Rangers Banter Archive December 29 2014

 

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29 Dec 2014 18:18:19
Seen the guys below saying stuff about a protest but somebody should organise it. All we have done is wait about for somebody to do something but why don't we do it? Organise it the now the sooner the better I say and let the board look like the clowns they are by sitting in a empty stadium.

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Superlee6, Very difficult to organise and control an angry mob protesting and, remember, a lot of our fans travel a long way. It would be better to just stay away from Ibrox and that would freak them out completely. Any money our punters save could go to a local charity, to help the needy and elderly, if they so desired.
This would definitely get a reaction, whether that would be favourable, is another question.
Radical action is needed but with this board it is impossible to predict their reaction, so this would be a massive gamble and could, very easily, turn sour.

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29 Dec 2014 21:16:42
Some posters have said we should keep Clark, well I would like to see him get more matches and I know he is still young but I haven't seen anything of him so far this season that would convince me he should be kept.

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29 Dec 2014 23:03:59
The boy Clark deserves a chance in my opinion he just needs a run of games,I'm sure when we signed him from QOS he was the top goal scorer in Scotland or that division the previous season,I would definitely get shot of "chocolate feet" Templeton first and a good few others before Clark ,I think he does have what it takes to become a very good player for us in the future

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I understand it would be a big effort but i'm not seeing anyone thst wouldn't do it? How did we get from prottest planning to nicky clark lol

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Super lee06 : Rhe same way we get from any subject to another.

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29 Dec 2014 17:00:52
A lot of guys have been on here recently and have still classed McCoist as a Rangers legend but is that really what he is? It would be interesting to see how the fans perceive him after his tenure as manager. For me he isn't a legend and his lack of managerial skills have been breath taking. Why has this so called legend persisted in a transfer policy of picking players well beyond their sell by date like Miller, Boyd, Simonsen, Smith and McCulloch. Picking players like Foster who is awful even by the low standards currently at the club

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{Ed039's Note - Stewie I have said for a while that there had to be the ability to differentiate between McCoist the player and McCoist the manager, many of the McCoist backers couldnt do that and were backing him to as a manager because of his legend as a player, but if you can seperate it, he is a legendary player and goalscorer but ultimately a very poor manager)

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I feel this reputation has been tarnished among the supporters now. It's not just he was a bad manager he will dreadful and the Hibs result and performance was a testament to his years of startling mis management. This could take a few years to recover from and we could find ourselves in a similar situation to Leeds Utd.

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Absolutely agree. As a player he was a legend. They kept trying to phase him out by keeping him on the bench. put him on and he scored goals. What would he Be worth nowadays? Good poll topic Ed? Compare SuperAlly to Ronaldo and Messi.

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{Ed039's Note - Did I just read that right?)

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I am going to give the benefit of the doubt that you are on the wind up about comparing Ally to Messi or Ronaldo

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{Ed039's Note - Me too)

Mccoist is no legend he's just another spiv he will have been having a great laugh after the hibs game

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OP " i'm bored and want to post something on Rangers banter, now what will I post, I know I'll have a go at the manager that left last week just like I've been doing for the last two years " change the record, Ally has left the building and for the record some of us looked beyond the football and seen what Ally was doing to hold us together. If there's to be a protest then don't wait for someone else do it just go to Ibrox and stand outside if that's you choice and let rip.

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29 Dec 2014 18:49:12
Still don't know why super salary never just told them to poke the money he was due then sold his story to the papers or write a book surely there would be just as much cash in that option or has he been involved in thing's with the spivs over the years

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To me as a player he IS a legend you can't wipe out the goals he scored just because his time as manager didn't work out look at Greig he was a legend as a player but as a manager no but he was voted the best ever Ranger and we have a statue for him rightly so on here its Ally this and Ally that but we need to look upstairs we should have been bringing in young players vwith potential but that would have involved a transfer fee which they didn't want to pay we had lost all our young decent players when we went into liquidation no scouting system so it was older pros out of contract paying a bit more in wages but no transfer fee involved we had close to £70 mill then but where has it gone?? yes Ally was vastly overpaid but playing staff wages was down to about 35% of turnover which is better than a lot of clubs so until we get a change upstairs men who support and care about our club we will stagger along personally I did renew my season ticket lost my seat of over thirty years along with two of my friends we decided last week we won't be back not a boycott just after attending the AGM and witnessing the way Somers and his board talked down to the fans told us they didn't care about our club but what was best for them and their backers we must all stand together and try to change what is happening upstairs and hope b2015 can bring some form of joy for us

