Rangers Banter Archive June 28 2012

28 Jun 2012 22:07:12
How about we go to div 3, see how the SPL's chairmen, their clubs and their fans get on with their "sporting integrity" and we sign up the Hammer, Laudrup and Ammo etc for a season in the 3rd tier? Watch the crowds flock in and the TV companies scramble to show it...

BB

Isn't that how we got in this mess? Drummiebear

How about they pay back ebt and you would ever have been liquidated

din22

Ebts didnt liquidate us fool, unpaid vat and ni and ticketus liquidated us. Still no ruling on the ebts yet pal so away n boil yer head

28 Jun 2012 21:36:34
For what it's worth...

The SPL clubs want us in the 1st division. Only one year without our income (if we get promoted 1st go) SKY willing to wait. I would rather we took our chances in the 3rd and they can see how they manage with their "sporting integrity" for 3 years. Also a wee cheerie thought, how do you reckon messers "Hammer" Albertz, Laudrup, Amaruso etc would fancy a season in the Scottish 3rd division? SKY would LOVE it... bring it on!

(the real) BB

Spl clubs do not want you in spl period have yet to see vote if they want you in sfl
so many of sfl already so no to 1st div and old rangers have not even applied yet

din22

28 Jun 2012 19:50:15
I just wish this was all over,
It is obvious that no matter what
punishments are handed out to our
club the rest of scottish football will
never be happy that it is severe
enough. The true culprits for the
mess we are in are still unpunished
but our club is being mercilessly
slaughtered. Best thing would be if
we could get out of this perfect
footballing nation who
are all so perfect and all 100% full of footballing integrity and start up in another
country so that all the faultless
footballing fraternity can get on
with there perfect lives.

Rangers and Rangers fans are the culprits, stop blaming others. You deserve punishment. {Ed039's Note - It was the rangers fans? The people who paid their hard earned? What a tube you are)

The non-Rangers SPL holier than thou fans will always forever blame us for anything that happens now in scottish football. ie. "That wouldn't have happened if you lot hadn't....etc blah blah blah" "You're the cause of this because...etc blah blah blah" Even if we go to Div3, they will never let this go.

28 Jun 2012 20:36:24
well done to perry he says he owe's the club not like the money grabbers

Yes well done make big lee captain and fill the team with youngsters

28 Jun 2012 20:22:37
Can someone tell me please why there so against Charles Green? I will be renewing my season ticket because i am a rangers fan and i support my club. Green and Malcom Murray have both said or ticket money remains with the club... so why not?

I am sure I heard this 1 year ago from a certain mr whyte, green and co needs to earn the fans trust etc

Well said mate, people on here don't even know why they hate him FFS. I know we had the worst guy ever in whyte but we need to give green a chance, he is trying o sort a total disaster zone of a team. If we don't buy tickets we wont have a club its that simple. Where da fuk was bomber, smith McColl etc when we were in admin? Too little too late

J

You're not renewing your season ticket you're getting a new one. and games may not be at Ibrox

28 Jun 2012 20:11:12
whith jardines latest comments and so many people having opinions on what is left of rangers history, why doesnt anyone from rangers or the sfa make an offical statement letting everyone know for sure if the history continues or not.

far too many people with differnet ideas of the situation now.... it cant be that hard for the people in the know to make it official surely??

It;s broken.Walter,Goram,Gough,Green is that enough?

The history remains on the condition the newco gets old rangers share in the SPL. Should remain as they are planning on giving us th share and relegating us to 1st

28 Jun 2012 19:43:50
MALCOLM MURRAY, Chairman of The Rangers Football Club, issued the following statement today.

"On behalf of the Board of Directors I would like to clarify a number of issues that have added to the Club's difficulties this week.

"Events have triggered a frenzy of emotion around the Club to the point where the only people who stepped up to buy the Club and begin the long and arduous task of restoring and rebuilding Rangers are now being vilified by people who claim to have the interests of the Club at heart.

"This is deeply depressing and such factionalism can only undermine efforts to make Rangers once again the great sporting institution is has been for generations.

"As the new Board of Directors, we fully understand the anxiety of supporters given what has happened in the past and I wish to address all the key issues and present the facts of the matter.

League status

"The Executive Team are working tirelessly to resolve the issues with the SFA, SPL and SFL. We will update supporters as soon as possible and we understand a poll of supporters' opinions is about to be launched.


Financial position

"The Club is funded by the new owners and working capital is in place for the foreseeable future.Staff and players were paid this month as normal and will continue to be while the Club operates and functions normally.

"We are raising additional funds as we said that we would and the board are working to find a way to allow supporters the opportunity to invest.More details will be available in the near future."

