Rangers Banter Archive August 29 2013

29 Aug 2013 22:45:31
Just a wee point! That has ironic consequences!

Fellow gers it was 50 years ago that a "great train robbery" took place and after doing some research it is quite ironic that what took place then mirrors what is happening to our club!

While I do not condone what happened it is a matter of historical fact it took place and at the time was britains biggest robbery!

I now fast forward 50 years and we have our own "great stadium robbery" taking place right now under our very own noses, back in '63 the loot was £2. 6M about £46M in today's money, very close to what has went missing in our "robbery" and when you research the gang this was done in a military fashion with "insider traders" and a leader who controlled the gang (sounds like Chico) they also had there own financial controller ( defiantly Stockbridge) and other members who could be mirrored onto today's board and executive staff!

The thing is they all got caught in the end! So that is what will happen to this gang of "great stadium robbers"

The other point I will mention is it took the original gang 30 minutes to grab their loot 118 sack of cash, I wonder how long it took our gang to amass their loot! After all the principle is the same

RR

Nice to see your social media page is being dragged down with bigotry after only a few days. Playing to the lowest denominator already? Instead of telling the guy you agreed with his sentiment but not his words why wasn't the post removed altogether? I was interested to see how you lads were getting on and right away I see that. Typical Rangers fan group then I guess. Seeing George's rant about his family and why he isn't a bigot, is he happy for his family to see him associated with calling people stuff like that? I don't expect an answer but hopefully all decent Rangers fans will now see George for what he is, and what his views actually are. This man and his 10 will lead you all up the garden path, there is no difference between them and the supporters groups that have dragged you all down to this point. Your social media page is well named, Struth would be so proud of the blatant bigotry you have allowed on there. Shameful once again and from someone who was on the Celtic page begging for sympathy.

29 Aug 2013 21:53:54
Well fellow bears!

It looks like we are about 5-7 years behind c****c in the money stakes! and by the way this board is acting it won't get any better in the near future? When will the fans realise we need to get rid of this band of "great stadium robbers" and get our house in ORDER.

There has been some really good points raised recently and by some new poster (registered) and anonymous! And while George has been the focus (and rightly so) of the protest there has been some sterling work done by the "10" so let's keep the momentum going and as a lot of posters are now realising where is the "cash, deeds and vast sums unaccounted for"

I still reckon Stockbridge and Mather are up to there knees in it and are trying desperately to get some form of kudos by delaying the AGM/EGM this is merely a sign of panic and I predict they will most defiantly fall on there own sword!

We the real supporters must keep up the pressure and FOCUS on what is happening at the club RIGHT NOW! This "great stadium robbery" has been going on for eight months and probably before that, vast and I mean VAST sums have been removed under the pretence of contractors, consultants and even more dark deep methods to justify costs, meanwhile as previously stated innocent staff members have been forced into a redundancy situation by Stockbridge and Mather to try and justify a cost reduction, it has been well documented the staffing levels have been quite high and certainly don't justify our current position, but this should have been done at the very TOP and a complete survey done on staff and costs. As you will probably agree most of the executive staff are on extortionate wages and continue to take there 30 pieces of silver, the bonus structure is beyond belief and should be scrapped while we are in financial difficulty and in the lower leagues. Then the whole Murray park quango needs a complete overhaul! That includes the first team management team and the whole youth setup!

That is my opinion and whilst I don't want to see any innocent staff member made redundant there will need to be casualties hopefully at the very top of the tree first and a complete refund of all BONUS payments made recently and wage rises to Mather and Stockbridge and co refunded to the club would do for starters

The "insider traders" who are guilty of jumping ship into the Stockbridge camp (they know who they are) you will be exposed and every rangers fan will find out about your dirty deeds!

DEMAND THE ANSWERS WE NEED:

Show us the MONEY

Show us the DEEDS

Show us the ACCOUNTS

When we get some or all of these answers then move over and let competent people into the club and get it run correctly with full viewership to the fans!

Your thoughts fellow bears

RR

The latest CF leaks show that up to Dec 2012 Rangers showed a profit of just over £7,000,000 for the year to date.

Very impressive at first glance and sure to calm down the hysteria

However at a second glance it is noted that GOODWILL and REVALUATION amount to over £20,000,000

Furthermore cash balances are negative to the tune of more than
£22,000,000 (This is funded by a loan from the holding co - the one that sold the shares, so the football club is in chronic hock to RIFC)

The loss making football club is primed cut adrift and asset stripped - Ibrox/MP/Car Park/Edmiston -
These assets then rented back to another team playing in blue at Ibrox

The club is burning through, at best, £1, 500,000 in cash every month
The overhead and the revenue streams are pretty much fixed - its almost impossible to affect the cost base without massive cuts in management, players and support staff. If that was going to happen it would have happened by now.

