Rangers Banter Archive August 29 2011

29 Aug 2011 22:28:18
I've always said the time to judge Mr Whyte will be at the end of the transfer window but if i'm going to be honest i've always had my doubts about his credibility to keep his promises. There is 2 days remaining so i'll hold back for another 48 hours but time is very much against us.
I think the following players are realisitc and woould quite easily improve out squad;
MF
Nikola Pokrivac (£2m, tops) has a bit of everything would be fabulous signing.
Michael Bradley (Loan, Monchengladbach) got to be better than Mo Edu
Chris Humphrey (£500k, Motherwell) proven at SPL great energy and pace.
Jason Puncheon (£1m, Southampton) looked good at Blackpool last season.
David Templeton (£2.5m, Hearts) plenty of potential better than any winger we have just now.
Peter Whittingham (£2.5m-£3m, Cardiff) can't beleive the lack of interest in him, would be a great addition for us.
Gael Kakuta (Loan, Chelsea) another player with the potential.

ST
Scott McDonald (£1-1.5m, M' Boro) tried and trusted across the road we know he would score.
Jamie Murphy (£1m, tops) could be the making of the player.
Hneri Bienvenu (£2m, Young Boys) pacey, mobile could be formidable wth Jelavic.
Nicky Maynard (£2.5m-£3m) unlikely but nonetheless would be worth every penny.
Tim Matavz (£4m+) probably wishful thinking but he would unquestionably form the best partnership in SPL with Jelavic, born goalscorer.

Nicky Maynard (£2.5m-£3m) unlikely but nonetheless would be worth every penny.

you do know they have rejected bids of 5 million?

29 Aug 2011 22:23:52
I love Rangers I love our history, I love how over the last 3 years the same psh was being spouted on this site then. I love how each of those years we WON the league I love the fact we won the league amidst adversity. I love the fact as a club we remained dignified when all around us lost control. I loved the fact that when we lost (and we did), we always came back and proved the doubters wrong I love the fact that time and time again after European failure this club still survives I love how we all get completely absorbed by our club. I love knowing Glasgow Rangers will be here after I die.

I LOVE MY CLUB.

GDog
I love how WATP

So what you are trying to say is you Love your club lol .

I wasn't sure if I made myself clear.

GDog

I LOVE YOU TOO, xxxxx C. Whyte

29 Aug 2011 21:41:01
Rangers have been negligent – they should have spent money before the Champions League matches and they would have earned money. Now they are going nowhere fast. Champions at the end of the season? I doubt it McCoist might have been a good servant to Rangers but he is never a manager. He has no experience. It is okay working beside Walter Smith but if you have very little input you will never gain experience. The Rangers transfer dealings have been nothing short of farcical. I have been a season ticket holder for 13 years and have never seen such a poor team.
Ian T

29 Aug 2011 21:20:59
I genuinely believe Crasig Whyte doesn't have enough money to finance a large transfer fee. He is a millionaire but not worth multi-millions. Obviously better for the takeover than we would've been. The best thing that could happen to us as a club is for someone to now buyout Whyte, therefore Whyte gets a return for his buying of the club and we get an owner with money.

GovanFR

Nobody else wanted to buy Rangers, and nobody will want anything to do with them till the tax case is resolved. If they lose Whyte will take them into administration and under the terms of the takeover will be paid the £18M+ of debt the club owes him from the sale of assets owned by the club. That was part of the deal to protect his investment when he took over. He has already gone on record and said administration would be a possibility if they lost the tax case, which I think they will.

Do you think someone else would buy though?

I tried to warn you GovanFR

Atheist

Atheist good to hear from you lol. I am glad he bought the club because we are in a better position now that we would be if SDM was still the owner. My point is I hope he is not the long term owner because he has very little capital to inject into the club.

GovanFR

Yeah GovanFR, you too lol. Hadn't been on for a while then noticed your post. CW has allowed Rangers to sign and re-sign a few players and maybe slap a bit of paint around Ibrox. Something that clearly wasn't happening under SDM. But I can't help thinking it's just a stay of execution. The big test, as it was always going to be, will be if/when the big tax case hits.

IF the tax-case hits he will put us into administration, no doubt in my mind. It will be a while until we reach the end of the HMRC saga, if they fine us then Whyte has said we will appeal which will take at least a year to resolve. If we get away with it then I expect a new buyer within a year or two.

GovanFR

Who would that new buyer be? Remember how long it took SDM to find a buyer and that was the mysterious Mr Whyte. The only other 'player' that we know about is Ellis, who is still hiding in the shadows. Who else? A fans consortium maybe? In the meantime, CW is balancing the books (nothing wrong with that) but he has to manage the fans expectations better than he is doing right now.

The reason no ones wanted to buy us was the tax situation, what I'm saying is we may get another buyer once the situation is resolved.

