football if Rangers win with a U18 squad? I don't think Celtic would be happy about playing the u18s.
28 Apr 2012 09:14:03
can the sfa not understand that they need to keep rangers in the spl. if we liquidate then go to division 3 nobody gets any money in the spl. They will all end up in admin. Surely the only way Scottish football can survive is to have a succesful rangers in iit. Really hoping the BK and TBK can pull it off. I am praying for this. And really bears once we are back up where we belong we should go into the EPL, sky would have us tomorrow.
The other clubs won't go into admin - they'll just downsize.
Sky doesn't control the EPL. And anyway, there's no chance of Rangers going to England - it's unbelievable how many people still think it's a viable option. It's an unachievable dream, nothing more.
Get a grip man the epl dnt want us, uefa wont allow it, aint gonna happen m8, not a chance ntbear
''can the sfa not understand that they need to keep rangers in the spl. if we liquidate then go to division 3 nobody gets any money in the spl.''
Wrong they will still get money maybe just not as much.
''They will all end up in admin''
celtic,hibs & maybe a couple of others wont.the rest will find it very hard.
''Surely the only way Scottish football can survive is to have a succesful rangers in iit.''
50/50 on that i do believe the old firm need each other as do the other teams as when the away fans go to ie killie etc they make good amount of money (infact killie made 150k i think in tickets alone when we won the league down there this season & properly about the same last year when rangers won it down their aswell) most celtic fans i know dont want to see rangers go down,we just want them to be hit hard for years but stay up.
''Really hoping the BK and TBK can pull it off. I am praying for this. And really bears once we are back up where we belong we should go into the EPL, sky would have us tomorrow''
HA ! would they? 2008 ring anybells ?riots etc? sky dont want rangers or celtic down there neither do any of the teams so lets face facts theres a slim chance it will happen any time in the next 10 - 20 years.
lenny
Would be good to go to England but no chance after the Manchester fiasco !
If the SFA stoop to such blackmail, which is effecctively what you are suggesting, then that sets a bad precedent. Yes, the other clubs need to know that their funds are reduced by enforcing the rules. But I get the sense that they are prepared to go through with this having been led up the path by Rangers for so long.
Lenny, "Celtic and Hibs won't go into admin" What colour are the lenses in your glasses I wonder.
"2008, riots" Stop blaming what happened in Manchester for us not getting to the epl, the old firm have been trying to get to the epl for years prior to that. We all know the reasons for it not happening.
Sensible bit of your post in the middle, the rest of your reply is tosh.
pappy
28 Apr 2012 09:06:55
I still cant get my heid on this, can we no just get the shares off Whyte, hes a crook. Give them to PM hes got the clubs best interest in his heart and just pay the money over to the florists and the newsagent first then whats left goes to the tax. Then PM and TBK can get a loan from the bank and we can get a new war chest for next season. WATP
What an awesome plan, more debt would be the greatest thing we can do, we could even ask pm to stick his bid money in the fruit machines, all those credits would garuantee at least one jackpot! ntbear
Rusty the tim here!!ok nugget let's just rip every1 off with just paying a wee bit of debt off then in the same year get a loan to pay for 3 or 4 million pound players!! Get a grip you tube!!then let's just take his shares that he owns!!!so if I walk into your house can I keep it???honestly you rangers fans are really deluded!!!the takeovers are conditional which d&p don't want!!if tbk have rangers at heart why don't they just go for it and take out the wee clauses???hail hail rusty the tim
And you think Rangers will get a loan from any bank?
I dont want rangers to ever get any more loans we will survive nicely off our youth system an d post profits every season we are more than capable of this
Looks like the only guys that can get CW's shares are Ticketus who look like they'll "see him in court". Otherwise it's through negotiiation with D&P or they'll be likely worthless if the club is liquidated.
28 Apr 2012 08:59:11
season ticket holder given front and fed up with the whole thing lets go to the third division or better still start again as a new co in england
England would have to agree to Gers coming down and I can't see that happening
28 Apr 2012 08:52:49
Does anyone really care about tomorrow's game? I think its just a total waste of time and means nothing.
When we play I always care if we win or lose. CheltBlue
All oldfirms mean something
trueblue
The league's over yes but celtic v rangers still means something thats why its the best derby in the world
Mr Blonde
No wonder he/she never left a name.....
james rfc 1980
28 Apr 2012 08:43:52
Ed: We need to start listing Facts ...