"There is no doubt, however, that any boycott of season ticket sales can only harm the Club and the manager Ally McCoist and ultimately the supporters. Such action would only serve to help destroy the very institution that is so dear to us.

Investment

"As has been stated previously, a consortium of investment funds and individuals invested in the acquisition and funding of Rangers.

"The consortium includes, Zeus Capital, Chris Morgan, a UK-based businessman representing family trusts; Glenmuir, the renowned Scottish clothing company, Alessandro Celano of Blue Pitch Holdings, Jude Allen, Mazen Houssami, Elias Kaisar and Mr Jean Haddad.

"The provenance of all investments made in Rangers is being made now to the SFA and all directors of Rangers will be required to pass the SFA's fit and proper persons test. I also accepted the chairmanship of the Club on the basis that the highest standards of corporate governance would be implemented by the Board. The Board has also provided information to the Rangers Fans Fighting Fund.

"At the outset the investors agreed that Rangers would be a long-term strategic investment and there is no intention of selling the Club.

"That said, the Board is committed to broadening the investment base and from the outset made clear that no individual investor should own more than 10-15%. In the coming weeks we will be announcing details of how fans can invest in the Club and fan ownership is one of the cornerstones of our philosophy.

"Anyone with Rangers best interests at heart is welcome to invest or come and talk to us. Last year I attended the 50th anniversary of the London Rangers Supporters Club where John Brown was an excellent guest speaker. He has my number and, if he has investors, we welcome them and do not see why they have to be separate to our current long-term investors. All fans and potential investors should pull together in difficult times.

"It also remains our firm intention to re-list Rangers as a publicly quoted company on an appropriate stock exchange at the earliest opportunity.

Season tickets

"The Club has new banking facilities in place and, as stated a number of times previously, all season ticket money will only be used for the benefit of the Club and its operations. Further information for season ticket holders was published on the website last week which included details on payments.

"Rangers has a loyal and extensive season ticket holder base and we would urge all fans to renew their books. In this aspect, the ownership of the Club is irrelevant. Season ticket sales are the largest single source of income for the Club and only the Club and the team will suffer if it is withheld. The money does not go to Charles Green, Malcolm Murray or any investor - it goes to Rangers.


Asset ownership

"All the assets commonly associated with the football club - Ibrox, Murray Park, the Albion car park, staff, players etc - are the property of The Rangers Football Club, which at present is registered as Sevco Scotland Ltd until a name change is given formal approval.

"Sevco Scotland was formed to ensure that if the formation of a new company was required in the event of a CVA being rejected, then the Club's corporate entity would be a Scottish registered company as it has always been.

"For the avoidance of doubt, Craig Whyte has NO involvement with the Club, in Sevco, The Rangers Football Club or any other of the consortium members. Indeed, measures have been implemented to ensure that Mr Whyte could not return to the Club in any way which is in compliance with the SFA's ruling on his participation in Scottish football.


Players

"It was extremely disappointing that a number of players have chosen to leave the Club.

"It was disrespectful to everyone at Rangers and to the fans not to be honest about the financial gain they will receive in return for walking away from the Club that has supported them over many years.

"Let's be clear, the clauses they and their agents negotiated in return for the temporary wage cut during administration, would have enabled them to easily move on from Rangers with our blessing. Their actions have deprived the Club of significant transfer fee income.

"The rest of the staff at Ibrox and Murray Park have got on with the job asked of them and it is extremely encouraging to see other players who were due back at Murray Park today, arrive as planned.

"As a lifelong fan, I would personally like to thank those players and staff for their loyalty and commitment to the Club and I look forward to meeting the squad when they are all back from their holidays.

Summary

"The consortium that has purchased Rangers wishes to see the Club restored and rebuilt. We want to see Rangers be great again.

"The consortium is not the villain of the piece, nor is Charles Green. They are the only people who stepped up to buy the Club.

"What happened under Craig Whyte was horrendous and should never be repeated and I will do everything in my power as Chairman to ensure it doesn't happen again.

"I have been a Rangers fan all my life and a season ticket holder for many years and accepted the position of Chairman with the sole aim of helping steer this great club back to a solid financial footing and future success on the pitch.

"The vicious and gratuitous blood lust of recent times must end not only for Rangers sake but for Scottish football too. Certain individuals must ask some searching questions of themselves as to what their true motives have been over the last few months and as to whether they really have the best interests at heart of the Club they claim to love and support."

Now thats the kind of talk you want in a Chairman. Brown v Murray,you decide.

Glenmuir knitwear is it?..Ah well, no more of that junk for me, it's Pringle all the way from now on! :)

Okay so Mr Murray has at least attempted to address some of the concerns that the supporters have.

