Rangers Banter Archive August 28 2012

28 Aug 2012 20:31:51
What happened to the guy eremenko who used to play for kilmarnock. He was a decent player and was rumoured to be a target of ours a while back before the administration carry on. Would like to see players that can play football, pass the ball well but also have a bit of grit and be able to get stuck in when needs. I have heard Fink is a bit of a scrapper, but maybe another creative player to help mckay and mcleod with their learning curve.
Gsn72563

If you'd bothered to use google, you'd have found an answer to your question lol

He plays for Rubin Kazan in Russia, which probably means he's rather well remunerated.

Eremenko plays for metalist kharkiv

Was on about 40k a week at Kazan duno where he is now though

28 Aug 2012 20:08:12
Had a visit from a Celtic pal of mine and see that ticketus are appearing again in comments. The nonsense that they are now spouting is that Green is an employee of ticketus and they are owners of the ground.

This is similar to the dross spouted by Bomber, why do they not understand that whyte guaranteed the ticketus deal and they are going after him. They cannot come against
newco, the same ad HMRC cannot come after newco. In fact the only ones that seem above the rules of not coming after newco is SFA.

Expect more ticketus dross to appear in next few days. Seems they are still obsessed with us, they just can't get enough.

There will be plenty of discussions going on between Ticketus, D&P, Whyte (if he's responding), HMRC and BDO. It's just not being released to the press, that's all.

But why let the truth get in the way of some good conspiracy theories?

If you'd check, it's not just fans of other teams talking about Ticketus but your fellow Rangers fans too.

You're another one who harks on and on about obsession when you fail to see that it's not; instead, it's just entertainment at posting banter that you can't deal with and at the continued delusion and denial.

All I'll say to that is:-

Stockbridge

Ahmed

Dig deeper,

Keep digging,

Dig a little further . . .

You seem to be ignoring Whyte in all this.You really think an experienced scammer like him would leave himself open to that kinda lawsuit?

It's laughable that you think only Timmys could think Ticketus are still involved. Mark my words they haven't just done 'walking away'.

Hamish

Octopus/ Ticketus Singaporean Billionaires don't do walking away from £26.5million. In for a penny in for a pound! For £5.5m extra, which happened to be D&Ps bill, they got the whole show debt free, worth circa £120m. Instead of 4 years tickets they got the whole business.

Who could resist ally mcoist's comedy roadshow. best show on the box.

28 Aug 2012 19:14:18
charlie green taking the season books money then letting players leave 27 now walked away

What are you on?
The season ticket money is used to run the club or do you want to have the season ticket money in the bank and insist Green pays all bills personally. Think you have had enough tonight mate

Green bought GERS with a loan, season ticket pays of most of that loan.

Wheres the £30million he said was available... ?

Green bought the old club's ASSETS with a loan. We were told he paid £5.5m. Can we please be told who gave him the loan? Thanks.

He said 30 million he didnt say 30 million what.

His investors who do you think

28 Aug 2012 18:43:27
Looking for a type of player to come in has obviously been tricky, I'm not the biggest fan of our scouting system, if you can call it that, If there is any money to spend then these are the players we should be targeting(If they/clubs are willing of course)
Paul McGowan(Fantastic signing)
Jamie Murphy
Chris Humphrey
Andrew Driver
Craig Sibbald
Kenny Mclean
Good young players already in the 1st team who can play football, pass and move, these are the type i want to see go to ibrox as when we get back into the SPL (If it's still there)all these players can more than hold there own at that level.
I know some would be unwilling to drop down to div 3 and Clubs may be unwilling to sell but this is just my opinon on the type of player we should be looking at.
Our team has the look of route one outfit all over it and this must change, With no real width in the squad we are going to struggle against a lot of teams as high balls through the middle are easily dealt with by most in div 3.
Look at Swansea, a few years ago they were the small club in Wales now they just might get a Euro place if they continue, they had a blueprint to get a coach who could implement a style of play that would be successful as well as entertaining(Yes you can have both)
Even though they lost there original coach they brought in a person with a similar mindset to carry on and improve the work, now I know it has been a year of turmoil for all involved with the club, but what is our style of play? It shouldn't matter that players have left as the style of play should be known by all at the club, Here's the problem....There isn't one, to me it is just a hopefull kick and rush, which was only tolerated as the back were reasonably solid(Not any more)
I can't see any see any pattern of play and for professional foootballers to be unable to keep possesion of the ball against a part time team is nothing short of scandalous, The old excuse of other teams trying harder and closing down quicker doesn't wash with me, If anything a good passing team would have them chasing shadows.
Then there is the fitness side of it, A team that trains 2-3 times a week against one that is full time, Who should be fitter(even at this stage of the season)
I know our pre season has not had the games, but the training and closed door games have still been there. 3 draws against 3 part time teams scraping by with the skin of our teeth is what i would expect over the course of the whole season, not 3 weeks into it.
Bottom line ,the manager and his staff need to have a long think about the way Rangers play the game, this is there chance to change our style of play and put that ethos into the whole club if they don't or can't then it will be a long season.
BR