GovanFR

29 Aug 2011 21:08:29
I dont think we should worry if Ally says we are we have not made offers , tha last time he saud that we bought 2 players within 4 hours of the television interview.
We dont need much to win the league , if we had been in Europe then we could do with a few better players.
Lets just wait and see where we are by deadline.
For those who do not trust Whyte then why not set up a petition where fans of a similar thought can go to the board and demand answers to what is going on.
But please remember we only ever get to see a small piece of what is happening on the business side so i find it hard to judge him without all the information, remember the bailiffs at the door

29 Aug 2011 20:51:35
mr whyte you better pull a rabbit out yer top hat or the fans will quickly turn on you no real money has been spent yes we got knocked out of europe but we still have a £15m league to win get your cheque book out you tight arse . yes we have signed 7 players but we need at least one of real quality to lift the fans otherwise people wont want to watch the same s**te .....bigt

29 Aug 2011 20:32:06
I have to say that even if mr tight does agree to spend some of our season ticket money, what are the chances of who ally picks being any good?

Up to now his signings have been very poor. Bocanegra is a midget centre half, win little or no pace, and absolutely no sell on fee. Goian looks ok but fragile, injured most of last season and looks like more of the same. Wallace worth £1.5m, don't think so, and has a habit of turning his back on the play as witnessed in Maribor. Bedoya looks light weight but needs a chance to prove himself, McKay yet to be seen but a28 year old internationalist that nobody has heard of does not suggest that he will be up to much.

I wonder if mr tight has ever heard the saying speculate to accumulate, what is point of buying a 32 year old on a three year contract

29 Aug 2011 20:19:07
Went to see a house tonight,£350k, I decided to take a Leaf from our distinguished owner and bid £100k, two fish suppers and a bottle of buckie, payable over 45 years. Think I will get it.

Come on you tight fisted, scrooge like clown, get the dosh out and do what you promised, the clock is ticking.

29 Aug 2011 19:39:28
ally said "judge the club's transfers at the end of the window" when we missed gw. etc ,etc , well 2 days to prove whyte is for real or if he backs ally as he said he would....nobody signs got a feeling ally will go

29 Aug 2011 19:11:57
I hope we dont sign a moody greek 2 play upfront with a moody croat, end up way the moody blues upfront.

29 Aug 2011 18:37:12
i for one would be happy to protest outside ground anytime if nobody is brought in. not wanting messi or xavi, but i wont be lied to. what happened to the money that he had out on tenders?

cuellar - 2mil
juhasz - 3.5mil
miller - 400k
verhoek - 1.5mil
goodwillie - 2.5mil

almost ten million pounds of bids yet none were succesfui. the transfer policy is bewildering - no cuellar or juhasz, (5.5 mil) instead its bartley and bocanegra

anyone agree with jim traynor that he never had the money all along and it was all for the papers? would make sense of the constant jabbering about bids in the press.

It really is about time we vented our anger. This liar has 2 days to keep his promises

Well its quite clear to. Apart from the Cuellar bid all the rest were embarrassingly below the selling clubs valuations. Whyte knew he had no chance of getting these players for the money he was offering so when he didnt get them he could say he tried. Its called a smokescreen.

Drew

He has not delivered - simple. He won't sign anybody significant and when I say that I mean BUY, we may get a loan. I am more than willing to protest but i think we need a reality check, Mayb we are saving to pay off HMRC? I have never thought craig whyte would spend millions, I actually doubt he owns rangers exclusively himself either - worrying times but we as supporters need to see investment and so far iv seen nothing to inspire me, to spend next to nothing net shows us this guy doesn't have the cash - sitting with his wee skanky blonde at the game, prob just jumped out a black hack - I mean what millionaires you know who jump in taxis? These kinda people have limos and drivers. He won't spend anythng and I think the fans need to act now and get the pressure on him, I have bad feeling about HMRC, and us going into administration. What happens then? It could be said as rangers main creditor whyte could gain control of the club for a quid and he could stabilise us and sell us once we are making a profit - he director team is full of specialists in this field. That is the good ending, if they decide to sell assets etc we could be in serious trouble

To start interest in a protest please vote agree disagree

29 Aug 2011 17:28:19
So are we all agreed if know one else is brought in before the window shuts we have been totally screwed over by mr whyte

Not looking good

Most of us were apprehensive from before the takeover was finalized but, Whyte better be prepared for hell if the last 72 hours aren't active as hell.

He should get hell the lying bar steward

29 Aug 2011 17:10:56
To all of u getting ur hopes up over tranfers, dont its graig whyte thats our chairman, the guy has done nothin but let us down, so I aint getting my hopes up that its about to change anytime soon

29 Aug 2011 16:26:41
whats with the weiss love-in?he wasnt that good for us guys,let it go

Nothing more than a badge kisser,average at best,the brain dead seem to think he was topdrawer.