Please post so we can discuss:
Fact1: Ticketus have walked away.
Fact2 :Two horse race now to pick
up a bargain Club for 12Million..
with Assets worth 100Million.
Fact3: Need to rebuild a Team.
Best Players will walk away.
Replacement players would cost
millions in SPL. SFA Ban could mask
the shortfall (no cash).
Fact 4: Need to Hire new Manager
and staff (Keep the PR man AM).
Would cost Millions in SPL -
low wages - low standards.
Fact 5: Season books prices need to
be reduced (can't charge high pricely s
for young team- Fans Rip-off)
Fact 6: Expect to dig Deep (Fans will
need to pay back the 12Million)
Fact 7: HMRC still require payment
and can then again force business to
close.
Fact 8: D&F need to be paid Millions
Fact 9:The Sharks are lookinng for
Control Only. What can you buy for
12Million these days!
Plan - Close oldCO and start newCo.
Fact 10: EBT investigation still to find
people who never paid TAX and still
living in UK ,even just to shame them.
Fact 11: Craig Whyte still has the
Shares and hence the Assets.
Fact 1 - no, Ticketus have to look after their investment and it looks like they'll go after CW rather than get into bed with another owner of dubious credentials
Fact 11 - Kind of. Except the book value of Rangers is probably negative just now so his shares are worthless. He's holding out for a deal, though, by the looks of things and seems content to see liquidation happen if he can't get his way. Blackmail? You bet.
28 Apr 2012 08:37:36
why has ally not asked for all benifactors of EBTs to be named because the rangers fans deserve to know ! surely these guys have done more damage to rangers than the hampden 3
Ally would not want to drop his cronnies in it now would he?
Because Ally is one of them?
Dont be blaming players for exepting ebt any one would,if your work said look il give you your wages tax free.....wot would you do? the players were not tax men and further more i bet they werent rangers fans
A rangers shareholder could find out who they were easily.wonder why it's not been done yet.I would have thought the press or supporters groups would have asked this........green jhedi
Does it matter? It's the club that has to answer for the avoided taxes.
Why name them? Rangers haven't been found guilty of any wrong doing in regards to the BTC, until such time as they are found guilty then nobody should be named.
Why is the BTC taking so long to come to a conclusion? Surely if Rangers are guilty of tax evasion the HMRC would come down hard on them without the need for a court case?
TTG
28 Apr 2012 08:22:25
Could llorente make it in the epl (can't believe this is a serious question!). Could Jordan henderson make it in Spain? nope. Llorente is quite probably good enough for Barca. No need to bother coming to this rain-soaked little island. Here's my llorente profile: andy caroll only with some football ability. Seesh dim alloy I know you're a half-wit from the constant stream of tripe that goes up here from you but can you no watch a player yourself and judge?!? If Barca had him they could have got crosses in the box against 10 men on the goal-line chelski. Maybe now pep's gone the slightly obsessive tiki taka, often insipid one dimensional, let's just keep the ball and go nowhere approach can be parked so that there is at least a plan B for when that isnae working. P.s. looks a bit like fernando toerag and big tarzan caroll are going to need two- three seasons+ to "find their feet" ed. :-)
28 Apr 2012 06:45:35
Am i missing something here but what has changed from last weeks accepted offers of conditionsl valuation to D.& F. and yesterdays new offers by the BK and Bill Miller to D & F.
New statement "this offer we consider to be substantinal"
As i have stated why offer more money for the club what has changed we still have the transfer ban an we still have that vulture CW hanging around and why has Ticketus withdrawn.
Answer- It is my opinion all parties are aware (RANGERS HAVE WON ALL OR IF NOT A LARGE % OF THE TAX CASE AGAINST HMRC)
For this reason Ticketus would benifit more as a creditor and receive up front larger slice of the creditors pot.
28 Apr 2012 06:30:52
It's time for d&p tae earn there corn and stop pussy footing and name the preferred bidder today time has ran out for our club ever day is costing more money that we ain't got move yer arse d&p.
28 Apr 2012 06:26:46
Why is it every time this are on the verge a being named the preferred bidder this miller guy jumps in something stinks here aka(Craig s**te).