Good shout about sibbald fantastic young player.
craig+babybear

I agree with the OP. we need to establish a patteren of play. for the last couple of years i've been watching Rangers and wandering what the hell they do at training. In games they look void of any ideas, they strugle to pass the ball 5 yards at times and thing like corners and free kicks hit the fist man or hit the wall.
last season was the worst. i can't think of a game, outwith the OF games we won at ibrox, where we out played an SPL team. Teams Like Killmarnock and St Mirren came to Ibrox and passed the ball and held on to the ball far better than we did.
Now we are in the 3rd Div with a lesser standard of player in our squad and i can see signs of part time clubs who can pass and move better than we can.

Binman says

Please think of a reason why an ambitious young player would ever want to swap the top level of Scottish football for fourth tier obscurity
Even a salary disproportionate to this level of football does not compensate for a minimum of three years in the wilderness.
Quality players need to be in the shop window

28 Aug 2012 18:09:10
may this year a banner read . ally mccoist , your loyalty and sacrifice will never be forgotten.. .. 14 weeks later and half of you have already forgotten and want him sacked. you lot are nothing but flibbertyjibbets .. shamrock {Ed039's Note - does this not happen in football all over the world? If you had been reading the posts properly as well then the majority of them are not commenting on his sacrifice and acknowledge his legendary status but question his ability as a coach)

You know Ed shamerock is right.

Never once have I seen celtic fans throw their scarfs onto the pitch.

;-)

Number 1 you have a short memory, Celtic fans were throwing scarfs onto the pitch in paisley when st mirren beat you 4-0, moggas last game, trust me it happened.

Its too far away same as old ground was lol doug t.s.o

@2
I think that the wink at the bottom means that 1s text was with some sarcasm.

Hoopey67

28 Aug 2012 17:24:49
FFS , no wonder we went bust, Broadfoot on £9k a week. Have heard it all now, no wonder he came back to newco.

Should be done for theft of wages, impersonating a footballer.

Will be hard to sell him as he won't be able to command that anywhere else. Unless an unsuspecting Turkish club comes knocking, that is. Probably have to stick with him.

28 Aug 2012 15:56:39
I'm really worried about the players we have signed and the players we are linked with, how many of these players have any sell on value?

28 Aug 2012 15:04:20
Around 42,000 were at the six SPL games at the weekend, an average of 7,000 a game, without Celtic at home may I add. Rangers pulled in 4,140, the SPL figures are nearly double, come on Gers, get your finger out, where was the great support?

Now of course that was stat-manipulating, circumstantial, mischievous nonsense on my part. But it was last week after the game at Ibrox too. It was a great crowd deserving of credit but beating the rest of the SPL combined is a no-brainer if Celtic were away from home.

The two clubs have an infinitely bigger support than the rest combined of Scottish football combined, as it was, as it is, as it shall be in the future. The real news story would be if either dropped to third in attendances, till then it is a week to week pointless jibefest.

Rangers could play in the Duntocher pub league if such a thing exists and still have Scotland's second biggest gate fortnightly. It's news worthiness is zero regards beating the rest of the SPL.

Michael Exadurating Laudrup

What u banging on about? The rangers game was a sellout, idiot.

OP - Nonsense.
You've missed the main point - 'Sell Out Saturday' campaign by the SPL. This as we all know was to get the message across to Rangers and the fans that the SPL doesn't need us by filling all the stadiums. Nosedived.
Also we were being continually told after the knock back from the SPL we wouldn't sell season tickets, fans wouldn't travel to away games and we would be lucky to get 10,000 at Ibrox.
I would say that it was reasonable for every RFC fan to have a go about attendances, how long it goes on for? how long is the season again?