However his statement regarding the financial position - "working capital is in place for the foreseeable future". .."staff and players were paid as normal and will continue to be "while the club operates and functions normally"
Don't know what anyone else thinks, but this is hardly a resounding fanfare as an indication that substantial funds have been invested by the consortium members.
He goes on to say that they are still in the process of raising funds,and urge fans to purchase season tickets.
Is this what he means by "while the club operates and functions normally"?
In affect what he is saying is.. our funds are limited,and if fans don't invest it will harm the club. Okay so logic dictates that ST money should have to be taken into account,but i feel a more compelling gesture would have been to ask fans to purchase season tickets as normal with all monies remaining in a seperate account. This money is to be used solely for player acquisitions and wages.
Some indication of investment from the consortium members would have been helpful also,like say £20 million will be put up front by the directors/investors which will sustain us for "X" amount of time without the need for fans money.
Admittedly on reflection this notion seems crazy,but this is the whole crux of why the mistrust has been aimed at CG.
We want assurances that our money is not paying for the takeover.
I also note that he made no reference to CW's floating charge.
I also have concerns over the assets quote. At first sight it seems to suggest that "The Rangers football club" "presently registered as sevco owns the assets". So this would appear to indicate that TRFC owns the assets. However this is not as straightforward as it seems.
The name change "TRFC" has not been formally approved as yet,so therefore the assets are the property of sevco.
What happens if the name applied for is refused on the grounds of similarity?
He later states that "The money does not go to Charles Green,Malcolm Murray
or any investor -it goes to Rangers"
This is simply untrue.The money goes into sevco's account.
Stil not convinced.
P.O.B.

28 Jun 2012 18:42:17
Our entry to the SFL requires us to accept all punishments set against the old RFC without legal challenge. Does this include the signing ban, as although outlined as unlawful by the courts this has not been recinded by the SFA. If this remains there must be grave dangers of the Newco being relegated from what ever division they are allowed to enter (except division 3 at the moment). Looking at training today, we barely had enough players to make up a team, and could not fill a full bench even without injuries !

Not any more, cat out of the bag tonight. 5 spl clubs in trouble if we go to 3. Meltdown as we predicted, sporting integrity you say,lol.

I'd go div 3, sign up the Hammer, Laudrup, Ammo etc and watch the crowds and TV scramble to get in...

(the real) BB

Wish people would stop talkin sh1te about signing Albertz, Amoruso and Laudrup! Wasn't that long ago Brian Laudrup was battling cancer! Ya seriously think he wants to spend his Saturday's runnin round gettin lumps kicked out of him in the 3rd division. Wise up!

@2: TV scrambling to watch the ancients playing in division 3? Against division 3 standard players? How long do you think the old guys will last?

28 Jun 2012 18:24:37
green was right, playrs only had 24 hours aftr sale to reject transfer to newco under tupe regulations....jsm

Unfortunately both you and Mr Green are 100% wrong.
I am an employment law consultant and I can assure you that transfer of employment through TUPE cannot happen without a period of consultation. An employer cannot just transfer an employee without their consent. Only when there has been a period of consultation and the employee has agreed to transfer is the process complete.
The TUPE regulations are there to protect employees not employers

And in order for a TUPE to be lawful Green had to fully consult with all affected employees - including establishing a representative body, the members of whom to be voted on by the all affected personnel, or their trade union representatives. The consultation should have included all plans for the Newco. Interesting that Green quotes TUPE when it suits him when having singulary failed to follow the TUPE requirements himself

The main point being that the T&C's have to be equal to or better than the existing contract.
The contracts have changed dramatically. Not only have the demographics of playing in the SPL changed,there's no European football for three years,salaries and bonus payments are also affected,and the chance of winning trophies.
Therefore there is no way the current T&C's could have been maintained.
As an employment law consultant you should be aware of this.
I doubt T.U.P.E. was even considered in this case. You are correct in relation to the consultation period point you make. However this just strengthens my belief that TUPE was not even addressed. I think CG is basing his case on the wage deferral contracts the players negotiated.
P.O.B.

28 Jun 2012 17:23:29
have to say that i am most disappointed in ness and mccabe,2 decent young players who rangers have brought through the system and this is all the thanks they get? both would have benefited with a full year of first team football even if it is in the 1st div,ness won't last 2 mins in the english prem before he's out long term injured as usual,i find it difficult to wish any of them well after jumping ship just when rangers need them most,as for naismith....this is a guy who's been happy to collect his wages after being out injured long term twice and now cant wait to get out,all i ask is where's the loyalty to rangers,the club which so many of them claim to love?,surely they could have at least stayed for 1 year to help get rangers on their feet again or am i just being naive?
also,why has it taken so long for all these so called money men and ex rangers players to come forward?,looks to me like too little and too late

ian

28 Jun 2012 16:00:45
SANDY JARDINE has reiterated that there is no break Rangers' long and illustrious history.

Fans have been angered by jibes from some quarters and completely ill-informed reporting that there is a 'new' Rangers and the 'old' one has ceased to exist.