Rangers are a runaway train heading for the buffers at high speed.

No need to make big demands like this.
The a. i. m rules dictate this must be published. Ibrox and Murray park are assets and would form part of the bottom line value of the club.
If they are missing from accounts when they published, which I believe is end of September then there would be something to protest about

29 Aug 2013 14:46:24
there was some unsold shares
with the share issue
can the rogues in brogues release these shares to win the vote?
do they go on public sale, what's the rules?

Green can buy at 1p each, or sell to fans at 40p

Charlotte release management accounts for month jan2013, looks like she will release months to oct, so by agm we now account position.

jan2013 income £22m + £13m = £35m - spend (£10m), left £25m in bank at jan2013

so if £10m left by sept. we may see where it went

2)
Your maths are flawed

should be

£22m +£13m +£13m = £48m

You missed out this years season tickets - they are now in the bank

This of course amounts to over a million per month extra spend on your calculations

Assuming that there is genuinely £10m left in the bank, it means the club have burned through almost the full share issue funds in less than one year.

Cannot see any significant new income (of a level that would influence this kind of spend)
Cannot see any cuts in spending (of a level that would balance to existing / forecast revenue)

Heading for disaster!

29 Aug 2013 12:22:31
Can I just say to all the decent bears on here congratulating Celtic for reaching Champions League group stage. Thank You Timalloy
PS normal wind up service will be resumed shortly

Yes sorry in my cauldron of activity trying sort our club well done it was 8-1 for 3-0 add that to 4-1 KOWABUNGASheeps******s and paid for all flyers printed next 2 weeks cheers to Celtic ;_) joking well done you lot keep the coefficient up while we refund the whole of Scotlands wee teams on way home to SPFL. george

I'm not sure they really mean it Timalloy but it does seem like a nice gesture. I was hoping you'd get papped out and have a dry, boring meaningless season but things really haven't been going my way football wise of late.

29 Aug 2013 11:27:26
Well done to George. Paying for flyers out his own pocket and standing up for what is right. I still wonder what happened to the Jelavic money also? Whyte probably pocketed it. It does seem as though the fans are now wakening up from their slumber or "Everything will be alright anyway"
We need to stand up now and get the answers George stated. John Brown may have seemed excessive but, tell you one thing he spoke from he heart last year outside Ibrox
Coisty09

29 Aug 2013 12:31:55
The Jelavic money was used, along with unpaid PAYE etc, to keep the club running until the end of that season. Its a myth that whyte "pocketed" that money. If the club had folded mid-season, with all the turmoil that would have caused, it would have been obvious that it couldn't justifiably be parachuted straight into spl as a newco. There would've been no debate. So whyte was gambling on getting past the finish line of the season, then doing all the diry dealings with reagan & doncaster during close season. He achieved that even though gers didn't win the vote about spl entry. Sorry to spell this out again, but really its way past the point of kidding on that whyte "done over" rangers when in fact he saved them. I agree he's a tw#t though.

What a ridiculous thing to say. "Craig Whyte saved Rangers"

29 Aug 2013 14:18:26
@1 this is something I actually agree with. Whyte gets the blame from everyone and the media painted him as the villain. I don't think he was the cause of all this. I really think he thought he could save rangers from admin but bad results in Europe meant his gamble didn't pay off.

Eh - Whyte is an absolute lying, cheating, robbing b@stard. wtf are you boys on? Shall we see if we can get Whyte to come back to the fore and assist McColl and co? holy f**k

29 Aug 2013 17:48:59
@2 & @4 It's an indisputable fact that if Whyte had been honest and paid the £9m PAYE due on wages then gers would not have made it to end of season. I'm not trying to paint him as a good guy, just that rangers benefitted from his underhand tactics, however distasteful that may seem.