You do know the ground only holds 4,140 don't you? Happy that we are giving you something to think about and a chance to use your big words.

My you are an idiot 1) as reading paragraph 2 would have told you.

Michael Exadurating Laudrup

Post 1; read the second paragraph.

@1 read his post again, thats what he`s saying. The total attendances are meaningless and figures can be misconstrued.

@3: check the OP's second paragraph.

2) I actually thought it was The Daily Record who dreamed up Sell out Saturday.......DH

@3 clearly you don't get big words like mischievous, of course I know that, my point was stats can be and are manipulated, facts remain when Celtic is away Rangers attendance will far exceed the rest of the league, even on a sell out saturday most likely.

@2 for the record I've already said in here that if Rangers get an average of 34,000 come season end they have done great, that is still way ahead of the what a number of weeks in the SPL will pull.

When you've got to explain sarcasm and mischief it truly does suggest a lack of grey matter but I didn't get the name Michael Exadurating Laudrup without experiencing it in here first hand I suppose.

Thank you 5 & 6.

Michael Exadurating Laudrup

My my all you bears are so easy to wind up.
all these stupid attendance figures you spouted about mean absolutely nothing.
my da can beat your da anyday!!

Good post, not the gers fans that are to blame for this being blown out of proportion, but the usual culprits in the Scottish gutter press. Always looking for the negative slant on every story.

Read your post but the answer you got from post at2.) sums it up perfectly.The missing 12000 at Celtic Park for their opening flag day was put down fans on holidays according to their fans.Will be interesting to see this week attendance.

@13: supposed to be nearly a sell-out but we'll see tomorrow night. Do remember that times are much harder and crowds are down all over the country, especially as British clubs keep putting prices up.

@14)What has tomorrow's night game got to do with sell out Saturdays.We all know times are hard but it was exactly as the guy posted at@2) above is saying a so called big push by the laptop loyal to fill grounds without Rangers Support.Well three weeks in total failure.

@15: there can be a push but if people can't afford it then it'll result in nothing. If a club charges £20 for a ticket and sells 2000 in addition to season tickets (I won't take account of that money) then that's £4000. Say they charge £15 and sell 3000: fans like that it's cheaper and think they'll spend the extra on a programme and a drink. The club makes £4500 from the ticket sales and more from programme and catering.

That example might be over-simplified but clubs need to react to falling numbers by reducing prices. However, the standard of the product and the financial climate may mean that even this won't work.

@15: #13 mentioned this week's attendance and there's a game tomorrow night at Parkhead which is, funnily enough, this week. The post could have also meant the weekend, I guess, but could have meant tomorrow.

28 Aug 2012 13:35:34
So were nearly at the end of another day
& no further forward in the transfer
front.

If anything were going to be another
2 down (Clubfoot & Boca) & only
Fink in the horizon as a possible in.

The German keeper along with Stella
& Celeste have been on trial now
prob the same length of time as
Argyiou, so there obviously not
impressing as much as the Greek,
and will no doubt be sent on their
way.

Surely with tomorrow being Wed &
3 days to go we have to draw the
line at trialists coming in.

Templeton is a no goer Hearts will
not do business with us unless we
pay the whole amount up front
& that aint going to happen.

I feel there is a deal to be done
for Gomis even a loan deal with
us squabbling over the % of his
wages we will take up.

Why were not looking at Skacel is
beyond me surely we could make this
happen.

i've also got a feeling we will make a
bid for Teale £100k at St Mirren to give us
some much needed width down the
right.

Out of all the rumours i wish we could
do a deal with Larrson i think he
would score plenty for us !

So come Friday all I want to happen
is for Boca to stay, Clubfoot to go,
and for us to bring in Fink, Gomis,
Teale, Skacel, & Larrson.

Its not asking to much is it ?

Teale lol. I'm a st mirren season ticket holder and 100k is 99k too much. He's rank rotten. Doubt rangers will pay a fee for anyone.

Wasn't Larsson wanting £15k a week from Copehagen?

