Rangers Banter Archive April 28 2013

28 Apr 2013 23:15:38
Who here has seen the deeds.

And who here knows how many copies there are
And who here knows how many sets of keys there for ibrox

28 Apr 2013 20:57:27
Take it all use guys have seen the deeds in the paper but how come it is only showing us folders and no extracts from it or no names as to who owns it. If it was that easy how come Ally or Walter couldn't of showed us them before now. To the post talking about a sit in or pitch invasion on saturday i'm definately up for that. Its time we took our club back from these spivs and conmen

At last we may be going to act ? let's hope so and let's not be "put off" by Ally and Walter etc. they should in fact be joining us.

Charlie boys companys? mmmm getting a wage for them all I take it? from us
RANGERS INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL CLUB PLC Active 04/12/2012 -
RANGERS MEDIA LIMITED Active 08/11/2012 -
GARRION SECURITY SERVICES LIMITED Active 28/09/2012 -
RANGERS MEDIA INVESTMENTS LIMITED Active 14/06/2012 -
RANGERS MATCHDAY SERVICES LIMITED Active 14/06/2012 -
RANGERS YOUTH DEVELOPMENT LIMITED Active 14/06/2012 -
RANGERS FINANCIAL SERVICES LIMITED Active 14/06/2012 -
THE RANGERS SHOP LIMITED Active 14/06/2012 -
THE RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED Active 29/05/2012 -
SEVCO 5088 LIMITED Active 03/05/2012 -
ASDFGHJKL LIMITED Dissolved 21/06/2012 -
RANGERS. CO. UK LIMITED

Stockbridges?
RANGERS INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL CLUB PLC Active 04/12/2012 -
RANGERS MEDIA LIMITED Active 08/11/2012 -
GARRION SECURITY SERVICES LIMITED Active 28/09/2012 -
RANGERS MATCHDAY SERVICES LIMITED Active 14/06/2012 -
RANGERS YOUTH DEVELOPMENT LIMITED Active 14/06/2012 -
RANGERS FINANCIAL SERVICES LIMITED Active 14/06/2012 -
RANGERS MEDIA INVESTMENTS LIMITED Active 14/06/2012 -
THE RANGERS SHOP LIMITED Active 14/06/2012 -
RANGERS. CO. UK LIMITED
mmmmm Mr Stockbridge seems to be really close to Mr Green in fact seesm to be getting as much out our Team as he is? what's the fek is Murray saying he thinks Stockbridge is best man for job for? god even a blind man can see he and Green are like bloody twins,, ripping us of for millions? what's the price to Rangers Football Club these other companys are charging? ohhhh my bloody god how blind have we really been?

This whole deeds nonsense is obviously to sell season tickets. Look at the list of companies Green formed under the one umbrella. He is in control, but is being challenged by whyte. Either way a chancer will own Rangers at the end.

The above companies are LIMITED and owned by one or two Directors. They are not owned by TRIFC shareholders. Trifc is a Plc and that's what fans bought into.

I will join in with the rest

28 Apr 2013 19:04:56
So Sunday Mail can see the deeds - but the agents preparing the IPO can't?

Please explain.

Zed

Good point, Rangers official website maybe a starting platform show them to the people who ultimately make Rangers what they are, the fans! PB

I would be very dubious about the authenticity of these documents they could only show to the sunday mail. (sister paper of the daily ranger)the ST renewal forms going out, got a sneaky feeling these documents will somehow disappear once the STs are bought. If they were there all the time why did, nt they show them to the fans before now. IT STINKS. gary

Read the joke article carefully. It doesn't categorically state anything. That would have been a huge story but its just a byline for mugs to swallow. I have the deals bit never saying the club owns them outright. Just get those season tickets bought. how can you believe lies after lies

Ironically, Brown's "Show us the deeds" demands play right into Green et al's hands. They could show the deeds (which they really haven't) but it won't really prove anything. But it does give them an opportunity to dupe the fans again with a gesture like the one in the Mail yesterday.

Craig Whyte (I will be the Hero when all of this is done, mark my words) returned to Scotland from Monaco a few days ago bringing his deeds with him. He loaned them to good friend Stockbridge for an hour and got them back, to rush off to afternoon tea in the Balmoral Edinburgh with SDM.

28 Apr 2013 16:12:41
The deeds have been shown, why it took this long is astonishing, but they appear to be in order. That's what Bomber called for, that's what the fans have called for, that's what the tax and legal experts said couldn't be done.

Can we now move on please, can we ignore the ramblings of Whyte, can we treat his comments with utter disbelief please. The man is a liar, a charlatan, a spiv, a con man, and if he is not broke now, he will be very soon. This man, if he can be described as that, should be ignored completely.