4)
Daddy bear

You have been listening to the propaganda for too long

Whyte took over Rangers in an orchestrated series of moves at the invitation of Murray

Given the business model adopted it could only end in an almighty train crash

Allys inept management just speeded things up - so quickly that some of the plans had to be ripped up and a bit improvising was needed

Whyte / Green will end up owning Ibrox/Edmiston/MP/Carpark and renting them back to a team playing in blue called Rangers - its the only possible outcome,

The spivs have the club by the short and curlies - with no Blue Knight in their right mind coming to rescue

Anticipated rental for the properties -£5m per year
Value of an asset giving that sort of long term guaranteed income - £50m+

I think the club and support are going to waken up soon to find they have been well and truly rodgered - the real irony is that it was done with the assistance and complicity of "Good Rangers Men"

Strange but to all the ODD numbers 1, 3 & 5 if White is a untold hero would he not have produced the annual accounts to prove the predicment he inherited and tried to fix?
Maybe Green and CO will also provide the overdue accounts soon to prove their financial skills and that were all worried about nothing!
Dounebear

Personally I blame Murray more than Whyte. Murray made no effort to check the credentials of Whyte and sold the club in the same way as the checkout person at poundland sells a packet of biscuits.

@1. hmmm having carefully considered your intelligent and well researched post regarding the brilliant businessman and clear saviour of Rangers I can only say to you. you are a Feluded Danny and can I please try some of the chemicals you are being kept in in Carstairs. or are yoy CW in disguise mr anonymous?. still pissing myself laughing. RTID . george

@6 that is a brilliant post mate! Well done! Maybe one day they will wake up soon.

30 Aug 2013 08:22:39
@9 George that is praise indeed from a "researcher" like yourself (what's the sources for all your, ahem, "revelations" on scribd? - all that "shocking" info that's been widely available on the internet for a long long time for anyone who cared to find it). What makes me laugh is the complete absence of any actual mechanism for change in your "plans" to raise the rabble to save the gers from the abyss. Is it just shouting loud that you think will deter these villains from their dastardly schemes (like "they'll have to listen to us because watp")? Or is it Mr McColl who you're punting on saving the day somehow? See you down the laundry mate, i've just p*shed my trousers as well.

29 Aug 2013 11:20:39
Ally still wanting to spend money as if everything in the garden is rosey. When will he wake up? Rangers are skint, they already have more than enough resources to win the next 2 divisions and he wants to blow money on has-beens. (Oops sorry to mention the garden Ally, bad memories there). Come on Ally, don't be a Patsy for the board (damn, did it again, sorry to mention Patsy).

29 Aug 2013 09:06:53
Congrats to The Celts.

Yes congats I suppose (grrrr) but it should be us.

29 Aug 2013 11:13:31
Jammy Celtic as usual against a bunch of Shepherds. Yes Congratulations - I'll fetch Cliff and he can sing it especially for you.

@1 it will never be us again, even if we ever win the league again which is a big IF we won't get to CL proper again.

Never say never. It'll be a few years granted - we need to get the club's business working, get back to the top flight, and win a couple.

I'll go out on a limb and say we'll be in the CL before 2020.

They could win it for all I care, might give them bragging rights for another forty five years. My allegiance is to rangers and always will be, none of this tosh it's good for scottish football. let's all get our club back to where it should be and George you have my support PB

No 5) "Not good for scottish football" - you mean it is NOT good for scottish football to have a representative in the CL. Only Planet Govan can come up with that one. Beam me up.

No 6 where did he say "Not good for scottish football" only in planet PARANOIA lol

7 he says none of this tosh "its good for scottish football" so from that I would take it he disagrees. Not paranoia tommy sir mm

It will never be us again, you have never been in it
Tam

Watched arsenal v fenerbache, turgid crap. celtic created more excitement in 90 minutes than will be seen at arsenal all season. the draw for the cl is just the same. celtic fans brimming over with excitement, english fans bored and saying we will qualify easily. well I wouldn't want to pay to watch that. give me celtic any time. if they qualify from that group its another few steps up the ladder and we will love it. the english four will yawn and pi%% off 20 mins before the end to avoid the traffic. unless of course the plans unravel and they get knocked out like most did last year.

29 Aug 2013 01:04:12
To all bears interested in doing something about this not talking about it and bickering over personality conflicts.

I could care less what anyone thinks of me on here

I love Rangers FC and my choice 10 days ago was Action not Apathy (good phrase for the flyers, Craig/Sandy?)

So to stick with that I am not responding to any personal s**t on here only positive action for Rangers.

I have half finished 2nd flyer that Sandy gave me some good advice on. Stick to current board and current major problems cheers Sandy.

On the flyer I have tried to be brief and outline the financial losses to date under the Green regime and asking the 3 questions it seems the majority true bears on here want answered now.
Deeds who owns the assets?
Accounts when are we seeing them
Explain where the £30million PLUS that is missing has gone.

I will detail the figures to within a few million here or there but it is £30million plus.