Binman says

Please remember The Rangers are in the third division (forth tier of Scottish football)
How the hell do you attract any ambitious, self respecting player to drop so low.
Perhaps you should start to give out percentages of SEVCO equity - did the trick for Ally - he is muzzled and compliant - No more girning from me Mr Green sir!
Quite sad really

Suddenly Ally's opinion of Green went from dunno need to wait and see about this new guy, to, get behind him he's the real McCoy!
That's what 4.8% gets you.

28 Aug 2012 12:37:31
Does anyone think Forres Mechanics will throw another spanner in the works

Boom boom ;)

rikkisixx

28 Aug 2012 12:27:38
Listed below is 10 Managers that went from bad to brilliant.

1. Ally's team went from good to worse in the SPL last season he blew a big lead granted but why? The club went into administration, the players took a massive pay cut hardly motivational for the team was it.

2 He is now in 3 and we still do not no who is staying or going. How is he meant to pick a team that will gel with each other when he dose not no if they will be there next week?

I THINK WE SHOULD GET OF HIS BACK AND GIVE HIM A CHANCE UNDER NORMAL
CIRCUMSTANCES HE DESERVES THIS.
AFTER ALL THE MANAGERS BELOW CAME GOOD AND THEY DID NOT FACE HALF THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPEND TO ALLY GIVE HIM A CHANCE AND GET OF HIS BACK.
From bad to brilliant - football managers who overcame setbacks.

Brian Clough
Sacked after just 44 days at Leeds United, Cloughie went on to enjoy an 18-year period at Nottingham Forest. Clough won successive European Cups at the City Ground in 1979 and 1980.

Roberto Di Matteo
Sacked by West Brom in February 2011, Di Matteo returned to management at Chelsea where he went on to win the Champions League and FA Cup. Di Matteo has lost just three games as Chelsea manager since he replaced Andre Villas-Boas in early March.

Roy Hodgson
Hodgson endured a tortuous six-month spell with Liverpool before guiding West Brom to two comfortable mid-table finishes. Hodgson was appointed England manager in May, taking the national side to their first quarter-final in six years.

Vincente Del Bosque
Real Madrid decided not to renew Del Bosque's contract in 2003, just a day after he won the club its 29th league title. Sacked towards the end of the 2004-05 season by his next club Besiktas, Del Bosque became manager of Spain in July 2008, going on to make history by becoming the first international team to win three successive major tournaments.

Bobby Robson
Robson was unable to steer Fulham away from relegation to the Second Division in 1968, but in his next job at Ipswich, the future England manager won the 1978 FA Cup and the 1981 UEFA Cup.

Marcello Lippi
Sacked by Inter Milan in 2000, Lippi returned for a second stint at Juventus where he won two Serie A titles, before leading Italy to their first World Cup win for 24 years in 2006.

Alan Pardew
Relegated with Charlton in 2007 and then sacked by Southampton in August 2010, Pardew bounced back with a successful spell at Newcastle which saw the Magpies finish fifth in the Premier League last season, their highest finish since 2003/04 season.

Frank Rijkaard
Relegated with Sparta Rotterdam for the first time in their history in 2002, Rijkaard revitalised his managerial reputation by winning successive league titles and a Champions League with Barcelona.

Ian Holloway
Holloway suffered relegation from the Championship with Leicester in May 2008, but after taking a year out of management, he became manager of Blackpool, leading the seaside club to Premier League football via the play-offs.

Guus Hiddink
Hiddink was sacked by Real Madrid and Real Betis before beating Italy and Spain with South Korea en route to a World Cup semi-final in 2002. Further success followed at PSV where Hiddink won three Dutch League titles in his second spell at Eindhoven and at Chelsea where he won the FA Cup in a brief caretaker role.

Are you at the wind up . Ally didn't blow a lead in the SPL because of administration. What about the four cups he got yous put out of ? And do you honestly think he can turn things around and compare to the likes of Hiddink , Lippi , Clough, Del Bosque . He can't even motivate players to win games against part timers in the worst league in GB . Dream on.........DH

Finally you got the point of your own post by Bobby Robson, Clough was a great manager pre Leeds, Hodgson already was a respected manager before Liverpool, I cant even be bothered checking the rest, Del Bosque won the title as you say then sacked. These weren't bad managers who got better, they were good managers whom for whatever reason had bad times at certain clubs, therein lies the subtle difference to Ally's woes. If you are looking for examples that fit your definition look at Paul Lambert, sacked from his first job, head hunted within the Premiership now.