If he wants to go to court then let him carry on, he does not exactly have the best record in court cases. He threatens court at every possible moment but never goes to court.

This whole debacle has been largely fuelled by rumours and threats. We had the rumours of £180m debt, we had rumours of title stripping, we had rumour after rumour from tax experts from the east, we have rumours deeds not being in our Rangers name. I really believe these rumours had a great deal to do with CVA not being accepted, with subsequent liquidation and with the resulting newco.

Just once it would be nice to deal in facts rather than rumours.

Stockbridge said: “I have the title deeds for Ibrox, Murray Park and the Albion car park. There is speculation Craig Whyte owns them, or Charles, or that the club doesn’t. It is very easily dispelled.

Does he actually say WHO's name or which company (and who owns / are directors ofthat company) is actually on the deed documents. and are all three assets 'owned' by the same compay / people?

That's not the issue. A court has to decide somewherdown the road if Whytes floating charge over those assets is still valid. Only when that verdict is announced can we move on and not have to be concerned

Sorry, don't live in the uk. was it just the journalist, or did an expert look at the deeds? dave & hugh

"Mr Stockbridge. These deeds have been written on the back of a beermat. And they still say Craig Whyte is the owner. And owner is spelled wrong!"

28 Apr 2013 16:00:28
I see that league reconstruction is back on the table, still for next season. All leagues have been decided, over, and yet this nonsense is still on the table for next year. It is beyond belief.

What about the statement that there will be no cherry picking of ideas. They have discussed this reconstruction for months, it was rejected, they are now cherry picking and don't be surprised if this latest cobbling together of some new idea goes through in days. The lunatics are truely running the asylum.

Not for the good of Scottish football because of the first div clubs that will earn more, simple as that. All of those clubs that used the term "sporting integrity" should have a long goog look at themselves. There is no "sporting integrity" in this at all, it is look after number one, just that.

I have no problem with reconstruction, I don't care what reconstruction looks like, because whatever is pushed through will not make one iota of a difference. It is the same teams, same number of fans, same players. There is no difference at all. However to push this through at the very end of the season is totally unacceptable, it is bordering on crooked, it is pathetic in the extreme.

Why can we not have discussions, come to a sensible, well thought out plan and have it in place for the beginning of the following season?

Why the desperate hurry?

Rash decisions are usually the wrong decisions.

You can say whatever you want, but I still believe this is all being done to suit the rangers

1) please explain how it suits Rangers. Are you suggesting that Rangers will be invited to SPL 2?

I don't think there is a hope in hell of that happening.

IMO. some sort of set up will be introduced for next season, mibee an spl 2, but anyway rangers will win it and get back into top league. I don't think there's any way they're going to make the rangers go 3/4 years in the lower leagues, just can't see it, but that's only my opinion. they've been bending over backwards for them up to now its not going to change, they're all corrupt to the core. gary

Bending over backwards, really?
Why because they gave us a licence?
If they had not the game in Scotland would be totally finished, you take 45,000 people away from watching the game, then shut the doors.

@4, I have to disagree. I don't believe that the 45,000 you mention would all give up football completely. After the mourning period, I would imagine that many would end up going to watch their local teams, taking their kids with them. Maybe after a number of years of this we would have a more level playing field in Scottish football.
Al

29 Apr 2013 17:36:59
A more level playing feild? What you mean one club with 40. 000 season ticket holders, their only rivals dissolved, and they have millions to spend whenever they feel threatened, and you believe in a few years we would have a level playing feild? Are you mad? Tommyblue, ps, take rangers out mate and the game here is done

@6, the last time I was at the shrink I got a clean bill of health. If you think those 40,000 and their offspring for years to come would be lost to football for good then maybe you are mad.
I don't believe that your team are as important as you seem to believe.
Al

28 Apr 2013 10:23:41
I find it very interesting that King has evidence that Whyte can't legally claim the assets. Read on here the other day bout King being involved in all of this mess and his claim in the Herald seems to support it. How can he be involved in he isn't a fit and proper person? Been reading comments on here that King has cleared up his tax issues but can't fund anything online to confirm. Ed what you think bout Kings involvement? {Ed001's Note - the problem is that very few wealthy men are wealthy because they are decent men. You just don't amass that kind of money without cutting corners or finding loopholes etc. The only real difference is that King has been caught and not been able to buy his way out, like so many others do. Personally I think clubs should be owned by the fans, in other words be clubs not businesses. No one person should be able to own more than one share of it.}

Ok I need help with this to
when Whyte was given Rangers by Murray it was given with stipulations
that Whyte had to do this and do that
what were these stipulations
and were they carried out
if not can this be unraveled back to Murray?. Les

Who said he was not fit and proper?
he was good enough to put millions in a few years ago.
he has several company's for sale in south Africa to pay back the tax.
I am sure we will see Mr King at Ibrox in the next season or two.

joburg bear

There seems to be no end of people who have 'evidence' but strangely we as fans never see it. Until we actually see'evidence' it is just hearsay and speculation which in our case seems always to be negative.