Jardine said: "It's a lot of nonsense that our history does not carry on. There are a lot of other fans out there saying that we are a new club but that's not the case.

"We never worried about what other supporters said in the past and we shouldn't worry about what other supporters say now.

"What matters is what Rangers supporters think.

"We are a club with 140 years of history and next year we will be a club with 141 years of history.

"If and when we win another Championship flag we will add it to the 54 we already have."

Speaking on RangersTV, Jardine said: "Whatever league we will be playing in we will still be playing in the same stadium, we will still be playing in a blue shirt.

"We will have the same supporters and the same staff. Nothing has changed and people have to realise that.

"We have a Hall of Fame board recognising our greatest players and I have no doubt that in the future other players will be added to it and they will be delighted to be among greats like Davie Meiklejohn, George Young and John Greig.

"This fallacy that our history has ended is just banter from other supporters and some of our fans have taken the bait. They should just ignore it.

"We have a rich history - Barcelona, Nine in a Row, 54 league titles - are we going to forget that? I don't think so."

Same staff Were players not considered as staff?

For God's Sake!

Enough!

What has to happen for certain people including Jardine that RFC ceased to exist when it was placed in liquidation.
There will NEVER be a 54th title...it shall be a 1st.

History can never be taken away...but you cannot add to someone/something else's history when it has ended!

Between Jardine and Brown - supported by Dingwall and his neanderthals - there is an alarming amount of communication and misguided comments which are being drip fed and fuelling those supporters who are either unwilling ...or too ignorant ...to realise that Rangers as we all know is FINISHED....

This is a new dawn ....so accept it and stop living in the past and blaming others for the mistakes made by those who were entrusted with being custodians of the club!

And before I get slaughtered by some on here, I am a Rangers fan and long-standing season ticket holder of over 20 years....

I wish someone at newco Rangers would gag Jardine as all he does is stupidly fue fires with his ignorant, ill-informed, misjudged statements. Hasn't the penny dropped that the arrogance displayed in his comments antagonise non-supporters, clubs and regulators....it is tiring...it is boring...it is just pathetic!

SPM

I've been saying this all along too. Let the bureaucrats have it one way and the fans have it their own way. Whatever corporate stuff goes on the fans can always say "our team won 9 in a row etc etc etc.

Yes sandy rangers have a rich history and im quite sure in time the newco will build its own history but they will never be the same club rangers are dead and gone get used to it. Tulip

A bit of respect and concern for the creditors would have been nice but no, let's pretend the debts never happened and keep the history!

Please not the history thing yet again.The history stops but it doesn't go away.New future ahead and NEW history.Why are we still talking about this?

Rangers won 54 league titles ...THEY DONT EXIST, rangers won the european cup winners cup...THEY DONT EXIST, rangers were liquidated .. THEY DONT EXIST FFS how difficult is this. Sandy pandy is living in cloud cuckoo land so get a grip...RANGERS DONT EXIST THEY DIED.

I as a Celtic fan of 40 years plus had a lot of respect for Sandy Jardine as a player , after Danny McGrain I'd say he was the best Scottish right back , but over the past couple of months he has gone down in my estimations , despite his protestations Rangers FC ceased to exist last week , and with its demise , it's history is frozen , a new club is being set up , which as yet is not registered with the SFA , SPL or SFL , if this was not the case then why would a transfer of SPL share , a league registration certificate and membership application be required ? The old Rangers FC is gone and a Newco being set up including a new club which can't be called Rangers FC , so come on now Sandy grow up , you are more inteligent than you are making yourself look with these ridiculous rantings .

If I go on to EBAY tonight and buy a Victoria Cross won at the battle of Rorke's Drift, then I will have bought the medal, I will own the medal, but I as sure as hell didn't win the medal.

You cant buy history.

Good Luck, Good Bears

Gerry

Rangers football club were incorporated in 1899 and became a public limited company. Both the football club and the incorporated company we're one and the same inseparable entity. That singular entity is being liquidated 2012.
A new Rangers football club is being formed as a corporate entity and has bought some of the assets of the old liquidated club.
It cannot use the same badges, logos, crests, mottos and as a new club with zero footballing history shares zero history with the previous club and cannot claim any history.
I don't believe Jardine said the OP report. If he did he's s very foolish individual and not competent to be in a formal position within Association football.

28 Jun 2012 16:11:03
OMG how embarrassing was John Brown on STV news last night. Is that who we want as the face of a new rangers. He looked and sounded like some shipyard union man from the 70s not someone who is meant to be the face of some potential new consortium. I was cringing watching this. Peter Lawell and all Celtic fans must be laughing their heads off as we go from disaster to disaster. Green is not for budging unless he is going to make serious money from his investment. While i am on a rant it looks like the 1st div clubs dont want us either so its div 3 i think.