Neil Lennon is right up there...legend! We are all Neil Lennon.........martyc1888

Aye and not 1 off them would dream of playing the high ball game ally is playing, clutching at straws.

Number 1 on this list is ally
1 he blew the 15 points in December two months before the admin
2 he is a bad tactician a lovechild of Walter 4-5-1 smith
3 European pub teams bowled you out European cups twice
4 first division team pumped you out league cup
5 started slating members of panel something which Neil Lennon was hounded for
6 is sheet at signing players
7 if admin did not happen would you really have won the league oh and what's your excuse for all cup exits

Binman says

How can the bears ever trust Mc Coist again.
His support for Green was only confirmed after Ally had been given (GIVEN) the 4,5% of the Sevco net worth.
Bought and sold for English gold - whit a wee rogue!

Lifetime contract - where do I sign
OK - nae mair greetin' fae me Mr Green Sir

6.

Aye funny how only a month or so ago Ally admitted he couldnae tell fans to buy a season ticket.

I'd have Billy Davies in at Ibrox in a flash. Or Kenny Sheils.

Hodgson is by no means brilliant.

@6: I don't think McCoist would do that - he's a Rangers man through and through. I think he cares more about Rangers continuing to exist than having a few shares. Also - even if he were being 'bribed', the shares are worth nothing until we get back to the SPL/Champions League.

As for people saying Lennon is an amazing manager - that's not really been proven. Every single big game Celtic have had, they have bottled it. Lennon should have won the treble last year, no bother. He should have won the league at Ibrox against our deflated team. He didn't. Sure, Lennon did well to overturn the lead we had at one point, but apart from that he's not done anything particularly amazing.

Re: post 9 - So, Celtic have bottled every big game they've had? Really? Have a wee think about that. While you're doing that, I'll be at the second leg of a really big game at Parkhead tomorrow, the first leg of which Celtic won, away from home, 2-0.

@9: wasn't last week's game a big game? Last year's Old Firm match? And so on...

10 - yes, but probability says you need to get somewhere in Europe once in a while... and it's been a while ;) Celtic are doing well in Europe just now - I won't deny that. But if the qualifying round of the CL is your biggest game then it's going to be a boring season!

11 - What Old Firm match? We won the first comfortably. You got lucky in the 2nd. We hammered you at Ibrox (even though the scoreline suggested otherwise - you can't deny this!) and then you returned the favour in May against a team that was completely down.

@12: so two big matches last year that Celtic 'bottled' and it was so serious it cost them the league, obviously?

Re:12 - I think you'll find we have at least 6 big games to look forward to now. Enjoy the ramshackle cup.

28 Aug 2012 12:13:09
Hi All

Can anyone shed any light on why Billy Davies is still sitting in the shadow's without a job has Ally

ERR,cos he's only rated by rangers fans for some reason.Blew his last couple of chances.

If he's such a good manager, as so many on here seem to think, why is he out of work? Maybe he's not that good. Could it be you want him because he's a 'Rangers man'?

28 Aug 2012 11:44:43
Great so now we are being linked with Michael Fink a 30 year old german. ALLY BRING IN SCOTTISH YOUTH.

The Scottish youth isn't always the way forward at a top club if you produce one, maybe two quality youngsters a season you have done very well. The myth that you can throw in 8 or 9 youngsters into the 1st team is barry white. Heard Ian McCall on clyde last night & he made a great point kai Naismith & Ross Perry struggled out on loan at 1st division clubs in the past so to expect them to cut it at rangers is always going to be difficult & he finished with lets see where the majority of these youngsters are by the time wee get back to the spl some will still be in the 3rd division plying their trade

28 Aug 2012 10:18:47
hi ed, seen the article in todays paper with naismith saying, since he joined everton he has noticed the squad is fitter, i suppose he means from his time at rangers.for me thats a worry, when our players train full time at murray park, and are up against part timers in div 3, and our players still look unfit, and just as knackered as our opponents after 90mins, maybe its time to question our training methods !! boyblue. {Ed001's Note - to be fair, Everton's training is very hard, that is why, in my opinion, their youth players breaking through suffer badly with injuries. But you do have a point, there were signs of a lack of fitness last season and more this season, and there is no excuse for that with full time pros.}

Did the austrailian boy rangers signed last season not say he found training weird because the just played 5a'side games. Not just rangers but players in the EPL look much faster stronger fitter than all of Scotland's teams.