29 Aug 2011 16:00:30
Whyte will either be found out in a couple of days as I have ALWAYS thought NOBODY mentions thew real conman with previous who brokered this deal for a slice of our club ELLIS a known conman in english football circles (google him) he has put nothing up (see bank security transfer info google regarding the debt shifted to his company) he has put a net after sales £1m in im so pissed off at his BS hope the protests start NOW

Protest should have taken place day Murray said he was selling club to tight, so much for murray selling club to right person

Who esle was buying us like0- no1 whyte saved us its murray who`s destroyed us-wake up

29 Aug 2011 15:45:32
Here's the thing... I hope Whyte signs a couple of GOOD players before the deadline, I really do But if he does (he wont, couple of squad fillers max) why not do it weeks ago? Before we lose the CL money, 15 MILLION of it... makes no sense at all. If there is a problem and it is in the interest of the club not to spend cash... TELL US

29 Aug 2011 14:38:54
anyone else get really mad when wylde has the ball and NEVER touches it with is right foot.

Watch when he has to turn round and square a pass he takes 2-3 tiny touches all on his left when all he needs to do is use his right.

Its the same when he tries to beat someone 1on1... he pushes it to the left and loses it everytime unless its a ball in behind and he runs on to it

Is he not left footed?

So when your writing with your writing hand and you need to restart a paragraph, do you switch hands with the pen on do you simply move your writing hand over to the beginning of the new paragraph?

The guy is left footed, maybe he feels that using his right foot will break his play...provided the delivery is good, what does it matter?

Obvs i am aware he is left footed you idiot and yes IT DOES MATTER.

You would complain if a right footplayer never used his left, you all prob say he was so one sided.

If you played football you would have a clue... obvs you need to use both feet for the 3 touches he needs to get it onto his left to side foot it hes wasted valuable secs for a through ball to beat an offside or a squared pass for a shot on goal. so yes clearly it matters

He scored a cracker of a goal with his right foot against motherwell last week stupid

If you are all one footed then all a defender needs to do is show you on to your weaker foot and push you inside where you'll eventually lose the ball.

29 Aug 2011 14:06:34
Away to falkirk in the League cup Bears, good draw me thinks... 4 in a row

Aye, it wasn't long ago that we thought Malmo and Maribor were considered good draws so i'll hold my breath.
BR

Dont care about league cup

29 Aug 2011 13:08:54
I have been a season ticket holder at Ibrox
for over 30 years and yesterday's
performance could well be the end for me,
I will have been to nearly 1500 Rangers
games, home & away, but rarely have I
witnessed such an inept display. There are people playing for Rangers just now whose skill
level and application wouldn't endear them
to a supporter of a Scottish first division
club.

Why do the people who run our football
club, both commercially and on the
football side believe that we are prepared
to accept this dross.

What does Kyle Hutton think when he
watches Edu? What does the lad Cole imagine his future at Ibrox is when he sees Broadfoot at
right back.

I am one of those supporters who did not
want the club sold to anyone, only
billionaires or charlatons buy football clubs
and we were never going to attract a
billionaire.

Rangers fans should petition the government
to have Murray's knighthood removed,the damge his stewardship did to our club is unforgiveable,
not just the debt but the disgusting union jack wrapped brand he developed for us. Rangers fans should watch 'Tai Tims' on youtube to see how far behind celtic we are in having a positive
global image.

I will always love Rangers but something has died inside me in recent years.

Good post, I agree with everything you say,It's been stated that our club is to be run like a buisness, if so then a buisness selling a poor product would not last long and fold.
Football is about entertainment for me and I love nothing better than seeing great football, I have supported our club for over 27 years and spent a fortune.
It may well be a crossroads for myself also as i have more sense than to follow blindly a club that treats it's fans as mugs. To all the diehards who give me pelters ask yourself this, If you paid for Heinze beans and were always told to accept value range for the same price with the chance it would taste better would you accept?
I love my club but it is not being handled the way it deserves to be. I don't want to accumulate large debts againbut this current team is dross of the highest order and you know it's true.
I paid for my season and will continue on, but the doubt is there to let it go next year and fly to Barcelona 4 times a year to be entertained.
The fans groups are quiet and need to be vocal as i'm not the only bear to feel this way.
BR

Aw dry your eyes, moaner. If something died inside you go to sandyford and get it removed.

You didnt want us sold? What would you have had then? Not one single singing and a massive fire sale would have happened if we werent so thats a pretty stupid thing to say firstly.

In terms of performance I would agree we were very poor. Its not Allys fault the only choice he has just now is youngsters and poor players like edu and broadfoot. Lets see how we are after the window closes and injuries are repaired then hit the panic button if wer still pish

Get a grip man.