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Ally is going to get his years salary first, works his notice to keep his contractual obligations, while contracted they keep him quiet, when it expires he is free to write his story and cash in. So unfortunately we will see that Ally wants both his 15000 a week and book royalties, one thing though he is consistent lol

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Can you please explain exactly what he did to hold us together? All he has done as manager is pick up a ridiculous wage, lie to the support about this contract, sign has been players and stifle any youth development. He may have left the club but unfortunately his legacy was there for all to see on Saturday. May I suggest if u don't like the posts on here u don't read them

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Cooperboy, ally is not worthy of being mentioned in the same league as John Greig. In my lifetime nobody, as a player, has given as much to our club as he did. His place in our history will never be tarnished. On the other hand, ally gave us great memories and deserves credit for that, but any comparison with captain courageous is not worthy of consideration.

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29 Dec 2014 20:31:06
Under Greig there was no lack of desire, like this mob.I guarantee at least 8 of them from the weekend would never wear the Jersey again.We played some amazing stuff in Greigs early days too, including beating Juve at Ibrox in one of my greatest memories ever.Consistency was the problem.I wish we had him in that dressing room just now.

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Totally agree with no. 7 cooperboy

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@9 stewie, I don't know if I like the post until AFTER i've read it so don't post on here if you can't take someone disagreeing with your one post that you have. I've asked if anyone who knows or has met Ally if they really believe he would do anything to the detriment to Rangers and there have not been anyone who says they do. stewie Allys gone he was not in charge of that shambles on Saturday but still you put the blame on him which is typical, blaming the wrong people for our woes.

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Jyf, As far as I am concerned, I have no doubts that ally would not, intentionally, do anything detrimental against our club. However, what we seen on Saturday is the legacy of his poor management ability. Forget hiding behind his 'legend' status as a manager and all the failings of the board, he was pure and simply, a rubbish manager and is being commented on accordingly.

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I was not trying to compare Ally to John Greig I was trying to point out that Greig was turned on by the fans at the time because of the results on the pitch I sat through some terrible games with under 20000 inside Ibrox is easy to pick out one game we all remember the good ones Ted McMinn tearing Celtic apart in a 3-1 victory at Ibrox but their was some howlers but in time we forgot and he is now been voted the greatest ever Ranger and I don't disagree with that and I believe Ally in the future will be remembered as our greatest ever goal scorer and I don't disagree with that either but as a manager no

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@14 billyb Ally won his last game in charge 2-0 Mcdowell put out the exact same team and got nothing out of them that's not Allys fault, he even got slaughtered on here for smiling at a rugby match. Ally has left the building the mantle has passed to others let's see where this takes us but I fear the worst.

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". Greig was turned on by the fans. "
There's a revelation.

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Styab, Yes he won his last game and has had the highest %age of wins than any Rangers manager in history, but is by far the worst manager that has held that office. Yes, he did hold things together, for a while, but for that he was well and truly rewarded. However, as far as a playing unit we are at the bottom of the barrel. Forget off the field matters and concentrate on that. If you are honest, we are a dis-jointed outfit wearing the same strips with no tactical awareness, put together by a man that had a job that he could not do, who blundered on while receiving a big fat cheque every month. Yes, we must try and move on but let's not forget, one of the main reasons why we are, where we are---------amcc.

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@18 WHAAAT!!, the reason we are where we are is White, Green, ashley etc where have you been for the last 3 years.

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19] Read the post. I don't think any of the 3 you mention, picked the team or took training. Quite clearly it states ''forget off the field matters'', unless they instructed the punt from the back, no width and play players out of position.

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30 Dec 2014 15:04:58
@19 agree totally m8 billy u lost it there pal, these other bxxxxxxs have taken us here, not ally, who admittedly is a poor manager, he cannot be blamed for everything, by doing that you are handing the who ripped our club every reason to blame the manager,
Tommy

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29 Dec 2014 12:16:45
Lads can we stop hearing about charlie telfer. Offered a deal and left. He has been an unused sub for the last 3 games. Everybody can see that the midfield pairing of black and law doesn't work. The honduran kid was signed as a holding midfielder player yet as far as I can recall he has never played there. A bit like signing scott alan and playing him at right back. Give mcdowall a chance. He showing 2 positives against hibs. Hooking black and replacing aird who contrbuted nothing at half time.
Difficult times but remember.