I hope if I can get printer in Kinning Park to do these on Thursday or Friday they will be in Craig's hands by Friday or Saturday at latest.

I will be up if I can get up and back same day can't afford more time off.

Whatever happens I will keep information and posts coming the moment I hear, on here and on Sons of Struth, that Craig was good enough to set up :-)

Here's hoping the EGM goes ahead as I know it is vital to our future to rid Rangers FC of these parasites

RFFR NO ROGUE IN BROGUES SONS OF STRUTH ACTION NOT APATHY. george

Good on you for acting when nobody else did, George, but you need to stop being so aggressive with your fellow bears, man.

I haven't seen anybody on here give you "personal s**t", we're all on the same side. I've only seen you attack long-time posters here like Baybear (who has spoken a lot of sense over the recent turbulence long before your posts here) and I don't think he deserves all the bile you're throwing his way.

People are allowed to disagree you know, that doesn't make them timmy.

No doubt you'll call me timmy now for daring to speak up.

Yes.! baybear was posting a bit before george, but george has been trying to post for the last year. and baybear did say action had to be taken, well where is he when it`s time to be counted, not standing outside ibrox handing out leaflets that`s for sure. no but george is along with people who care and give a dam. george can and always will be a bit over the top at times but I call that PASSION, passion for his team and the traditions and history behind it, so don`t come on hear trying to defend a faceless man united have never met in your life. and I can also tell you this will go on until we see a real and I mean a real run of the mill everyday honest rangers fan sitting at that boardroom table. listening, speaking and acting for the people because WE ARE THE PEOPLE.

Mate AFTER I came up for the 10 Blue Bottles meet Friday a week ago I got pelters accuse me I didn't exist I was a tim in disguise I never showed and where are the so called flyers. Ask Craig (EDs will confirm too and that's the ones posted prob loads others blocked) he watched it happen in disbelief and defended me THANKS No 2 ;-) so I agree I lost the rag but as I said I love this club and Apathy/Bickering is killing it helping these crooks

Action Not Apathy

george

@2 idont know how that united part got into my rant but it`s not meant to be there its supposed to read (faceless man that you have never met). {Ed001's Note - sorry, the swear filter was altered to stop people using the abbreviation Man U to refer to Man Utd. It is considered offensive to them due to it first originating in a song about the Munich Disaster. So we tried to keep it off the sites, though it is no longer really applicable as the Glazers floated the club under the name 'Man U'. Still, it does mean we get less text speak, as U on its own is regularly changed to YOU by the filters, and less text speak in the world has to be a good thing, at least for my sanity! I really do detest text speak.}

Fair enough George, rags can be lost from time to time. And this is not a good time for any of us. Might be more productive if you could just ignore the negatives you perceive on the boards and get on with things the way you see fit - answering specific people's comments can only lead to more bad feeling and squabbling.

29 Aug 2013 11:21:21
Ach stop all this p1**ing and moaning between you. You're like a bunch of wee lasses fighting over Malibu Barbie. George, keep it up mate - whether it helps or not who knows but its passionate and I note your out of pocket so I'd give you my boxers if you s**t yourself. And this is a Gers site therefore if you are Celtic minded don't come on and greet about comments - chances are you'll get offended just like Gers fans would going into your page.

29 Aug 2013 13:52:10
George I'm a 60 year old rangers diehard. I'm new to all this website stuff. George you have got me totally engrossed with what your doing to save our great club. I only wish I was able to stand side by sidewithyou in this fight against those who are plundering our club. my father and his father before him will be spinning in there graves with what's happening at Ibrox. keep up the fight George you have done more in a few weeks than those so called fans groups since ast February. all the best George,,, billyboy72

@7 billyboy72 you can stand side by side just come to ibrox on saturday and help hand out flyers and you be a part of it, and in the years to come your children and your childrens children will be proud to say my dad/grandad was there. make them proud of you and make future rangers fans proud of you. jeez I better stop there I was bringing a tear to my eye and a lump in my throat. WE ARE A PROUD PEOPLE NOW IT`S TIME TO BE LOUD.

OneOten@8. thank you for your kind post. it nearly brought a tear to my eye. I'd love to be there on Saturday as I'm not well enough to attend. but it gives me great hope when there are guys like yourself fighting to get rid of these c---s out of our club (sorry for swearing). WE ARE A PROUD PEOPLE.

@billyboy72 sorry to hear you` re ill m8. get well soon, and don`t worry i`ll hand some flyers out for you. WE ARE THE PEOPLE.