Okay he was a bit rough and ready but at least he stood up and said something.

What an insult to shipyard workers of the 1970s. Jimmy Reid, Jimmy Airlie and Sammy Barr were articulate intelligent men who put forward their views in reasoned and logical statements. Brown sounded more like a denizen of the Louden.

At least he's showing some fight for something he cares about. Only thing that the Celtic fans are laughing at is the fact that us fans were taken for mugs and sat back and let this happen.

Supporter of Brown.

Nice to hear from a clearly intelligent well meaning Rangerd fan for a change.

Any takeover with Donald Findlay involved is a step back into the halcyon days of bigotry and sectarianism , Findlay was forced to resign from the old Rangers board for being a bigot and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the New Club , new start , fresh start .

28 Jun 2012 14:18:36
now that wee look like going into 1st division what do fellow bears think about snappin up free agents ian black robbie niellson james mcfadden and tryin to buy the boy el alagui who impressed when falkirk dumped us out cup to me that would leave alexander with a back four of niellson goian broadfoot wallace in midfield mcculloch (our captain) black kerkar and hemmings wide and mcfadden and el alagui upfront i no its players we would nt usually look at but horses for courses and all that and surely they d be good enough to get us promotion

Unforunately I don't think its going to happen. The BBC article that said plans were made to get us into Div one had no author attached to it. Looks like its just an unlikely piece to try and give us hope.

Besides the article also said that if we were to accept the deal then the newco would have to take responsibility for the oldco's debt and sins, etc. No chance. That looks way too vague and way too dodgy to be a part of. It would mean that the SFA could expel us for a start without having to prove anything because we have already accepted the blame and waived any legal rights away.

Only one problem with that, where does the dough come from to sign them, granted most are free agents but wages will still be a problem as we don't have a pot to p**s in and fraudster Green has no money.

Supporter of Brown

Best post i've seen for a while, Mainly because it's positive.
The team you mention would beat most SPL teams so I would be happy with that.
Big bonus if any young players still at the club can come through, As for the younger players that have left, Shame on you, You will never play in front of 50000 fans again and you forget the money and time spent training your ungrateful erses.
Jamie ness must have racked up thousands in medical bills, I would have loved the team built around him, But he couldn't even wait a season or 2, It will be his loss in time.
BR

28 Jun 2012 14:11:21
just watched bomber at ibrox last nite and was in shock at his performance.Not one question was answered about his consortium yet he asked plenty off greens.To see an ex player ranting like a street hood-rat and swearing(children where present) at the doors of ibrox was an absolute disgrace,if this is the new face of a new rangers its speaks volumes for how low rangers are ... effigies of murray and green with nooses round their necks was shocking but brown stating green will have no to place to hide was disgraceful....classless performance all round tbh.

Wtf is it with us and all these colours, Brown Green Whyte, whats next

JG

The pink panthers are next ,wouldnt mind that peter sellars. and britt was some bird lol doug t.s.o

28 Jun 2012 12:55:04
Why all this talk about newco oldco etc. Here is my take on it

Rangers football club ltd - a company

There entry in companies house

Status: In Administration
Date of Incorporation: 27/05/1899

Country of Origin: United Kingdom

Company Type: Public Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC):
93120 - Activities of sport clubs

They owned a stadium, a team, and various other assets.

Rangers football club Ltd (for now sevco)

Now own a stadium, a team (Rangers) various other assets.
The company may be new but it is the same stadium, same team and all other assets are the same

Now give it a rest with oldco newco

JG

They bought it from the liquidated company! Hence the reason its a new company.Why cant you get it?

Having wound-up the company's affairs, the liquidator must call a final meeting of the members (if it is a members' voluntary winding-up), creditors (if it is a compulsory winding-up) or both (if it is a creditors' voluntary winding-up). The liquidator is then usually required to send final accounts to the Registrar and to notify the court. The company is then dissolved.

Do you understand what the word dissolved actually means? Finshed gone for ever? soem when may buy the old "work place and employ some of the staff" but they can not or ever be the same company. And here another little thing for you since Duff and Phelps forgot?// to hand in the accounts,,,,In the event the company does not file an annual return or annual accounts, and the company's file remains inactive, in due course, the Registrar at Companies House will strike the company off the register. Gone for good then?? understand that yet?? NEWCO means exactly that its NEW no accounts no history, no work force working until enrolled starting ANEW. The lights are out and new owners have to put them back on....