28 Apr 2012 06:09:32
If millers bid is bigger than TBK i assume this would mean mire money for creditors? Are D & P obliged to take the higher bid irrespective of other impacts e.g Newco?
28 Apr 2012 02:46:06
Just had a great night sitting with all my rangers mates a really good night a really really good night
Yes iam a tim, they were all as serious as fu"k it was brilliant just listening and watching and throwing the odd line in they were biting like piranha ha,.,.kbarry
Congrats on having the 5 thickest Bears in history as mates then....wonder what their version of the night would be?
How do you know there were five of them? Are you a telephoto lens guy? How disturbing......green jhedi
It was probably like the billy connolly joke when one fan goes into the wrong end, while you were thinking they were biting at your stupid little remarks they were p$%sing in your beer.
andy
28 Apr 2012 00:25:57
Time to face facts folks, it doesn't matter who the preferred bidder or new owner is,, if ticketus ( the main ceditor) doesn't accept the offer of a CVA then it's curtains. They are the ones pulling the strings here
Ticketus ???
is it not hmrc
Ticketus will agree to some sort of deal if not rangers will be liquidated and they will have 4 years worth of tickets to a club that no longer excists there tickets wo'nt be valid to a new rangers
Thanks to Mr Whyte
I agree, supporters been played for fools by admin and BKs, sooner liquidation happens the better, can at least follow new co with a crumb of dignity
28 Apr 2012 00:14:40
The story so far, in a never ending saga, Brian Kennedy has joined the Blue Knights(BK's). Bill Miller(BM) has also submitted his bid.
I think the BK's & BM should have a chat about their aims for the club. If those aims concur, they should join forces.
If the BK's & BM join forces, in the interests of the club,they should contact Bill Ng (he said he reluctantly withdrew from the process) to establish if he is still interested & if he is-get him involved.
The collective finances of these groups will provide more money for a(possible) CVA pot.
I know this idea is collection of if's, but's,maybe's & hopeful thinking.
If (I know another if!) these people have the best interests of Rangers Football Club at heart they will get together & sort something out & save our club.
BTW anyone know who the German bidders were?
ThatsNotMyName
Boris becker?
Heard it was Jorge Albertz offering to hand back his EBT
Who carse who the germans were ??
they got told to jog very quickly
27 Apr 2012 23:55:16
lets get make this clear - rangers afforded the players during the murray era. we paid the clubs for the lavish transfer fees. Words such as "financial doping" and "cheating" getting thrown around are absolutly ridiculous.
What about Chelsea?
Man City?
Man UTD - 800M in debt
Aresenal during the untouchables era?
no outcry against these teams
These clubs will soon be unable to meet the costs of thier spending. Roman is already wanting away from chelsea, the sheik will eventually get bored, arsenal are getting chased for millions.
Teams spend money on players and it inevitably catches up with them - it happened at celtic, they almost went bankrupt.
What is cheating is marseille bribing refs!
Juventus Match fixing!
What was illegal was not paying tax - which did not effect the performances on the pitch. we will be punished accordingly but no more than any other team would be and we will pay our debts
so to everyother team and their fans - get over yourselves - were here to stay
ryanrfc
The thing is ryanrfc rangers wont pay off all its debts...rangers had 63 players on ebt,s how many players had illegal 2nd contracts?how many of these players where playing whilst not properly registered?the goalie as he was known was seemingly one of them with 2 contracts.
To poster above wheres yer proof of these 63 players u ave no idea what u are talking about timmy
No one had second contracts and no amount of wishful thinking on your part can change that. let it go, you have no proof and just come across as desperate.
And by the way, if that was a joke about schizophrenia, you're an erse.
1.)
until we all know for sure -please give it rest - its becoming VERY boring!
bill72
We shouldn't concern ourselves with other clubs and what they were doing,we need to straighten the mess we are in out FACT!. Only when this is done can we start to move on and continue to be the GREAT CLUB that we are. BLUNTRU72 LLRFC
What proof do u have that we had dual contracts? It's all gossip. Mainly paper gossip. Have you lifted the spl trophy yet? :) lol
All this talk about double contracts!! There obviously isn't any evidence of this or we would have heard something about it. It's not that hard to check a players credit history.
TTG