28 Aug 2012 10:42:31
Set aside all the emotion and crap that's gone on. Ally is handing out money like a drunken sailor to players who can't get another club.

He hasn't got what it takes to get Rangers back to their rightful position - he must go!

Davie

28 Aug 2012 09:45:00
barrie mackay can signe pre contract with another club in november our club is run like a sham this kid should have had a longer contract along time ago before he got in the team everton and liverpool watching him

28 Aug 2012 07:36:15
Ticketus statement "Ticketus has an obligation to its investors to pursue all avenues to ensure that the ticket purchase agreement it entered into with the Club is honoured, and we are committed to going to the lengths necessary to ensure . . . its agreement with Ticketus fulfilled."

This explains absolutely everything Charles Green is doing, nothing is in the interests of the club.

Ticketus want their money, all £27,000,000.00 of it!!

I fear for the future, I really do.

This lot are only interesting in recouping the money they gave us last year, there's no long term stratagy in place.
The shares issue will be a no-goer, we've not exactly got the best record at backing our clubs financially, just look at the last shares issue under Murray.
It's going to come out soon enough about Ticketus's involvement and we're going to be bigger laughing stocks than we are already.

When was this statement made? and can you explain how the agreement is binding on the new company when the agreement was with the old company?

Why are you dragging up old statements from months ago ticketus has gone after craig sh*te get over it no matter how hard you hope its not going to happen timmy!...mark.

That statement is from at least March 2012, pre PLC going into liquidation, and when there was a chance however long it may have been at the time of a deal regarding cva , administration and the like, and werent they going to start court action against he who must not be named?

Nonsense, when the oldco was liquidated Ticketus made it public knowledge that they would not pursue the club for monies owed and they would go after Craig Whyte and Collier Bristow for the outstanding sum

So Ticketus wanting their money back explains everything Charles Greens is doing explain that one Einstein.

Whyte guaranteed loan against him personally. They will pursue Whyte not newco

It is the old Company that owe Ticketus, the one which will be liquidated and they also have personal guarantees from Craig Whyte. I don't understand why people still cannot differentiate between the two different corporate entities. Charles Green does not owe Ticketus anything!

That statement was issued on April 27th in relation to the Blue Knights bid for the oldco.

Ticketus don't seem to differentiate between club and company!

The club founded in 1872 changed its legal status to a company from 1899 and until the last 3 months there's been no separation of the 2, why?
Because they are both each other!

The club is due to be liquidated.

Ticketus, through Green have bought the assets of the old club, started a new club and are wanting their money!!

28 Aug 2012 02:31:45
why on earth has mccoist not tried to sign rudi skacel.we are crying out for a goal scoring midfielder yet nothing.i think if we offered the guy a 2 year,£5 grand a week deal he jump at the chance.i see from the rumours page that michael fink & lorenzo davids are talked about but both are defensive midfielders plus we have already got "ian black".what is ally thinking,surly even he can see where our problems lie,the midfield has got no goals in it and it seem's that if "andy little" does not score then no one will.we need 2 goal scoring midfielders who can play on the wings plus another striker.i think we should be looking at bringing back nacho novo even if we have to pay a transfer fee.

Ever thought Rangers have tried to sign him?

What would be in it for 33 year old Skacel, unless rangers offer him better wages than he is on which would be bad business. Im not a rangers fan but see this as a good time to develop youth (good for the whole of Scotland) rather than overspend on players past their best. I think too many rangers fans still have the buy buy mentality that got you here in the first place.
DB77

Lets be honest, any player that signs for a 3rd division side lacks ambition, and are only interested in a high wage

28 Aug 2012 00:18:54
good luck kirk wherever you end up thanks for the memories of that uefa cup run all the best RTID Stevie.

27 Aug 2012 23:58:02
every thing any gers fan writes get bombarded with dislikes by celtic fans even if its a completely valid and correct post. OBSESSED doesnt even begin to describe that lot. Focus on winning the champions league while we take the quadruple

Quadruple? You need to beat teams to win trophies!!

How in the hell do you know irs celtic fans, you defo live in the dark ages, im surprised you can even use a pc.

Take the quadruple, is that 4 none away wins lol

Vambo