28 Jun 2012 12:54:02
Just read Jardines comments on SSN regarding the 9 players walking away:
"what they have done is seen an opportunity - whether it is them or their agents - to maximise their income. I have to be honest and say i think the players have used our predicament to their gain"
Well said Sandy your 100% bang on the money there. The traitor 9 should never be allowed back to ibrox again. I have been a season ticket holder for 12 years and contributed to there wages and feel absolutely robbed by these cheats.
If they had wanted to leave beacause of a lower division...then a would have gave them a pat on there back and thanked them for there service to the club IF they had transfered there contracts over and left for small transfer fees. What i CANT stand is the fact a squad valued betwen £15-£25m has walked away for free! Most of which will end up in cash rich English league on better wages with massive signing on fee. Really cannot understand fellow bears that have sympathy for them...WAKE UP...they have all robbed US the fans!!

Those players have already taken a 75% pay hit that is not going to come back to them. So they owe Rangers NOTHING and rangers actually owe them a big whack in back pay. If they decide to recoup some of that by exersing their legal rights not to transfer into a team that has no place to play and no visible means of support who can blame them. Also if they are sold by new co- what guarentees are there the money will go to rangers and not be creamed of int Greens back pocket. The fans are not playing ball and buying season tickets, so why should the players

I'll think you will find its the people who have ran the club into the ground, who gave robbed the club. I don't blame the players! What makes you so sure Green would let them go if they moved over to the newco? He could have held them to their contacts!
Big Blue

28 Jun 2012 12:11:08
anyone who thinks charles green is going to be pushed into to selling rangers is naive,he holds all the aces and a shrewd investment for 5.5 million,looks like only a serious offer and serious profit will buy him out,unlike most of the rangers players....he doesnt do walking away!

28 Jun 2012 10:34:27
Last night at Ibrox the question was asked "Who is backing you, John?"

John Brown responded "I can't tell you that, as the media will dig dirt and hound them out."

So it's okay for John Brown to hide his backers, but not Green.

Really?

John Brown said he would name the investors as soon as green brings a deal to the table. green said he would name 20 investors, he has now bought the club and still not named them ..because he has none. also why did he say ian hart was 1 when ian hart said he has nothing to do with the whole thing.

So his backers have dirt in their backgrounds? Findlay was previously mentioned.....was he on an EBT? Or did he get sacked b4 the EBTs?
The Legends mentioned were all on EBTs and nobody is quoting how much cash they're chipping in. Probably just allowing their names to be used only.

Yes.Kind of defeats the purpose of what the protest was all about,honesty and clarity required.

More worrying is that he knows there is dirt to dig up.

Mac2.

What an embarrasment to the club john browns statement was celtic fans no every fan against rangers must have been laughing their tits off please keep idiots like this away from the club or he will divide the fans opinions and when that happens we wont have a club to follow wether its in the 1st div or any other. lets get behind green and give the guy a chance his was deemed the best offer by the administrators to save the club so give him a chance and get behind him and the club.

Appears that main backer is Johnathan Hope. Agent that touted Gordon Smith for the Director of Football job at Liverpool. This guy has more skeletons in his cupboard and can understand why Bomber wanted to keep his name out of it at moment. No way this guy has millions, just another chancer courting the publicity. He wouldn't pass the fit and proper test in any event.

28 Jun 2012 08:42:10
When will you bigots ever learn...you organise a protest which I agree with...then with the eyes of the media watching you come out with your bile of songs..derrys walls etc...no wonder nobody wants you in their league..when you have supporters like that,rangers have many decent supporters this is a great time to wipe slate clean and do away with any songs that have nothing to do with football

Totally agree with you mate,
i think it's a great time to start afresh,
we have no real option but to put our trust in charles green and wipe the slate clean from walter smith and all the other so called rangers men ,where were they when green stepped forward to buy the club?...also let's get away from the no surrender mentality and start singing rangers songs

Couldn't agree with you more mate.Debacle from beginning to end.Makes you wonder if there is anything worth saving.We seem to have a never ending conveyor belt of morons representing us .BlackpoolBear.

As a tic man most Bears are good lads, our neighbours workmates etc...but these b*ms keep dragging you down. Shame

Just on the same day a momentous historical handshake took place over the water. Signifying trust partnership and a positive and peaceful future for those poor suffering people of that land.
Over here we have this ancient vile nonsense going on.

I agree with you too it really is time to move on from certain songs. Perhaps the op own fans could do likewise, or mabe he could say a few words to put them down also, and mabe that way by removing your own denial we can all move on together..Group hugs all round.

There was more shame brought on the club last night than in all the sorry business put together.Felt totally ashamed of those fans singing,indeed the whole thing was shocking.

The singing last night was a total embarrassment, its 2012, lets move on and rise above the past, we are rangers fans, no1 in the land, we have a chance of a new fresh start, lets change the song book, and let others sing bigotry songs, this is our chance to move onwards and upwards.