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There were no positives from that game. McDowall picked the same players, played the same system and surprise surprise got the same result. He isn't the answer in the short or long term and the sooner he is on garden leave the better

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Agreed there were no positives and let's face it won't be any positives in coming weeks either, mccoist and co are rangers legends but sadly don't cut the managing side and have left us in a bad way, 90 per cent of that team will be struggling to find a club when new manager is appionted as who will want them

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29 Dec 2014 19:01:58
If anybody does want any of them they will have to lower their wage demands first could you imagine Black,Daly trying to get their 6 or 7k a week or whatever they get at any other club they would just laugh at them and tell them pi$$ off not 1 of them would get what they are on anywhere for that matter. I would only keep McGregor and Clark any McLeod but don't think he will be here much longer

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As far as I'm aware Black's contract is up at the end of the season so we shouldn't have to put up with him much longer. Best thing would be for him to be dropped from the squad completely along with Smith, Simonsen, Aird, Foster and McCulloch

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29 Dec 2014 11:27:15
looking at hearts revival just makes it all clear how much of an overhall our team needs, look at hearts young players and youth system then compare it to ours then you see the problem for what it is

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Hearts threw their young players into the first team and they did ok in the top league. These players also gained valuable experience in that division. A couple of decent signings in the summer and they have walked the league. Maybe we should go with some young players and sacrifice maybe scraping into the top league for another year in the championship at least then it would be trying something different

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Red white and blue- Gordon Durie took our U20s side to the Youth cup final v Hearts and won.
Correct me if I am wrong but I think the Hearts team had several players playing in that game who are currently plying their trade in the first team at Tynecastle.

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29 Dec 2014 10:04:07
Ian durrant has been told to stay away from murray park for two weeks, honestly you couldn't make this up, what the hell is going on here, if you don't want durranty there pay him off and restructure our full management & coaching team, END OF!

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That is a great idea big red, but I'm no sure the money is there right now for a new management team.

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29 Dec 2014 01:51:11
i see our board are still looking for finance desperate having offer on table from park consortium also supposedly David kings offer still on the table
i read they asked kennady but he has knocked them back as he didn't think it is financially viable proposition this board are a farce and sooner they clear out the better we all no what's coming it will be along the lines off we had other offers but we decided to accept a loan from Ashley as its best for the club more like best for the board not the team or fans even for one game I would like to see a protest from all the fans do not go inside the stadium stay out side and let the board no how we feel our stadium can hold 50, 987. if this sort of number stood outside ibrox on a match day we would make our feelings clear and would certainly get a lot Media attention this board are treating the fans like persons have no respect for us or the clubs values the board problems are now affecting the team time for us to rid our self of these money grabers once and for all

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29 Dec 2014 09:40:16
I have got to agree 100% we all need to go on sat and stand outside no one should enter the ground this is our chance to show this shower how we feel the media will be all over this but it also shows any other real Rangers men who is willing to run our great club again that they have 51.000 fans ready to back them when our club is being run properly with a new manager included we are ready

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I agree completely with both posts. I have been promoting this course of action for the last two seasons. Like many I have wrestled with the boycott issue and in the end chose to pay my season ticket as we always end up in the half way house of some supporting and some not which just proves the fans division. In the end the survival of the club is the most important issue and I feel that 4 or 5 home games on the bounce where fans turn up but do not enter the ground would send a message that the shareholding and institutional investors cannot ignore.

Some will say that this withdraws further support to the club when it needs it most. I disagree as the current controlling investors have had more than enough chances to prove how serious they are about Rangers and have failed. If the worst case is administration or liquidation and starting again then I for one would be happy to accept this and that we forced this to happen to save or cleanse our club.

In the end only serious money and/or patience and time will return our club to any where near its former status. Either way way we have to make our feelings known through a tangible protest which these directors and shareholders will feel the impact.

The club is going to need further investment and if we really want to have a say then we have to organize ourselves as a group to be able to invest quickly and significantly which allows our say to have some weight.

If we miss the opportunity again at the next insolvency event then more shame on us.