I feel we and in particular the press give way too much credence to what Whyte says. He is a proven liar, he has lied time after time and yet when he says something people panic. I think the man is incapable of telling the truth. We should ignore anything he says and as King describes it his "latest fabrication".

The deeds have been shown, that's what was asked for, and at long last that appears to have been proven. Let Whyte go to court if he wants, until he wins any court case let's treat his comments with the utter disdain that they deserve. This is a desperate man clutching at straws. The one good thing to come of this is that his comments have got rid of Green and Ahmad.

@4 If Whyte's comments have no creedence then there's no reason why Green should have left. And the deeds haven't been shown yet.

@4 so whose name was on the deeds then? Did you see any names? But because supposed Rangers men hold up a file with title deeds written on the you immediately assume that everything is all hunky dorey! People like you who swollow swollow everything these crooks tell you is proper and correct! You need to start asking questions mate instead of being taken in as a gullible cash cow (no disrepect intended) for these crooks!

28 Apr 2013 01:01:48
In regards to the use of " Aye Ready" by some folks on here, when the crest is reads "Ready".

When ma Auld man and me used tae heed oot tae the Gem. He'd turn an look at me and say "Ready" tae which I would reply "Aye Ready!" All ma uncle's use it tae! Goes waaay back, at least tae ma Papa.

I wonder if the team still say it before kick off?

I'm glad it was brought up, priceless memories for me!

Aye Ready.

Are you aware Rangers cannot use it on any merchandise? The IP office has it as dead.

Ive a rangers supporters association badge with aye ready motto on it, but I think motto belonged to glasgow fire service, and was dropped by rangers to ( ready ) doug t. s. o

28 Apr 2013 13:41:30
The word aye was taken off the motto some years ago, tblue

27 Apr 2013 12:06:08
ed is there any chance that some team will take cribari off our hands? he is the only brazilion that can't play football! waste of wages would feel a lot more comfortable with a luca gasparotto in there for what I have seen of him!

Great post, cribari is a dud and I think young luca is going to be a great centre half for us in near future

He is on, supposedly, £10k per week mate. Who's going to pay that? He's here for another three years!

28 Apr 2013 13:00:53
well let's hope he is missing the sun and heads back to brazil cause luca looks a better centre back by a mile briblue

Surely not! 10k! whit?!
Even we're no daft enough to shell out 10K per week in Div 3. are we?!
Spot on though. Cribari is utter mince, fail to see how he was ever offered a contract at all.

Goian and Bocanegra are still to come back yet, so we could end up with Goian and Cribari centrebacks with Boca at left back and Argyriou at right back, the worst defence in football for the worst manager ever. Why are we paying to watch dross like this, come on Bears let's get this sorted or tell McCoist and his bosses (whoever they are this week) to shove their club because this is not the Rangers I grew up supporting on or off the pitch, this is a disgrace and ALL of those involved should be removed permanently and very quickly, another season like the last two could spell disaster for OUR club and while we thought Smith, McCoist and co would look out for Rangers they have been blatantly caught with their hands in the till, these charlatans should be banished from Ibrox forever they have allowed this to happen whilst backing it 100%, McCoist in particular is proving what a vile specimen he really is by backing yet another dodgy chairman in the name of taking Rangers forward, it seems to me that 90% of Rangers supporters think the players are crap, 75% think McCoist is crap and probably 100% think the board are crooking us, taking Rangers forward is he having a laugh?! the only things that have improved under McCoist are the bank accounts of himself and his employers/co conspirators.

Rant over.

Cannot understand how you could have worst defence in football/ worst manager and still win a league. Take it we must have a pretty good strike force to keep our goal diff up!!

You, ve got to be in it to win it

sorry but no just no. McCoist. vile?

i, m very happy that he is where he is just now

not a manager of Rangers by a million miles. but in the vipers den fighting for Rangers. Les

McCoist to manage Rangers. no
for McCoist to do the right thing for Rangers in our never ending hour of need. in ally I trust. Les

28 Apr 2013 18:22:51
Rafael Scheidt remember him, he was brazillian and he was Scheidt.

Ally McCoist is not fighting in the vipers den for Rangers. he is on £20k a week, basically he is assett stripping from within, how can we move forward paying that kind of money to anyone who as bad at their job as he most definitely is? Also he has shares which is conflict of interest which money is winning hands down, the money he told us to spend on shares.