28 Jun 2012 09:52:03
11 players have reported for training. 2 of them are goalkeepers so not a complete team

10 first team turned up and only 3 youth team.
Ally didn't show.
Edu, Bocanegra, bedoya and Goian no show plus the 10 rebels.....
Source STV and bbc sport websites.

28 Jun 2012 08:18:47
Where is either the logic or morality in the views of the likes of Sandy Jardine? "All the players of the previous Rangers club should join the new club so that they can be sold so that the new club can make some money by selling them?" When the new club would have not paid a penny for them? What about all the companies and people left in debt ( to say nothing of those who as a result have lost their jobs and their families are now struggling financially ...unlike Sandy Jardine!) by the actions of the old club. If there is any " spare money " floating around it should go to paying off those left in debt by the old club. Perhaps not a legal requirement now but surely for an honourable insitution the only correct action? But no... Jardine blasts footballers who are only acting within their rights as former employees of the old club. Not because he is thinking of their interests or debtors interests but only Rangers interests! Does he not get it ? Rangers credibility is shot and thats what they need to work on to recover over the coming years.
Just how arrogant and blinkered can any one person be?

Onr problem with your thinking there. The sins of the past were committed by the OLD company. This is now the NEW company we are talking about. Mr Green does not owe anybody else ANYTHING, even those clubs who were cheated by the OLDCO.

28 Jun 2012 07:32:34
I liked John Brown as a player, and I also played against him both as a player and as the Rangers u18 and reserve manager.

What I cant understand is how he managed to keep his job as a scout when we have signed far more duds, than good players.

28 Jun 2012 04:50:20
Engage the brain with this one chaps please. Numerous consortiums have came and gone through this circus to date. Ng, Murray, Kennedy, Smith, Green, who knows who else. Is John Brown trying to say that INSIDE SEVEN DAYS he can put together TWO completely different consortiums? He has missed his calling, he is clearly the new Bob Geldof. Two consortiums in a week but not a chirp out of him pre CVA? From one consortium with a guy who spent his cash to play at Parkhead to a consortium with a who's who of Rangers legends, it gets more and more bizarre and frankly desperate by the minute. If you took this script to the Coen brothers they'd tell you Lord Of The Rings is more plausable.

27 Jun 2012 23:56:42
I was at the demo tonight, and listened to what Brown said, he seems to be convinced that Whyte is involved in this still.
Green apparently said to Brown that he is the boss and Brown was just a scout and they would see who would last longer.
Apparently Brown had emailed a bid to all named investors of Greens consortium an hour before the meeting of £8.7m.
He asked Green what he had put into Rangers and
Green handed him a bit of paper with £8.7 m written on it as if to say no profit, no sale.
Brown asked him for proof that he owns the assets, and he would produce the money needed, Green would not provide proof.
Brown also stated that Green had said something that would sicken us to the core, but refused to say what it was, fearing a riot I think.
He also mentioned that Gough, Amoruso, Laudrup, Albertz are involved and will put their money in. He is asking fans not to give Green a penny and give it to him to him to buy the club.
I have been posting on here for months that we as fans have not done enough to force change, we need to do what the Celtic fans did, take to the streets and demand change and be there until it happens. I got the feeling that tonight was the beginning of that, I think this will gather pace.
I have also stated that we should back Green as he was the only game in town, I regret saying that, I think Green is going to put us into admin again and sell the assets.

I am not sure Bomber is the man to lead this as he is a bit rough, and does not come over too well but there is no doubt he has the gloves off and don't think I would like to be facing him.

One bad point, the subject of other Scottish clubs came up and am afraid Bomber lost it a bit and the language was a bit blue. No need for this and if he is going to be the face, he needs to watch his words. I am afraid the arrogance showed its face and I don't think that did him any favours.

One funny point, during Johns speech, right outside the front door, he asked a rhetorical question, "so where do we go now", and one guy shouts "through that f...ing door. Everybody had a laugh except the local police.

I have had doubts about Green, I think we all have, but I will not give Green my money, there is to much unproved, investors, money , who owns the assets etc etc. These answers are easily proved, show the documents.

Until you do you are getting none of my money.

We need Rangers men, not some Yorkshire pudding.

I am sorry ,but last night was a farce.Big Bomber,great team player,leader on the park,but! not the leader of a consortium that requires millions of pounds to save,let alone finance Rangers.Lets get real,SFA,will i suggest cut us some slack,hence the muted drop to div 1.we must be aware that the other clubs hold all the aces,and has been posted before,a little bit of contrition and regret would go a long way with some fair minded chairmen,after all ,our debt,should not become their debt,no matter how many fans from Rangers fill away grounds,we have a moral responsibility to serve our punishment,and do it with a bit more dignity than has been shown of late.