Not one single signing? You have been listening to Chick Young and those other merchants of doom who have spent the past 3 years trying to bury Rangers. We had no money? Couldn't sign players? you are having a laugh, how much did Walgter spend during these chastened times, the answer bloody millions. the bank debt was reducing, our cost base was reducing, our income was increasing, under Lloyds Bank we were moving towards a secure future. We should have stuck with it. Rangers were never in danger of administration, do you think the bank would have allowed the multi million pound signing of Jelavik if there was even the remotest possibility of this.

By the end of last season we had reached a stage where financially we needed neither Murray nor Whyte.

We should have continued steering the course we were on, pairing down our debt, improving revenues and using our imagination to attract new investment.

Look at our expenditure this year on new players so far, we didn't need Whyte for that, based on our Chamions League income the bank would have allowed us to spend more.

We have been hoodwinked by a conspiracy to make us believe our club was on the brink of financial ruin. Rangers supporters should examine the role played by Chick Young in creating the impression that we were going to implode, he spent 3 years delivering every possible peice of negativity he could muster, none of which came true, we should ask ourselves who's words was he uttering, who was feeding the stories and why.

We were brought to a postion where we believed we needed a saviour, we didn't.

What we needed was honesty and clarity, we got neither from the club or the media.

Ive been a rangers fan my whole life im 32 and i remember far worse performances than that it was only a few year ago we went 10 games or something without a win we won 2 nil yesterday you say youve been to 1500 games so you shouldnt need told this-you never turn your back,you sing louder when we get beat,you give the players something to feed off-the thing that gets me is theres alot of fans like you,glory boys that dont know the meaning off support-you slag off everything you can think off-dont bother coming back we dont need people like you

Best post I've seen all summer agree with everything 500 pound a season ticket is way to much to watch that dross, people said team in the 80s was worse but was it 500 pound to eatch it no chance, to many people are brainwashed uon here to change it

I don't want to be offensive but if you knew the challenges I have faced to get to 1500 games you might be a bit more respectful. it is because of the blind, unchallenging niavety of fans such as you that Murray and now Whyte have got away with thier deception. Rangers are in my blood, in my soul, I care about Rangers so much that at times it hurts. Getgting beat is nothing, not winning the league is bearable but to have your club systematically destroyed to satisfy a rich man's ego (Murray now Whyte) is not acceptable. I have cheered my team continuosly since I was a child, regardless of results, but God blessed with a brain and the power of independent thought, you should try it some time it can be quite liberating.

We didnt need a saviour but an owner with an intrest aye get real we wer going down the pan club controlled by the bank-that means we sell when they want we want to buy we ask them-we needed murray out but whyte was the only buyer

Hutton isnt as good as ness

29 Aug 2011 11:35:37
Wether I go to anymore games this season depends on wether or not we make anymore signings in the next 48 hours. And before you all start, yes, I am a real fan but a real fan that has to eat and has bills and rent to pay. Not long left of the Transfer Window.

And if we sign a player your bills will bugger off will they? get real you clown if you cant afford it dont go

29 Aug 2011 07:55:12
I was at the game yesterday and was completely shocked by what I saw. I began to get really irritated by the midfield performance and started focusing on what Edu, Naismith and Davis were doing, especially in the last 30 minutes. Steven Davis can't be faulted for his performance, he was consistant and kept control of the times he had the ball. Naismith was below par, gave away the ball very easily yesterday and didn't seem in the game at all.
Edu though was the one causing the problems throughout the park. There's a number of things he does which don't suit a player in that certain position.
-always takes a second touch to control the ball.
-rarely passes into an area where a player is running to. It's either behind or directly to a player which slows down play.
-got ridiculously lazy in the last 20 minutes. He panned of any running players to the defenders or Bedoya and just stuck in that area where Aberdeen weren't playing. If Aberdeen had someone who could pick out a pass yesterday, Rangers would have been conceding for sure.
-Jogging to ball when he is clear favourite and somehow losing out
-when the ball was in the air he always expected Gioan, Broadfoot or Perry to make the headers by coming out of position.
- getting himself into trouble, quickly passing it to someone with a man right on him which results in that player being under pressure before the ball reaches him.
He's just not capable of playing in there I hope to God that Ally with a fully fit squad will get rid of this fella. It must be infuriating for Davis in that midfield with Edu and the creative plays cannot be solely expected to come from one man in your midfield.

Bit of a rant but I hope Mckay will come in and play as that midfield 'defensive cover player' which Ally can't live without, along with actually creating from the central area.
If Edu continues to play, Rangers have no hope against Celtic when it comes to the Old Firm games. Complete and utter passenger which we really could do without

Naisy got injured about 20 mins into the 1st half but carried on playing.

You need to sit down with a brown paper bag man, you quite clearly sat and searched for any faults in Edu's game, if you go and watch ANY team and analyse ANY player for 90 mins, you could pick the bones of a poor performance all day long.................. Relax and try watching the TEAM