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Its time to start making the board intimadated making them scared every time they walk thru the doors at ibrox instead of them laughing at us and taking us for mugs

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29 Dec 2014 10:52:37
It's time someone looked at the books and it was made public, ok it won't happen but maybe the situation is not as perilous as we are meant to believe.
Everyone has assumed this, so all we hear is red alert warnings but we don't know, other than figures plucked from the air.

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29 Dec 2014 12:00:33
Rangers fans demand success, that's not the same as thinking we have a divine right to it. The size of the club and it's successful history will always mean the fans demand success, the same goes for Celtic, when you hit a barren spell it's all the harder to take because of the success you used to enjoy, fans are obviously more realistic now because of circumstances, we demand success, what's wrong with that when you support a club as large and successful as ours.
Of course that is why over the years not too many young players at the one time have been included in the team because every match is a must win and the team and fans demand that.

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29 Dec 2014 13:57:10
Ive said I would not be back at Ibrox until there was major changes from top to bottom but if such a show of strength and unity could be organised with tens of thousands of bears on the streets and in the car park and no one in the stadium, would definitely travel up for such an event and be proud to stand with fellow sufferers, I hope someone with a bit of sway with us fans can make this happen.

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Soton bear, absolutely spot on post mate, I've wondered why that hasn't been done yet, I would come up for that in a shot, a ring of fans around Ibrox that's what you call a protest.

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29 Dec 2014 16:59:44
this defiantly needs to be organized by the supporters but how do we go about doing this that is the question it has got to be on a match day as should be no problem with police ect as they will be there for the match wonder if easdale somers ect would then walk threw front door that day let them sit in a empty stadium inside the directors box they would look like clowns and investors would not be happy

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29 Dec 2014 18:15:49
This would be great if it could be implemented, we had an estimated 200,000 in Manchester for what was merely a jolly up as most never had tickets for the final, this is far more important than that day we're talking the survival of our great club here, and with that in mind and the power of the Internet, put out there by someone who knows how this works then 50 60 thousand should be achievable if not shame on all those who just wanted a day in the Manchester sun.

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Have you any good contacts ed, or maybe someone from the Rangers banter family could start gathering support through Facebook etc, I'm useless with computers but I will guarantee at least 95% of our supporters club members would be up for a positive protest, there's a few decent posters on this site who speak intelligently.

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{Ed039's Note - Contact Sons of Struth, contact details can be found on google or on facebook, they quite often put things up on their page, the problem being you then have UoF and other fans representatives and fans decide themselves who they follow and the support is split depending on what their respective "voice" has planned at that particular point and the fans are split and nothing definitive follows through on it)

Yes i'm up for it we must show this board we have had enough but I think Sats game is to soon this will take time to organise let's make it happen

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Only way it would bother Easdale and co is if they can't get to their cars after the match. come to think of it that's what to do surround their cars week in week out then they'll soon listen to the fans.

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30 Dec 2014 05:02:28
Ed the union of fans or sos or whichever other supporters group out there can't be seen as this is there chance to shine here this is all about the fans here the punters who have had enough we need these supporters groups to join us on this we need 50.000 supporters to turn up outside ibrox and not enter the stadium and most of all it needs to be a peaceful protest to show this board that we as fans have had enough I for 1 would back these supporters groups if they could just join together on this

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28 Dec 2014 21:42:32
Just got back from Tenerife, watched the Hibs game in a pub with about ten other Rangers fans in it, and I can tell you if black or foster had walked in to that pub they would have been dragged out and thrown to the bulls, I can honestly say that over the Years I've seen some players take pelters, but have never felt or heard the hatred shown to those two ever, McDowell take note.

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Amazes me that the fans pick on black every game when his midfield partner ducks off n goes missing. yet to see law even attempt a tackle. we lose every game in the midfield battle because law disappears.

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Surely you are not defending the pseudo hard man Ian Black? At least Law chips in with some goals. Other than crying to the referee when someone kicks him, what exactly does Black bring to the party?

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Im no black fan but he was taken off early against hibs and did the team look any better?

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29 Dec 2014 11:41:49
Agree, Law can be a good attaking force for us, but when he goes out a game, he goes right out and tackling and physical stuff are not in his repertoire.

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Black was substituted v Hibs as he was on a yellow card, but what are the options - play Peralta alongside Law?

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