Johnathan Hope (football agent) involved with Brown , I am sure whoever wants Rangers and they are not many will have to offer more than the £8.5 that has been offered,

28 Jun 2012 00:04:33
please can yous stop saying that the old rangers have millions of fans around the world and they are behind a snub to the new co ,its an utter embarresment if thers millions how come the protest last night only attracted under a 1000 fans the fact is this NO one stood up to save rangers when it matterd but now ther is no debt its a scrum for the rich pickings of the future it makes me sick and has made my mind up for me when rangers died it was over good luck to all of you that wants to dream thers a future thers not its over even the fighting fund has gone with no answers it hurts to say it but are bitter rivals across the city have more devotion than we ever had and if we would have just listened to them with ther paranoia that were the f==k was this money was comming from for these players i think we might just might be in a better place ,its just kills me to think that when we were lifting cups over the past 20 years it was killing our club and we were celebrating it makes me cry ,for me my heart died with rangers and will not start beating again with some newco but the vocals of these past hereos as we call them is just a slap in the face ,i know every body will agree with me but i know the proper fans deep down do, so good bye my rangers and good luck to the rangers but i will not be a fan ,william fa denny

Me myself will not follow a newco its never gona be the same' shame on all to do with rangers this was just not white who done this, the seeds were planted well before he came for the death of this club ,no one can tell me that smith to ally to all the board didnt know what was going on in some capasity they should have stood up the minute they knew, its a bitter pill to swallow but celtic have spent within ther means for years ,and this proves that ther club is run right and will be around for many years to come , the fact is what this poster said is when it matterd no one stood up to save rangers and ther history and celtic fans will NEVER let us forget that so for me its the final whistle ,GOOD NIGHT MY RANGERS ,i cant beleave ya gone my old pal sleep tight, this is the last i will ever speak of rangers

Good riddance. Supporters like you aren't needed!

TTG

Everyone entitled to their opinion William and it appears you've made your mind up to throw in the towel.
It has been a long hard road since February 14th for all RFC fans,but my feeling is we have to see this out a bit longer.
People question why guys like J.McColl,
Walter,and JB,did not bid earlier for the club.
They are being accused of trying to get the club on the cheap.
Personally i don't think this is the case at all.
Even Donald Trump said it was too much of a risk financially.
Liquidation was inevitable.
A cva was never really going to be accepted unless a significantly larger amount of money was offered.
The responsibility for this was never with any new prospective owner.
They would simply have been throwing good money after bad.
Money that is needed to stabilise the club for the future.
There is also a genuine concern that CW is pulling the strings behind the scenes.

"Bomber" may not be the most eloquent speaker in the world,so what,we all know where his heart is, he's a Ranger through and through. He does make some good points.
Who does own the assets? Let's see the signed off documentation from D&P confirming that they have done due dilligence on Sevco,and received the £5.5million. Admittedly i've had mixed feelings regarding CG,and did at the outset advocate we get behind him. However, he has not been open with the fans nor the players.
The questions do now need to be answered regardng his plans, proof of ownership and funds.
Charles Green does not strike me as the silent type,prefrring to do his work away from the spotlight. He has already blown that assumption out of the water,with the rediculous claims he has made.
So why has he not done more to convince the supporters,and the players who have walked away.
That's why we have to test his resolve,and question his financial sustainability...without our money!
Otherwise,i'm not investing in you.
Risky?..Yes. But easily rectified.
Show us the colour of your money Mr Green.
P.O.B.

Nope!

the old rangers have millions of fans around the world.

Rangers, whether it's Glasgow Rangers, The Rangers, The Gers or whatever will always be around as long as we the supporters are around. I used to go with my dad and my granda, I now go with my son and he will being his son and it is for that very reason that Rangers will go on. The supporters are Rangers - we are the institution that is Rangers. Material objects such as stadiums, players etc can be established again as long as the real Rangers keep believing. The Rangers name represents an institution around which the people can congregate and celebrate their identity. That will continue. Charge of our institution used to be in safe hands - names like Waddell and Struth. Unfortunately unscrupulous people managed to use their wealth to get their hands on the club and it was for all the wrong reasons - they sought adulation and recognition and put that before both common and business sense. They raped and pillaged the club and have now run for cover while the real Rangers (the fans) are left to suffer and take the flak. Make no mistake though - Rangers will be back, no matter how long it takes, because we are Rangers. Let's take our medicine, pay our dues and get the right people steering the club again. Even if it means missing a season or starting again in the 3rd division then that's what we do. The important thing is that one day we will be back and we as Rangers men will again have somewhere to go on a saturday afternoon to celebrate our identities and participate in the game that we have all come to love.